One-on-One with Nate: Start Gerald Wallace!
Nate, there have been recent reports that you feel one-year removed NBA All-Star Gerald Wallace would work better for us off the bench. Is that a fair assessment?
"Yes, I feel that he would work better for us in the second unit."
I'm going to jump start this process with a little intervention. Say it with me, Nate: Start.
“Start.”
That’s right, you can do this. Now: Gerald.
“Gerald.”
I am so proud of you! Just one more word: Wallace.
“On the bench.”
Okay, Nate, you’re not getting this. Do you remember Andre Miller?
“Uh, yes.”
And that trouble with Steve Blake?
“I wish we had Blake.”
I do to … coming off the bench.
“With Roy coming back—”
Now, this is exactly what I’m talking about. Stop it
"I could start Steve, and play Dre alongside Wallace on that second unit--"
You are not listening! That kind of thinking's why KP had to trade Blake.
"--second unit, you know--"
No, I don’t know.
"--would present match-up problems for opposing--"
Dear God! With the injuries, we don’t have a second unit.
"--teams on a nightly--"
Help! Help! Men in white overalls, stat!
"--basis. With Steve pulling the major minutes--"
Take me now, Lord, take me, now!
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Nate's the coach for the next couple of months, you are not
What happened with Miller-Blake in the past is well-known, and it should help us predict (if not fully understand or completely agree with) McMillian’s decision-making. Once the coach gets an idea in his head it tends to take root, but it’s a far cry from starting a fall camp with your best PG coming off the bench, and trying to integrate a new player into a successful (21-11 since mid Dec) starting lineup after mid-season, while the team is fighting for a playoff spot
I hope the difference is clearer, now
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this
although eventually wallace will win the starting spot over wither camby or batum based on talent and productivity alone….likely over nicolas “confidence? what’s that?” batum
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Mar 5, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
I will "take it back" once the starting unit can generate a healthy lead.
I don’t want to keep having to play from behind, anymore.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
they were generating healthy leads in Dec-Feb (or at least scoring 25+ points in the 1st quarter)
but en the bench would come in,the offense would hit a drought and they’d give those leads back up
Nate’s trying to balance the scoring over the course of the entire game, not just win the first 5-10 minutes of each half
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Stating the obvious...
…uh, Wallace wasn’t here then.
If he offense immediately kicks into gear when Crash cames into the game
then the argument to start him would have legs. As it is, we’re not seeing that. What we’re seeing is that he’s feeling his way with this new team, and that’s exactly what we should expect to see.
I’d rather that he feel his way from the 8 minute mark of the 1st-3rd quarters to the end of the half, so the starters who have had some decent success since mid-Dec can keep doing what they’ve been doing, as a unit.
This isn’t about Batum vs. Wallace, or Camby vs. Wallace. This is a starting lineup wasn’t “broke” before the trade, and the bench that really needed a boost all season. Gerald can be that boost, along with Roy, Rudy, Patty, etc. It’s not a permanent arrangement or the end of western civilization as we know it.
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"Eventually" could be next week or next year
usually, it takes an injury to force Nate’s hand
Hopefully, they’ll keep winning and everyone will stay healthy
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Once the coach gets an idea in his head it tends to take root
So if I am reading you right, you are saying we need to get inside coach’s head via a dream within a dream within a dream and plant the idea that starting Gerald is best for the team in the short and long term. But to make this work, we need to make him believe it was his own idea. Maybe use his innate desire to contradict what is accepted by the masses as the right decision, and plant it in his head that conventional wisdom would say that Gerald’s role needs to continue to be the 6th man; in effect forcing Nate to start G-Wall.
by POV on Mar 5, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Inception coaching from the peanut gallery?
is this what NBA fandom is heading towards?
before you know it, we’ll be making coaching decisions from our couch with a joystick
(oh, that’s called NBA 2k, isn’t it?)
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I think we all know that we are not the head coach
you don’t have to keep saying it
by POV on Mar 5, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Lol!
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 10:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ha!
That is hysterical.
Pay no attention to those who would embark upon a serious discussion re: your post without acknowledging that it was funny as heck. They are the humorless.
by Clandestine Johnson on Mar 5, 2011 1:03 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
wit >>> sophomoric humor
and the ability to know the difference?
priceless
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the word sophomoric is probably the least funny word in the english language.
and witty is just another word for something that seems like it should be funny, but it isn’t… like doonesbury.
by SaveOden on Mar 7, 2011 5:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well writen opinion
I don’t criticize Nate but this change will eventually happen. Coaching in the NBA is equal parts psychology and strategy. Nate has shown some loyalty to Batum by leaving him in the line-up and Wallace has had some time to see the system but Nate needs to get real. Wallace is our best player not second best player. Roy is hurt and LA has never brought it for a full year. It’s time to start the A team.
I'm sick of the first and second unit approach, which in theory might be nice but hasn't worked out for us because of injuries
I say the best people we have at the positions get the lion’s share of the minutes on the floor in those positions, after all the last couple years we have won with sometimes the ONLY people we have left to play those positions. What’s better, a theory about having two distinct teams being able to give you different looks on the floor or playing people situationally because of matchups with teams and individual players because it gives you an advantage every game?
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 5, 2011 3:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly: with the starters playing 40+ minutes, THERE IS NO spoon
I mean, THERE IS NO second unit.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
but this team only has one player who plays 40+ minutes
and there have been plenty of fans calling for Nate to bring LMA’s minutes back under 40
this isn’t hockey, so the term " 2nd unit" will never be a clear “line change” between two sets of 5 players, regardless. It’s just easier to list them that way on a depth chart, and McMillian divides the team into two squads for scrimmages. In the actual games, most of the players in the 8-9 man rotation will be on the floor together at some point (Joel-Marcus and Andre-Patty would be exceptions) whether they’re starters or reserves
So the idea that Nate needs “a go-to guy in the second unit” is easy to misunderstand. What Wallace brings is another low post option when LMA is not in the game. This doesn’t mean that Gerald will play fewer minutes than he would if he was starting each half, or that Batum/Camby will receive more PT than Crash. What it does mean is that there won’t be a possession when either LMA or Wallace aren’t out on the floor, unless the game is already decided. (I would argue that a similar “stagger” arrangement would make sense for Roy and Miller, since they are the team’s best ballhandlers.)
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But we have been playing a seven man rotation
There are no units. There are seven guys and Patty now with Roy back logging ~38 minutes a night each.
We need Wallace out there to see if he can gel in a starting role and bring us more of his insane goodness from the get go. We need that for the playoffs.
This move to trade up for Wallace, this season with all the injuries, really this is all about … next season. And next season, I would hope, Wallace will be starting. Why disgruntle another great newcomer for little to no gain, and much potential loss.
Somebody has to say the emperor has no clothes. It might be cruel to say, but the plainer it is said the better. And today, it’s me saying it. Tomorrow, it might be you. I hope to be respectful of you, a fellow Bedger, even if I trample on the toes of a Nate, a public figure, who is messing with the team making the same mistake but worse the same way he did with Andre. (Wallace isn’t even a PG. Where is the big chemistry program starting a good defender, rebounder, and more steady contributor than Nic or We$?)
I have held off telling this community that I was right about Andre all along. That when they finally got him, we voted Andre Blazer MVP for last season. I am saying now that Wallace is a better player than Andre. And I hope soon enough that he is starting and that there is no more room for sarcasm and I told you so’s. That’s what I dearly hope.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
I'm trying to be fair to Nate
and offer some perspective re: why he’s not starting Wallace. Sure, McMillian can be stubborn, but he usually has a good BB reason why he makes the decisions that he does, even thought that we might not agree with him, most of the time.
I don’t think Crash is disgruntled, I think he understands that he’s new and that it’s going to take time for he and his teammates to jell. Right now they don’t have the luxury of time, so Nate has him playing a role where he can have the most impact and the least potential disruption to whatever chemistry the starters have been able to develop this season. Is that so hard to understand?
I think most of us can relate to being on a project, and then the “new guy” joins and it takes extra time and resources to bring him/her “up to speed”. Sometimes that’s beneficial, other times (like when there’s deadline pressure and we’re near the end of the job) it’s a pain.
That’s where I see McMillian is at right now, and he’s the one who’s got to make sure everyone is on the same page, and not just at the beginning of each half.
As far as who will be Portland’s coach after the lockout, we’ll just have to wait and see. Nate says he wants to be, and the best chance for that to happen is for the team to win a playoff series. That’s what we all should be rooting for, even if it means potentially 5 more years of being frustrated with Nate’s lineup decisions.
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We are all rooting for the same thing.
We are just discussing differences in how we think we best maximize our chances of success. I happen to agree with the author (and had a good laugh reading this as well).
The fact remains regardless of reg season effectiveness, role players struggle in the playoffs when their game is under the microscope (ie Rudy). Players that do well either have a huge array of options that you can’t completely limit (Roy), or sheer physicality to overcome you (Wallace, Oden). These players end up earning-or at least deserving more mins in the playoffs. That’s why Wallace should get those mins now. It might cost us a few games now but better now than April.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 6, 2011 12:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
if they start dropping games now
there may not be a late April, Portland’s playoff spot is by no means secured
the second half of the Charlotte game showed how the current rotation can work, if Nate keeps tinkering with it (to smooth hurt feelings) it could set the team back weeks
and they don’t have weeks to tinker with, just 20 more games
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That there are few games only makes it more important
And I don’t think we’d drop a huge number of games due to their learning to mesh. Especially not enough to drop out if the playoff picture.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 6, 2011 3:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed: Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle
We want to make a splash. And for that, we need Gerald Wallace integrated into the starting unit.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
yeah I agree with this.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace>Batum
Its pretty simple
OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Mar 6, 2011 4:02 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I get it
However, Nate is usually right about these things. Starting Blake made sense last year because Portland was coming off a season in which they had the best offense in the league with Blake starting at the point. Blake not shooting 42% from 3pt land and injuries to our primary ball handler in Roy made Miller the better fit in the end, but Nate coached a team with ridiculous injuries to 50 wins, which is amazing.
Wallace off the bench makes a lot of sense as he is versatile enough to play multiple positions, but more importantly, he’s a better fit. Batum’s 3pt shooting is needed in the starting five, while Wallace’s energy is needed off the bench.
No, Nate was wrong about Blake.
That much is clear as he corrected the situation later. He had reasonable rationale to play Blake, sure, but it was still the wrong move.
Still, Unless he promised dre the spot, I don’t think anyone is annoyed Blake began as starter. Egos, the reasons you provide & pot’l pressure from Roy all could come in to play there. The problem I had was how long it took him to adjust and fix the lineup to give us the best chance to win.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 6, 2011 12:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The way I remember it
It took a while for Nate to figure out how to use Miller, but even more so, it took Miller a long time to get in shape and figure out how to play within Nate’s system. So it wasn’t so much wrong to start Blake, but just taking time to get over the adjustment period with Andre (for which you could blame both parties on a personal level, but that’s a different story…).
In any case, when Miller was ready to take control of the team, he became the starter. When Blake was no longer needed because other players were stepping up, his minutes went down, which by the way happened before he was traded. Nate’s problem isn’t that he fails to listen to the fans who all want their favorite new player to start, it’s that his system is a difficult one to learn and add new players to.
Actually it took Dre blowing up at Nate and calling him out for Dre, the better player,
To get the starters minutes he deserved. Wallace is an all-star and needs to learn how to play with those that will be on the floor for most of the minutes. Conversely, Nic needs to learn how to be effective with his inevitable reduced role. I love Nic’s game but he is still young and inconsistent. I’m worried the current strategy isn’t the best thing for either player.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 5:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that was part of it
But can you really say Dre was playing well or playing his hardest at the start of the season? No way. He was out of shape and didn’t have his head on straight. What kind of coach rewards that?
That blow up was part of fixing the lines of communication, and I think BOTH coach and player learned something about the other that day, and that helped Dre play better on the court. The mistake Nate made wasn’t failing to give an out of shape, self-entitled player more minutes as a reward for bad play. It was failing to find a way to communicate with that player without having a big blow up where he had to scream at Dre “you don’t play the way we need you to play”.
For now, the team needs to win games to get in the playoffs and Wallace needs to learn the team’s plays. Him being first one off the bench seems like a great way to accomplish both. He seems to be able to handle it, so I don’t know why the fans can’t.
For now, the team needs to win games to get in the playoffs and Wallace needs to learn the team’s plays. Him being first one off the bench seems like a great way to accomplish both. He seems to be able to handle it, so I don’t know why the fans can’t.
this^
The media is trying to stir up controversy re: Crash, and all the arm-chair coaches have grabbed the bait and are running with it
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the media isn't driving my opinion on this thank you very much. I don't listen to sports radio round here too often.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
the media reads BE, too
and they start asking questions that Bedgers are posing, or they’ll run with the topic on talk radio for a segment or two. This lineup speculation seems innocent enough, but all the scuttlebutt does get back to the players via their friends and family.
So there’s a certain amount of give-and-take in all of this. McMillian and the rest of the players who have been working together since October don’t need the distraction (outside pressure, etc) of fans/media to constantly recommend lineup changes. Gerald Wallace doesn’t need to be put on the spot ether, a week after he joins a new team that’s in the middle of a playoff chase.
I don’t have any problem with Crash starting, I really don’t, But I’m not going to go into a tizzy because he’s coming off the bench for a few weeks, or start making up clever dialogue questioning Nate’s intelligence, all because I don’t think he knows how to get the most out of his own players.
In the end, critics with opinions don’t amount to much, because the coach is going to do what he thinks is best, and the rest of us are going to watch it all unfold. Fans will keep second-guessing and reporters will keep asking leading questions, hoping to land a juicy quote. It’s up to the coach and the players to filter out all of the chatter and focus in on their common goal. It’s their jobs and careers, not ours.
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a lot of these things seem like veiled insults, arm-chair coaches being manipulated by the media
and the media appealing to us, readers of BE and us being more than happy to eat it up. Like I said I don’t really listen to the radio that much, and am fully capable of coming to my own conclusions about this issue. I’m sorry if that opinion doesn’t line up with yours, but I don’t think my opinion should be conveniently aligned with what the media may be saying so that that can be used as a justification for why your opinion is correct. I’m an original person who is speaking my mind, not just an idiot, casual fan eating the pablum that our lovely FM radio personalities feeds to the masses.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
two4larue has stated many and opinion on many a topic on this site
,,, including who the Blazers should keep, go get, and play. Now he suggests that we should not challenge Nate on this. I see an inconsistency.
Okay, let’s say — and it is not me making personal this discussion, just trying to understand it — let’s consider the possibility that what he doesn’t like isn’t so much what I said but how I said it.
He doesn’t like me lampooning Nate. But am I? I think that Nate’s decision here, especially not starting Crash at home against his former team — does this remind anyone else of the slap in the face that PJ Carlesimo gave Jermaine O’Neal in front of his family on that road trip? And more especially, doesn’t this have that whole Andre Miller fiasco written all over it? The question I ask with this satire is: Am I the one bordering the absurd, or am I just one of the many pointing it out … in Nate’s own language?
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
I know when to pick my battles
If you want to choose a topic to question Nate’s decision-making, come up with a better reason than this. Not starting Wallace is weak sauce. You’re playing to the crowd and coming off sounding like Canzano, Lund or Quick
OTOH, if you want a good example of where McMillian has underachieved, take a look at his playoff record, and understand that it’s in the post season where NBA reputations are made or messed up. Not lineup/integration decisions in March, for goodness sakes!
Nate is nowhere close to being absurd, so you would be wise to back-pedal from your satire defense
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Don't count on it
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
It's a result of his reg season style.
Not playing a style conducive to playoff success regardless of pace. And fixing your lineup in march makes a lot more sense than waiting for playoffs. You have 25 games to fudge around with rather than 4 losses.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 8:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think my opinion should be conveniently aligned with what the media may be saying
The irony is, your opinion is in alignment with what the media has been alleging, whether you realize it or not. You are free to come to your own conclusions and express them here, I’m fully in favor of speculation. But I will express an opposite viewpoint just as vigorously, and try to offer perspective re: why the team (coach, front office, training staff, etc) is doing something that you or others are strongly objecting to.
Next week we may agree about another Blazer-related issue, I’ve found this to be the case with many Bedgers, over the years. I even agree with some of the media, from time to time…horrors!
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I'll totally allow it, but please don't suggest that that is where I am getting my ideas is all I'm trying to say.
It may be that it lines up, but I’m not just regurgitating what they are saying independently because I heard them say it. That’s the distinction.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
But they are regurgitating what we say...never doubt it
it’s a lot easier for the media to drop by BE everyday for ideas than to come up with their own
and most of the time they could care less if their “discussions” helps the team or not, as long as they’re driving ratings…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I want them to
Why not speak truth to power.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
oh, and it's all good. We're both fans who are passionate about our team, ain't nothing wrong with that!
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
that's fine, I just think you learn more by doing than seeing. It's not a big deal as long as they're winning and it works long term for the team.
I don’t always agree with Nate, and I don’t blame him for all of our chemistry issues either. I just think you have an established vet versus a young player who has shown flashes of brilliance as well as inconsistency. If it were me I would start Wallace, but I fully realize I’m not the coach and it’s not my decision. I can handle it just fine, I don’t have to agree with it though.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace will start, I can almost guarantee it
He’ll learn the plays and his teammates by “doing” … in practice and in coming off the bench for a few games. Then he will start. I’d bet lots of money that it even happens before the end of the regular season.
I get that people disagree with the Nate’s choice now, but I think most are simply failing to appreciate that there is a process at work here, because it mostly doesn’t happen during live games. They don’t see the playbook and the practices and the strategy sessions where one of the most structured NBA offenses gets put together and refined, and they assume a major change should just happen instantly.
oh I'm sure Wallace will eventually start, but in particular I feel that the team seems to pay the least attention to what the SF position is doing in our offense.
Historically it’s been, “Hey SF, go be a decoy cutter then go hide in the corner, maybe you’ll get a chance to shoot a three.” Which I guess is fine for guys like Marty or Nic who, unless they catch fire, could very easily disappear and not be very aggressive getting their own looks. Right now though, we have an opportunity with a player in Gerald Wallace who does look to get his own shots and is generally more aggressive than Nico, to really make a big impact at that position night in and night out and we might have to wait until the end of the regular season? I guess you’re right, I don’t get it.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Good point: Nate's system need to accomodate the talent
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
has Nate ever had a Wallace-like SF in his starting lineup?
AK1984 could better answer this question re: McMillian’s time in Seattle. (I remember Rashard Lewis was a long-range shooter.) With Portland Nate has used Roy as the primary scorer, and tried to establish a post game with LMA…or Oden when he was healthy
Perhaps the reason wants Wallace to come off the bench and be the inside threat at the 4 is because is system is set up that way, and he doesn’t want to change it to accommodate Crash during a stretch run?
We can debate whether Nate will ever change his system to accommodate Wallace’s game at SF (I think I already know AKs response to that…) but if McMillian is extended we’ll just have to wait until after the lockout to see how that all works out.
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*his
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
He already had a meeting with Wallace and stated his desire to accomodate his different skill set
So, yes, plan on changes.
Bu the only way we get Wallace incorporated is to incorporate him. There isn’t alot of practice time in the active back-to-back NBA season.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
but the only way to incorporate Gerald
isn’t necessarily as part of the stating lineup
I’ve seen Wallace take the ball from 10-12 feet away and drive a few times. It’s a little different than what LMA does, but not all that much
and it’s this “inside post game” that Nate typically expects out of his PF, not his wings. So the big change isn’t to Wallace’s game per se, but what position he plays while on offense—and when he enters the game
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Not at the talent level of GW, no.
His 3s were usually shooters like Lewis and Radmanovich. Damien Wilkins is also another name that I could think of, and he was mostly a spot-up shooter with some penetrations sprinkled in, but he was rather awful. Also, Nate liked to use either Lewis or Radman at the stretch 4 spot as well in the crunch time.
The cake was a lie.
Hmm, Nate McMillan used Desmond Mason a fair amount for a couple ...
of seasons in Seattle. While Mason was a swingman instead of a combo forward like Gerald Wallace, he nevertheless played with similar reckless abandon on offense. On an interesting note, though, Mason shot way, way more 3PT attempts per 36 minutes while in Seattle than he did anywhere else in his career.
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It's not like Wallace isn't playing
It’s like a straw man party around here. Nobody said don’t play Wallace and take advantage of what he does. I’m saying two things:
1) that the process of bringing Wallace into the structure of the offense (less so on defense) takes time, which is why the starting lineup as is will probably be more effective, and why it then makes sense for Nate to leave it intact until he feels like Wallace has the familiarity play within the system effectively, since the team is in the middle of the playoff hunt.
2) That starting Wallace isn’t the only way to get that familiarity, contrary to popular belief. Wallace is going to learn how to be a Blazers in practice, in the film room and coming off the bench.
What I’m saying you and others don’t get (your words) are those two things. People think the system should change (see comment below) or that a new player can just jump in and instantly it will work, or that there is no other way for a player to learn a system other than in the first and last 8 minutes of every half of live games (see your comment). Some teams can do it that way, but the Blazers have a structured system that works very well when everyone gets it (#1 offense in the league two years ago) but takes a lot of time to learn (“like drinking from a fire hose” said Brian Skinner).
by sanjait on Mar 6, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
okay, I did say I don't get it, but I'm not sure it was in the context that you want to represent it as
my question is, if the offensive system is so complex, how come Camby was so easily integrated into the lineup last year, or how was Wesley integrated so easily this year but Rudy hasn’t managed to be integrated as a starter in three years? Also, do the first and second unit’s run the same offensive sets, or are they different because of the differing levels of talent at different positions in the separate units?
You seem to want to presume a lot about the complexity of Nate’s offense, while trying to project that other people don’t understand much about what the team does. Did NY wait to play Carmelo, or NJ wait to play DWill, or any other team that traded for a player one year out of an all-star game start the guy off the bench? Is Wallace out of shape, or is he a head case or is he dumb? Do you think it should take him weeks to play with the team’s first unit? I think he could be making strides in learning the system now, but think that what you are proposing is holding him back from understanding how to play with the starting unit which is a different offensive system from the second, like nearly all NBA systems, employed to give the team a different look and have a change of pace.
So if he will inevitably start, which you said you thought he would, why delay the inevitable? We don’t have to agree on this, but lets not turn this into a pissing contest about who is smarter.
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by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Camby was so easily integrated into the lineup last year
he wasn’t at first, the team lost the first 2 games after the trade and 3 out of 5 (someone in the media told me that, BTW) Marcus is a good passer and he doesn’t require a lot of shots, and he was replacing Juwan Howard—no one was questioning Nate’s about that decision!
how was Wesley integrated so easily this year but Rudy hasn’t managed to be integrated as a starter in three years?
That’s a good question. I don’t think starting means as much to Rudy as it does to Wesley. The surprising exodus of Roy from the lineup altogether left a cavern and Matthews was immediately pretty effective (at least, he had some big scoring games) OTOH, Rudy has never taken the bull by the horns as a starter, but he does enjoy playing along side uptempo guards like Sergio and Patty
do the first and second unit’s run the same offensive sets, or are they different because of the differing levels of talent at different positions in the separate units?
As I understand it, Nate put in some “new” sets during training camp—and in retrospect it’s a good thing he did—because no one expected Brandon to be out so long, back in October.
I think the sets are designed to take advantage of mismatches, but in general Nate would prefer his wing players to spread the floor, and to play inside out. I don’t think he’s ever had a SF slasher like Wallace, and it’s going to be interesting to see if Gerald changes Nate, or if Nate changes Gerald, or exactly where the two men meet in the middle.
why delay the inevitable?
For the good of the team, to maintain continuity, and to spread out the scoring over 48 minutes. Nate may have other/better reasons, but I think the answer falls into one of those categories
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But he was integrated into the starting line-up ASAP
And Wallace is better.
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are you talking about Camby?
the team was in desperate need of a center—Juwan Howard was starting at the 5
this season, the need has been consistent bench scoring; there is no real controversy here re: what Nate is doing with Crash
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For Gerald Wallace, he'd be much better off playing the 4 for Nate ...
McMillan. There’s no way Wallace would get used to his fullest extent at the 3, which is no big deal anyhow due to the current minute crunch at the wings. After this season, however, Wallace will need to split time at both forward positions — especially if Greg Oden can return healthy and LaMarcus Aldridge moves back to playing heavier minutes at the 4 spot — thus, that could cause a clash between Sarge and Crash when it comes to style of play.
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Crash-LMA-Oden could be a blessing, and a curse
great defense and rebounding, but (as usual) there’s only one ball on offense and unless both guards are great floor spreaders the opponents are going to keep the paint really packed in
I guess we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it…it would be better to have a healthy Greg than not to have him
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No pissing contest, just answering your own questions and comments directly
All I did was clarify my own point and answer your sarcastic comment in a direct and non-sarcastic way … and now I’m starting a pissing contest. Awesome. Be aggrieved if you want, but I don’t think it’s justified.
Anyway:
1) camby wasn’t easily integrated last year, but we had such a gaping hole at C that there wasn’t any other viable option.
2) Wesley had summer and training camp to integrate. Like I said, practice and film sessions are where things get learned, and that’s what training camp is in huge doses.
3) Rudy. What? He’s not the starter because other guys are ahead of him.
4) The second unit does run mostly the same sets. This can be comically bad, as in when we got 6’5" Ruben Patterson trying to be a post-up PF when he subbed in for Zach Randolph, but it is nevertheless true. A major drawback of a heavily structured offense is lack of flexibility…
5) Melo/NY and D-Will/NJ are just different cases. First, nice try on trying to draw an equivalence with Gerald Wallace and those players by describing them as guys “one year out of an all-star game”. It’s pretty obvious those are superstar players, and Wallace isn’t. That’s not equivalent. Plus, the teams they went to aren’t in equivalent circumstances. Different coaches, different playbooks, different rosters, different priorities. But if you want an example of a good player off the bench on a contender behind a much lesser caliber player, look at Mike Bibby in Miami. That’s the most analogous situation…
6) You ask the question “do you think it would take him (Wallace) weeks to learn to play with the first unit”, and my answer is no, not many weeks. But i think Wallace is learning what he must know as a prerequisite to effective integration with the first unit by studying the playbook and coming off the bench to exercise those plays. His minutes and role will gradually grow (which we can already see happening), and evetually he will make the switch. You don’t have to agree with it, but all I’m saying is there is a logic to the process that you guys seemed to consistently overlook.
Wesley had summer and training camp to integrate.
Don’t forget that Matthews had a sore achilles during the preseason that limited his PT. He didn’t really get it going until he joined the starting lineup in December
Where would this team be without We$ and LMA?
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I'm over it
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by Tyler Durrden on Mar 11, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Some-one GETS it...clap-clap, clap-clap-clap
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we also had the slowest offense two years ago, something that is near polar opposite of what we are doing now.
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by Tyler Durrden on Mar 6, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
well not polar opposite re: pace
I’ve enjoyed more movement on offense, but I’m not convinced that Wallace is going to fit right in with the starters and keep the ball moving, at least not right away
Miller and Camby are good for ball-movement and creativity; Batum and Matthews swing the ball and make cuts, as well.
LMA has been the hub, it’s worked pretty well. Maybe not recently, but Marcus was out for awhile and the last game things looked like they were starting to click again in the 2nd half.
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Unlike Marcus Camby, Gerald Wallace can stretch the court by ...
being a long-distance threat and, moreover, put the ball on the floor for the occasional dribble-drive move. For Camby, the only thing he can do from the high-post is the sporadic high-low pass inside.
Beyond that, Camby is pretty much a do-nothing offensively and, as a result, a hindrance on that end of the court. Right now, here’s my feeling on how playing time should be distributed on the frontline:
FIRST & THIRD QUARTERS
First Six Minutes
C: LaMarcus Aldridge
PF: Gerald Wallace
Last Six Minutes
C: LaMarcus Aldridge
PF: Marcus Camby
SECOND & FOURTH QUARTERS
First Four Minutes
C: Marcus Camby
PF: Gerald Wallace
Last Eight Minutes
C: LaMarcus Aldridge
PF: Gerald Wallace
As it is, I trust the stamina and endurance of Aldridge and Wallace to start and play somewhere in the vicinity of 36 to 40 minutes per game. For Camby, that’d leave him with approximately 20 minutes per game off the bench with the second unit.
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This season, Portland is once again 30th in pace factor.
Increased ball movement — which I think is overstated, as there was plenty of ball reversal in past seasons — doesn’t equal a faster pace.
The most extreme example of this can be seen at the college level at Wisconsin, as Bo Ryan’s swing offense is extraordinarily slow-paced and heavily predicated on ball movement.
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you have an established vet versus a young player who has shown flashes of brilliance as well as inconsistency.
Would it improve Nic’s consistency to bring him off the bench? Would his new role as a reserve improve the bench’s play?
Oh, but BE is not focused on that, we’re trying to find a way to get Wallace into the starting lineup, asap
Nate has to consider the impact of both areas, not just one. The bench has been in need of a consistent go-to guy, all year. Batum was tried in that role earlier and (no big surprise, he’s 22) he didn’t assertively take charge and start averaging double-figures. Neither did Matthews. Neither has Roy, since Brandon returned from his knee surgery. So Nate’s trying Wallace in that role, because the coach already has enough scoring in his starting lineup (or he did have, before the all-star break)
Does this mean Nic is “better” than Crash? Just the opposite—Nate thinks Wallace has what it takes to succeed where the other Blazer wings have fallen short—and for the good of the team I hope it works out.
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Like Lamar Odom for the Lakers
seems kind of similar to me
Who is ignoring batum? I addressed it.
Let’s play a matching game. Match letters to numbers for likely best on court chemistry.
1) Roy
2) Andre miller
A)batum
B) crash
That’s the abridged version
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...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 9:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like how there are two arguments here, the first says that we want to bring Crash along gradually and let him learn the new system slowly
while the other is he is better off the bench because he can give us a scoring punch. Don’t these things contradict each other? If he’s unfamiliar with our system, how does making him a focal point of a unit be it starting or second help him acclimate? And if he’s unfamiliar with the system how is he going to provide this scoring punch in the second unit if he doesn’t know where he’s supposed to be, or how to run the plays?
Listening to Nate’s pregame comments gave me pause today. He was asked if Gerald Wallace would get into the starting rotation. His response was, “We want to bring him in slowly, and we don’t want to shake up the chemistry of the first unit that’s been pretty good for us so far this year.” which is fine, I guess. What made me question things was when he said, “With so few games left this year it’s going to be difficult to get him into that lineup.” and then, “We’ve got BRoy coming in off the bench and he’s an all-star. It’s a role he might not be comfortable with either.”
First, they were both all-stars last year, and second it doesn’t sound to me like Nate is looking to get Crash into the starting lineup this year, if he’s talking about bringing him up to speed slowly and how short a season we have left to play.
Isn’t there something to be said for integrating a guy in a position where he is not expected to produce instantly? Is he Lamar Odom for us yet? Or Ginobli? Start him slow in the system and ask him to produce right away? Sounds like a good plan.
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by Tyler Durrden on Mar 7, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Nate comments are what I expected
It’s late in the season, the starting lineup has built up their chemistry and had success, and Wallace can learn “the system” just as quickly coming off the bench as he would starting, without the risk of messing up the flow of the starters. He and Roy can still finish games, as we saw against the Magic
As far as expecting Gerald to produce right away, I think we saw a little of what that may mean tonight. Crash caught the ball 15-20 feet away from the basket and in typical Wallace fashion, made a beeline to the front of the rim. He basically dares the opponent to stand in his way and take the charge, and he puts the pressure on the ref to make the call. There’s nothing subtle about this, and there’s nothing really to teach Gerald other than to pick his spots and keep hammering away at the opposition (not unlike Bayless last year.) Portland has needed this kind of player, Matthews has provided some of the same penetrating ability, but Crash is inexorable
So Roy and Wallace can split 6th man duties, and the bench now has more consistent scoring than it’s had all season. Camby is back in the starting lineup collecting 10 rebounds in 15 minutes—what’s not to like?
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Miller doesn't kill his body during the offseason
That is why he is the ironman of the NBA. Unlike Roy who thrashed himself for Nate. Sorry, but true.
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Miller played bad when he first came to Portland
That’s the truth that people seem to forget when they talk about the great injustice Nate inflicted on him by not starting him. Dre came out of shape to what was the league’s #1 offense and expected to be the starter, and instead of proving Nate wrong for not starting him, he spent the first part of the season pouting.
By the way, Roy’s had knee problems all his life, and he never worked that hard in the offseason compared to most NBA stars, so I think you are reaching on that one.
you can remember Andre that way, if you want
but I remember Miller back in Nov-Dec 2009 as the one guy who found a way to get Oden involved in the offense, and Greg was one of the most efficient scorers in the league before he broke his kneecap
now Dre’s been doing the same thing for LMA—Aldridge should have made the ASG and won WC player of the month
The rest f the NBA knows that Miller is no slouch. Nate had his reasons for starting Blake, it was only all the injuries and the need for KP to trade Steve’s EC for Camby that “changed” McMillian’s mind. Nate said he still thought his initial decision to bring Miller off the bench was correct, during an interview last May
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Thank you, perfect, yes!
And Nate was wrong then, too.
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So Nate is always wrong?
It must be so easy for you to keep score, when there are no gray areas to explore
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When did he say Nate is always wrong? This is comparing two situations where he thought he was, not every situation.
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by Tyler Durrden on Mar 7, 2011 6:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You still don't get it.
Look completely unbiased. Last year were we better with Andre or Blake at PG? LT is saying it wad Dre. That means—by fiat Dre was the right play. It doesn’t mean Nate didn’t have reasons or even logical ones. It just means he picked wrong. And again noones mad about that. It’s that it took him so long to realize it.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 9:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tell me if you get this point or not bc I've said it several Ted and it is the crux of mine and likely Lao's position
If you don’t understand maybe j can explain in a different way.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 9:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No response. Rules of debate say that if he has no answer he loses the point.
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meanwhile
Roy and Wallace continue to come off the bench
So, there is no debate
And you have 2 more seasons to question Nate’s lineups and rotations, using all means of literary devices at your disposal
But you can’t win because…you’re not really in the game
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The funny thing is two days later: Crash is starting in place of camby.
But you still didn’t answer my question above and I put it quite simply and courteously. do you understand our argument and if so, please paraphrase because the way you are responding continues to skew what we are saying. The fact you say there is no debate BECAUSE roy and wallace continue to come off the bench does not in any way undermine our argument that Nate is slow to make changes that should be made.
And, the irony is that tonight he is starting crash (though possibly due to Camby being <100%).
So again, please, if you do understand what LaoTzu and I are arguing, please say so and paraphrase it. If not, please say so and I will try to think up another way to phrase it.
PS this isn’t a contest to win or lose. we are all blazers fans and sharing our opinions.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
It's not my recollection, it's in the numbers
Dre’s lowest FG shooting, assist rate and even rebounding rates (yes, per 48 minutes) of the year were OCT-NOV-DEC of that year. His highest 3-point attempts months were also those months, which is a bad thing…
He played legitimately, measurably badly, even while the team played reasonably well according to the win-loss column. But you can remember it however you want..
Those numbers mean so very little, now
But as he found out last season with Andre Miller, his coaching style sometimes needs adapting.
It was the first week in January last season and McMillan remembers being alone in his West Linn home, sitting on his sofa, chagrined.
Earlier in the day, he had a long, heated and pointed argument with Miller in front of the team.
…
"I just remembered sitting on my sofa, just thinking about it, because I felt bad about it,’’ McMillan said. "I really questioned myself about trying to change people. It’s not that I was wrong, or he was wrong, but it was like, where do we go from here?’’
That’s when McMillan realized he and Miller were essentially the same person. They could co-exist because they were so alike.
"I was like, I’ll be damned. We have a lot of things in common. We both just like to come to work and get our work done. Not talk a lot. Just go about our business.,’’ McMillan said. "I wanted him to lead and take the team by the reins and be vocal, but I had to realize he does do that, but in his own way.’’
The two let down their guard, and today both claim a mutual respect.
"I told him when I first sat down with him that I liked his style of coaching,’’ Miller said. "I think I know a good coach from a coach that’s not so good, and he definitely teaches the game the right way. Our guys are continuing to play hard and continuing to practice hard, because there is a level of respect there. When you have that respect, guys continue to work, and that says something about his character as a coach that he can get that out of his players.’’
All’s well that ends well. New Blazer players don’t always plug right into Nate’s system and start producing immediately. We’ve seen this with rookies and veterans, alike. But the coach does tend to draw the best out of most of them—and he generally puts them into situations where they can succeed—as long as they are sharing the ball and helping the team win games. Like Miller has done. From day 1.
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And you could argue for crash:
He’s a slasher and a runner who likely doesn’t mesh with Roy as well as Batum would, and that his running above the rim style works better with Dre. And that his defense would be be a lot more useful against, say Kobe instead of Shannon Brown.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 6, 2011 12:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Could go either way, when yer comparing which unit line-up meshes together best...
Batum works well on the first unit because Andre doesn’t shoot the three (or long jumpers) very well and we need more shooters.
Baturm would work well with the second unit and Roy because Roy likes to have shooters to kick it out to.
Wallace would work well on the first unit because … he’s consistently awesome, more so than Nic.
Wallace would work well on the second unit because we need someone to create their own shots off the bench and provide a blast of offense, a-la-Travis Outlaw.
But there’s also the concern of losing yer rhythm and not getting a flow when yer consistently coming off the bench. I would think that, through his 10 year career, Wallace has earned the right to get the starting role immediately, with the risk of being demoted to the bench if he can’t handle the job.
Just out of curiosity, (when applicable) how are the other coaches handling their new all-star trade acquisitions?
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by Sheedwasright on Mar 6, 2011 7:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1.
Tiebreaker for me is defense. Wallace>batum defensively. He should be the starter now. Maybe not in two years or even next year. But now, he’s better fit to start.
Ps most traded stars that come to my mind are better than crash so while those I recall have mostly started pretty quickly, I can’t think of a comparable case. Maybe hedo starting for suns?
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...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 9:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Open question: With the few players we have, is there a second unit???
I think that everybody will have to learn to play with everybody, Miller and Patty aside.
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During practices, yes
During games, no. Their minutes all overlap. Camby and Wallace may not play together as much as the others, but that’s about it
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You admit that it is a timing issue. But Nate has stated that he thinks Wallace coming off the bench is a better fit.
Nate is doing his Andre Miller dance all over again. THAT’s a problem. THAT’s what spurred this piece.
Not timing. Whether Wallace should start, at all.
Which, I hope you will find a way to agree with, is in fact absurd.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
No, the Miller dance was completely different
the only similarities are
Nate
the Blazers
the incoming player is not starting as soon as some fans and the media think he should be
Now let’s list the differences
Miller is a PG, Wallace is a 3-4
Andre was signed as a FA in July, Wallace was acquired with 25 games remaining in the season
The team’s superstar really liked playing with Blake
Nate wanted his bench to play uptempo, he thought Andre could lead that unit
now Nate thinks his bench needs a low-post threat (go-to guy, finisher)
Andre was always a starting PG, Crash came off the bench earlier in his career
BTW, Nate didn’t leave Miller exclusively on the bench until the Blake trade. When Batum went out with a sore shoulder, Miller played alongside Roy and Blake, the team defense improved and the W-L record was 7-2. At the time, many thought the 3-guard lineup was absurd, but it was just a sign of more small-ball lineups yet to come.
All’s well that end’s well re: Miller and Nate, and it will be with Wallace in the future. Rushing the process is like helping a butterfly out of his cocoon prematurely. You think you’re doing him a favor by pointing out the more-expedient solution, but he will never fly without the struggle to make the adjustment
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He played 2pg.
I think you’re saying the same thing. Nate had his reasons to play Blake but it was not the right move. I’m defining right move by the move that maximizes our chance to win. He eventually made the change. I don’t have a problem with the way things played out at first (if dre wasn’t given assurances when he signed). I had a problem with how long it took him to make the change. I just think Nate has a pattern of being slow to make changes. The only exception that comes to mind ironically is starting batum early his rookie season.
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...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 8:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I just think Nate has a pattern of being slow to make changes.
I agree with this, and it’s much more critical in a playoff series than when integrating new personnel
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agree completely about the playoffs
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...no seriously--stop.
That would be my biggest criticism of his coaching.
Overall I think he is definitely an asset though.
Dunk
by Billy Ray Bates on Mar 7, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
2nd unit is and had always been a myth. At least when it comes to playoffs
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...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 8:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
it all depends.
is nate just waiting a few more games to put him into the starting lineup? if so, then no big deal, although i agree with laotzu that he might as well have done it from the start.
however, if nate is really trying to push wallace off the bench for the rest of the year and into the playoffs, then its a different argument and i think it’s a big mistake.
you can always make the argument that starting an inferior player to improve your bench could ultimately make the team better. but that superior player who gets benched isn’t going to respect the decision if he’s never given the opportunity to prove otherwise.
Has anyone heard what Gerald has to say on this?
While I am confident that Wallace wants to start as soon as possible, it is interesting to look at some of the arguments on how Nate should be using Wallace and compare them to what Wallace himself has said. Sorry, I don’t have a link, but I believe it was in an interview with 95.5 last week… He basically said that he is not wanting them to disrupt what they are doing, and doesn’t want them to run plays for him. He said that his teammates should let him know if he’s in the way, so he knows not to be there next time, but they should not be adjusting their game to him. He said that this summer and next fall will be the time to figure out how to incorporate the offense to him, but for now he needs to just stay out of everyone else’s way.
Basically, Gerald isn’t expecting or wanting to have his number called. He is planning on coming in as a “clean up” type of player. Rebound missed shots… Create his own off of broken plays… Lock down an opposing player that is getting hot. He sees himself as a bit of a “specialist” for the rest of this year. Does that scream out starter or sixth man to you? Wallace knows he’s here for a while, and his time will come soon. He doesn’t want to disrupt anything.
On a side note…. Remember last season when Aldridge was rarely aggressive enough on offense? Nate would often call LMA’s number the first couple plays of each half, trying to get him going. If Batum is going to remain the starter, is there any reason not to do the same with him? Get him involved early and see if that increases his early game focus?
by Rodney Gustafson on Mar 7, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions
It says hustle scrap and selflessness. It says defense first and team ball. You tell me where you would want your best defensive wing who is looking for everyone elses shot. Starting or bench?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 7, 2011 9:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
For the record, I do think Wallace should start ASAP...
I just think that if Wallace isn’t advocating for himself on this, Nate may stay with the status quo for as long as possible.
by Rodney Gustafson on Mar 7, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

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