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I'm always amazed when listening to some Blazer fans.  While I always hope that it represents the vocal minority, one can never be sure.  Over the years, role players that don the Blazer uniform, have always received an amount of support from a few Blazer fans that is borderline ridiculous.  I can't think of a fanbase that has a bigger "backup quarterback" syndrome than Portland.  Ironically, these are some of the same folks that bash LaMarcus Aldridge for being soft, Brandon Roy for not playing enough defense and Nate McMillian for a host of issues, while the rest of the league would saw of their left arm for any of the three.  Yet players of far less ability and capacity to impact winning are regularly heralded as the answer; the right answer to any question.  "Free Rudy."  "Free Nic."  "Free Sergio."  "Free Bayless."  The list is endless.  To think there were fans who actually were relieved that a possible trade didn't go down to add Chris Paul because the Blazers would have had to "give up" Batum, is mindblowing to this fan.

When are Blazer fans gonna wake up?  Can someone give me any reasonable rational why Rudy Fernandez should even be playing?  What does this guy contribute?  Scratch anything on the defensive end of the floor.  On the offensive end, his "playmaking abilities" are vastly overstated.  For every Aldridge lob there are at least as many spinning, reverse-pivot fall away, one-handed jumpers that are lucky to draw iron.  The only observable skill Rudy brings to the table is perimeter shooting.  He shoots 33% from distance this season.  While the percentage may seem tolerable, at some point one has to factor in the reality that the majority of these shots are completely uncontested, which actually renders his shooting extremely subpar in my estimation.  Vulcan needs to offer to buy his plane ticket the next time he complains that he is being underutilized and is homesick.

What about another fan favorite, Nic Batum?  Is there a more inconsistent Blazer (outside of Fernandez)?  I'll grant that he is young,  But I don't buy in totality that improvement is inevitable.  How many players have we heard this about.  It turns out that Travis Outlaw really didn't that have that high of a ceiling.  Same with Sebastian Telfair.  What have we seen out of Batum that suggests he's going to evolve into something far greater than he is?  In his three years in the leauge how much as he already improved?  I have a hard time pinpointing any one particular area that is demonstratively better.  Likewise with Rudy, what the Blazers need most out of him is to hit the open shot.  Yet, he shoots only 34% from distance, again, on mostly uncontested shots.  Of course his defense is markedly better than Fernandez.  But, he clearly is not what the Blazers hoped he would be in this area.  Sure he will have a rundown block that will make the highlight reel once a game.  But possession to possession, he doesn't seem to have nearly the impact he should.  This area we should be seeing the most noticeable improvement from year one to the present.  Some fans think this guy should be playing 30-35 minutes a night.  Yet they disregard is utter inconsistency.  How many times do we hear Blazer fans complain about the inconsistency of the team from night to night?  Beat Miami one night and lose to the Bobcats the next.  Well, inconsistent players breed inconsistent play.  I can't think of one reason why he should be playing over Gerald Wallace, who is simply a better version of Batum in virtually every respect.  

The last guy is Wes Matthews.  I am not gonna kill the guy because I think he has been the best of the three.  Firstly, his defense overall has been solid (not great Blazer fan).  It's on offense, where I have the bigger gripe.  The consistency argument applies to Wes as it does Batum.  There are many games where he is a non-factor, despite what the boxscore says (Matthews has an uncanny ability to make the stat line look decent in the last couple possession of a game, whether it is meaningful or not).  When are Blazer fans going to realize this is not a guy that you can run any offense through or even be the second option on a good team.  He is best when he is shooting open threes off the pass.  One recent statistical analysis rated him as a top-5 black hole in the league.  When he tries to create on his own it is a nightmare most of the time.  Blazer fans are trying to dub him "Wes Money."  More like "Wild Wild Wes."  

I'm always amazed at how Blazer fans latch on to some of these players and believe they are players they simple aren't.  It's one of the reasons why Portland fans have the national reputation they do.  

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Rudy has not been a good shooter, consistently.

Leave him open. He will miss, 70% of the time.

Roy is a poor defender. He has no lateral movement left in his legs, IMO.

LaMarcus plays soft, from time to time, but not as often as he used to. He has had a great season, and I really hope he makes the next leap.

But Nic, I’m telling you, Nic is going to be the Next Great Thing. And I don’t think CP3’s knees are much better than Roy’s.

Wallace was a good get, though. I mean, what’s to argue about?

by damonrayhymer on Mar 12, 2011 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

Then stop listening to Blazer fans

and pay more attention to what NBA execs and scouts are saying about the Blazer players
 
Then rewrite your own scouting reports, because they don’t match up

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 12, 2011 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

Huh

Is that why there was so much interest (a low second rounder for Rudy)?

Hey, I am not bashing Wes, but there is a reason why he went undrafted and then everyone raised their eyebrows when he got the contract from the Blazers. There are some big holes in his game. Here’s hoping he improves a lot over the years.

I think we see exactly what scouts think of the players when they are consistently left wide open. As an old coach used to say, “son, there’s a reason why you’re so open.”

by robertjcase on Mar 12, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

There are some big holes in his game.

There’s wide divide between “he can do no wrong” and “there are big holes in his game”. Most young players will have something they need to work on

Here’s hoping he improves a lot over the years.

Here we find common ground.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 13, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

There is a difference between “can do no wrong” and “big holes in his game.” Many fans are astonished that some people think Roy should have most of his minutes as long as Roy is reasonably healthy. All kinds of rational is given. I don’t. I favor the latter opinion of having big holes. I think brings as much on the minus side as he does to the plus side in way to many games. My opinion.

by robertjcase on Mar 13, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

When are Blazer fans gonna wake up? Can someone give me any reasonable rational why Rudy Fernandez should even be playing? What does this guy contribute? Scratch anything on the defensive end of the floor.

Rudy can be a good asset when he’s hitting his shot, because he is multi-dimensional. He’s very good at reading the passing lanes and coming up with steals, and he passes well from the 2 spot. The problem is, he’s such a weak shooter most of the time he’s an overall detriment on the floor. He actually seems to shot worse when he’s open. I think his days are numbered here because his contract is up for renewal, and the Blazers are tight cap space. He’s too inconsistent as a shooter to have much value IMO.

by zeusmith on Mar 12, 2011 9:59 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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I think he is a decent passer but not great. Talk away the flashy lobs and there isn’t a lot of substance consistently. I agree, its crazy to think he is almost a worse shooter when he is open. Another thing is I think he also takes some really bad shots from time to time. Fans love the free-flowing game but it isn’t conducive to consistently winning.

by robertjcase on Mar 12, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy is the only guy willing and tries to do a pick and roll with LaMarcus.

The others only do a pick and pop. Rudy is a mixed bag. His shooting is not to be trusted, but on some nights he can bring some things on the court that the others just don’t. But if you were to ask me, I’m ready for someone who can bring it every night.

by Stryder9 on Mar 13, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's not like Blazers fans opinions matter in the grand scheme of things

so I wouldn’t be so worried about us. LaMarcus can be a beast or a ghost, but we can’t turn that switch for him. Brandon’s knees are not in the condition they were before, but none of us hold the key to fixing it all. Nicolas still seems so young, and it’s because he is, we can’t just grow him up. We all know Rudy is not shooting well, but it’s not up to us if we want him out of the game, or traded. Wesley gets messy and too intense sometimes, but who are we to tap his shoulder and suggest calming down? All these things we can’t control, and so we deserve no blame. It’s to nobody that they must HAVE TO listen to fans opinions, so if anyone is annoyed, then just do something else, like watch hockey. Personally, I love the Blazers with my heart and many people here do, and that’s why we talk so much: it’s because we care. It’s not all about shooting percentage and knees sometimes.

by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Mar 12, 2011 10:19 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I’m not suggesting that we have any direct influence. However, I do think that fans do shape how the media reports on the team to some degree, especially in Portland. And players do follow what the media is saying. Just look what occurs in Dallas with Roddy B. Their coach is constantly having to spend time answering questions about why he is not playing more, because Dallas fans are so convinced he is the savior. You can’t tell me that doesn’t influence their coach to some degree even a little bit. Or look at Minnesota. Kevin Love got selected to the AllStar game because fans and media were crying about him so much. In the end that swayed coaches opinions, even though most of the actual players knew that there were better players left off. I agree that fans don’t have much influence on the team, but I don’t think there is zero influence either.

by robertjcase on Mar 12, 2011 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

Correction

Yes, David Stern selected him. Not a good example. You may be able to say the same thing about Griffen though.

by robertjcase on Mar 12, 2011 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah...

Rudy has to start getting less minutes now, something is up with him and it’s too late in the season to wait until he can sort it out.

For someone who is considered an “offensive specialist,” a 37.0% FG percentage just can NOT cut it. Especially at this time of the year. While I agree that Batum has been pretty inconsistent, he brings some other good skills to the table that Rudy does not like above average defense and rebounding.

This is the time of year where the minutes for guys who just aren’t cutting need to get cut down. ESPECIALLY in the fourth quarter. From here on out, the 4th should be LA, Dre, Brandon, Wesley, and Wallace. That’s it, no-one else.

If Nate feels like he needs to give guys minutes to get their confidence back up. It needs to happen earlier in the game.

by thorfio on Mar 13, 2011 2:08 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think Rudy can bring some creativity that you can't find easily

in the NBA. Sure he is not consistant, but when he’s on he’s the game changer. I also think that his defense is much improved. I like him as a passer and a playmaker. He’s also improving on offense by trying to add things to his game.
   Then main thing is it’s easy to point out problems with these guys, but who do you find that is better and attainable?

by twggyy on Mar 13, 2011 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Hope you're getting your 5% cut from Rudy

Creativity is overrated. I would rather just have a guy who is effective. You don’t get extra points for “oohs.” When he is on is few and far between in my opinion. His defense is mediocre at best and he gets killed by anyone with a decent first step or weighing over 230 lbs. We always hear about his playmaking abilities, but every time he is put in the situation, he usually comes up smelling like a dead fish. Who do you find? Easy, give his minutes to Matthews and Roy. Rudy can’t play any position but the SG. Unfortunately, Matthews and Roy also play the same position. With those two in front of him, I don’t see how any minutes can be justifiably given to Rudy.

by robertjcase on Mar 13, 2011 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

All I'm reading

Is that the Blazers suck and you have no solutions to this problem. All you’re basically doing is generalizing about Blazer fans, suggesting your knowledge is somehow better than anyone else’s, and tearing down three players in any way you can and basically ignoring their positives.

Nicolas Batum hasn’t improved? Well, gee, uh … despite having better stats, keeping in mind that he has taken way more shots this year thus explaining the leveling out of his percentages, there are ways a player can contribute that aren’t easily quantifiable. Place in team defense, individual defense. In both of these he receives praise, not to mention his transition defense. Nate and various players have called him a “glue guy” and many GMs have thwarted any attempt by our FO to create a trade by demanding he be traded as well.

But he’s slightly inconsistent! Will this 22 year old ever be good?! Better put him back in the D-league!

Rudy it’s the same thing. He’s averaging 9/2.3/2.5 in 24 minutes. For being an off-the-bench role player I don’t think that’s bad at all. He’s also got a better than 2:1 ast/to ratio. Yes, he’s shooting very, very poorly, but he’s also not taking a lot of shots. He’s also probably the biggest energy guy on the team along with Mills.

As for Wesley, I honestly don’t see what about his statline you could complain about given his role within the team and the fact that he’s a second year player. Also, pretty much everyone agrees he’s a great defender so I’m afraid it’s you who’s in the wrong. Shooting 45/40/84 percentage-wise sounds pretty good.

Hell, looking at Batum and Matthews on 82games, they have a slightly below zero net production despite drawing the hardest defensive assignments almost every game. Yeah, I’ll take that. Wallace replacing Batum in the starting lineup is something I’m not really opposed to; I even quite support it, but you are blindly tearing down these players. They aren’t perfect, they have flaws, but none of them are meant to be first options. I don’t see the problem. Most teams would love Matthews or Batum right now, and Rudy’s stock went down almost exclusively due to the drama with his agent and you know it.

by Seven06Renault on Mar 14, 2011 1:57 AM PDT reply actions  

As bad as Rudy's FG percentage is this year,

he’s still top 5 on the Blazers in true shooting percentage I believe

#7

by collectiveshane on Mar 14, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking as a Blazer fan with his own opinion

Why generalize a few comments thinking that is the way the entire community feels. Our players have flaws, but unless you can upgrade then there is no point in replacing what you have. Our team has been improving every single year from drafting Roy/Aldridge

Terrence Jones.

by 420Phenom on Mar 14, 2011 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow, talk about overgeneralization

I’m talking about the vocal minority that think role players are untouchable. These are the same people that said Sergio Rodriguez was the next Steve Nash if it weren’t for McMillian. Or Telfair. Or Bayless. Or Ime. Or whoever.

I am suggesting solutions. You stop playing them quality minutes. Wallace should be starting at getting 35 minutes a night. Roy should also see an increase in minutes as long as he continues to feel good and remains productive. That leave about 30-35 minutes to split up between Batum, Matthews and Rudy. Personally I think Matthews should get the majority of it, if only because he can play multiple positions and can fit in the easiest with the other players. Plus, he is much better when he is your 4th or 5th option on the court. Rudy should see the floor period.

Second, who caress what other GM’s want. Travis Outlaw got 8 mil a year. How does that look. And other GMs are only asking for Batum in a deal that clearly benefits them. IE Gerald Wallace. They wanted Batum, until they found out there was not market for Wallace. Some of you think Batum should return a player like Chris Paul or Deron Williams which is completely asinine. As far as potential, I’m sorry but there hasn’t been that much improvement at all from his rookie year until now. I don’t care that he is only 22. That is when he should be improving the most. Just look at a guy like Derek Rose. He is younger than Batum! He’s going to win the MVP. This is the biggest problem with Blazer fans sometimes. They think that just because someone is young, that they are certain to improve. I say, lets look at their track record of improvement. I’m not saying give him away for nothing, or get rid of him at all. But this is not a guy that you can rely on. That’s why a guy like Bill Simmons says “good luck with that” when the Blazers say they are building around Batum and Mathews. You know if a guy is a build around guy by his third year in the league. You just do. Sorry.

As far as Matthews, what are you talking about? I am not suggesting he is a bad defender. He’s not. My problem, if you’ll read is on the offensive end of the floor. He seems to feel as though he needs to be something he is not, which results in a lot of bad plays. All he needs to do is come off reverse screens to free himself at the basket or wait for the ball to be reversed for open threes. He never needs to be dribbling the ball period.

I’m not blindly tearing down players any more than you are blindly supporting them by using their splits. That works in fantasy basketball. It doesn’t work in real basketball. These guys to often don’t pass the eyeball test. There are far to many times every game where you have the “Cmon!” moment after they have done something stupid. Thats fine if they are your role players, not fine if they are your foundation.

Rudy doesn’t even deserve any more comment than has already been paid.

Most teams would like to have Matthews or Batum, sure. But not as their number two or three options. Not a chance. Not anyone that is remotely serious about contending.

by robertjcase on Mar 14, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

The Blazers new Aldridge/Matthews core

While when you said Matthews can’t be a reliable 2nd option on a good team(a good team it is possible, a great team I am not sure Matthews can be a #2) you may be right… But look at how similar Wesley Matthews stats look this year, to Ray Allen in the Celtics championship season. Very similar. Wesley is a bargain too. 34 million over 5 years? Compare that to Ben Gordon’s 50mil over 5 years !

LaMarcus Aldridge’s contract. 5 years 65 million.. Compare that to Amare Stoudemire. He has a higher FG%, 51.2% instead of 49.5%. Amare plays 4 less minutes. He shoots a couple more free throws. Amare averages 2 blocks a game, while LA averages 1.2… Amare scores 26ppg instead of Amare’s 22… Amare’s contract is 5 years 100 million. Finally, Amare is 28 and Aldridge is 25! Advantage Blazers.

The money we saved by not giving Aldridge an Amare contract allowed us to put that money to better use and sign Wesley Matthews. You seem so negative but why ? We have been improving every year, Wallace> Cunningham/Przybilla/Bayless/Webster. Camby> Blake/Outlaw. Matthews. Miller. Batum. Aldridge’s phenomenal improvement… There is no reason why this fanbase should not be as excited as they were when we thought the original Roy/Aldridge/Oden core was supposed to be forming. Which is an incredible feat. When I heard Roy’s knees were … what they are now, I thought we would be crippled as a team. Guess what? We recovered.

Terrence Jones.

by 420Phenom on Mar 14, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fine Tuning

I am in no way saying we are going to be competing for a championship in our current form. I completely agree that Rudy is… Terrible. Patty Mills isn’t much better, even though they both bring energy… They also bring inconsistency and bad defense. Their minutes could certainly be upgraded & should be looked at closely this offseason by Cho.

 I do like the core of Aldridge/Matthews, with the addition of veterans like Wallace/Miller/Camby(all of which contract’s expire around the same time which means good flexibility moving forward) we can build around a “win now” motto. We definitely need depth in the front court. LA & Camby need help in addition to the reserve PG/SG upgrade.

Terrence Jones.

by 420Phenom on Mar 14, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy's 3pt percentage

He’s still top 5 on the Blazers? Huh? Great, he’s better than Camby, Aldridge, Pryzbilla, Marks, Miller. That’s the only thing he is paid to do! That’s the only reason he is in the NBA! Make 3pt shots. He is shooting low 30% and he is being left open on half of his shots! C’mon.

by robertjcase on Mar 14, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah he is bad.

Who to replace him with? I would welcome more Wallace/Batum minutes. To be safe with the BRoy situation being as unsafe as it is, we should look into someone this offseason. Jamal Crawford will be available but I doubt he would take the MLE. Reggie Williams is the perfect fit, in my opinion to fill Rudy & Roy’s minutes. He was undrafted & worked his way into the NBA. He is deadly from deep at 44% which is 6th best in the NBA. From the Virginia Military Institute.

I wouldn’t be against trading Batum for the right price either.

Terrence Jones.

by 420Phenom on Mar 14, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Paul has no knees

Hes a completely different player this year, trading Nic for him would have been stupid, we would have the most broken team ever, and Gerald Wallace is not a better shooter.

by pdxblazer on Mar 14, 2011 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

trading Nic for him would have been stupid, we would have the most broken team ever,

Not to mention CP3 could have walked in 2012, so Portland would’ve wound up like Denver re: the Melo saga or Utah with D-Will. They would have to trade a lot to get Paul, but maybe not get much in return at the end of a short Blazer run for Chris.

so I’d rather have 10 years of Nic, who repeated that he wants to stay in PDX during today’s online chat

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Mar 15, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you watched tonights game...

…and still don’t think Rudy belongs on an NBA court… then I’m afraid I can’t take you seriously.

By pointing out only faults and nothing positive in players you become the bizarro world version of the fans you are complaining about.

There IS a middle ground!.. I know Rudy’s faults but what he brought to the floor tonight against the Mavs was VERY valuable and great fun to watch!

  #7… and #5

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Mar 16, 2011 1:10 AM PDT reply actions  

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