Trade Drawer

by bfan on Feb 3, 2011 8:56 AM PST

I don't really care if the Blazers make a trade right now. I don't think they can really do anything to greatly improve the team this season. The only thing that will help this team in the long run is health: a healthy Roy, Oden, Camby, and young guys to take some minutes load during the season (losing Pendy and Williams this season hurt).

But here's my trade idea anyway. I think the Blazers need two things going forward: The team needs a bit of a shakeup and we have GOT to get a point guard. I like Miller, but we're simply not going anywhere with him (has he ever won a playoff series anywhere?), and he's getting old anyway. One guy who is quietly having a very nice year in his second year in the league is Jrue Holiday. Coincidently he plays for a team strapped with a ginormous contract. Would Philly trade Holiday for the chance to get out from under Brand's albatross contract? Maybe. So here's my idea:

Philly gets: Miller, Przybilla, NO draft pick

Portland gets: Brand, Holiday

Upside: We get our PGOTF. Downside: Brand's contract is horrible, BUT he can still play, and we need big bodies. So maybe we swallow the money. If you forget about the money for a second, I think Brand would mesh well with both Camby and Aldridge as both can play outside while Brand is on the floor, and Aldridge can slide back down low when Brand comes off. I don't know how they view Holiday over there, if he has "untouchable" status or not, but seems like they'd jump at a chance to drop Brand's contract. If you want an even BIGGER shakeup, try this:

Philly gets: Miller, Przybilla, Batum, Bayless trade exception (draft pick if necessary)

Portland gets: Brand, Holiday, Thaddeus Young

I like Batum, but not as high on him as most, and this team often struggles to score. Thad Young can shoot and create from the wing, and is currently posting a better season than Batum and is still only 22. I don't want to get rid of Batum or anything, I just feel like this team needs a shakeup because our style is stagnating a bit. Okay, hammer away at my ideas all you armchair GMs, or post your own below.

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good trade

the 1st one.

by Falcao on Feb 3, 2011 9:28 AM PST reply actions

Agree

The first one isn’t bad.

I think what Rich Cho is likely doing is trying to find a team that has a young PG that also wants to move a high-priced salary.

Along these same lines, I’ve thought about Charlotte. DJ Augustin is turning into a young floor general and I think would fit well here. Charlotte would want youth back, so I think Batum would likely end up part of the deal. I can see it being something like Miller, Przybilla and Batum for Augustin, G. Wallace, and Nazr Mohammed.

Mohammed for Joel is nearly a wash, although Mohammed is better at this point. Both are expiring deals. However, the salaries don’t work without these two added in…

Gerald Wallace’s best days are behind him, but he still has a few year’s of game left. A big contract for two more years. IMO, it is easier to find a quality wing in this league than a starting caliber PG though, so paying Wallace for two more years while Portland finds their next SF doesn’t bother me. The downside is he is not an outside shooter, so while the shooting at the PG position is improved, it is worse at the SF spot.

Miller vs. Augustin… Miller is the kind of savvy vet that Paul Silas will like. They are currently in 8th in the East, but could easily pass Philly and possibly even catch NY. Miller can help key that run. Like Portland with the SF position, Charlotte would need to find a younger PG in the next year and a half or so.

I’m not sure either team improves much with this deal. On TradeMachine, Hollinger says Portland is 4 games worse and Charlotte is 3 games better. Dre has the highest PER of players traded, but Przy has the lowest. I think Portland gets what they want in a young distributor, and Charlotte would be happy with Miller short term and Batum long term.

by Rodney Gustafson on Feb 3, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions

Interesting.

Augustin is another intriguing young PG. In the end I think I like the defensive potential of J. Holiday over Augustin.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Feb 3, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions

I like Jrue.

Unfortunately, I think the Sixers are pretty high on him too. I don’t think they’d be in a hurry to take Andre back either. So, I don’t see this deal going down. I think this style of trade is along the lines that Cho is likely pursuing though. However, it’s difficult to pry away young guys that can play now. I’d imagine that the Sixers feel about Jru the way we feel about Nic.

by TheSauce on Feb 3, 2011 11:04 AM PST reply actions

Add to that

the fact that Dre specifically mentioned Philly as a team he wouldn’t like to go to in their current situation… Not sure Philly would trade for a guy that just publically stated he would prefer not to go there.

by Rodney Gustafson on Feb 3, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions

he could just .... retire. and that'd kinda be good for em yeah?

The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.

by faith on Feb 3, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions

Don't think they'd be too concerned ...

Since they’d only trade for him to get rid of Brand’s contract.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Feb 3, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions

are buyouts still allowed?

maybe philly will buy out andre so he can come back and tutor jrue in the ways of a wily vet?

by blaze-on on Feb 4, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions

Probably right.

I really have no sense of how they value him. This trade obviously doesn’t happen if they view him as untouchable. Let’s be honest, none of the trades any of us proposes ever happens.

I’m I’m Philly, though, I have to at least think about this one just because I’d be able to get out from under Brand’s contract. Philly can’t really improve as long as they have Brand. The Blazers otoh have most of what they need, so taking on an albatross to get that PGOTF might make some sense.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Feb 3, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions

not completely true, there's been a couple gems in the past

Like someone calling the Blake/Outlaw for Camby trade. At the time I couldn’t believe they would give Camby up for so little, and I still can’t. 2 EC’s for a big EC who is a great player as well. Reminds me of the “Clippers trade 6 mil in cash for 4 mil in cash”.

Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.

Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar

by Batumshakalaka on Feb 4, 2011 1:02 AM PST up reply actions

Przy and Williams for Carl Landry

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4689q3g

Improve the front line.

Defender of the Universe

by KD1 on Feb 3, 2011 12:31 PM PST reply actions

I'd like Landry on this team

But I would prefer to see him as an undersized backup to LMA, not an EXTREMELY undersized Center for the rest of this year. lol

Long term, I like Landry. But right now, if this team trades Przybilla, I suspect they are bringing a Center back in the deal.

I also think, rather than Williams, Sacramento may be more interested in a pick. Another possibility may be to keep Joel (or trade him in a separate deal) and move Dante and Babbitt for Landry.

by Rodney Gustafson on Feb 3, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions

x2 pf's :D

The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.

by faith on Feb 3, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions

Awesome idea

Lets get another guy with knee problems.

by RUDYYYY on Feb 3, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions

Could certainly use his scoring punch.

Agree w/ R.G. that sending Przybilla doen’t make much sense.

I had no idea Sacto had so much cap space. They’re pretty maneuverable going forward.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Feb 3, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah

Can’t really afford to trade Pryzbilla at the moment. Need to think about acquiring Landry though before someone else trades for him.

Defender of the Universe

by KD1 on Feb 3, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions

mega trade and i hate that it makes the lakers better but it also makes the lakers older.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4oqxwf3

i would do this 100% we go younger and better we would most likely need to trade picks to the bobcats which i’m fine with if we get this huge upgrade all around for the team
and hey, if oden and bynum share minutes evenly they could both maybe stay healthy for a whole season! ha

by golfballer333 on Feb 3, 2011 1:07 PM PST reply actions

It's good for everybody except for Charlotte, and it's terrible for them...

Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers

by gtbassett on Feb 3, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions

true but if they got picks out of it or we could give them rudy

by golfballer333 on Feb 3, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions

Cavs willing to take a risk?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5s6m9dl

by blazeraider on Feb 4, 2011 9:33 AM PST reply actions

Cleveland is looking to rebuild.

I highly doubt they would even touch Roy’s contract. Although they probably would take a gamble on Oden if the price was right.

by gtbassett on Feb 4, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions

I would never want that trade thats terrible

by golfballer333 on Feb 4, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions

Should we give up on Oden and gamble on Gasol?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4gbtmrr
Portland gives: Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez
Portland receives: Marc Gasol and Eduardo Najera

Memphis gives: Marc Gasol and OJ Mayo
Memphis recieves: Brook Lopez, Nazr Mohammed and NO 1st round draft pick

Charlotte gives: Eduardo Najera, Nazr Mohammed and Stephen Jackson
Charlotte receives: Troy murphy, Rudy Fernandez and OJ Mayo

New Jersey gives: Troy Murphy and Brook Lopez
New Jersey Receives: Greg Oden and Stephen Jackson

Portland does this because we get our COTF that does not have huge question marks regarding injury every time he steps on the floor. We have to take a grossly overpaid 14th man as well.

Memphis does this because Gasol will most likely walk anyway, so they might as well get something out of him. This way they get two serviceable centers, one on an expiring deal meaning instant cap relief, and the other a young, scoring center.

Charlotte does this deal because they’re just spending way too much money right now, and I’m sure they would love to do some salary dumping. They get rid of Jackson’s 25 million dollar contract, as well as ultimate suckage Najera. They get back OJ Mayo, the future starting SG, and Fernandez, an upgrade over their current backup Matt Carrol.

New Jersey does this because Avery Johnson hates Brook Lopez and his lack of rebounding acumen, they take a huge gamble with Oden but if it pays off, it pays off big. They also get Stephen Jackson to fill the current glaring hole that Stephen Graham is trying to compensate for.

What do you guys think?

by gtbassett on Feb 4, 2011 12:13 PM PST reply actions