westbrook had 5 fouls with 6 minutes left in the game
I'm sorry, but I have to vent a little bit about this game. Russell Westbrook had 5 fouls with 6 minutes left in the game. Did the Blazers not know about this? Did Mike and Mike fail to mention this to Nate McMillan? I know it was an ESPN game...does that mean they didn't travel with the team?
Andre Miller with all his veteran savvy should have tried to take it right at Westbrook as soon as Westbrook picked up his fifth foul and Scottie Brooks left him in there. From what I saw, Westbrook didn't take a step back on his defense either so he could have easily been forced into a 6th foul. I've seen Miller do this before, so was it just that he didn't know Westbrook had 5 fouls?
argh!
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i was frustrated by this as well
the last 6 minutes it’s seems like the Blazers were so focused on trying to feed Wallace, they forgot about taking it at Russel, or running other stuff as well.
In the end, that 2nd quarter was just too much to overcome, and our old nemesis of defensive rebounding haunted us again.
I’m not afraid to play OKC in the playoffs, but I’d still prefer Dallas. I’d take the Spurs 3rd, maybe higher depending on their health. Looks highly unlikely we will get the 5th seed anyway, so we really just have to focus on not finishing 7th. Playing the Lakers is the worst spot for us by far.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Westbrook made what...three 3s during those last 6 minutes?
Prior to those last 6 minutes of the game, he wasn’t having an outstanding offensive production scoring wise.
It should have been that 3rd quarter was too much for OKC to overcome.
Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10
by Tofu Anonymous on Mar 27, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
the last 6 minutes it’s seems like the Blazers were so focused on trying to feed Wallace
For once (other than Roy, in the past) Nate was trying to ride the hot hand, but Wallace had already heat-checked and come up empty, it was clear he was spent by the end of the game
Despite Perkins flat-out beasting it the paint, the game was there to be won if the Blazers could only draw a 6th foul on RW. Instead, they switched big men onto him and let him bomb away—like Jamal Crawford, Russell always shoots lights-out against Portland
It’s hard to compete when you’re so badly out-played at the PG and C positions. Miller used get in Westbrook’s head, and LMA used to take it to Jeff Green, those days are gone.
Man, I hate losing to the Sonics. They’re like the picked-on little brother who grew up and now has payback on his mind…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Just more ways that good strategies are not utilized-- like line-ups and benching hot players.
It’s baffling.
It's not really that baffling...
There are numerous strategies a coach can employ during a game. If a team wins, the strategy looks good but it does not mean another strategy could have worked just as well.
In this case, LA and Wallace were just about all that was working tonight and instead of trying to force feed Miller, who had a few nice shots but just didn’t have it going, Nate chose to run through them. If he had gone away from them and they had lost, he would be criticized for going away from the hot hand.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Mar 27, 2011 9:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think we could have tried it a few times.
I don’t think the idea was to go to miller constantly. Miller may have an advantage when his man is trying not to foul out. You certainly have a point as well. I like how you stated your view without calling someone else dumb.
by JeffePortland on Mar 27, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
It might have helped to see what would have come about. That strategy does backfire too. A team has some good things going for it and switches up to try to get someone to foul out and they lose their rhythm.
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i agree
westbrook was killing us, miller excels in the post, westbrook had 5 fouls
I'm not a fan of Mike Barrett
blazers record with wallace starting: 5-1
i don't hate the heat
he still excels in the post
I'm not a fan of Mike Barrett
blazers record with wallace starting: 5-1
i don't hate the heat
by thomasikehara on Mar 28, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Miller shooting bad is even more of a reason to go this route. With 5 fouls it’s not like Westbrook would have been playing great d on him.
by hoodieNation on Mar 28, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
When He Had 5 Fouls He Was No Threat To Drive
So why was he open to take those threes? THAT’S what I don’t understand.
He’s not going to put himself in a situation where he might foul out with 5 minutes left in the game. Of course he was going to go “Bombs Away”. Why was he given the space to be open to shoot a three?
When they were giving Westbrook space I was yelling at the TV — which actually did not influence the players at all.
For all the gtreat defense we played at times in this game,the team did a bunch of stupid stuff. Those are the things that prevent a team from advancing to the second round.
We should have been daring Westbrook to drive — not to take a 3 Pointer.
That's a great point.
Can we just clone Wallace already?
by JeffePortland on Mar 27, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
…I was yelling at the TV — which actually did not influence the players at all.
Are you sure about this?
You can stop if you want, but I’m gonna keep trying.
Stealth > Wealth
by 500dogs on Mar 27, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
this^
it was Nate’s switch-all-screens strategy, OKC knew Portland would do it so they kept running the PnR with their big men so Russell was defended by a Blazer big man, who naturally sagged off him
letting a 32% shooter bomb away from behind the arc is a good strategy, unless it’s Russell who shot 80% against Portland (as usual)
2008 draft, Westbrook instead of Bayless. Portland never seems to wind up on the winning side of the PG derby
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
and how exactly were we supposed to re-do that 2008 draft?
last time I checked, Sonics took Westbrook 4th and we were sitting at 11th
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
we were at 13 and traded up to 11 in a Bayless-Rush swap if I'm not mistaken
but your point remains
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
We can't redo it
but Bayless was ranked as high as 4, heading into the day
I’m not saying KP did bad or should’ve done something different, I’m just lamenting the buzzard’s luck of drafting the “wrong” guy
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
of course if they had taken Bayless at #4
we’d have less faith in (and may not even have) Cho as our GM, and there’s no guarantee we would have wound up with Westbrook anyway. Let’s just hope that he can deliver the Blazers their own version of Westbrook…this offseason would be nice.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Mar 28, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
but isn't that a bit silly?
drafting the “wrong” guy at 11 because the “right” guy went 4th? I mean, you could just as easily say we drafted the wrong guy by not picking Rose, who went 1st. it’s the same argument, and rather pointless.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
It's a reoccuring Blazer theme
Westbrook had some question marks after leaving UCLA, but OKC saw enough in Russell to pick him #4 and he’s developed into a quality starting NBA PG (and a bonafide Blazer killer)
Portland has had their opportunites to draft PGs for years, but their prospects always seem to come up short, regardless of where they draft ‘em (or, they’ve traded down in 2005 because they already had Telfair, or not drafted a 1st round PG in 2009 because they already had Bayless)
It’s either buzzard’s luck or poor scouting/coaching/development, and you can call me anything you want to for complaining about this woeful franchise track record
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Win some, lose some
I don’t think anyone gets this right all of the time. We have come up big in drafts, and come up short, just like OKC (or Sonics).
Now WRT trading, I think we are > .500 on trades, and that makes me happy since trading is mostly involving known quantities and the draft has a higher degree of unknowns.
Westbrook is an incredible player. OKC is fortunate to have him. They are probably jealous that we picked up Gerald Wallace. :-)
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by Rogue Blazer on Mar 28, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
well I'm jealous they picked up Kendrick Perkins
so the ad is in their court
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
just to be clear
I agree completely with the frustration about our inability to draft/develop a good point guard since 1984, I just think, bemoaning Bayless/Westbrook is the wrong target. We had no opportunity at all to get Westbrook, so it’s silly to consider him “lost”
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
missed opportunities, real and imagined
Rose was unattainable, but if KP had targeted Westbrook there was a small chance he could have traded up, if he and Allen were willing to sacrifice significant assets
the Blazer’s scouts were also supposedly high on DJ Augustine prior to the draft, after he visited the PF. Bayless did not work out for Portland as it was assumed he would be drafted higher
Again, I’m bemoaning the fact that the draft gods have thrown the Blazers the leftovers re: PGs for the past 20 years (either that, or the franchise is deplorable when it comes to scouting and developing one, since Porter) This “curse” is nearly as strong as the center drafted high injury bug, but it’s rarely talked about.
If there was a real missed opportunity in the last couple of years, it was KP’s failure to trade up in 2009. Maybe he moved up to select Collision and missed by one draft slot, or perhaps he didn’t think he needed another PG after drafting Jerryd the year before. Either way, Mills and Johnson became the latest in a long line of PG hopefulls who have come and gone from the Blazer’s organization. Since the mid ’80s, only Robert Pack and Alvin Williams have had decent NBA careers
There has to be some way to reverse this karma. Or (as I’ve suggested in the past) they should leave off drafting small guards altogether and trade for already-established NBA PGs, like they did with Blake and ’Dre
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I renounce the curse!
Brandon Roy is The Man Your Man Could Smell Like
by Rogue Blazer on Mar 28, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
or guys like rod and damon
I'm not a fan of Mike Barrett
blazers record with wallace starting: 5-1
i don't hate the heat
by thomasikehara on Mar 29, 2011 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Rod? yes
Damon? not so much. Mighty Mouse was similar to MIlls, a SG in a PG’s body. They both have trouble defending penetrations and post ups
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
i guess i trying to continue your thought of the blazers always getting their point guards through FA and trade
I'm not a fan of Mike Barrett
blazers record with wallace starting: 5-1
i don't hate the heat
by thomasikehara on Mar 29, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hopeful AJ will break through
but it would be silly to “count on” Armon being the starting PG in 2-3 years, given the team’s developmental track record at the 1
If Cho can land Wallace for Dante and a dinged up Przy, what kind of a PG deal can he put together, when the time comes?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
i say get iggy
and make him the PG
iggy, wes, crash, LMA, Oden
no one scoring on that
I'm not a fan of Mike Barrett
blazers record with wallace starting: 5-1
i don't hate the heat
by thomasikehara on Mar 29, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
you and AK1984
should start a letsgetiggywithit website
Iguodala has a long-large contract and reported knee tendinitis last week
I’m inclined to stay away from Andre02 and take my chances with Matthews-Batum-Wallace at the wing positions
but that’s me…the Blazers haven’t been mentioned in any trade rumors re: Iggy so I suspect their AI interest is tepid, at best
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he is also have a termendous season
I'm not a fan of Mike Barrett
blazers record with wallace starting: 5-1
i don't hate the heat
by thomasikehara on Mar 31, 2011 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The Blazers wanted Westbrook but couldn't make it happen.
What assets could they have traded back then? He was impressing everybody in his workouts if I remember correctly. Bayless was an afterthought and didn’t even workout with the Blazers. Pretty sure Channing Frye put in a good word for him.
Gerald Wallace was fighting through the screens on PnR’s that game.
The closeout on Westbrook’s dagger three looked pretty decent for a guy who isn’t known as a shooter.
The Dos Equis guy lives life like Chip Kelly calls plays.
westbrook and durant took so many terrible jumpers.
the problem was that westbrook’s were going in!
I have to say the refs swallowed their whistles as well.
It’s hard to foul a guy out when the refs refuse to call anything in the last 5 minutes. I mean NBA.com has the turning point being that block by Perkins on Wallace. That was clearly a foul. I mean If they aren’t going to call obvious fouls on layups why would they foul out Westbrook?
I wathced the ESPN Coverage
and Jeff Van Gundy was extolling that foul by Perkins on Wallace which led to a four point swing. The ensuing possesion where Lma hit two FTs would have tied the game rather than brought us within 4.
My main beef is a carry over concern from the SA game. When Spurs players drove to the hoop the remaining spurs pivoted positions so that they always had a clear line to the player with the ball and a open shot at the hoop. The Blazers however in both game just stand when someone drives and so passing lanes don’t open up; instead we gave up steals. Nate really needs to correct this detail. Blazersplayers need to move when someone drives. Three gus should shift along the 3pt line and another player needs to follow towards the rim for the handoff/follow-up dunk. This is a weakness in our current offense which has cost us multiple possesions in the last two games.
That's what I kept saying
A ref imposed four point swing with about a minute left is a killer. I thought that foul called on wallace when he took the ball from kd and was on his way in the open court was another four point swing
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
Officiating bias will get OKC and LA out of the first round.
It also helps when a bad long range shooter goes unconscious from behind teh arc. The momentum shifted on the no call on Perkins “block” and signaled to the Blazers that would would receive no help from the refs. Then the Perkins and-one that took away the foul to give told the team that the Thunder would get help. I think at this point the Blazers started to doubt that they were going to win the game.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Mar 28, 2011 10:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the and-1 call was pretty weak considering the level of physical play allowed all game
i watched the play a couple times and was hard pressed to find much of a foul. as for the wallace drive, he got fouled twice – once on the reach by KD and again on the “block”. but in real time, the block looked good to me, so I’m willing to give the official a break on that one a bit, it was a tough play to see/call.
there were some bad calls (both ways), and it never helps when they come at crucial moments, but we certainly didn’t do ourselves any favors by not boxing out all night, playing tha craptastic 2nd half of the 2nd quarter, giving them an easy 6-0 run to end the 3rd, and playing one on one ball down the stretch.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
or it could have been just a missed call by the refs.
Perkins was fouled on his attempt, it is not like the refs made that up.
The Refs calls rarely win or lose a game for a team, and this was not one of those rare occasions. OKC hit some crazy shots, and by OKC I mean Westbrook, and Portland didn’t go after him when he picked up foul #5 with 6+ mins remaining. Sometimes it is just that simple, Portland played well, but OKC played better.
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…but don’t you find that analyzing a loss can often be like analyzing a disaster?
It’s never one factor that leads to a loss. I agree that trying to foul Westbrook out would of been a beneficial strategy.
But it’s like the Titanic. It sunk because it hit an Ice Berg.
It hit an Ice Berg because it was going fast.
It hit an Ice Berg because the look outs didn’t have binoculars…
It hit an Ice Berg because the telegraphed warnings of Ice were ignored…
We lost to Oklahoma because Westbrook hit some big 3’s.
We lost to Oklahoma because we didn’t foul him out…
We lost because we couldn’t score when we got it close….
Sure, I agree that fouling him out would of been nice, great, and perhaps made a difference. But even with the results being his big shots…you never know. The Blazers had the chance to win this game…..with or without Westbrook on the floor.
He fouls out? Perhaps Durant beats you with similar shots?
You gotta win the games against the line-ups that exist. Sometimes getting that final foul is difficult even if you know about it and are trying. I’ve seen offensive players pick up fouls themselves…trying to get that last foul on the other guy…
No….a lot of factors went into the loss…only 1 single one being the big 3 shots Westbrook was uncharacteristically able to hit against us.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Mar 28, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A nice post, Krang. I must admit that while watching the game, I was pestering Nate to drive through Andre and foul out Westbrook with 5 minutes to go. If I had been the coach (thankful that I’m not), I would have ordered this up. But you make a very valid point. Now that the game is over, there is no telling what Westbrook’s replacement would have done, or whether Ibaka or Durant would have filled in the hole a different way.
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by Rogue Blazer on Mar 28, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate just does not do that
no matter HOW much I yell at the screen -
he doesn’t do the same thing with opposing big men either.
he must think beating someone by getting them to foul out is not macho.
This is nothing new…
same thing with intentional fouls to take-away a tying three opportunity.
Nate just won’t do it, even if it means losing.
YELLING!!!
(but like Krang says, many reasons they lost, probably bigger than the foul issue is that the Blazers settled for jump shots and stopped attacking the rim.)
Should of got his sixth after he talented matthews after that strip
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
That was basketball karma for the bogus clearpath foul/ 4pt play
after Wallace fell down on the break.
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