Portland Trail Blazers 2010-11 Season Review: Ben and Dave Go Stream of Consciousness
With the season now in the rear view mirror Ben and I sat down and reflected on its developments, our impressions of how the team was affected by the campaign, and a little bit about where the Blazers go from here.
Dave: 2010-11 is history. What are the most significant and/or interesting developments to come out of the season? What themes shaped the course of the year and perhaps Portland's future?
Ben: The 2010-2011 season will go in the books for four things: The absence of Greg Oden, the disintegration of Brandon Roy, the emergence of an All-Star caliber LaMarcus Aldridge and the acquisition of Gerald Wallace.
Unfortunately, I take those to be two major steps back and two solid, but not necessarily equally major, steps forward. The net result is a minor retreat basketball-wise and a major increase in uncertainty going forward. A foundation that had been carefully and thoughtfully constructed by the previous regime simply hasn't stood the test of time. It's not without hope or the potential to recover, but the future appears tenuous in a way that it didn't two years ago or even last year.
The absence of Oden weighed on everyone in indirect ways. The ability to use his absence as a rallying cry faded as his time away from the court increased. He became, as Yahoo! writer Eric Freeman put it, like something of a ghost. Jeff Pendergraph went down to injury. Joel Przybilla was limited and then traded. A cycle of reserve big men were given chances. Marcus Camby went down with injury. The burden simply became too much. His absence and its repercussions became a distraction, through no fault of his own. Aldridge had to take on double duty, Camby had to play heavy minutes, the Blazers had to use unconventional lineups, and it all added up.
The disintegration of Roy and the emergence of Aldridge were linked in many ways, and have been written about at length. Looking back with the benefit of hindsight, the Roy situation is even more depressing than it was when it was playing out. As early as preseason, it was clear something wasn't right. His effort level did not appear to be there, his physical talent had diminished, his consistency wasn't what we had come to expect from him. I will be the first to admit that denial in the media was there in full force, especially early. This is the best basketball player I've seen perform regularly in person in my life. He'd proven so many things so often that the trust level and respect factor couldn't have been higher. To watch the symptoms mount, the public statements accumulate, the pained expressions post-game, the confusion about his own body, the near tears during the announcement to undergo multiple surgeries, the expressed hopelessness at what the surgeries might be able to do for him. That was all tough. All of that made Game 4 that much more special.
Aldridge, on the inverse course, saved the season. His two month run of statistical dominance was eye-popping. A stand out moment was the difference between the first time he scored 40+ and the second time. The first time he was surprised at his ability to do it. The second time he carried himself like he'd done it 100 times before. It was a leap of maturity, savvy, aggressiveness and self-confidence in such a short period of time. He changed more than any other Blazer this season. That's been written a lot of places and is 100% true. He's established in a way that he wasn't ever before. Through a lot of really, really ugly basketball this season he was the single must-watch player. When they talk about drafting for both talent and character, Aldridge is the home run example.
As for Wallace, he's the X-factor, as always, for next season's hopes. He admitted to a bit of a rough transition and disappointment following the trade after Game 6, but said during the exit interviews availability that he's looking forward to moving his family to Portland in July and having a full training camp/preseason to assimilate with the team. There are open questions about how things will shake out with Batum/Aldridge but he drastically increases the hope and excitability factors surrounding this team heading into next season. It will be interesting to see if Nate McMillan comes back with a wider variety of ways to maximize Wallace's effectiveness. Wallace's best days as a Blazers certainly remain ahead of him.
What did I miss? Where do we disagree?
Click through for Dave's response and the rest of the conversation.
Dave: Hard to argue with that. This season was like your doctor told you that you may have cancer and your mom's sick too but as you walk out of the office you get hit on by a hot girl then you win $50K on a scratch lottery ticket. Wait...what? Whiplash! How exactly am I supposed to feel here?
When it all sorts out it ends up to a net negative immediately but, guessing that Aldridge and Wallace will still be good over the next couple of seasons while Roy and Oden may or may not be as badly injured, it yet could turn into a positive. It all depends on the prognosis of two-thirds of Portland's star corps.
Since you have aptly described the chocolate and vanilla flavors of this season's ice cream case, it's left for me to add in the caramel ripple and lemon sorbet. The subtle subtexts of 2010-11 include:
--Wesley Matthews showing promise in his second season with solid defense and distance shooting. He even threw in a couple of straight-line drives as the season drew to a close. He hasn't shown the ball-handling ability to become a create-your-own-shot superstar but he's got plenty of skills and plenty of time to grow into a huge role on this team. Great pick up for the Blazers.
--Nicolas Batum showed flashes of the player insiders and pundits have coveted over the last couple of years. His play bordered on the angelic at times. The coffin corner three, the baseline drive and dunk, the finishes on the break, that astonishing turn-around jumper in the lane...his offense looked more varied and impressive this season. But again, that's just in flashes. He's clearly better--and more worthy of excitement--than any potential-laden supporting player in the current Blazer era: Webster, Outlaw, Bayless, Fernandez, anybody you care to name. But like all of them he'll be judged on what he can bring every night, not on what he brings on certain, cherry-picked outings. And he's not there yet.
--Andre Miller fit in like a glove this year. His sense of timing was impeccable. His shooting percentage rose 15 points though he took fewer shots per game and scored less. His assists were up from 5.4 to 7.0, in part due to him being the author of so many alley-oops. Rebounds stayed good, free throw percentage great, and all the per-minute numbers check out. Last year he'd take over games sporadically. This year he conducted them religiously. He quietly gave this team chances to win, letting the bigger names and young guns wear the crown while he stood behind the throne and directed.
--Rudy Fernandez provided another head-scratching season. For his first two years we praised his distance shooting but said, "If only he could find his place on the floor and especially play a little DEFENSE!" This year his hustle on defense and non-shooting creativity on offense came to the fore. He made progress in the areas people were asking for. But his shot went to hell. He shot a stunning 39.9% from the arc his rookie season, a perfectly acceptable 36.8% clip his sophomore year, but fell to a "not that shameful...if you're a low post power forward" 32.1% mark this season. Taking out Sean Marks and Armon Johnson, five Blazers shot better from the arc this season than did Rudy. As the shooting declines it's getting more difficult to think of reasons he should be on the floor.
--Portland's halfcourt offense developed a few wrinkles, notably the alley-oop and dominant offensive rebounding. They're still plagued by a lack of easy buckets in transition. Jump shooting was a staple in theory, hit and miss in practice. Dealing with screens on defense might as well be String Theory for this club despite the individual defensive talent in the rotation. Inability to win on the road against good teams remains an issue.
Feel free to add in any subtleties I missed, but also let's look at these developments as a whole. Of the four Big Issues you mentioned which will be the most significant going into the future for good or ill? How about among the more subtle developments? Which of these are the biggest deals?
Ben: Of the bigger issues, I think the biggest remains Oden. First, because we have a solid sample size of evidence on the other three: Aldridge will be an All-Star next season, Wallace will be Portland's second or third best player regardless of what happens this summer, and Roy will not be his All-Star self but he won't be a zero factor either. You're getting something from Roy and the fact that he made it through the entire stretch run and playoffs with no swelling or pain is a great sign.
With Oden, though, the spectrum of "What you can get from him" continues to be as wide as his wingspan. That takes on an exponent when you factor in his contract situation.
First, the on-court stuff. It's important to remember that the timeline for his last knee surgery was set at six months. That deadline came and went and, 11 months after the surgery, he underwent the most recent microfracture surgery. The timeline set this time around was roughly 12 months. None of the indications we've received in the first five months following the mirofracture are particularly promising. That's partly due to the fact that heaping expectations upon him doesn't do anyone any good. But it's mostly due to the fact that that's a really, really complex rehabilitation on top of a rehabilitation that was never completed. Given what's happened, rushing things would be catastrophic. For those reasons, I'm personally rather pessimistic about his ability to be an impact-maker on the court next season.
Bigger picture, you'd be OK and patient with zero production next season ... if the contract situation looms huge. Oden is correct to say that he has a ton of leverage here. If he doesn't want to be in Portland long-term, he can accept the qualifying offer, cash paychecks through a full, carefully managed rehabilitation and then have his pick of suitors next summer. If he does want to be in Portland long-term, he can very likely arrange for a lengthy and high-dollar contract extension this summer. Either options comes with a major risk factor for Portland: You either pay to play the odds that he will eventually make it back healthy or you sit on pins and needles throughout next season hoping to convince him to stick around.
Circling back, this is what I mean when I said this is the big picture issue that weighs the heaviest on Portland's future. Best-case: Oden gets through his rehab on schedule, is an impact player next season, becomes an All-Star type player for the Blazers the following season and is locked into a reasonable long-term deal this summer. Worst-case: Oden takes the qualifying offer, takes all of next season to rehabilitate and bounces town as an unrestricted free agent, leaving Portland $8.8 million dollars poorer, with egg on its face and with a 2012-2013 center rotation of Chris Johnson, Jeff Pendergraph and Shavlik Randolph. On paper, both of those pole eventualities are reasonable, and so are 20 or 30 in-between variations along the spectrum.
Still, If I'm Oden's agent I'm angling to get him the biggest possible deal this summer. The "one in hand beats two in the bush" theory. That does favor Portland because of restricted free agency but it will involve a major financial commitment. This team has already made a bunch of committments -- Roy, Aldridge, Wallace, Matthews -- so that commitment comes with a major short-term cost of lost flexibility. In other words, Portland's depth problems are going to continue as long as Oden's rehabilitation lasts.
When we turn to the subtle developments, I look at Matthews and Batum as meeting expectations at the very least. In Matthews' case, exceeding them is more accurate, although there's work to be done in filling out his offensive contributions. As for Fernandez, he has played himself into being an afterthought. I think, then, the Miller question is the biggest; In Miller, you've got questions that affect potential trades, next year's rotation and usage distribution. Big questions in all of those areas, really. The other guys, true to form, have questions that fit their role player status.
Unless there's a draft day trade, I find it very difficult to believe Miller won't be back at the starting point guard spot next season. Your summary of his season was dead on. Andre Miller had a very "Andre Miller" year -- chronically overlooked and underrated, consistently productive, made those around him better, excellent (at times hilarious) veteran leadership and perspective.
A few concerns hang. One, his spot on the bench during the playoffs to make room for Brandon Roy. It felt like one last concession from Nate McMillan that those two could not work together. Miller is a better and more important player right now than Roy but he has trade value. Roy doesn't. The temptation to "make it work" for one more season will be strong. But it will also serve as a limiting factor as we saw against Dallas. That's something to watch.
Second, obviously, is age. There's no question that the 2011 Marcus Camby was not the same player as the 2010 Marcus Camby. They looked the same, talked the same and sometimes produced the same, but the 10-20% slippage in production was a difference-maker. That will happen with Miller, perhaps as soon as next season. Given his role on the team and the lack of depth behind him, his slippage will be felt in a major way.
Dave: I agree that Oden is the biggest potential issue. The only way around that is the realization that he's been zero factor so far and may remain so depending on injuries or contract. The Blazers know they'll be dealing with Roy for good or ill. Roy may not have the potential to change this team dramatically anymore, whereas Oden still does. Still, a non-productive Roy on the court may alter chemistry and game play (read: be a bigger negative issue) more than Oden not taking the floor would.
Happier thoughts now. What was the best single moment of the season? For me it's got to be Batum's alley-oop tip against the Spurs. That moment kind of crystallized some of the themes of the year: perseverance, a little luck, Brandon Roy as decoy and not main guy, Nicolas' development, Miller's passing, motion in the halfcourt offense, and of course riotous fan support. Yours?
Ben: You nailed it. That play was by far the best moment of the season.
The last quarter of Game 4 is right there too. I can't remember the tension level at the Rose Garden being higher. The collective stress level was just agonizing. The late Terry three that could have been a dagger caused so much pain, it was almost a violent act. The lead narrowing, Roy's confidence rising, the banker. That's just a series of events that is be tattooed on everyone's mind to stay. It makes you step back and ask innocent questions again like, "If this isn't his career highlight, how awesome could the future be?"
The late-game moments are always the standouts. Monta Ellis missing a potential game-winner is one that's coming to mind quickly. Aldridge's really personal performances against the Timberwolves were great. Another one that wasn't as dramatic but was great to see -- Wesley Matthews at Rookie/Sophomore team practice, ruminating on what it would mean to be an All-Star someday.
Also, Chris Johnson's first NBA game. Nothing tops the "holy crap, I made it!" expression after that first NBA game. His down-to-earth, easy-going personality made it that much more honest and authentic.
Dave: Johnson is one of the guys people seem to take to naturally. It'll be interesting to see what kind of impact he can make on the team. He makes an impression on the court which is the first step. He's definitely one of the good things to come out of the year, almost hearkening back to a time when "good" was defined with more innocence and fewer expectations. The Blazers don't have the luxury of low expectations anymore, of course. S peaking of...
Although Batum's alley-oop was probably the single high moment of the season, the lasting visual image to me will be Brandon Roy driving the lane and getting his shot snuffed repeatedly as he was trying to acclimate himself early in the year. It encapsulated another wave of realities: Portland's need, the desperate health problems, trying to make it somewhere that wasn't really reachable, trying to hang on to hope and promise that might be slipping away...just a sense of sadness and loss without really knowing what the loss was about exactly or whether you should be feeling it. I mean, every time Brandon drove you wanted it to happen, your heart leaped out of you. But then he'd get in there and get his shot blocked after elevating half an inch off the ground and, just like the ball, you'd come crashing back to earth.
2009-10 was pretty bad just in terms of devastating injuries and the team getting its guts ripped out but 2010-11 may have been a more difficult season, if nothing else because of the false starts and sense of being in perpetual limbo. The season started with Greg Oden and Joel Pryzbilla slated to come back and everyone else on track. Then Przybilla failed to materialize. Then the tragic news about Oden's next microfracture hit. Then Brandon Roy's knee problems were pronounced chronic and his performance tanked. Would Greg ever play? Would Roy be OK? Could Przy contribute at all? The team limped along then Aldridge saved their bacon as the year turned. Then the Wallace trade happened and everyone went bonkers. Then the Miami win came along, the San Antonio win, grabbing the 6th seed when a couple months before not making the post-season seemed a possibility. Finally the Mavericks snapped the team back to reality and now...limbo again.
It feels like an oil slick has spilled over the otherwise pure water which is this franchise and every time you dip a hand in to get a drink you come up with a non-removable film of yuck over the top.
So is there any hope that slick gets skimmed off? In the playoff series recap I said that the team was a 48-win, 6th seed and played like a 48-win, 6th seed. Should that be the expectation going forward? How much hope do you see of this franchise ever shining? Must Blazer fans be content with the Chris Johnson moments or is there more?
Ben: The Dallas series was incredibly predictable. Going forward, the expectations game is much trickier.
We sort of got at this question earlier with the Oden talk, the range of possibilities that exist for his future. The same thing goes for the team as a whole. This group is likely a playoff team next season without any major moves, but barring a big time return to form from either Oden or Roy it's difficult to see them playing far enough above their heads in a playoff series to avoid a repeat of history next season.
Longer-term, the West is wide open as the Memphis Grizzlies just reminded us. Dallas, San Antonio and Los Angeles will be taking a step back in the next two years (although L.A. will always re-tool). The Jazz and Nuggets are less formidable than they've been. Phoenix and Houston are in the rebuilding cycle. Oklahoma City is the one clear emergent power and Portland has never felt a fear factor there.
To merge these two thoughts, I guess I would maintain that expectations should remain high given the eroding competitive landscape. The difficulty of executing a full-scale rebuild and the ages of the West's traditional powers leads me to conclude it's worth hanging around, gelling, growing where possible. Does that mean I would predict a better showing next season unless there's a transformative move made? No. Depth is a big deal, too. There's significant work to be done.
As for being content with Chris Johnson moments, that's one thing that clearly separates Blazers fans from all but a few fanbases. It's sort of a "better to have loved and lost" scenario. Caring deeply enough to understand the beauty of the Chris Johnson moments is so much better and more meaningful an experience than skimming the highlights or only supporting or following a playoff winner.
Of course everyone wants more. But we've learned in the last three years that simply wanting more can't make it happen. That's our burden I guess.
Dave: The big question to me is how much you want and how much you wait. Normally if a team had lost three straight first-round series in similar fashion and for similar reasons-never even seeing a Game 7 at that-you'd start talking about major changes being needed. But this seems like a unique situation. Talent isn't the issue. A huge part of it is health. Waiting it out goes against the NBA playbook, falling strictly in the wishful thinking department. When a team loses like this repeatedly it's NOT getting better. And yet it might and there are legit reasons to think it could. I'll be incredibly curious to see what view management takes.
OK...so barring that transformative move, what exactly DO the Blazers do this summer that makes any difference?
My thoughts:
1. Pray.
2. Re-sign Oden if you can.
3. Pray some more.
Ben: Well, there's no question that the Blazers burned through a lot of minor assets this season: Bayless, Cunningham, Przybilla's contract, the pick received for Bayless, etc. Re-stocking that cupboard is very important, if not for immediate use then at sometime down the road. I think you've got to make the absolute most out of this draft even if it's a weak crop. Buy picks. Shop Rudy Fernandez hard. Shop Andre Miller hard. Shop Marcus Camby hard. Draft smart.
Still, the Oden plunge will outweigh all of those other considerations together. That's a direction-changing move for the franchise, no matter how it plays out. Assuming the new CBA has a mid-level exception and Paul Allen is still on board with running up a major payroll, using the Mid-Level Exception to target whatever ones and physical four/fives that are out there would make good sense too.
Dave: It's funny, because a couple years ago when the Blazers weren't making those moves the team suffered...no LaFrentz trade, some of the bit players staying too long, couldn't get a Gerald Wallace until too late maybe. Those could have been major mistakes. But now that the moves are made it's a new world. You're no longer looking at revolutionizing the team with hot young prospects. You're searching for the guy at #20 who has a chance to contribute. You're trying to find that Juwan Howard to give you a solid year or two then move on. But you know what? That's more normal than this team has been in a while. All good teams have to do what you describe. Nobody plays 12 guys they hope will be All-Stars someday. They choose a core of 3-4 guys, maybe go 8 deep when they hit full flower, but play around with the other pieces. It'll break Blazers fans hearts because we do tend to get attached to "our guys". It's also not as exciting reading Earl Watson and College Kid #4 on the cast list as it is speculating how good Travis Outlaw could be someday. But this is how the Blazers will have to operate if they're sticking with their big guns, which they're probably forced to do. This may be the first year where the mid-level exception (or its equivalent in the New NBA) will be as crucial as trades or maybe even the draft.
More season-oriented discussion to come. If there's something we missed or you read something you want clarification on, fill us in using the comment section.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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4,181 words.
Roughly 40% more than the 2,988 words that took me 12:30pm-11:00pm to write.
Unbelievable. And good observations all around.
Not too many surprises this year. Oden getting hurt? Not too unbelievable. LMA stepping up? I was hoping so.
The big ones:
Gerald Wallace trade. Well-played cash-in of assets by Cho.
Rudy V3. Truly the last thing I would have expected—a huge decrease in 3pt%? Playing tight D for stretches? Weird.
by prezofdeath on May 1, 2011 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ironicaly, LMA had the Baseline open 4,181 times this season
And still chose to drive to the middle or take a jump shot
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on May 2, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Oden really want to be in Portland ?
The fans and the team have a lot invested in him. Kind of unusual to have the rookie contract expiring and still waiting to see what a player can consistently do.
Among Durants appeal was the loyalty to simply resign with his team – no bidding wars.
Does Oden feel any allegiance to the Blazers ? I hope so, but, time will tell for sure.
On would hope that Portland would get a chance at a couple good seasons from Oden, if anyone does.
I didn’t notice discussion of coaching. I presume that is comming.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
Do you think the answer Oden gave to Canzano sounds like he feels loyal to the Blazers?
I believe he said something along the lines of: “It’s not up to THEM it’s up to me”. To me, this sounds as though he has already separated himself from the team. He didn’t answer with anything that was remotely POSITIVE in regards to wanting to stay.
His answer may be what his agent has told him to say…who knows.
I’m just kind of tired of the whole “hope Oden can EVER freaking play” thing.
If I was Cho, I might really try to get another big and take my chances in letting Oden G.O. Especially given the huge amt of success the Blazer’s fitness/training staff have had with him in the past.
by Natsthecat on May 2, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was a curious comment that Canzano quoted
I’d like to know what Greg meant, and what he’s thinking.
Hopefully, he meant something along the lines of, “I am getting sick of doctors telling me what to do, and I’m ready to just go out and play.”
And NOT: “The Blazers don’t own me. Just because they make a qualifying offer doesn’t mean that I have to play for them ever.”
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
I tend to skip Canzano generally,
not going to try to read too much in the quote. Ultimately actions speak louder than words, so we will have to wait and see what Greg does. I once had a signature that said the Blazers should not give up on Greg as long as Greg does not give up on the Blazers. That still makes sense to me. So, I guess I agree that the decision is up to him. I hope he plays with the Blazers. If Greg dumps the Blazers, then he earns the bust label for us.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
Should Blazers commit to Oden?
Hi guys, I am a Balzers fan from overseas (Poland), I am reading you for a long time from now and finally decided to coment as I can’t understand the approach you guys (Ben/Dave) have to the Oden situation.
Common opinion among Blazersedge writers as well as on Oregonian is that Blazers should do almost anything to keep Greg on the team, e.g offer 40 mln for 4 years. When I am reading it I am asking myself – really??
Greg has already been injured three times with roughly one season in three of playing altogether. The rehabs are very slow. What’s the chance he will stay healthy? Are there any (I am not even mentioning “common”) examples of players with similiar situation who had productive careers following such problems? The only one I remember is Grant Hill, who is a different example as he played for quite a few seasons before injuries got him.
I also don’t buy the argument “we could not stand seeing Oden get healthy and fit in other team”. As I wrote above, most likely it will not happen and even if it will what is the chance it would have happened here? There is too many expectations on Greg in this city, he will always be under enormous pressure which itself may prevent him from staying healthy. This may sound strange but psychological element has anormous influence on your health.
Canzano (forgive me if that was someone else) writes that if there is 1-20 chance of Greg staying healthy the Blazers should take it. I believe that’s exactly the chance there is. Should we take it? I doubt it. Committing 40 mln in four years, having in mind Roy’s contract and new CBA coming with this chance of success isn’t quite promising, is it (unless of course Paul Allen plans to go far beyond the cap)? To me it’s more about feelings than business and common sense and if you want to build a successful franchise you should not allow feelings to mess up your reasoning. It;s also sounds more like a dream of championship (which addition of healthy GO could in a few years provide) but still it’s only a dream.
I belive we have very good assets here we should build around (LMA, Batum, Matthews, Wallace). Committing long term to Greg doesn’t help doing it.
by Behemot on May 2, 2011 1:56 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I think they think they have to
I’m with you — this chapter should be done. But the franchise seems locked into making the Oden pick work (as they were locked into proving they could outdo the Jordan curse, and did so by making the exact same mistake, drafting the second-best player because they already had an almost-great wingman.) For whatever reason they signed Roy to a max deal after it was clear in the Phoenix playoff series he was seriously hurting. I dunno if he had compromising pictures of the management staff or what. But, barring an amnesty clause, they’re stuck with that contract for years. And so they feel like they have to make the Oden pick justifiable. The time has long since come to admit they boned it, both with Oden and with Roy’s contract. But doing so would be tantamount to saying “we have no chance for the next four years, and after that our only chance is sinking far enough to hope for a top lottery pick and the chance not to blow it again.” If that take sounds awfully dark, it’s certainly not what anyone in Blazer management is paid to tell Paul Allen, and so the fantasy of Oden or Roy transforming into keystones will continue. Those two players are locked at the hip, and one of them has an untradeable contract..
I am actually more concerned with Oden's desire to be here
than his health. I think the 1 in 20 is pure, arbitrary hot air.
Microfracture has an excellent success rate, knee number one is aparently fine, and number two should be also.
Zach Randolph had MF, how’s his knee doing ?
But if Greg has his heart on playing elsewhere, in a year he can do so. Might as well pose the question now with a multi year contract: Do you want to play with the team that bet on you, Greg ? We saved a place for you, and have been waiting for your return. Do not be distracted by the “bust” blowbags.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
agree, figure out if oden wants to stay.
if he definitely wants out, cut the chord.
if he’s on the fence or definitely wants to stay, see what we can do…
Apples and Oranges
Randolph had one MF procedure without complications. Oden has had multiple, plus a broken kneecap.
I think you also have to look at the manner in which the injuries occurred (getting up from the couch, going for a run of the mill rebound). Imo the guy is just fragile. This is not the person you want to rely on to provide the “beef” in the post that so many have been clamoring for.
And Randolphs game doesn’t rely on athleticism.He barley jumps on his shots,but with his great footwork and hands he is able to fake out the defender and still get the clean look.He isn’t really a good defender.
by defense_first on May 2, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah Zach has some skills, always a nose for the ball
Greg has always been a ‘project’ from my perspective.
I really was a ‘draft kevin durant’ fan. Just hoping for the best.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
I hate having buyer's remorse, but...
Seeing Durant on his post game interview after the loss to Memphis, I couldn’t help feeling a little regret. He looked mortally wounded they lost. This guy has such a competitive fire. Oden, on the other hand, is just depressed at the moment.
someone's gotta ask about patty
patty mills? a glue guy, cheap, spark plug, could get a little better over time?
armon johnson? a wait and see guy with a lot of upside?
elliot williams? scheduled to return, big upside but no nba burn thus far. his surgeries were more corrective than injury caused.
by extraneous solutions on May 2, 2011 2:02 AM PDT reply actions
Those guys could help with the depth issue briefly touched in the exchange if they play/improve steadily
Which was abysmal at times this year. So could guys like Chris Johnson if he gets regular burn for the big man rotation. But it’s not very likely the Blazers can rely on those players to completely put the team on a different trajectory deep into the playoffs. That still hinges on the future of Roy, Oden, and any more Wallace-calibre additions. And that addition alone while certainly a very nice deal has depleted some resources as Ben pointed out, so an even more in-his-prime guy would cost more of that including some young rotation guys.
The 3rds.
All three of these guys are/would be 3rd stringers on this team, so real question is: What do you want from a 3rd stringer?
1) Health. That’s the big one. These guys have to be able to stay well so that when their number is called in an emergency, they can answer.
2) Physicality. One of the roles of the end-of-the-bench player is to rock the opponent with some hard fouls. Next time we play Jason Terry, one of these guards should be called on to put him on his butt.
3) Growth. If these guys are not progressing in any direction, they’ll be exchanged for the younger, cheaper, option. There’s no reason to watch a player’s salary increase while his production has leveled off.
Considering these three criteria, each of the 3rd stringers falls short in one area or another. Mills lacks physicality; Williams has been hurt since Draft Day; and Armon’s growth curve has tapered off. That’s not to say that Mills won’t grow a pair, Williams can’t stay healthy, or Armon is permanently TO prone. On the contrary, these are all human beings in peak physical condition, capable of great strides overnight. It’s going to be up to Cho to figure out which of them deserves the +/- 3 minutes per game.
My vote, of course, is Armon. He’s big and tough for a PG, and has stayed healthy. Enough time in the league, and he’ll clean up his passing. He won’t be playing against Curry and Calderon every night either.
Stealth > Wealth
who gets moved
normally you want a full minutes starter, a solid backup, and a third string guy in development for each position, correct?
the way i see it we have only two full minutes starters going forward, LMA & Gerald
(miller and camby minutes should start being reduced if you don’t wanna kill them)
batum, wesley, and roy are sorta in between starting and backup for different reasons
batum is shy, wesley can’t create yet, roy…well
everyone else is sorta third string. so, who stays, who goes, and more importantly what are you wanting first? backup power forward? backup point? center situation more complicated obviously.
by extraneous solutions on May 2, 2011 2:20 AM PDT reply actions
haha i just looked at the mock draft
and we have a power forward and point, both look good. of course that’s a ways away
by extraneous solutions on May 2, 2011 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
No mention at all about Batum's 3 point shooting?
Nic took more threes than ever but regressed badly this season in terms of making 3 point attempts (09/10 40.9% —> 10/11 34.5%). For long stages, Rudy and Nic were in slumps…it almost felt like a season-long slump for both of them.
I'd like to read the headline "Blazers spend big money on shooting and dribbling coach to work with individual players" this summer
There are at least 5 guys on the roster who would be that much more dangerous if they could create their own shot off the dribble and/or had better ballhandling with both hands. There is also a guy who could teach them: Roy.
by Norsktroll on May 2, 2011 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agree and rec.
Wonder if there is any chance Roy would be interested in doing this?
Does Roy like to teach? There are those who do and those who definitely do NOT!!!
A shooting coach is a fine idea, sure. Maybe George Irivine, who still lives in the Pacific Northwest.
http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Where-Are-They-Now-George-Irvine-Former-Huskies-1259205.php
Regarding handles, however, that’s a skill players either have or they don’t long before reaching the NBA. Guys like Nicolas Batum or Rudy Fernandez can’t be coached up to develop a quick first step or ability to take someone off the dribble, because they’re physically incapable of doing it at this level. By forcing a guy like Batum to take on a bigger role handling the ball, he’d become a eye-gouging turnover machine like he was for France during the 2010 FIBA World Championship.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Maybe I'm wrong, but weren't a lot of those TOs off passes?
Batum turned the ball over in Summer League too. Similarity? Both teams were primarily scrubs.
Wind back the clock to the year before when France fielded a pro team. Batum had to play PG when Tony Parker hurt his finger. The result? 2 TOs in 34 minutes to go with his 8 Asts, 6 Rebs, and 8 Pts.
Stealth > Wealth
by 500dogs on May 2, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a guy who's seen both Mickael Gelabale and Nicolas Batum play in the NBA, I hate to ...
inform y’all that the former — who was merely a run-of-the-mill role player during his time with the Seattle SuperSonics — was a better ball handler and distributor than Batum. That continued to be the case last year for France during the 2010 FIBA World Championship.
So yeah, that’s a huge red flag for Batum when a garden-variety backup at the NBA level — who’s since returned to play overseas — has smoother handles and sharper court vision than him.
Oh, and back in the early-2000s when Boris Diaw was first making a name for himself in France, he was considered a much, much superior ball handler and more deft passer as a prospect than Batum was a few years later.
http://www.nba.com/draft2003/profiles/DiawRiffiodBoris.html
That’s carried on through recent times, too, as Diaw got put into a point forward role on the French national basketball team — for whom he led the team in assists — last year out of necessity.
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/team/p/eid/4728/rid//sid/4728/tid/282/profile.html
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
you are extremely incorrect
in comparing JellyBelly with Batum.
This season, Batum had a major drop off in “hands rating” (82games.com), dropping from a 17+ to a 12+. Jellyball was at a 9+ his last season in Seattle – far inferior.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Even so, I quite frankly wouldn't want either dude facilitating an offense in the NBA.
Give me Andre Iguodala, whose “Hands Rating” blows Nicolas Batum — as well as Mickael Gelabale — out of the water.
http://www.82games.com/1011/10PHI6.HTM
The same thing applies to “Passing Rating” and, more importantly, assists per 48 minutes. I mean, heck, Iguodala just obliterates, decimates, and annihilates Batum in those areas.
It just makes me shake my head in chagrin knowing that some foolish folks out there crazily deify Batum and his laughably overrated skill set. That’s out-‘n’-out maddening, really.
Whatever, though, for to each their own, even if “their own” is kooky beyond belief.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
No one is going to give you Andre Iguodala.
This team has who they have, and they could do a lot worse than Batum, who is still young and developing. Maybe in 5 years, when Batum is Iggy’s age, he won’t be so “laughably overrated”.
I’ll keep my kooky faith that Batum will continue to develop and earn his place on this team, rather than selling him short by comparing him to All Stars 5 years his senior (who make 6 times as much dough). That’s like comparing Wesley Matthews to Dwayne Wade.
Stealth > Wealth
Different players....
same result….over and over and over….why? That is the question….
silent observer....
It would be time, but like any other international star under contract he won't come with a lockout looming. I'm hoping for 2012.
Emerging stars, like Freeland (and Rudy) want to be starters;
Why go to teams with established stars at those positions, even if it is the NBA? While I know many come over, Rudy’s experience will influence some future players. What young guy wants to give up stardom for 10 minutes off the bench?
Let's list the established stars we have at the 4/5 position:
1. Lamarcus Aldridge
2. ……
3. ……
If Freeland can play it seems like we would have minutes for him. After all, Camby is getting older and Chris Johnson isn’t going to be a big minute guy, even if he has an increased role. I know anyone coming over will want to wait out the labor issues though.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I think Rudy's experience will influence other European players.
Rudy was a star, a starter on a national championship team; I don’t know if he was considered the MVP of the team. Not only did he lose millions of dollars to play in the NBA, he is only marginally contributing. Financially and psychologically, I think these are tough blows for any young man with a big ego. Maybe Freeland would be happy playing back-up and hoping to get a bigger chance some day.
Hopefully (although I’m not optimistic) the NBA will stop treating international professional players (with multiple years experience) the same way as USA college amateurs. While they may still be included in the draft, they should be treated as free agents in negotiating a contract. That, I think, would lure many more of the best international players to the NBA.
have to keep the draft and the rookie scale for internationals.
if international players were allowed to skip the draft, the best ones would all be playing for the lakers and knicks.
if you had the draft but no rookie scale, they could hold out coming to the nba until they got drastically overpaid.
what you would need to do is relax the rule that limits what teams are allowed to spend on buyouts to foreign teams. i think it’s something like a $500k limit. that’s what makes it such a raw deal for the top talent since they are forced to cover their own buyouts after that.
if teams were allowed to pay buyouts in full, a top international player would be fine at the upper end of the rookie scale of $3-5M/yr (assuming they’re drafted high).
The NBA ought to up the buyout limit to $3 million, which is the same amount of cash ...
considerations that a team can include in a trade. Since both types of moves are transactions, I see no reason why buyouts for foreigners whose draft rights are owned is just 1/6th the amount of money that’s allowed in trades.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
by AK1984 on May 2, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Changing the buy out limit is a good idea;
Treating them as free agents (but still subject to the draft) would still put the burden on the team to scout properly. They can see a lot more of international players than college players in competition against other professionals, and if they overpay it just hurts the team’s cap position (just as it would with a NBA free agent).
Foreign players should still go through the draft process like domestic players, for ...
otherwise it’d be like the free-for-all that is international baseball scouting in Latin countries.
The only change that should be made is raising the amount a NBA franchise can subsidize a player’s buyout with his European club from $500,000 to $3,000,000.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Hell yeah.
Why not? LMA and Freeland could make a solid starting PF/C tandem. Bring Camby/Johnson off the bench.
Shame about the CBA though.
Stealth > Wealth
who knows..maybe the NBA will learn from what is going on with the NFL and decide they want to negotiate quickly.
Stern says the looming lock out is starting to affect ad $$ and on the player side…there are probably a decent amt of players who would rather not see a lock out.
why would he come to a team that doesnt
know how to run or use big men?
silent observer....
yeah
Because we never get LMA the ball in the post…and who wants to play in the NBA anyway? It’s not like it’s the best basketball league in the world or anything.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on May 2, 2011 9:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A rich big fish in a little pond...
is still a big fish in a little pond.
Every player worth a hoot wants to challenge themselves against the best of the best, even if it means a pay cut.
Stealth > Wealth
Until we deal with the reason..........
Dre was on the bench the entire fourth quarter while Roy stumbled away the season, we’ll never see the team’s full potential. And that reason is a coach with no imagination and very poor powers of observation. I’m hoping we only resigned Nat to tide us over until Carlisle is available…….some of his coments while in Portland sounded like job interview.
We must endeavor to persevere.
Carlisle's comments did sound interviewish!!
But Carlisle made some questionable moves with player rotations during the playoffs also. Just read the Mav’s blog site during the games they lost….playing JJ Barea way too much , taking Sean Marrion out when he was hot…I’m sure there are other examples.
But hey…he may be better than Nate in the playoffs.
The Starting Point
We took a step backward concerning Roy and Oden, but in fact, in the pickup of Matthews and Wallace, we also began the process of building the future team based on a different model than the one we pursued for the last 4 or 5 years. And this is, in my book, the most important fact to come out of this season. The concept of “Roy’s team” is no longer relevant, and the key facts of our last two pickups is that Matthews did not cost the Blazers any talent, and Wallace gave us an extra player at the 3 spot that gives Cho a valuable trading chip downstream to improve another position. Low draft picks are not the answer, as they rarely do anything more than provide a second or third team player, but as we’ve seen with Matthews and Wallace, we can get talent in the free agent market and through trades, and this is where the focus will lie going forward. I know we will debate the Aldridge, Wallace, Batum, Matthews core and any trade involving one of them, but we have greater needs than having an extra wing, however good, and this is where our focus will be.
As a part of this, we will have to confront the Roy/Oden issues in that you cannot build championship teams around unreliable and often injured players. Particularly in Basketball where the rosters are so small. If Cho opts to cut bait with both, or one, I wouldn’t complain. We are, after all, starting with a top 10 team of the 30 franchises and a solid core. And this was done without Roy, for all practical purposes, without Oden or Pryzbilla, and with a part time center in Camby. If these players were not here in the future, we’d still be the same team we saw this year – so that is the starting point.
Consider trades for Batum
Wait for his stock to be high then consider moving him for a starter at a position where you need it. PG, for example. Wallace holds down the 3 spot.
Unless Roy returns at pretty full strength, I'hope they consider replacing Mathews with Batum.
I am of the hope that with more consistent scoring opportunities at the “big guard” position he will eventually develop into a reliable scorer. He certainly has a better mid-range game/shot than the available others.
Tonight on Courtside
Mike, Wheels and ‘Tone were talking with Quick and Jason re-emphasized that Cho is high on Batum and sees Nic as part of the team’s core, going forward. They also spoke about how Batum’s French National team (les Bleus) uses him more in a ball-handling role, and how this could be his future in the NBA (point forward)
Quick said that all great teams are 2 deep at every position, so Wallace and Batum is a good problem to have
They also spoke about how the team really needs a real backup PG (i.e. not another rookie) and how Patty wasn’t that guy. JQ also felt that Rudy was the player who was most likely to not be on the roster next season (we’ve been down this road, before…)
Later they showed some excerpts of Cho’s interview with the media and Rich mentioned that the roster wasn’t exactly balanced and the team is heavy at the wing positions and thin in the front court, depending on Oden’s status.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
X Factor
Media code for can’t trust him. Where was this guy for five games?
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on May 2, 2011 6:59 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm guessing
That McMillan hasn’t integrated Wallace yet. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have but I didn’t see any plays called for him. Along with that I think Gerald was being to deferential until it was too late.
by JeffePortland on May 2, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Gerald was asked this question...
He said something to the effect that in the past if he wasn’t scoring he would shoot himself out of it, being that he was the #1 option. I think you could take this a couple of ways. One would be that plays aren’t being run for him, hmmm. or you could see it as a natural result of having a superior option (Aldridge) and that Wallace needs to learn different ways of getting himself involved.
Aldridge
It’s too bad the playoffs don’t start a month before the all star game.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on May 2, 2011 7:06 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
In my opinion. the position of "Player number one, Portlands All Star" is still wide open
By that, i am talking about a guy who shows up every night, won’t let the team lose, can’t be kept off the All Star ballet, imposes his will on games, can be the go to guy, the guy who rallies the troops and gives them hope when things look dismal or lost….
Brandon Roy was thatr Player. If medical miracles allow, it would bne great
LMA could be. He tends to defer and maybe was exhausted at seaspns/playoffs end. If we ad any frontline depth, maybe LMA will be that guy. or maybe he will defer
Oden… Can he stay healthy?
Wallace.. Gerald has been that player with Charlotte. When Gerald came here, he tried not to get in the way. Then he realized later in the season, this team traded for him and needed him to just be Gerald. I think the Tornados and being away from family wieghed more heavily on GW Playoff time than we know. I actually pine for GW to be the All Star
Wallace.. Gerald has been that player with Charlotte. When Gerald came here, he tried not to get in the way. Then he realized later in the season, this team traded for him and needed him to just be Gerald. I think the Tornados and being away from family wieghed more heavily on GW Playoff time than we know. I actually pine for GW to be the All StarWes Matthews.. I just throw this as a huge long shot. How “Messed up” was his ankle and how did that hamper him? Wes is young and willl work hard. If he develops an outside shot that is there consistently and gets better handles..he has the work ethic and personality. Time will tell
Wallace.. Gerald has been that player with Charlotte. When Gerald came here, he tried not to get in the way. Then he realized later in the season, this team traded for him and needed him to just be Gerald. I think the Tornados and being away from family wieghed more heavily on GW Playoff time than we know. I actually pine for GW to be the All StarWes Matthews.. I just throw this as a huge long shot. How “Messed up” was his ankle and how did that hamper him? Wes is young and willl work hard. If he develops an outside shot that is there consistently and gets better handles..he has the work ethic and personality. Time will tellNic..Please surprise us! I don’t think he has the personality to be our Alpha Dawg though
Wallace.. Gerald has been that player with Charlotte. When Gerald came here, he tried not to get in the way. Then he realized later in the season, this team traded for him and needed him to just be Gerald. I think the Tornados and being away from family wieghed more heavily on GW Playoff time than we know. I actually pine for GW to be the All StarWes Matthews.. I just throw this as a huge long shot. How “Messed up” was his ankle and how did that hamper him? Wes is young and willl work hard. If he develops an outside shot that is there consistently and gets better handles..he has the work ethic and personality. Time will tellNic..Please surprise us! I don’t think he has the personality to be our Alpha Dawg thoughLike I said, i think number one is wide open. I think we need that a lot.
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
Wow, how can I edit this? I don't know what happened there
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on May 2, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Now has no K, LOL
So, I see I have good company
;-}
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on May 2, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate
We still don’t run any pick and rolls for Aldridge, pretty much says it all.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on May 2, 2011 7:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
truly sad
I’d be happy if they ran a pick and roll for anyone – and let LMA either feast off the weakside or makes his defender unable to help (like Randolph enables Memphis’ P&R with Conley & Gasol)…
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on May 2, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
right
then chris johnson comes in in game 6.. first play, pick and roll with chris johnson = dunk for chris johnson. so you know nate knows this play exists. why he doesn’t run it with aldridge (a player who is reluctant to take it inside otherwise) is a complete mystery.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on May 2, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
i remember that play with great frustration
another from late in the game – Boston @ Miami, game 1.
Boston had a little run going, and Miami needed a score. They ran a pick/roll with Wade/James, James rolled, posted the defender deep, got the pass, then dished to baseline where the help defender came from for an easy score.
That was an easy score against a very good defensive team. ARGGGHHH!!! for never seeing that kind of play ran by the Blazers against the Mavs.
Double ARGGHHH!!!! for seeing those types of plays starting to emerge right before Roy came back.
I’m not blaming Roy directly for the return to McMillan basketball, but McMillan and staff did revert to pre-LMA emergence basketball after Roy returned, and it was about that time that McMillan came out with his most frustrating comment to date – that he wanted to force his offense down the opponents throat and to hell with the defense (my paraphrase).
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on May 2, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Another one of Nate's comments, after game 2
“Nobody wants to see Brandon Roy play as much as me”
That worked out well enough in game 3—and the 4th quarter of game 4 was magic—but the long-term effects of this duo on the rest of the team simply can not be as positive as Brandon’s first 3 years were in Portland.
There’s a long time before the next game, but I’m pretty sure that Nate’s feelings re: Roy are not going to change, in the meantime. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Allen and Cho start chatting/texting about Brandon’s future
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by two4larue on May 2, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you think that play was run for chris johnson?
of course it wasn’t, he just made the effort to get to the hoop and got rewarded. i’m sure it helped that the other team didn’t even know who he was.
aldridge was doing this earlier in the season and it led to a lot of lobs. the fact that we didn’t see this in dallas was probably a combination of fatigue and defensive scouting.
when LA learns to set a decent pick
and then actually roll, maybe dre (not nate, btw) will decide to run it a few times. Dre always runs the other way when LA sets one of his wet noodle screens. Roy attempts to use them only to have LA pop out to 20 feet for a tough angled pass and more difficult jump shot.
\\oo///
Drives me crazy.
Since Przybilla and Cunningham hit the road, there hasn’t been a decent pick in Portland.
Stealth > Wealth
Oden
Please, please come back.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on May 2, 2011 7:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
It seems a long, long time ago...
…but I remember saying, and thinking before the season that this season would be a season of discovery. We were slated, before this season started, as it approached, to have a season where we thought we would be able to see a healthy Brandon, Aldridge and Oden together. Well……
The Discovery we made was really the harsh transformation of that dream. We may have Brandon, we “May” have Oden and Aldridge…but the idea that those three would be the warp core facilitating our jump to Light Speed N.B.A. success- died.
That’s the bad news.
The good news? We have talent. Aldridge is a great player. Wallace is a great player. Matthews is young, and a good player. We have Batum.
The scary part? Is what does this franchise do? The roster is unbalanced both in position, and in playing style and in age and youth. Camby and Miller are both great, great players, with skills The Blazers desperately need on the court. But both are rapidly paying a greater debt with each passing season to Father Time. Oden represents a huge enigma and professional challenge on all levels. I agree that the mere spectre, the mere chance that Oden could become healthy, could become a force and would be doing it for another franchise would be devastating to this franchise and the psyche of the fanbase. But how much do you risk, how much do you potentially sacrifice to simply hedge against this potential outcome? And ultimately? It’s going to be Odens choice. The Blazers are in the proverbial Rock and Hard Place….Hope to Secure Oden…and thus detour the possibilty of him finally being healthy and reaching some level of potential for someone else, but do it at what cost? Whichever outcome manifests has it’s own devastating risk. How devastating would it be to have Oden tied to a long term contract at a lucrative amount, only to discover that his physicallity simply will not allow him to play N.B.A. basketball for any tangible amount of time? There is no Win, Win scenario, the best is a Hope, Hope scenario.
Thus The Blazers future seems bathed in a Penumbra. I don’t think you proceed with the belief or hope that the future is about Brandon or Oden, but neither can you totally abandon either. Brandon is signed, so he’s more of a whatever will be, will be scenario, but Oden becomes a much, much more difficult situation with a much, much higher degree of risk and reward.
The Blazer management is peversely careful about defining almost every move they make now, as a team effort. So I won’t say Rich Cho has his work cut out for him. I’ll say Allen, Miller and Cho have huge challenges. There’s some grumbling about a 3rd straight year, 1st round exit. But this team is in a precarious position. The Blazers advertising trumpets Right Team, Right Direction….well that is optimistic. I love this team, but what direction we are headed? Will be the question I think next season answers….
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on May 2, 2011 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Real issues that are consistently ignored
Sorry this is long, but I don’t post often and this has been festering.
The recap was well-written and the dedication and time put in by its authors all season should be appreciated, but it’s almost word for word what I expected. True, Oden and Roy were Portland’s brightest stars two years ago (maybe even heading into this season), but that simply isn’t the case any more. For better or for worse this is Aldridge’s team now. The sooner Nate, Cho, the fans and everyone associated with this organization faces reality the better it will be.
Oden – it’s pretty simple if the organization feels he can play at a level worthy of his asking price then do everything possible to keep him. If he “potentially” could get there, let another team reap his “potential” whatever that actually is. Two substantial contracts given to injury prone players will completely cripple this franchise.
Roy – His game 4 heroics will forever be etched in Portland lore. However, my problem with Roy has nothing to do with his basketball skill-set. Roy because of his skills, contract and the way the NBA is marketed and run was Portland’s assigned star. That’s no longer the case physically, but behind closed doors it is and deep down everyone who looks at this team with objective reality is aware of it. This is a problem because of the way he’s handled his injury’s physical regression. How or more importantly why has Roy been afforded the right to be as terrible of a teammate through the media as I’ve ever seen? His constant jabs at the starting pg (not being able to shoot, too slow…) or his comments following Portland’s game 2 loss speak to the lack of accountability that runs rampant through this organization and fan base when it comes to a chosen few. Batum, is the other “can do no wrong” player of note.
There are so many positives that are being shamelessly overlooked surrounding this team, and the overwhelming negativity that exists is because no one covering Portland is ready to transition from Roy to Aldridge. A new core nucleus of Aldridge, Wallace and Batum is built to run. Certain players on this team know it (some have said it). Aldridge becoming an All-Star is gently glossed over so the focus can return to the uncertainty surrounding Roy’s future. If he regains his abilities this team will thrive, if he doesn’t they won’t. That’s simply the truth and unless Roy and/or Nate is moved it will be fact.
Finally, it baffles me why despite Andre being the most consistent player on the roster nightly, there is a select, albeit loud minority that wants him gone whenever any future scenario is presented. He’s about the 13th or 14th guy in line when assessing blame for the first round out.
by westsportsbias on May 2, 2011 10:57 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No mention of Nate's extension but
it ranks as #3 in my Blazer season bright spots. Some fans are begging for that whiner Adelman, but let us please keep his sour face off our televisions as much as possible.
#1: LMA. All star.
#2: B Roy’s miraculous comeback. This really does invigorate the franchise in ways we can’t fully understand until next season. Just knowing that dude can still do that is cause for massive sighs of relief.
I think the Wallace pickup is #4. He was awesome, but his offensive game doesn’t really complement the pieces in place. He will be much bigger as a trade piece in acquiring real perimeter talent. Cho says this team needs speed and shooting—you’re not finding that late in the first round. A deal or several is coming and I suspect Cho has seen enough to move toward a balanced roster.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 2, 2011 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
kudos to Nate for his regular season prowess and leading this team back to relevance
however, after fighting my frustration at Nate’s reliance on the isolation post and kickout for 3’s against the double teams, I reinforced my latent dissatisfaction with his coaching ability and would welcome change with open arms.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on May 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, Nate's extension rates as #3 disaster of the season for me.
Obvious difference of opinion. I would have waited till Nate dazzled us in the playoffs for the extension.
Is it the players ? Another coach could answer that question. Just another voice can help get players attention.
Just saying the right things is not enough. Communicating and getting results counts.
This was the last “one more year, give Nate another chance” for me.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
I'm not happy about the contract either, but it good lockout insurance.
As much as I think Nate has his loyalties mixed up, he isn’t the worst coach in the NBA. The possibility that a large chunk of next season will be locked out means the team needed a stopgap at the very least. Signing Nate for two years gives him a freebie next season, and secures the team for the full season after.
Still, if Cho could drum up the right guy, I’d rather have them working with our guys during the lockout (if that’s allowed). Sarge has exhausted his playbook and doesn’t look to have anything new to offer. Another two seasons of our wings standing in the corner is a nightmare scenario to me.
Stealth > Wealth
It would work if his roster could make shots.
They can’t. Perhaps there are other things Nate could try on offense, but to my eyes successful NBA teams need at least 1 knock down outside shooter on the court at all times to space the floor. The Blazers start 0 and bring 0 off the bench. Wesley has a solid % but is streaky.
Nate’s staff implemented purposeful motion this season, leading the league in lobs converted, but that sort of thing gets clogged and bogged down in the half-court unless someone can make a damn shot.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 2, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And ironically, our shooting was something I didn't foresee being a problem
We’ve always relied on it too much before.
Hopefully it’s something that returns to relative “normal” next season.
Morty
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roy turning into the 2nd coming of R. Allen would help
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on May 2, 2011 9:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's never, ever going to happen. Why that's?
It’s ’cause Ray Allen is the best pure shooter in NBA history.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I'd accept a reasonable facsimile
and I’d be generous with my reasonableness. But Ray Allen is a career .399 3pt% shooter, (.444 this season), and Roy can realistically improve on his .377 peak average from beyond the arc (done twice).
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on May 3, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
roy turning into the 2nd coming of R. Allen would help
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on May 2, 2011 9:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We're almost back to 2004
I remember hearing the Juan Dixon era team called “the gang that couldn’t shoot straight” on numerous occasions. Then James Jones and Steve Blake came along and the corner trey suddenly became one of Portland’s strengths. Until this year
I suspect that Gerald Wallace’s skills will be wasted in Nate’s system, as other Blazer wing players have realized in the past. Will Crash make it a point to complain about his role when the time comes? Something to watch for
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
so true about Wes
his % was very good, but that doesn’t mean you could count on him to knock down shots and spread the floor every night. It was feast or famine. Dude is as explosive of a cluster shooter as I’ve ever seen, but I’d just as soon take a consistent 2 to 3 every night.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Great summaries
Bummer of a season. I’m guiltily happy that I was too busy to really watch it.
In my opinion, we’ll be a above average playoff team with 2nd round ceiling unless Oden can play. He changes everything. It’s super risky to rely on him, but we wanna be GREAT and not just good. I take the chance and not regret it if he’s always injured. GOTTA TAKE THE CHANCE.
LMA became a great producer, but not a A+ level talent to run an offense through that gets everyone involved. This season showed we had talent that we always figured we had, so we’ll always be DECENT, but we need our true stars to be able to be on the court to be anything more.
I like our management team still, and that is the biggest positive asset we have right now. We can be pretty assured they are smart, clever, and with good judgment.
My thang is, if we’re content as fans and as a team to be a 50-win mediocrely-good team, then that is extremely boring. We need an Oden-level force, so all we can do is hope that we get one. Trading him for a Nene will mean we’re still good, but not great.
CHAMPIONSHIPS.
Mortimer
#20
if we’re content as fans and as a team to be a 50-win mediocrely-good team, then that is extremely boring
this^
At some point int time…yet another season will begin with the goal “we need to make it out of the first round” only to wind up in May talking about how the adversity made reaching that goal too difficult. There once was a time when Blazer head coaches (like Carlesimo and Cheeks) were canned for not reaching this modest goal, 3 years in a row)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
To me
- to me is What the Heck? I don’t have a feel for where this team is, where it is headed or what it’s gonna do. Right now I’m on hold just waiting to see what Cho does. Big big question marks involving Roy and Oden? Will they re-sign Miller? Will they ever find a PGOTF? Can they find a bench? Will they retool? Oden aside do we need to find another big or two? Are we fading into oblivion while the up and coming teams of the west send us to the lottery? Is Wallace right do we have the pieces? Flummoxed!

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