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The Value of the Alley-Oop

We've heard it over and over again from Blazer Broadcasting:  the Portland Trail Blazers lead the league in alley-oop connections.  LaMarcus Aldridge sits atop the universe in alley-oop slams, Andre Miller is the premier alley-oop assist-maker.  At a casual glance it seems a superficial stat.  Throw every "oop" of the season together and the scoring's not a drop in Portland's bucket.  Sure it's pretty for the fans but two points register as two points on the scoreboard no matter how they come.  For most teams the alley-oop is frosting on the game cake, decorative and sweet but hardly foundational.   It's a little different for the Blazers though.  These spectacular buckets are at once the source of and indicative of good things happening for the team...things we've waited for over the past few seasons now come to life.

The greatest direct effect of the alley-oop play has been cementing Aldridge's confidence and scoring average.  LMA has been many things over the years but a rim scorer has not been among his best qualities.  Until this season he was a nice, albeit perimeter-oriented, 18 ppg scorer.  This year he's approaching 22 per game.  He's over 2 points per game in alley-oop buckets alone, half of his increase.  The "oop" has helped turn Aldridge into a star.  Points alone don't tell the story either.  Does anyone remember how Rasheed Wallace became the 'Sheed that struck fear into the hearts of opponents offensively?  His offensive moves were always decent but when he came to Portland he wasn't nearly aggressive enough nor dominant enough to fulfill his potential.  How did the Blazers get him off in his formative years?  They threw the ball to the rim repeatedly and let him hammer them down.  Those early easy buckets opened up his offense for years to come, paying dividends even after they ceased and his attack became more standardized.  We may be watching a similar progression with Aldridge.  Having tasted 20 per game and knowing what it's like to dunk, he's not going to be eager to go back to 18 and never touching the rim.

The alley-oop has also served to integrate Andre Miller into the team.  Last year, even on the occasions he was dominant, the fit was awkward.  A few soaring tosses into willing and devastating hands has taken care of that nicely, eh?  He doesn't just look like a point guard this year, he looks like this team's point guard.  The alley-oop connections aren't the entire reason but they've helped.

Alley-oops are also evidence of two things Blazer fans have been longing to see out of Portland's offense:  motion and easy buckets.  The absence of Greg Oden and the injuries of Brandon Roy opened up a new field of opportunities into which Miller and the High Flyers have charged.  For a team that looked to have no credible low attack at the beginning of the year these dunks have been a godsend.  Instead of posting deep and centering the ball where the defense can find it the Blazers have kept the rock high, drawn defenders outside, then streaked through and attacked on the run, creating fast buckets out of halfcourt sets.  More people touch the ball.  The points go up easier.  Defenders have to look for multiple possibilities instead of focusing on one.  Suddenly they're just as frightened defending off the ball as they are on it.  If you can't have the dead certainty of a Jordan or Durant or LBJ scoring creating uncertainty is the next best option and the Blazers have sowed it through this play.  You can also see the effect on Portland's own players.  Cuts are crisper, off-ball players are more alert, eyes are open to opportunity instead of glazed as the players run through the motions.  The "oops" have also masked the relatively weak dribbling ability of Portland's 2-3-4 guys.  It's far easier for them to finish when they haven't packed the ball and drawn defenders all the way to the hoop.  Weakness has become strength through a simple flip pass.

Alley-oops don't solve everything.  They're probably not even a sustainable way of doing business.  If Portland's eventual playoff opponent doesn't have the move scouted and shut off they're either lazy or fools.  But the alley-oop is an early glimpse of what this team is supposed to be on offense:  multi-faceted, talented, aggressive, athletic, unselfish, and overpowering.  Whether or not they continue through the coming years or even through the next few weeks they've been the key that has opened up the potential and dreams of Portland's young guys.  It's been fun to watch both the plays and the players develop. 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Throw it DOWN big man!!!!!!

The oops give our team a boost on a multiplicity of dimensions. What a wonderful weapon to have in our team’s arsenal.

Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!

by Blzr fan on Apr 10, 2011 10:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Alley-oops get the crowd involved

Having the home crowd on our side is always great

Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Williams, Duckworth. The greatest starting 5 ever.

by Bib Fortuna on Apr 10, 2011 10:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

there is a psychological dividend,

that can effect the whole game

Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.

by Berkeley on Apr 11, 2011 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's why Miller, or at least a passer like Miller is so important to this team.

If we get a scoring pg, this off ball movement is going to fade and disappear. Following the psychology theme, if you ring a bell and give food to a dog, eventually he will start salivating from the sound of the bell alone. But if you ring the bell too much without giving the food, he’ll stop salivating. It’s called extinction.

Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.

Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar

by Batumshakalaka on Apr 11, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice psychological reference, yes,

delivering the food is rewarding the MOTION we love to see, as players work to position themselves expectantly looking for the ball to be delivered by a PG who is all about just that – making the beautiful assist. Plus, guys moving all over with that threat is running down the other team who has to try and defend that. And when it is working, it is disheartening to the oppositoin, and such fun for us.
Of course any kind of nice inside dish to the cutter for an easy bucket is sweet. The Crash/Nico duo is so well suited to this, while defense is ‘shuttin’ down’ LMA.

Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.

by Berkeley on Apr 11, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is exactly what I was thinking as well.

Gasol’s face after LMA spun off him late game Friday night says it all.

"Jumper-free throw-free throw-alley oop-jumper-post move-oh please stop hurting us LaMarcus!" -Dave 2/14/11

by Kroes32 on Apr 11, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we keep these up.

Batum/gwallace/lma/cj/rudy/aj/ewilliams….and oden can all finish oops.

OSU '06
GForce Crash Wallace FTW!

by TyboOSU on Apr 10, 2011 10:57 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

and we have an assortment of players

Who can make the accurate lob, which is no less important

Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!

by Blzr fan on Apr 10, 2011 10:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

hope the team picks up Miller's last year.

Even if it’s to come off the bench. They can trade Camby’s expiring contract.
Wish there was a way the Blazers could get Curry…then I’d be ok with Miller leaving…I suppose. Just really like what Miller does. Are there any other point guards out there who can pass as well? Who could start and learn from Miller?
I don’t like D Harris.

by Natsthecat on Apr 11, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oop, there it is!

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Apr 10, 2011 11:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't see very many alley-oop plays in the playoffs

With that said, our alley-oop plays this year have looked flawless and actually connecting on one or two a game will absolutely deflate the playoff opponent, whomever that would be.

by JMLakaShotCaller on Apr 10, 2011 11:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I would argue its tougher to get alley-oops in a seven game series

where a team has ample time to scout and plug defensive holes. It’s kind of one of those “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me” sort of things.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Apr 11, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they have to be on guard against the oop

That means something else is easier. Less ability to rotate, double-team, move out on shooters, etc.

by superfly05 on Apr 11, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah agreed

The more teams have to work to defend us the better.

by poorwebguy on Apr 11, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's called playing as a team.

The crisp passing, cutting and more players touching the ball, these are not the result of Andre finally fitting in with this team, rather the team figuring out how to fit in with Andre!

I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but this should have happened immediately upon Miller’s arrival in Portland. Only the insecurity of our “superstar” and the inexperience of Nate McMillen made it take so long.

Glad to see you finally giving Miller some props.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Apr 10, 2011 11:56 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

...

…as if Dave has never given Miller props before…

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Apr 11, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great call with the team fitting in with Andre

But like said in an above post, if we trade Andre for a scoring pg, they will eventually revert back to the one on one play.

Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.

Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar

by Batumshakalaka on Apr 11, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don't want to but...

…you certainly are!..

As a matter of fact there is nothing left of that horse to beat…

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Andre voted MVP of the Blazers LAST year?

  #7

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Apr 11, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he was

Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"

by 92wastheyear on Apr 12, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone know what the NBA single season record is?

Not sure how long they’ve been keeping this as an official stat, but it would be cool to set the bar

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Apr 11, 2011 12:10 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

why is so hard to find information on this?

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Apr 11, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Alley Oop

WITH THIS GIFT, WE WILL WIN 4TH PLACE!

by OCEANFRNT on Apr 11, 2011 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm sorry, I don't know what just happened.

A very unusual series of moves just made the ball go…in.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Apr 11, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Under Rated movie

No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).

by svlittle on Apr 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

got better for me the second and third times around

definitely things to appreciate about it

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Apr 11, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you guys talkin about "Air Bud"?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
--Alfred Lord Tennyson

by CatMan2 on Apr 11, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave sparked this all when he named his daughter.

Thank you!

When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.

"Batum, who stands 8 feet tall with a 9-foot wingspan and never makes mistakes..." - Posting and Toasting

I still believe in #52. See you soon, Greg!

by ictoagsn on Apr 11, 2011 12:58 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

"Ali" isn't....

When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.

"Batum, who stands 8 feet tall with a 9-foot wingspan and never makes mistakes..." - Posting and Toasting

I still believe in #52. See you soon, Greg!

by ictoagsn on Apr 11, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

And when somebody suggested *oop* for a middle name

Dave said he was calling the hospital.

Therefore, Ali Oop is unquestionably responsible for the recent success of the Blazers in this department.

When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.

"Batum, who stands 8 feet tall with a 9-foot wingspan and never makes mistakes..." - Posting and Toasting

I still believe in #52. See you soon, Greg!

by ictoagsn on Apr 11, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

that would be a pretty cool name,

that “Oop” nickname would be had to get away from, though.
Some people do wind up just using their middle name.
You could stretch it out so nice “Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooop!”

Jordan's not a bad guy.. he gave us Gerald Wallace.

by Berkeley on Apr 11, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just wait until she starts walking

She’s going to become “Oops!” in no time at all.

When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.

"Batum, who stands 8 feet tall with a 9-foot wingspan and never makes mistakes..." - Posting and Toasting

I still believe in #52. See you soon, Greg!

by ictoagsn on Apr 11, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy Points

In the past few years we’ve had lots of trouble getting those “easy buckets”, even when Roy was 100% or the brief time Oden was healthy. I begged for some sharp cuts through the paint every single night, but even when they came it was to open up a corner three or LMA 18-footer. The best teams in the league have ways to manufacture points in the paint and at the rim and I think it’s a big step for our team, especially the young guys, to learn how to do it and recognize the value there. LMA is also learning to use his size and quickness inside the paint, which could be the difference between being a volume scorer and an all-star next year.

You’re right that these points are a drop in the bucket, but every good team needs something like this (comfortable, easy points) in their bag of tricks.

by JonathanPDX on Apr 11, 2011 1:02 AM PDT reply actions  

The emotional toll it takes on opposing teams could be big.

We had a nice one late in the L*kers game. Never underestimate the power of “putting on a clinic” against the two time defending champs. Aldridge is shooting a Nike commercial while Bynum and Gashole stand there scratching their heads. That’s gotta mess with them. And I’m sure Phil and Kobe had something to say about it as well. Kobe draining threes from all over is pretty demoralizing for our guys, but ally ooping is our dagger.

Also, it is indicative of things going right. Ball movement is executed. Guys are getting in position. Opposing defense is drawn away and collapses. The end result is a low contact and relatively easy shot. Plus, its a product of chemistry. These guys know each others next move before they make it. The team as a unit is greater than the sum of its parts, and the fact that we are able to execute it with such consistency is proof of that. Opponents know its going to happen, and they are powerless to stop it.

"She fell in love with the drummer, another and another"

by Cap'n Crash on Apr 11, 2011 1:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I was waiting for someone to mention this

Alley oops have more impact than the two points they produce. It’s embarrassing and demoralizing to a defender and a defense to have the opponent score this way. After a Blazer scores on an alley-oop, you often see the opponents gesturing and even yelling at each other. It’s the ultimate breakdown in defense; somehow, it’s even worse than letting a penetrator waltz down the lane and dunk the ball.

Oh, one other thing: Camby deserves props too. For a big, he’s amazingly good at alley-oop passing—especially to LaMarcus.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Apr 11, 2011 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Wallace

continue to learn from Camby and develop the high-post game to complement LMA on the low block. Gerald, facing up from 15’ out with the option to feed LMA, is not a nice matchup for most defenders.

by dwaynebillybob on Apr 11, 2011 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would love to see that running pick and roll with wallace and aldridge

What would you do if you had crash and lamonster both running full speed at the basket

No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).

by svlittle on Apr 11, 2011 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

This would be ridiculously funny to watch

Defense would have no doubt where Wallace is going. Would be interesting to see how many times they get their feet tangled trying to defend it.

by poorwebguy on Apr 11, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Time and space would collapse

And the entire Rose Garden would be shot into the 57th dimension…

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Apr 11, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are right

Gerald puts more pressure getting the ball out there than Camby. But where does Camby go if they are all on the floor at the same time? a Key is he has drawn the other teams big out..So many little things make it all work

Roy Bashing~ "Blakes gone...Brandon is next alphabetically " ;-}

by Hermistonmelons on Apr 11, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Especially when it happens to you a couple times in row, no wonder the lakers got so pissed

What’s great is that lob can come from anywhere at anytime. That’s got to be in the defenders head. Defenders are so worried about LMA spinning off they don’t even bother covering those curls that has been getting batum and matthews easy layups. I love how nate has some counters built into all those lob plays. I’ve noticed a couple options built into that rudy/aldridge running pick and roll. Props to nate for changing his coaching and making a unconventional play a key component of this offense

No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).

by svlittle on Apr 11, 2011 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah this

It puts a ton of pressure on individual defenders. No-one wants LMA or anyone else dunking on them off the lob. It makes LMA even harder to front too…opening up the entry pass into the post.

by poorwebguy on Apr 11, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lets not forget

McMillan was a member of a team who was very famous for the oop… Payton to Kemp? Cash.

Sign Reggie Williams
Trade For Tolliver
Draft Kenneth Faried

by 420Phenom on Apr 11, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not as easy to defend as you might think...

LMA’s development in the high post have made it a much more difficult play to defend than it would have been even last year. If he gets the ball single-covered at the elbow, it’s a pretty good option for PDX. Thus the tendency to overplay him and be susceptible to the spin-roll-oop.

Additionally, the entire team now knows to look for LMA at the rim. Miller is a A+ oop-thrower, obviously, but some of our other guys are pretty good as well. Camby is A-level for a big, Batum does a good (B or B+) job as does Rudy. Roy doesn’t look for it as much as he could but is plenty capable of making the pass. Same for Gerald Wallace, who is a much better passer than I thought, and just needs to get comfortable with the idea of throwing it up there for LMA to get. The only guy who really doesn’t have it is Matthews. He wants to, he just doesn’t have the touch.

by dwaynebillybob on Apr 11, 2011 1:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Outside of LMA...

Batum is a B or B+ level finisher as is Wallace. Those two plus LMA make for a nice set of options.

Not so hot on the oops to Matthews ©, Rudy ©, Camby (D), (Wesley, don’t throw that pass!!!) Roy (F), or Andre (F—-).

by dwaynebillybob on Apr 11, 2011 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

He tries a lot

But converts at a horrible rate.

Matthews is a lot of good things, but a good passer (and dribbler) are not high on that list.

by dwaynebillybob on Apr 11, 2011 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, lobs in traffic are not one of matthews strengths

Matthews has some holes in his game, as do all 2nd year players, but what I love about him is you know that he is going to work his butt off to fix them.

No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).

by svlittle on Apr 11, 2011 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is soooo true.

The guy is such a professional. All of those NBA competitor genes…

by Natsthecat on Apr 11, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And one more thing...

A lot of our alley-oops aren’t off of set plays, so it’s much tougher to gameplan to stop them. Several of the lobs thrown last night were cases of very good position recognition (primarily by Andre), and great communication to get the ball to the finisher at the rim.

by dwaynebillybob on Apr 11, 2011 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every blazer is ready for that lob at all times

I think it was the utah game where dre seemed to drop the ball in a tiny space right over a defenders head to matthews. That one was like dropping it to a wr between a line backer and a safety

No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).

by svlittle on Apr 11, 2011 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aldridge and dre have such great chemistry right now.

As soon as LA’s defender takes his eyes off him for a second, LA is spinning and the ball is in his hands

No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).

by svlittle on Apr 11, 2011 2:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Miller was doing the same

when he was in Denver with Carmelo Anthony,Kenyon Martin and Marcus Camby.
http://www.82games.com/random19.htm
He can claim the title King of alley-oop pass.

by prostofen on Apr 11, 2011 2:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Heh

Ah, but if you’re looking for the true dual threat player in this regard, the guy who can both make the pass and be the one catching it and dunking it, well there’s only one true NBA star in this…Dwyane Wade. With nineteen made buckets and eighteen dishes, his dual action is unparalleled.

The shocker is that the #2 best dual guy is Marcus Camby with six dishes to complement his own Oop dunks!

by dwaynebillybob on Apr 11, 2011 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Alley Oop” Dunks — Assist Leaders

Player Team FGM FGA Ast

 Miller DEN 0 0 86
 Diaw PHO 2 2 38
 Nash PHO 0 0 31
 Iverson PHI 0 0 27
 Hamilton DET 0 0 25
 Williams MIA 0 0 22
 Kidd NJN 0 0 22
 Hassell MIN 0 0 21
 Wade MIA 19 19 18
 Davis GSW 3 3 18
 Crawford NYK 0 0 18
 Francis ORL 0 0 15
 Johnson ATL 0 0 12
 Knight CHA 0 0 12
 Nelson ORL 0 0 12
 Ridnour SEA 0 0 12
 Allen SEA 1 1 11
 Telfair POR 0 0 11

I don’t know what year that was, but it’s not even close. Miller is unquestionably the best lob passer ever in the NBA.

2011 NFL Draft - Doplhins

Trade Down from #15

1st - 1a) Colin Kaepernick, 1b) Ryan Mallett (QB)

by zeusmith on Apr 11, 2011 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Suddenly they’re just as frightened defending off the ball as they are on it.

Zing! Thats what makes the alley-oop very effective; the fact that defenders have to guard the cut to the basket freeing up room for jumpers. It also serves the purpose of getting the home crown fired up at home, which makes it harder for the opponent to get its bearings. Unfortunately, we had been going away from the oops before last game because of the offense we were running + Camby’s injury. The only way we can re-ignite this portion of our offense is to revive the High P&R as was seen in the Lakers game. It’s up to Nate to send LMA to free Miller on the screen so he can deliver the goods. When we stopped running the High P&R, the play died.

2011 NFL Draft - Doplhins

Trade Down from #15

1st - 1a) Colin Kaepernick, 1b) Ryan Mallett (QB)

by zeusmith on Apr 11, 2011 6:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Not only defending off the ball, but ...

Now you’re in trouble if you front Aldridge, or if you shade over to help on defense, or if you just look away for a split second.

I often hit rewind to see how the recipient got so open, and it’s usually one of these things. The alley-oop means the defender has to be covering in front of him and behind him — pretty impossible to do. I think that’s why it’s devastating — not just psychologically but because whatever you do as a defender, you’re wrong.

The 76ers (if I remember right) were the one team that broke up the alley-oops when they played in Portland, and they almost won that game. They sprang up right in front of Aldridge every time the pass came in. It was impressive.

by Kaboomm on Apr 11, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, I was there

and the 76ers played great, but we played even better and weren’t about to lose that puppy. They did play well though and hung around basically till the end.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Apr 11, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually..

I believe the only team to truly take that away from us was the Kings. In particular Samuel Dalembert. I absolutely loathe the Kings but Dalembert is a truly gifted defensive center. If we could get him on Portland our defense would be frightening.

by Jason Hobbs on Apr 11, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oden is, and better to boot...

Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Apr 11, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Either way we need to assimilate the alley-oop into our offense as a major component

Like in the Lakers game, because we sure aren’t going to beat anybody with our outside shooting. Gotta find a way to get back to this consistently.

2011 NFL Draft - Doplhins

Trade Down from #15

1st - 1a) Colin Kaepernick, 1b) Ryan Mallett (QB)

by zeusmith on Apr 11, 2011 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Seems to me

that the oop already has been assimilated into the offense, but maybe I’m missing your point. In any case, it’s not a play that a team can run whenever it feels like it. Usually it’s a play of opportunity that happens when passer and receiver make eye contact in certain situations, such as when the receiver is being fronted and weak side help is a step too far away.

But those who have said that it demorlizes the defense are right – I can tell you from experience that it’s not fun to get posterized. However, it’s a lot of fun to be the posterizer.

"Send lawyers, guns and money; the sh*t has hit the fan." - Warren Zevon

by mexicoman on Apr 11, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

that the oop already has been assimilated into the offense, but maybe I’m missing your point. In any case, it’s not a play that a team can run whenever it feels like it. Usually it’s a play of opportunity that happens when passer and receiver make eye contact in certain situations, such as when the receiver is being fronted and weak side help is a step too far away.

It had been assimilated into the offense in the first half, but it’s been a diffeent story after the AS break (except for last game). We’ve been getting away from it over the past 20 games or so, except for the odd Rudt-to-LMA or Miller-to-Batum flush. It’s slowed to a trickle. Not conincidently, Miller’s play has dimisnished since the AS break too, where he was a 18.9 PER player.

The main reason IMO is because we’ve turned too much into a dump-it-to-LMA-in-the-post offense. This has resulted into too many long jumpers on LMA double teams. I like the High P&R offense much better.

2011 NFL Draft - Doplhins

Trade Down from #15

1st - 1a) Colin Kaepernick, 1b) Ryan Mallett (QB)

by zeusmith on Apr 11, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

You make good points

and I agree as far as it goes. My point is, as I said, that the oop is usually a play of opportunity. This is because Blazers’ opponents are aware that “we” like to work it when we can and so will incorporate these tendencies into their defensive game plan. They’re looking for it, so the oportunities are now fewer than earlier in the season and the result is the “dump it into LA and take outside shots when he’s doubled” sort of thing that we see lately (which wouldn’t be so much of an issue if the Blazers had more reliable 3-point shooters). But the oop still works once in awhile and it’s fun to see when it does.

BTW, I like the P&R, too, always have. It’s another play that’s fun to run and fun to watch when it works.

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by mexicoman on Apr 11, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree some of the oops opportunities are diminshed because of opponent gameplanning

It’s not a novel as it once was. Still, the oppotunities will be there because all it takes is a sliver of space to make it work. Your opponent can gameplan to stop the oops all they want, but the offensive team will ALWAYS have the advantage of anticipation, and that’s impossible to stop. The ball handler just needs a little room to make the pass, and Miller and Camby only need a small opening to complete it.

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by zeusmith on Apr 11, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seemed like LMA wasn't getting up as high for awhile

In several instances Dre would throw the lob and LMA couldn’t get high enough to reign it in anymore. We went from that to Dre throwing the lob a little lower and the other team picking it off a few times.

The play works best when LMA is at near 100% and gets that 30+ inch vertical going. With his reach, not many bigs can get high enough to stop him from finishing.

by poorwebguy on Apr 11, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

IMO

he was tired. I think what weve seen out of the last couple of games is his third (maybe fourth?) wind. Hes been an absolute horse out there on the court playing tremendous minutes with a smile on his face. I think come next year we wont be seeing him slow down at times as much. Playing a whole year like this definitely conditions the body and it makes it SHOULD be easy for him to maintain and maybe work a little bit on some cardio. It will be very interesting to see how he comes back next year. This team should be kept together for as long as possible. Little changes can be made in the areas where we’ve got a lot of age but this could be a great team.

by Jason Hobbs on Apr 11, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

both on LMA fatigue and keeping much of this team together next NBA season.

by poorwebguy on Apr 11, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

we are now starting to reap the benefits of having players who are comfortable playing ewth each other

And a coach who is making good use of the players on his team

This could not have happened a couple years ago

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by Blzr fan on Apr 11, 2011 8:25 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Basketball is a game of timing and reaction

Players have to know each other well for many things to work

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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 11, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why don't we see more of this in the NBA?

Is LMA faster than most PF’s? Is the chemistry better? Is he just looking for it more? There are a handful of guys built similarly to LMA yet they don’t seem to do this much. Thoughts?

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by Kroes32 on Apr 11, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

it takes alot of practice to develop the skill to execute

And great savvy and teamwork to defend it well

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by Blzr fan on Apr 11, 2011 8:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Plus, you have to have the guy at point who can do this

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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 11, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

What makes me most excited is

Now that I watch blazers games LOOKING for the oop, I notice so many times where we don’t find it. The ball handler just doesn’t notice that perfect moment where the cutter gets free because they are distracted in some other way.

It makes me so happy because it means that even with all we are doing there are still TONS more, and we can still further improve on them.

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by TheGreatMon on Apr 11, 2011 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

oop>trey

Just do the math. When executed properly, an oop has probably 85% chance of success. Even an excellent 3-pt shooter will not consistently make even 50% of attempts. Therefore, the team doing oops can anticipate 17 pts per 10 attempts, compared to 15 or fewer pts per 10 3-pt efforts. Additionally, the player executing the oop has an excellent chance of being fouled, making the oop an old-school 3-pointer.

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by Blzr fan on Apr 11, 2011 8:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

You are on a roll with making very good points

I think you are hitting good points at about a 75% clip with lots of minutes played ;-}

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by Hermistonmelons on Apr 11, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't take me out of the game coach

I will take a vacation after the FINALS

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by Blzr fan on Apr 11, 2011 6:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hit the showers, buddy.

You stole my point from the Lakers pre-game thread. LOL ;)

by manfredi on Apr 11, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

imitation is the best form of flattery

You can quote me on that

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by Blzr fan on Apr 11, 2011 10:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

strangest name for the coolest play.

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by Net Ranger on Apr 11, 2011 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

It comes from French circus talk

Acrobats and trapeze artists yell “allez-oop” before leaping. Roughly, it means “go up.”

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by Corvid on Apr 11, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh. And now I've learned something today.

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by GMan83201 on Apr 11, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Corvid just wikipedia'd it

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by jamon51 on Apr 11, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not far off

Got curious and looked it up a few weeks ago when there was that Oregonian article about all of our alley oops. Dang, I love googling stuff and solving all of life’s mysteries. Feels kind of strange to say that a search engine gives me such joy. . .

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by Corvid on Apr 11, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

YA Tittle to RC Owens

SF 49’ers from many years ago. Owens was a 6’7" former college BB player turned wide receiver and Tittle would lob it into the end zone for Owens to go up and get it.

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by mexicoman on Apr 11, 2011 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Reply fail

Meant for Net Ranger

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by mexicoman on Apr 11, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Andre miller with denver 2005-06

leader in oop assists;

Andre Miller has an even more commanding lead in the Alley Oop assists than Marion had in the made buckets. That’s because Miller has three choice targets in Anthony, Martin, and Camby.

by blazerblaze on Apr 11, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

The Blazers often work the alley oop off the P&R...

if only they could bounce a pass for a one step or even one dribble shot at the rim off the P&R once in a while…

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by blacknoiseNW on Apr 11, 2011 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I credit Rudy

with getting Aldridge comfortable with the alley-oop off the pick-n-slip play. After that Miller had a willing and capable finisher.

It’s strange that Rudy (who alley-ooped like crazy his rookie year with Sergio) hasn’t hardly touched an alley-oop all year. Maybe he and Miller aught to practice that back door baseline oop this summer.

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by jamon51 on Apr 11, 2011 8:20 PM PDT reply actions  

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-03-21/miller-makes-blazers-teammates-see-his-value

a march story about miller and passing. he makes it sound so simple. sorry if this was posted already

by utahcoyote on Apr 12, 2011 8:01 AM PDT reply actions  

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