Video: Mavericks F Brian Cardinal Lays Out Blazers G Patty Mills
by Ben Golliver on Apr 25, 2011 10:39 PM PDT
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PrintJason Quick of The Oregonian reports following Game 5 that multiple members of the Portland Trail Blazers took offense to a hard screen on Blazers guard Patty Mills set in the closing seconds by Dallas Mavericks forward Brian Cardinal. The Mavericks were up 93-82 when the pick was set.
Quick quotes Blazers guard Wesley Matthews and Mills on the play...
"I know it's the playoffs and everything, but come on,'' Matthews said. "With four seconds left in the game? But that's cool. I'm not going to forget it, that's for sure.''
"I didn't see it, I didn't know anyone was there, but I was wondering why Barea was pushing the ball hard up the court,'' Mills said. "But I found out why. He set it up (with Cardinal). He set it up.''
"At that point in the game, I don't know ... I don't know if you do that when you are up that much,'' Mills said.
Here's video of the pick.
Cardinal's teammate DeShawn Stevenson came to his defense, calling the play a part of basketball.
What do you say? A fair play given that it's the playoffs? An unfair play given the time/score situation? A fair play regardless? An unfair play regardless?
Vote in the poll and explain your reasoning. Also up for discussion: do you have a problem with the Blazers players talking about this type of thing after a big loss?
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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It was bush league
and unnecessary, especially throwing the shoulder. But then again, what do we expect from a scrub like Cardinal. He got his adrenaline rush for the night I guess.
I'm such a loyal Blazers fan that even half my fantasy basketball team is injured.
by johnv59 on Apr 25, 2011 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Part of Basketball
Just as it is in baseball, there are some thing that are within the rules of the game but are poor gamesmanship. In baseball, you steal, swing for the fences on a 3-0 pitch, take out the catcher when the game is in hand and your way up, the fight is on! This will show us if the blazers are ready to take up for their man. Someone comes down the lane from Dallas, say, Terry or Barea, they get flat backed Hard. Fouls are a part of the game. Thats the part of retaliation that makes the playoffs great to watch! Go Blazers
No problem at all
The problem I have is that the blazers dont set those nasty picks.
I have a problem with batum not dunking on dirk while shoving a knee in his chest.
And to put it more into perspective..
When I have to watch these Blazers pass the ball around the arc instead of driving to the rim and DUNKING I really get problems
Yea you get called for a few offensive fouls or maybe your shot gets blocked but at least Chandler and who knows else catches a bloody nose…
Just talkin bout my problems.. ya know
It's called a flop.
If you watch the game again… Deshawn was flopping on every little bit of contact. Trust me….
LETS GO BLAZERS!!!!!
I don't think the problem is with the pick,
it’s with the TIMING of the pick.
The game was over. The Mavs were simply bringing the ball up the court to run the clock out. There is absolutely zero need for a screen to be set there, let alone a hard blind-sided screen.
It’s considered extraordinarily poor sportsmanship to even shoot the ball on a possession like that. But, to go out and set a hard screen like that, a play that could legitimately cause injury, that is the definition of Bush League.
The only positive is it may give the Blazers even more of a reason to come out with an edge on Thursday (although, if they actually needed more of a reason than an elimination game, we’re probably in a lot of trouble anyways).
Only thing is
Mavs could probably care less if they are considered bush league as long as it’s their team that goes on to round 2.
This is a series, not a game
Yes, this game was essentially over, but Cardinal (and Dallas) are setting the tone for the rest of the series. You can’t take any of these games in isolation.
Also, as Cardinal himself says, Patty opened himself up to this by pressing full-court. If he didn’t, nothing would happen. I know he’s a young guy trying to prove stuff to his coach and all, but come on: if you’re going to play hard, you can’t expect the opposition not to.
I would say that the pick itself was perhaps a tad nastier than I’d like, with the shoulder-shove, but it wasn’t violent, illegal, or completely unwarranted. As many others commented, I wish the Blazers laid some of those on some Dallas players. It’s quite amazing to see how often Barea, Kidd, and Terry can completely lose their guy on the pick, forcing the Blazers D to scramble, whereas Portland picks are often ineffective or weak. Partly this is because LMA and Camby are simply skinnier than their counterparts, but it’s also about committing to the pick, instead of itching to roll/pop.
Come on Mills if I were u I’ll run full steam at Barea afterward and lay him on his back. Don’t cried now.
huh?
Elitism - It's lonely at the top. But it's comforting to look down upon everyone at the bottom.
by thankyouforblaze on Apr 26, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
“With four seconds left in the game? But that’s cool. I’m not going to forget it, that’s for sure. – Wesley Mathews’’
Good to hear. Now maybe someone will lay on of them on their backs in game 6.
#52
That's what I'm thinking.
If the mascot had to take a hard pick to wake these guys up: good.
As far as the actual play, if you flip the script and that’s Aldridge laying out Barrea, we’d be cracking up, Ben would have made a GIF out of it, and life goes on. Patty’s teammates should have called out the pick, and Patty should have been paying more attention. Malicious or not, this is a legit play in this game.
I’m just happy to see Armon pick up the pressure on Barrea. If only he had developed that right hand and wrangled his TOs. AJ would have been a great defensive weapon in this series.
Stealth > Wealth
by 500dogs on Apr 26, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When you’re up 10 with less than 10 seconds to go? Yeah, I have a problem.
I was wondering why Armon was playing such tough defense on Barea. Now I know.
Exactly this ^^
Legal? Yes. Playoffs? I get it. But up by double digits with 10 seconds to go, it comes off the same as sucker punching someone on the playground; dirty and completely unnecessary.
Detention for both Mavs for that one.
Either that or a little after-school beat down by the big kids.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
It's called "foot, let me introduce you to neck".
It’s what I wish the blazers had.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
by ratbastird on Apr 26, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is stupid
Its basketball, regardless of how much time is on the clock or score if your point guard is being pressure and double teamed down the court, you set a screen. He should be mad at his teammates for not calling it and letting him get hit.
If you don’t want to get screened move, get off the court or don’t pressure him. Shut up and win the series instead of whining like a child to your parents.
I am a huge cavs fan also and would be saying this same thing if it was lebron screening the littlest guy on the cavs.
by ChewyFL on Apr 26, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's patty's teammates' fault for not calling the pick
but i totally understand why the blazers are pissed. barea and cardinal (the custodian- what a dumbass nickname) totally set him up and planned that. uncalled for and unsportsmanlike given the time and situation.
it’s not as if we didn’t already have enough motivation for thursday, but hopefully, this will make us show more fire.
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Apr 25, 2011 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Right, it was a clean, yet untimely pick.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
by AK1984 on Apr 25, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tend to agree, too
Although it looked like he stepped into it a little
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Patty and Nate need to be pissed at the other players
First, nobody had patty’s back to let him know it was coming.
Second, nobody ran up to Cardinal and gave him a shot. Where is our pride?
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Pride?
I don’t know if you call out pride on this one. But I wonder if there’s going to be a suspension for the move or not.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
That's not true and you know it
Come on… Aldridge, Matthews, Camby, Miller, none of those guys allow themselves to be punked. Wallace, I have to say though, has not impressed me this series. I expected more from him.
I will say this though…You’re right in that this is a series where we could really use a Sheed or Bonzi type guy…not that I would trade our guys for those guys 99% of the time, but having tough guys right now is a must.
by Eric Loftin on Apr 26, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
lol, sure, SMH
Elitism - It's lonely at the top. But it's comforting to look down upon everyone at the bottom.
by thankyouforblaze on Apr 26, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Playofffs
its the playoffs, if your mad and feel there should be retaliation you don’t do it like that, you do it during the next game and in ways you wont get tossed just fouls called……but hard fouls.
If its the regular season and mad that’s when you take the suspension. Got to be smart
I would be willing to bet that
no one was even paying much attention to the situation, as it was to the point that you’d just assume they’d casually bring the ball up the court and dribble the clock out. Not set up sneaky blind-sided picks to lay out a bench player for absolutely no reason.
If this were the 3rd quarter, then yes, you’d be right, his teammates should have called out the pick, and we’d all move on. But, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a pick in those situations, so, I don’t think you can blame the Blazers for not being ready to call one out.
Patty wasn't being casual
Like Cardinal said: if Patty didn’t press full-court, nothing would happen. I’m sure Barea would much rather “casually bring the ball up”, but you can’t be casual when someone is in your shirt. Had Patty stolen the ball (unlikely, I know), he would certainly not have dribbled out the clock. He would try to take it the other way and score, regardless of the situation. You can’t condone that and complain about the pick at the same time.
by gidons on Apr 26, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When Berea started bring the ball up
Patty was something like 5-6 feet away…Berea then turns on the jets…that is when Mills closes the gap
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on Apr 26, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Time and score shouldn't matter
And if you do find the need to lay blame, shouldn’t Mills’ teammates and Barea be above Cardinal on a blame ladder?
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 25, 2011 11:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We ran a double at the Ball Handler
It is just common basketball to free the Ball Handler. Patty’s teammates needed to have his back and let him know it was coming.
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Foul my Butt
Patty is smaller but going hard. You interpret this as leaning into it. it is actually bracing for contact.
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blazers guard Wesley Matthews sought out Cardinal after the game and had a few choice words for him at halfcourt, during which Mavericks reserve DeShawn Stevenson interjected. Matthews and Stevenson exchanged pointed expletives from about 10 feet apart before Stevenson was bear-hugged by a teammate and pushed toward the Dallas locker room.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/04/words_exchanged_and_bad_blood.html
#52
it's the NBA
elbows in, feet (mostly) set. playoff pick is a playoff pick, no matter how much time is left.
Then, I really hope that we do something similar
if presented with the same situation.
Maybe run a hard backdoor cut to the hoop, leading the defender into a hard pick, and then throw a meaningless alley-oop with 2 seconds left? Let’s see if the Mavs take exception to that, because, at this point, they have no room to complain.
If this was baseball
Cardinal would get plunked in the butt his next time up. If it were hockey, Portland would put their goon on the ice, Cardinal would “turn turtle” (as hockey fans call it) and the Mavs goon would come out to do his fighting for him.
I don’t know what the unwritten rules are in the NBA. Are there any? Did this violate one of them? And, if there are unwritten rules, can someone either spell them out or point me to a good piece of writing that does?
Wait, I know one
“No threes with a monster late lead.” That’s one, right? Any others?
by twinsbrewer on Apr 25, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy should run Barea up the court so Crash can set his timely pick and we can watch JJ flop… I mean, flail… I mean bounce around on the ground like the fish out of water that he is.
No one’s going to mess with Crash, that’s for sure.
Constantly making Daisy cry
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If this was baseball....
If this was baseball the equivalent player in the opposition lineup would be plunked OR the plunker.
The same rule essentially applies in basketball.
If the Blazers have any nuts whatsoever Jason Terry – your next game is going to come to an abrupt end.
Screens are set every play.
It’s pretty rare throughout the flow of the game that a batter gets intentionally hit by a pitch.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Not when someone does something as blatantly against the
“unwritten rules” as this.
There would be jawing if Dallas had attempted a shot there. But, a pick like that can actually hurt a player. Absolutely no reason it needed to be set. It was nothing but petty intimidation.
IMO, it’s the equivilent of putting in some random reliever to throw at a player in the 9th inning of a 12 run game. And, yes, throwing back at someone would not only be common, but, absolutely expected.
It's not even close to being on the same level as a baseball play.
Besides, NBA players can’t get even, so most of them have no-where near the type of sensitivity baseballers have. If that’s what it takes to get the Blazers excited to bang with the Mavs they lost this series before it even started.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, like, 'Ohhhhhh, THAT'S how you want it, huh ?
OK
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
Basically this is a worse version of putting up a shot with the clock off and the game clinched
If the roles were reversed and Wallace laid out Barrea with the Blazers up double digits and the clock off, the Mavs would have been just as upset.
A buzzer beater shot to rub in a blowout can't give someone a concussion
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
Look whining about this is not going to help
A technical in the first half might have been enough to get the officials attention, but once we let them getting away with Marion plowing over Roy like that without putting Nowitski on the deck is where we lost the mental edge in this game. nates Tech only showed Dallas thet they were under our skin and they just got rougher and we settled in the 4th.
We have to toughen up, foul Dirk on a shot, but foul him hard…
I really thought Wallace would bring us some toughness, and matthews for that matter, these guys just let what happened to Roy go.
Aldridge, as one of our lead players should not have to take care of his own business as he did in game 4 either…
"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)
Brian cardinal is the unluckiest man alive
Everytime he gets in incidental mishaps go on. Dre getting an eyerake, half court blind screens with no time left in a blowout, and all kinds of things.
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
You would think looking like the green giants albino fetus would of been enough bad luck to last a life time
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
by svlittle on Apr 25, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Green Giant
Looked a little like Jonas Venture, Sr.
by twinsbrewer on Apr 25, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't have any problem with it
Especially when you compare it to the other uncalled stuff we’ve been seeing in this series. If this is what “playoff basketball” is, it feels like the Blazers are undermanned for this next step in their development.
However, I don’t think this is what “playoff basketball” is. I think this is a bunch of crap. Referees seem afraid to make calls against the home team. Happened in Portland, too. When the Blazers win Game 6 (and I’m sure they will), Game 7 better be called even to give this team a chance.
I was more pissed about the form tackle marion had on Roy
And the time Haywood fouled Dirk and they called it on Batum
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
or the Wallace foul on Chandler that "knocked him over"--After a no call on the Marion/Roy thing
But we can’t complain about the refs. They’re swayed entirely by the home team in this series, Portland is going to have fight that if there’s a game 7. We’ve got to be loud for game 6.
Bigger Question:
Will this FINALLY be the burr under the saddle that gets the Blazers to fight for this series? The most disturbing aspect of the incident may be Wesley Matthews’ quote: “I know it’s the playoffs and all but…”
No.
IT’S THE PLAYOFFS. Period.
Go lay somebody out. Go grab a rebound. Go beat that team senseless. If you have to put an “Avenge Patty” label on it to make it work, so be it. Just go DO it!
—Dave
by Dave on Apr 26, 2011 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He said immediately after "I'm not going to forget it"
That sounds like intent to get even to me.
by Seven06Renault on Apr 26, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
That is just talk
Those words and $5.00 will get you a small coke at the Rose Garden
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you think that's Nate's influence?
Wanting the guys to remain civil/not chippy? Or do you think Nate’s problem is just with out of control thuggery and emotional responses, rather than strategically planned hits and mental intimidation?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
I do think Nate is over controlled and over controlling.
“Disciplline” has its place, but also its limitations.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
My thoughts as well
Since the Blazers look like a team in need of extra motivation, they just got it. Let’s see if they wallop the Mavs in Game 6 to force a deciding game 7.
I thought the aggressiveness
would have picked up with LMA after push Chandler and JJ Barea in game 4, but to no surprise, he just hid 18 feet from the basket and shot jumpers.
i have no problem with a good pick
but he obviously moved into him, which is not a pick, it’s a foul.
by extraneous solutions on Apr 26, 2011 1:06 AM PDT reply actions
Patti Mills message to his team
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma9QXd9R9u8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
by svlittle on Apr 26, 2011 3:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Problem with a hard pick? Not in the least.
There’s no reason to question a perfectly legal play between two competitors during a physical, contact sport. Claiming there is something wrong with Cardinal’s hard play is making an equal statement on Mills’ hard play. Two guys, at the end of the game, making hard plays. Neither play illegal, and Cardinal’s play was certainly not malicious. Here’s why:
Mills is clearly playing hard, trying to put some pressure on Barea during a time when it has no chance of affecting the outcome of the game. Why is he doing it? Dont know. Maybe McMillan told him to. Maybe he just wants to try and make an impression during some rare playoff playing time. Maybe he doesn’t want to appear lackadaisical. Or… maybe he’s just playing hard because that’s what you’re supposed to do when playing basketball (imagine that). Regardless of the reason, Mills isn’t particularly skilled or experienced enough yet to know that this is the set up for a hard half-court pick. Moreover, his backcourt teammate (Johnson) also isn’t very sophisticated with his on court communication and fails to warn him.
If Mills is going to play hard until the final horn, why shouldn’t Cardinal? He’s in the exact same shoes as Mills (i.e. doesn’t get much playing time in the postseason). He wants to show his coach he can contribute and what better way can a low-skilled big man show he can contribute than to set good solid hard picks? Picks that are perfectly legal, mind you.
Finally, suggesting there is some problem with Cardinal’s hard play hints at the fact that there was some underlying malice. On closer examination however, this just doesn’t make sense. You don’t score points with your coach by using your only playing opportunity to go out and commit pointless flagrant fouls. Also, think about who he fouled. What on Earth would ever motivate a Dallas player (or Dallas player under the direction of the coach) to go out and intentionally level an innocuous, no-impact player like Mills? Maybe so that Roy and Miller would get more playing time??? It just doesn’t add up.
I firmly believe that what we had here were two players, maybe each of whom lacks a certain sophistication, playing hard. Mills got the brunt of it because he was not aware of his surroundings and didn’t receive proper communication from his equally inexperienced teammate. If anything, the play only highlighted Mills’ inexperience. The play was legal. The play was good hard basketball. That’s all. Mills will learn from it and be a better player for it.
by JDX on Apr 26, 2011 4:07 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Comically bias.
You act as if there isn’t some amount of onus on the Mavs to just run the clock out and get off the court.
I bet there would be a similar reaction Barea launched a 3 at the end there. That would considered an unbelievable display of a lack of class by the Mavs. I’m pretty sure we can all agree on this.
Setting a blind sided pick while unneccesarily sprinting up the court with the ball is in the exact same class of plays, as it is the kind of play you ONLY make if you were trying to score. There is no other reason to do it, unless it was for malicious reasons.
Throw in the fact that there is a legit chance of injury on a play like this, and it goes from unsportsmanlike to flat out dirty. And, no one called out the pick, probably because no one thought that someone would do something as absurdly Bush League as setting a meaningless hard pick in the waning seconds of a double digit game.
Also, don’t give me any crap about Patty playing full-court D in the final seconds. It’s not like we were running a full court trap or anything, it was just a player picking up his man full-court and showing that he’s not just gonna stand there, he’s going to play. But, in no way was he going to steal the ball, and at no point was Barea in danger of not getting the ball across mid-court (he already had it there when the screen was set).
Just admit it was a cheap play and nothing but a pathetic attempt to have a scrub send a message. Seems about par for the course for a team full of players who complain about EVERY single call, even when it was blatantly obvious, and they have only been called for 3 fouls in an ENTIRE HALF. (Which, honestly, must be some sort of record, right?)
by thevolv on Apr 26, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Class?
It’s the play-offs. You stomp and demoralize your competition any way you can. You twist the dagger, you put them of balance.
To me the question is “was that fair?” it’s “will this spark the blazers or intimidate?” If they’re intimidated, then I do it all day long during the play-offs.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
i swear my keyboard misses keys sometimes
to me the question ISNT “was that fair”…
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
Agreed
Can’t expect Cardinal to let Patty pressure the ball like that. Message sent. If Patty plays again in the series he may very well have that in the back of his mind.
Mavs want to win the series. This kind of thing is expected. I am glad that our guys took offense though. If only they would do something about it….
There was a double coming over towards Barea, not just mills. You have to advance the ball past the mid-line in under 8 seconds or its a penalty. Barea was just doing his job. And dont complain about fouls called when it has nothing to do with the play. 3 fouls called is erroneous, and besides, you should expect that in a playoff series when a team is at home. Just the way NBA officiating works. Sad but true. The mav’s didn’t even shoot 1 free throw in the first half of game 4 in Portland. Like I said, sad reality of NBA officiating. It’s part of the reason teams fight so hard during the season for home court.
Why should the Mavs shoot free throws,
when they don’t shoot anything but jumpers?
Literally. They almost NEVER shoot shots inside the paint, unless it is on a put back.
The fact that they are EVER at the line, is unbelievable. The number of times Dirk has been “fouled” on a jumper in this series is approximately the same amount of times I’ve seen a Blazer get fouled on a jumper over the the entirety of the 87 games played this season. It’s absolutely pathetic, and the fact the refs don’t have a modicom of pride to go back, watch some game tape, and see that they are being duped by a player who CONTINUALLY does the same floppy double-clutch move on every shot… I just don’t know what to say. I swear, NBA refs have never actually taken the time to sit down and watch and NBA game. Pathetic.
And, in regards to the pick, two things:
1) it was set 3 seconds after the in bounds, so, the 8 second rule was not even close to being a concern,
2) it was set PAST the mid-court line,
3) who f’ing cares if they get an 8 second call at that point?
Sure, you can say “it’s the playoffs, and sportsmanship is thrown out the window”, but, that doesn’t change the fact that it was a pointless, cheap, and dangerous play that got the exact reaction from the players that it deserved. Hopefully, someone will “dive for a loose ball” and hit Cardinal with a flying elbow while he is on the bench, since it’s highly doubtful he ever sees the court again this season.
They over rely on jumpers, not gonna argue that. Especially in the 4th quarter of game 4. But to say they never drive is false. Dirk draws most of his fouls around the basket, not around the perimeter. And you’re being slightly hypocritical to complain about the play then say that someone should throw a flying elbow. Arguing about officiating is pointless, and you’re never gonna get a true mav’s fan to disagree with you on the validity of NBA officials after we had to sit and watch the Dwayne Wade parade of terrible calls in the 2006 finals. Officiating is always gonna be something that every team just has to deal with and overcome
I would say that it isn't around the basket unless you consider the elbow around the basket
He sure isn’t getting them inside of 5 feet
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on Apr 26, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Around the basket?
The only shots he shoots around the basket, are the twirling/flailing fadeaways he shoots. The fact that the refs fall for his flails nearly every time should make them feel embarrassed after they watch the tape. If I were a ref, and got embarrassed as badly as Dirk has embarrassed these refs in this series (and throughout his career), you better believe I would do be VERY wary of giving him the benefit of the doubt going forward. At some point, you’d think that the refs would learn that his double clutch fallaways are just the basketball equivilant of him yelling “WOLF!” every time he shoots. At some point, you’d think refs would just ignore it.
And, of course I was being hypocrytical with the flying elbow. I was just proving a point, that the only way to get back at Cardinal for his cheap play would be to attack him on the bench, the only place he ever is, unless the Mavs need someone to take a cheap shot.
You titled your post “Comically bias.” Are you finding comedy in my bias because I’m actually a Blazer fan (in which case any bias on my part would favor supporting Mills) or are you amused by bias found in sports commentary in general? No need to answer that – given that the post was my first on the site, I’ll assume that what you found funny is from the latter. That being the case, I’m sure you found your post hysterical. Now let’s talk about some fundamental flaws with the argument you’re making. I’ll list these in order as they appear in your post.
1) Distributing blame isn’t the point. Several players in combination from both teams were playing hard until the clock read 0. Onus and/or culpability isn’t an issue because there wasn’t anything illegal about the play. Mills got rocked because of the intensity of play that both teams were exhibiting. You seem to take objection to the fact that I didn’t place a measure of blame (on the occurrence of a fair and legal play, mind you) to the team that didn’t run out the clock. Last I checked though, that’s exactly what Dallas did… they ran out the clock. The 18 seconds couldn’t have gone by any faster.
2) You honestly think that Barea launching a three at the end of the game would have resulted in the same reaction as this? Really? Let me get this straight: You would bet that Barea hoisting up a three at the end of this game would’ve spawned 2 individual threads, over 200 posts, 1 video to review, posted comments from Barea explaining his actions, and several Blazers being interviewed about their feelings on it? I’ll take that bet any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Drawing an analogy between the real play that happened and the make-believe play of Barea shooting is not fair. I agree with you that if Barea shoots the ball, he is very likely doing it to score. I disagree however that Cardinal’s motivation to set a hard screen in the final seconds of a game for which his team is up by double digits is that of scoring. Like I said before, he’s probably wanting to make an impression that he is able to play hard and set good screens. Thus, the whole premise that Cardinal’s hard screen must have been malicious because it is exactly like a play in which Barea would take a shot but didn’t, is faulty.
3) Hard picks can hurt someone. People who deliver hard picks can get hurt. I completely agree with you that basketball is a game that lends itself to injury. That’s exactly why Mills and Cardinal were in there – so we’re not talking about Dirk and ‘Dre.
Saying this is “dirty” is again a suggestion that Cardinal did this out of malice. That is, with the sole intention of hurting Mills. I can hear Carlisle in the huddle right now: "Hey Barea, I want you to trick Mills into pressing you full court. Then run him into a pick at half court. Cardinal, when Mills comes up, just lay him out. Yeah! That’ll teach Patty Mills. Now we won’t have to deal with his 1 to 5 minutes a game of lackluster play that ultimately benefits us! Mahwahaha!" Gimme a break…
4) No one called out the pick because the one who should’ve done it (Johnson) didn’t do it. Whether he didn’t doit because he didn’t expect it to happen as that type of play is “bush league” and just assumed that the play unfolding before his eyes was a mirage OR whether he lacked the experience to communicate effectively, is in the eye of the beholder. I’ll go with the ‘lacking experience’ one.
5) Mills was clearly playing full court D in the final seconds. Was it a trap? No, but he was with Barea the full length of the … oh wait. You’re right. It technically wasn’t full court ‘cause he got laid out at the half court line. My bad.
Whether it was full court, a press, a double team, or a trap isn’t the point. The point is made by exactly what you stated. “… he’s not just gonna stand there, he’s going to play.” Same goes for Cardinal (and yes, I know that technically speaking, setting a pick is just standing there but my point should be taken).
6) Barea was not in danger or a half-court violation because of all the things you claim to have a problem with. Namely, “unnecessarily sprinting up the court with the ball..”
7) You’re last paragraph is kind of a generalization about your personal feelings on the Mavericks that doesn’t have any real bearing on the topic at hand. Sure, the Mavs got the calls in game 4. That’s what happens when you’re the home playoff team. That’s why home court advantage is important. That’s why a play called out on Wallace gets reviewed, is obviously inconclusive, and changed to being called out on Chandler. Calls are favored toward the home team all of the time in the playoffs. Does it affect games? Sure. Is it the sole decider of games? Never.
Speaking of bias (comical or not), your last paragraph wreaks of it. We can’t make a good fruit salad with sour grapes. As true fans of professional basketball and of our team, we should strive to be more objective.
by JDX on Apr 27, 2011 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do have a problem with the pick but the other thing
that I have a problem with is that there was no retaliation from the Blazers! They took that lying down as the always do. It sends the wrong message, it lets everyone know that we can get bullied and just be quite about it. I would have liked to see someone push Cardinal right after Mills went down, its not like a technical was going to hurt us with the game already out of reach at that point. This complaining to the media is pointless unless they are setting it up to get the Mavs back in Game 6. The Mavs aren’t tough but if we don’t come out in Game 6 and get physical with them first then that makes the Mavs tougher than us.
Losing the battle of the boards so badly was hard to watch and this takedown of Mills just highlighted the fact that we allowed Dallas to dicate the flow of the game just like in Games1 and 2. If we win Game 6 and come back to Dallas for #7, will they have learned how to win on the road?
it was lame and it was a foul.
he wasn’t set, he leaned into it and it was totally unsportsmanlike.
just because it’s the playoffs doesn’t mean it isn’t bush league.
go blazers, don’t get mad, get even!
No problem
If it was gerald wallace picking Barea at the end of one of our victories, then we’d be saying to each others, “Awesome pick. Sends an early message abotu who will win Game 6.” Play on.
by billyrybates on Apr 26, 2011 6:07 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Considering they blew a 23 point lead the other night
I can completely understand playing hard even with the game in hand. Looked like a legal screen to me.
You reap what you sow
If one team plays hard the other has to, as well, or risk injury itself. If one eases off in the final meaningless seconds, so will the other. D wouldn’t have picked hard if PDX had just let the clock run out.
That's a very smart, legal play.
You want to get a reaction from the pissed off Blazer bench, possibly getting a suspension from a key player who steps onto the floor during any sort of shoving. More teams should do this to incite opposing benches. Basketball is both physical and mental.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 8:07 AM PDT reply actions
Also, you can't blame the Mavs for being excited and eager to rub it in
after being so thoroughly humiliated on Saturday.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we can draw from it they were rubbing it in at all.
He set a pick to free up a Teammate who was being pressured intently and hard by our PG. I am more concerned our players didn’t call out to Patty to let him know it was coming.
Leaning into him? He saw patty Coming hard. You lean a little to brace for it. The other strategy is to flop when the contact from Patty comes. I did that back in the day.. LOL, a long time ago.. But, i guess that is going “Al Bundy” less the touchdowns
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well the Blazers need to employ a similar strategy to incite Chandler.
He’s a head-case just waiting to explode. Unfortunately, Joel isn’t walking through that door, much less Mr. Lucas, God rest his soul.
You have to make a jump shooting team uncomfortable and the Blazers havn’t done enough of the dirty work to win this series.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Then why not go slap LMA's mother??
She is in the stand’s , right? That would also accomplish the goal you state.
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on Apr 26, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Um.
Because it was a legal screen within the context of the game?
Why am I even responding? Sheesh.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a matter of degrees, Right?
At some point you have to draw a line and say this particular action isn’t acceptable ….such as smacking someone’s relative for instance. That being said the accepted unwritten rule is that once the games is decided and no longer being contested….you stop doing stuff that shows up the other team or could cause injury.
This was one of those times.
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on Apr 26, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on now
Mills had been sprinting to half court or beyond to high five his teammates at every time out the entire game. I’m all for cheerleading, but he was also running into and past Mavs players as they were walking towards their bench. Barea used Mills’ own stupid energy against him.
Yes, there were 4 seconds left, but why was he defending that hard with 4 seconds left? He can’t have it both ways…
Yep
Full court ball pressure = good solid pick. In the regular season time matters a bit more. In the playoffs these teams have to face again.
It wasn't needed. It was clean, but why do you pick somebody full force when the game is totally out of reach?
Blazers fan since '91
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"B.Roy, he play like Brandon Roy. That's it." - Nicolas Batum
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by rise_stand_resist on Apr 26, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions
Counter question
Why was Mills full court pressing with 4 seconds left?
by TheArbitor on Apr 26, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, if you're complaining about tough offense
then it’s fair to ask why you’re playing defense.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
Yeah I thought it was a reasonable question too.
I don’t think the question was meant to excuse the action at all.
Coupled with another Mavs fan post above calling Patty a "b_____" being treated "like a b______",
I think it’s a bit TROLL-esque.
We get it. Patty is playing some D and running around high-fiving his teammates. I like it! I think the Blazers need to come out pumped up and ready to take it at Chandler, who should foul out in 15 minutes like the no-talent clown that he is.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I was attempting a bit of irony, but I guess it didn't work out too well...
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
If BEdge had a special color for sarcasm
I’d post in it whenever necessary.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of us use block text for sarcasm.
Like this
Just add an at sign (shift-F2) on both sides of your comment. Give it a shot.
It’s not universal, but a few of us will get it. Winking smiley face also works. :)
Knock JJ Down
I hope Chris Johnson sends Barea to the floor on one of his drives Thursday.
That would get the crowd going, too.
Knock Dirk down.
It’s long overdue.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a dangerous thing to try.
Since it’s a foul if we breathe on him, it’ll probably be a Flagrant 2 and maybe a suspension if we knock him down.
Go Play
Do not wait to see any one crying about that pick. 4 sec left play full court you deserve running in the Brain Cardinal also your boys are suppose to call out PICK! Oh well love how playing are calling the mavs thugs love it! MAVS taking it in Game 6 so get ready to play gulf Portland fans Mavs coming up to Portland to take you out the playoffs! GO MAVS!
SO WHAT ARE THE BLAZERS GONNA DO ABOUT IT???
Piss and moan to the refs?? Complain to the media?? Its the playoffs….how about setting a hard screen ourselves for a change? How about getting more physical than the other team instead of hoping the refs protect you? How about getting more than just little annoyed? Get seriously mad and pissed off, and focus that energy into playing a harder tougher brand of basketball? How about taking the ball hard to the hole every time and try to jam the basketball it down their opponents throat, and FORCE them to foul you in order to stop you?
Its called not backing down to your oppenent and looking for help from someone else… MAN UP!!! I am so sick of watching our young guys play playoff basketball with regular season intensity and physicality, expecting the refs and othe other team to be on the same level…. and looking shocked and bewilderd when they don’t get a call.
THEY can do something about it! But will they….before its too late?
by shocker315 on Apr 26, 2011 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't have a problem with the pick
The timing was stupid, but what do you expect from some fake tough guy that’s played 30 seconds in the entire series?
What Portland needs to do is retaliate now with somebody doing the same thing to Barea, then to Terry, then Stephenson, and anybody else until we get the point across that we won’t be punked. That’s what Cardinal was doing. He was punking Patty. We can’t stand for that.
Come out to Game 6, cheer our guys on, and don’t let Dallas take us out of the game. We’re real fans up here in the NW, we know the game better than the quiet “fans” in Dallas and we don’t need a prompt from the announcer to start chanting in the Rose Garden. Get LOUD Rip City!! Our guys will feed off of it.
I'm glad it happened.
Maybe it will motivate the team to play a little more physical in the next game.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
seems like we should let it go...
if you watch the replay, Andre Miller leaves the bench as soon as it happens and marches down to half court. If a fight had broken out at that point, he would have been suspended from game 6.
a little court justice in game 6 is all we need.
Playoff basketball
anyone with any size will make it look worse because of Pattycakes size.
I had the worst dream last night, that the Blazers let off the gas in the second half and lost game 5. Then today, it was reality :(
Cant help but think they look tired at times.
" I'm coaching here " ...... Nate McMillan
Thank you BEdge
For getting rid of the trolls! So annoying…
looks like Miller to me.
we’re lucky if he doesn’t get suspended for game 6. the rules are pretty clear cut about leaving the bench.
I think it was Wesley.
Read the article on oregonlive. Wesley had some wrods with Cardinal and Stevenson(who was backing up Cardinal) after the game. Dre also backed up Patty though, so it could also have been him.
You can't get suspended for leaving the bench if their is no altercation.
The only altercation was between the floor and Patty’s backside.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
It was most likely Wesley.
Wesley had some words with Cardinal and Stevenson(who was backing Cardinal) after the game. Dre also had Patty’s back, so it could also have been Dre.
“No one messes with my teammate and gets away with it”. Blazers spirit ftw.
It was a bad pick at a bad time.
He leaned in, that was a total offensive foul and to do it with just seconds on the clock is classless.
Look at where his hands and elbows were
They were way in. He was bracing for the contact. i have looked at this frame by frame. It was just letting his guard get clean from the pressure
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why I think the blazers won't win the series
“At that point in the game, I don’t know … I don’t know if you do that when you are up that much,’’ Mills said.
It’s the play-offs. You do anything and everything to win. There is no “fair”.
To win you need:
A star or two
Will
Grit/Enforcer/dirty player/whatever you want to call it.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
by ratbastird on Apr 26, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Point being that this doesn't contribute to a win....it is just cheap...bottom line
You do anything and everything to win. There is no "fair".
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on Apr 26, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
patty taking it to twitter
Pick on the little bro and deal with the rest of the family #balas #bigbros #uncle #morethanteammates #FANmily
he also apparently wants a whiteout for thursday.
http://twitter.com/#!/Patty_Mills
PHILLY!
I'd rather it be a red out
White out, I think, wouldn’t phase Dallas much because their fans did that already. Or maybe a black out, we haven’t done that yet.
by Eric Loftin on Apr 26, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Palm slap to forehead
I give up.
A. Real men don’t settle things on Twitter. The whole symbol thing just sucks all the testosterone out of the process.
B. Little bros threatening that their big brother is gonna come and beat you up? Really?
C. You don’t telegraph what you want to do. First off, as the kids say, “pics or it didn’t happen”. Second, the league will take a much dimmer view of actions preceded by threats than they would of just the actions themselves. You don’t scare the opponent at all but you do supply the refs a pre-game memo to watch your side very carefully. If there’s anything the Blazers need less in this series than the refs watching them more carefully, I can’t think of it.
I don’t even know what to say. It’s almost comical at this point.
—Dave
by Dave on Apr 26, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
This team has needed a goon for a while now.
If Patty can go out there and boomerang sweep Dirk’s leg I believe we will have found the man—-err—mate for the job.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
One team will sit at home until training camp Complaining about Refs, Hard Screens, Fouls
The other will go onto the next series…
Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}
by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Patty bringing more attention to
He got punked and layed flopping on the floor like a clueless Rookie. And that he is on the end of the bench and likely unable to do anything about it himself. I miss Blakes actual toughness
C’mon Patty, this is embarassing
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 27, 2011 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions
It shouldn't take this to make the Blazers realize they're in the playoffs
They should already know. But three years in a row now, they still don’t get the sense of urgency that it takes to move on in the playoffs.
Camby looks like he gets it. And sometimes some other players show flashes, but the team needs to be strapped in clockwork orange style, and forced to watch playoff games from the late 80’s & early 90’s. I suggest huge doses of Bulls-Knicks.
Bulls-Knicks
was back when you could touch people on the perimeter, as well as not get whistled for a flagrant every time to foul someone hard. It’s a soft era in the NBA. I actually don’t mind the rules—except for the silly touch fouls jump shooters generate. Swinging your arms up and hitting the opponents hands shouldn’t get you a trip to the line. It’s just stupid.
The rules favor someone with the skill to face up like Dirk. He’s a foul generating machine. A smooth back-to-basket or pick-and-pop guy like LMA has a much harder time getting fouls. He has the athletic ability to face up more though. Maybe he can work on it this off-season.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Quit crying
I don’t know why everybody is crying over this. Whenever you full court press no matter what time in the game you are doing this always and I mean ALWAYS expect a screen!
this happened to Wes in game 4
I didn’t see Patty get upset about it, they are just having a pity part! I sure do hope the Grizzlies advance far in to the postseason this year. Lionel Hollins and ZBO… a couple of Blazers in the playoffs.
The rebounding really killed us
If 2 centers was working, well, let’s at least have ONE in at all times.
At this point I would give CJ all of Rudy’s minutes.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
oh, and I am not counting LMA as a center here,
take a bit of the load off of him in the process.
Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.
Interesting
This morning the poll had like 90% yes and 10% no. Now it’s more like 55/45.
"Mais put… Il est fou ce gars!" - French Jesus about Jewish Ice-T
We finally realized it was the NBA playoffs?
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
As an admitted mavs fan
I still cant say I have an issue with the play. I am glad mills wasn’t hurt, because you never wish that on any player. But I feel that whats being looked over is the fact that the blazers were still putting full court pressure on the mav’s at this late stage of the game when it was, in fact, (and blazers fans cant argue this, because they’re saying the same thing in these posts) a decided mav’s victory. I cant argue with cardinal going in and playing like there’s something on the line when the blazer’s reserves are doing the same. And if you think he was throwing his shoulder, then watch any big man set a pick at half-court. That’s just the player bracing for contact. Aldridge set almost an exactly similar pick on stevenson earlier in the game. Play-off basketball is a tougher form of basketball to begin with, and seeing as both teams were still playing like the game could be decided, I can’t find fault with the play. Hopefully it won’t lead to cheap fouls next game though, because that benefits neither team, and just takes away from the greatness of playoff basketball
Thanks Mr. Cardinal haha. I like to think that it is actually brian cardinal writing those posts. Great mental image of him lurched over a computer. I just dont agree with the biased comments that you often run into on message boards. People that post like that strike me as bandwagon fans. For instance, any mavs fan who complained after the game 4 collapse is dumb. It was our game to win, and we played a terrible 4th quarter, coupled with brandon roy having one of the best quarters I’ve ever seen from any player, ever. I hope for more educated conversations that most of the ones that end up on message boards
for starters, it was clearly a foul
other than that, I have no issue. Cardinal is trying to send a message. I wish we had more guys like that…
"Well, you can always sell your team."
by douglast on Apr 26, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm in a viewpoint pretty similar
Patty was being pesky, and got nailed for it. I’m not thrilled, but hey it’s the playoffs. But it looked like the college game where the refs checked out for the last 5 seconds and stopped trying.
Well if that was a foul
Chandler—and his “picks”—should last 15 minutes in game 6.
Wait. I guess that’s been par for the course for him, game 5 being the exception…
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Apr 26, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Who was he sendin a message too...exactly??
An end of the bench scrub sending a message to another end of the bench scrub?? It was just cheap and classless
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on Apr 26, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
our team, for game 6
clearly it’s worked, with everyone all up in a tizzy about it.
"Well, you can always sell your team."
Right, and I would have had no problem with them calling the foul on a borderline play like that. But to say its dirty isnt fair. Both teams were just playing hard. As a mav’s fan, I can assure you that no one on the team had anything resembling a mean streak before this year, other than maybe terry, who you could argue has made some dirty plays before. But Chandler is the one with the biggest attitude on the team, if anyone. Definitely not Brian cardinal haha. If I had to single out the dirtiest player from either team, I would prolly guess it to be Wallace, but he’s even been pretty peaceful this series, by his standards
There's such a fine line to the definition of "dirty"
So I’m ok if someone sees it as dirty or not dirty, honestly. I’m really only worried at how the Blazers respond to it.
Wallace is tough, not dirty. There's a difference.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Yeah, what some people call tough, other people call dirty. I understand the fine line. Didn’t mean to offend ya with the wallace comment though. For the record, I wanted the mav’s to make a push for him at the trade deadline. I think his asking price was just a little too high is all.
BTW, unrelated, but if you'd like your comment to nest under people you're replying to, just hit the "reply" link
And use the area that appears under it.
We relish in moments Lucas did far worse
My Gosh! Patty, Welscome to the NBA. Head better be on a swivel cause your “Big Bros” definetly aren’t covering you calling out you are about to be plowed
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Im just confused about
Why that game as on nbatv. It was much better than the 1030game
All actions have consequences
If you’re gonna lay a hard pick on a back up PG at the end of the game when you can just run out the clock, yeah, you’re gonna piss some people off. So no, I don’t have a problem with the screen as long as Brian Cardinal and his teammates are prepared for a little push-back from Portland in game 6.
I didn’t even think it was a legal pick the way he leaned in to him like that. Should have been a foul, I’ve seen fouls called on screens for much less.
I don’t think it was “dirty”, I reserve “dirty” for plays that try to injure. But it was cheap, uncalled for, and unnecessary. If this were baseball, I’d expect Portland to be throwing at Cardinal’s head next game. I expect the basketball equivalent instead (whatever that is).
This is a red herring
The Blazers got squarely beat on Monday, and the focus needs to be on why that happened and how to avoid repeating it, not some meaningless play in garbage time of a game well out of reach.
Totally justfied
Cardinal got the defender off the ball-handler. It’s just too bad Patty wasn’t looking in the direction he was running.
I'm gonna be the only A-hole that owns a Nic Batum jersey that doesn't live in France. Awesome.
The question is...
Why did Cardinal feel the need to get the defender off the ball-handler with under 20 seconds left in game in which they had a double-digit lead?
Not a pick, bad handling
The jump at the end made it not a pick, it was a(n unnecessary, and unnecessarily harsh) foul
As Dave said, this isn’t a matter to be handled on Twitter.
If Mr. Cardinal is not available to receive a reply, a messenger should be selected; believe Messrs Johnson or Wallace are capable of both selection and delivery but would be better off taking a cue from Nate. No other discussions are required, ever.
Just part of the game
Sorry for the typo
Regrets, meant, “an alternate should be selected;”
What is worse is there seems to be more comments about this
Than our actual play…. C’mon, it is the Playoffs. Lace up your shoes and get out there and play
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 6:11 PM PDT reply actions
And I am mad at patty for laying there floppin around
That is just sad. Go get back up fast and defend someone. That was just sad
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 7:31 PM PDT reply actions
It could have been avoided.
With 17 seconds left in the game, and a double-digit lead, the Mavs were in no need to score. So why do you risk being injured by play hard man-to-man defense on a guy who has no intention of scoring? Everyone knew the game was over! All Patty Mills had to do was let JJ Barea bring the ball up the court and hold it till time ran out. But instead, Mills wanted to make a name of himself by looking like a total fool. There’s no reason to be playing hard man defense, or any defense at all, with less than 20 second in the game. If Mills just stood in the backcourt with the rest of his team, Cardinal would never have pumped him, and we wouldn’t be posting comments on this thread.
Part of Hoops
Just as it is in baseball, there are some thing that are within the rules of the game but are poor gamesmanship. In baseball, you steal, swing for the fences on a 3-0 pitch, take out the catcher when the game is in hand and your way up, the fight is on! This will show us if the blazers are ready to take up for their man. Someone comes down the lane from Dallas, say, Terry or Barea, they get flat backed Hard. Fouls are a part of the game. Thats the part of retaliation that makes the playoffs great to watch! Go Blazers
Patty on his teammates not callin out his name
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEo8poVlQrM&feature=related
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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 26, 2011 9:35 PM PDT reply actions
48 minutes is 48 minutes
I think NBA teams should shoot at the end even if they’re up by 20 with 15 seconds left — fans paid for 48 minutes and they shouldn’t only get 47 1/2. But that’s just me.
Quit cryin Blazers fans....
I respect your team but come on…Yall were pressing full court D and expect us to just let you trap Barea and force a turnover?!?! Ummmmmm NO. Don’t get mad simply bc you got met with what you dished out. If you didnt want it to happen then let us just dribble it out…you may call it bad sportsmanship but Cardinal had just came into the game for the first time and set a standard pick. As a true fan of basketball..I can see it for what it is..Had it been my teams player that went down..Id be cursing him for making such a poor choice to press full court when theres no chance of winning. Patty made a poor choice bc had something serious happened in the fall he could be out for the next game and Im quite certain yall dont want that. The Mavs are classy and so are their fans (I.e. ME)…unlike YOUR fans that throw stuff at people. How trashy. As I said, I respect your team..them boys are fighting their hearts out…and if yall hadnt been unlucky enough to get us in the first round then Id likely be rooting for u..but as it stands your playing my team….as a Mav fan, I, like Deshawn, will not allow people to talk shit about my team without it being warrented…Cardinal is one of the nicest guys man…..hes a gently giant…but make NO mistake…he plays solid D..as does the rest of our team. Bring it on and we’ll see who the better team is..though I already know the answer to that. Its gonna be a rough game tomorrow and I dont doubt for one minute yall will fight til the last minute..just remember..if you chose to do the same thing next game..another player will get leveled. Thats called Defense and this is basketball..NOT a teaparty. Put on your big boy panties Blazers fans and quit crying about a completely legal screen. Your boys should be watching out for each other as Stevenson looked out for Cardinal. I appreciate that some of your fans see this the way I and the rest of the league does…as a completely legal pick…it was unnecessary to have Full court pressure with 15 seconds left. Recognize that thinking otherwise is delusional. GO MAVS!!!!!
by MavericksFan41 on Apr 27, 2011 11:22 PM PDT reply actions
Cardinal pick
If I were a coach, I would not call a full court press with 10 seconds left. But, if they want to pressure the ball, thats OK. But, why complain when a big sets a pick to rub off pressure? You asked for it, you got it.
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