Media Row Report: Hawks 90, Blazers 83
The Portland Trail Blazers didn't show up for their rare Sunday night home game, losing to the Atlanta Hawks in a game that was much less competitive than the 90-83 final score indicates.
This one was so ugly that Blazers coach Nate McMillan started his explanatory post-game remarks by simply saying: "You saw it." In other words, it was so bad in so many ways that providing even the bare specifics felt like overkill.
Portland shot poorly (4-21 from deep), stood around a lot, didn't get back on defense, (17 Hawks fast break points) didn't rebound the basketball (49-34 rebounding advantage for Atlanta), didn't take away Atlanta's primary scoring options (45 combined points for Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford) and didn't capitalize on the momentum boost provided by forward Gerald Wallace's debut in Portland. They got worked on both ends. You saw it.
There were a lot of moving parts tonight. On top of Wallace's debut, center Marcus Camby returned from injury to make his first appearance since January 17. Camby didn't score and grabbed six rebounds in 20 minutes, sitting for much of the second half. Meanwhile, guard Brandon Roy played for the second time in three nights, but wasn't much of a factor, shooting 3-9 for 6 points, 1 rebound and 0 assists in nearly 18 minutes.
While McMillan stuck fairly carefully to Camby's established 20 minutes playing time limit, he went over Roy's 15 minute limit, just as he did when Roy played 24 minutes against the Denver Nuggets on Friday night. The circumstances in the Denver game helped gloss over that fact: Everyone on a short-handed team played extra minutes in the overtime game, plus Roy helped lead the dramatic comeback in the fourth quarter. Tonight, however, Roy surpassed his minute limit early in the fourth quarter before getting pulled with the Blazers trailing big. One wonders how many minutes he would have played had the game been tighter.
I guess we're left to view this as a "minutes membrane" rather than a "minutes limit," as the publicly presented medical advice is not being rigidly followed and is instead apparently being approached on a case-by-case basis. McMillan said afterwards that he didn't believe the extra minutes on Friday influenced Roy's limited effectiveness tonight. "I think [it was] the rhythm of the game," McMillan said. "He was playing off the ball, or playing with the ball and reversing the ball, as opposed to us calling plays for him tonight."
McMillan also said that it wasn't Roy's play tonight that won or lost the game, and certainly that is true. There was plenty of blame to go around, and Roy's struggles were no worse than Rudy Fernandez's (1-7 for 5 points), Wesley Matthews (4-10 for 12 points) or Wallace's (4-12 for 9 points).
But repeatedly exceeding Roy's minutes limit so quickly after his return from dual knee surgeries is not in anyone's best interest, and it's out of step with the organization's repeated defenses of its medical staff. Time and again we've heard coaches and management officials stand behind the team's doctors and trainers. Those words of support start to ring hollow if the actual advice and plans are not being followed, especially when it's regarding a player who is as key as Roy.
The Blazers play 16 games during the first 30 days of March, so this issue isn't going away. I believe we're looking at two options. 1) There's not a medical need for a strict minutes restriction and we can put an end to the dog and pony show. Or, 2) There is a reason for a minutes limit and it should be followed to the letter. In a situation where there is no meniscus there should be no middle ground. Roy said on Friday night that he was set for a reevaluation this week. Let's hope that process includes a clearer public picture of what the medical advisors believe is safe at this point, and let's hope that their word sticks completely.
Random Game Notes
- Live video of the Rose Garden welcoming Gerald Wallace to Portland. Goosebumps moment. Those thundersticks are going crazy.
- Now for some good news on the knee front. Here's Camby on his knee: "It feels OK. Normal soreness after the game. Normal soreness. It just felt a little weird being out there, not being out there for a long time. Just trying to get my timing and my bearings back to where it was before I got hurt. Today was a good step for me and now I can just build from here." Camby did say he was "surprised" to play almost 17 of his 20 minutes in the first half.
- Gerald Wallace on his debut: "I was nervous and jittery. I don't really know. The whole night was kind of shaky for me."
- Gerald Wallace on playing without a head band: "I tried it but I don't think that's going to work. I didn't even feel like myself out there. We're going to have to have a meeting about that. I felt like I was missing something."
- LaMarcus Aldridge wore a knee wrap during the second half after suffering what the team called "left knee discomfort" early in the game. It's not believed to be anything serious.
- Sean Marks Highlight of the Night: Turns out, he didn't actually get waived. "You can't keep a good man down." - Sizzla.
Nate McMillan's Post-Game Comments
How would you describe that game?
You saw it. First of all we didn't shoot the ball worth for nothing. 39% and 19% from three. I thought we missed some open shots but they packed it in.They tried to take away LA and made other guys shoot the ball. We've seen that with some of our guys on the floor they're not going to allow LaMarcus play. They're going to clog, and they're going to force you to make perimeter jump shots which is what that team did tonight. Defensively, Joe was good. It's an iso game, they're going to go at match-ups. They're playing with, almost, five guards. Horford is pretty good handling the ball, passing and scoring. It's difficult to trap them or ... you're going to have to guard.
Anticipated night. Did it catch up to you?
This doesn't surprise me. We're talking about trying to fit in three guys. You're bringing Camby back tonight. Wallace -- it's his first game. Brandon is still -- we're trying to work him back. It doesn't surprise me that you're out of rhythm, out of sync your first game. Like I said it's going to take some time to get a rotation. We may have to look at changing our rotation, our starting unit as well as the unit we have coming off the bench. I thought tonight, we've gone without Patty, I thought we needed to get Patty in there to try to allow Brandon and Rudy to play. When those guys are playing the point it takes away from what they do. Having a point guard out there to allow them to move and play as opposed to those guys initiating the offense takes away from what they are capable of doing. It didn't surprise me that you could your rhythm.
Wallace
He's trying. We put him in the post, he had some post ups, was aggressive. That will come, as far as sets we can run for him. But we didn't shoot the ball well at all tonight.
Reason for concern with LaMarcus's knee?
I don't know. I didn't hear what happened. I know he left for a few minutes and came back. I haven't heard anything from Jay as far as what happened. Or, really, what the injury was.
Getting back in the game late
We went with a smaller lineup to try to get Rudy and the combination of guys, Rudy, Nicolas, Wesley, in the game to give us some spacing on the floor. Started to trap. I thought they started to try to play the clock, and we force turnovers and were able to score and get to the free throw line.
Brandon over his minutes limit -- impact on his game and the team?
No. I don't think. It wasn't Brandon. As a unit I don't think we played well tonight.
Brandon's minutes on Friday caught up to him?
No. I think the rhythm of the game. He was playing off the ball, or playing with the ball and reversing the ball as opposed to us calling plays for him tonight.
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Just a stinker
Move on and get the next one.
there is no medical reason to limit Roy's minutes
With regards to Roy’s injuries, playing time is irrelevant. With regards to Roy’s stamina, quickness, timing, etc. – there is a reason to phase in Roy’s re-acclimation – but those are basketball issues rather than rehabilitation issues.
Medically, Roy is probably as healthy as he ever will be (unless he actually regrows menisci).
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Yeah, I'm not sure if 15 min vs 20 min makes much of a difference overall.
I don’t know of a medical reason why to put the max playing time at 15 min. Usually, it’s just an artificial leash to prevent the player from doing too much too soon.
Roy is uncharted territory with regards to his long term prospects
I’m guessing that a monitoring program is in place to gauge his response to playing time with adjustments in minutes as appropriate.
Finding a sustainable effort/time ratio appropriate for his contract will be pretty challenging.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 28, 2011 1:46 AM PST up reply actions
If the doctors are really pushing for this limit,
there would be medical reasons for it…… right? Hope you’re right though.
For once we agree on this subject. ;)
There is really no benefit to limiting his minutes at this point. His knees are screwed long-term whether he plays 15 or 20 minutes or 40 minutes.
Though it does need to be noted that the pain from this condition is cumulative. So, it really is a question of pain management at this point. It may simply be easier to manage the pain if his minutes are limited. Which means that he can potentially stay on the court longer and/or for more games in a row without needing to take games off.
OMG guyz
Roy played two more minutes than was planned. Someone call the po-leece.
Terrible game though. We had one or two cold streaks for the ages. Step it up, guys!
Greg Oden ate my baby. Need money for body-building training so that I may take my revenge.
so.....
what’s the big deal about letting wallace wear the headband?? i know that mcmillan banned them back in the z-bo/miles days as a sort of drill sergeant move to help with the appearance of the team’s character, but i mean aren’t we past that?? let him fell comfortable with what he is used to! we’re not a team full of youngsters that need that sort of discipline.
by avalonzero on Feb 28, 2011 2:17 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
coach, I would humbly suggest treating our players with greater respect
I mean, what’s the harm if employee #3 wants to wear a headband? It’s not like team discipline is going to falter or anything, with players suddenly trying to smuggle dope and guns into the airport, drag racing down Broadway, disrespecting the fans, threatening to kill the refs, dog fighting, and raping their nannies. If Mr Wallace is more comfortable with a headband, let him wear one. In fact, let em all wear headbands, wristbands, ankle bands and whatever. Keep focused on what is important, coach, not the silly stuff like that.
Win the day!
by Blzr fan on Feb 28, 2011 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought he was fine with it and
gerald not wearing it was his choice.
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Feb 28, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
GW is not the kind who will disrespect his coach or confront the coach over something silly
I’m just hoping that, at practice today, Nate will gather the guys in a circle, and announce that, with the season running down and with the playoffs looming, we are going to get a laser-like focus on developing a winning formula, and that nothing else matters. Winning is what it’s all about, men. We have a team of high-character players. We are going to respect y’all. If anyone wants to wear a headband, go for it. Let’s work out the rough spots, and move forward to victory.
Win the day!
by Blzr fan on Feb 28, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Nate or Wallace really care
Quick tweeted that Nate wouldn’t keep him from wearing the headband but the media made Wallace aware of the ban. My guess is that Wallace has no desire to make waves and decided on his own not to wear the headband. Who cares at this point? They have already lost it if they need to have a team meeting about it.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Feb 28, 2011 9:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well obviously,
we have a rapist in this franchise. So y’all need to hide yo fans, hide yo refs, hide yo doggies, hide yo nannies cuz they rapin’ errbody out here.
by Anatidae on Feb 28, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like no one can get a good rhythm on offense because Nate is trying to find minutes for all the guards. Only one guard
can take 20 shots. Rudy, Matthews and Roy can’t get going off of a few shots here and there.
I really don’t like Roy out there with Aldridge right now. I hope time helps that line up get better.
that laker game seems to have sent us into a spiral
i was hoping for there to be no mental carryover, but we barely got past DEN, and last night was more of the same.
team needs a few grueling practices to get back on track.
PHILLY!
Seriously with the minutes thing?
1-2 minutes probably means Nate had a sub up and it took a little longer for a break in the action to get the sub in the game. As for the game itself, it was a bad one. It will probably take a few games to get everybody back into a rhythm after the trade. It would be nice to have another big man even if it is just an insurance move.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Feb 28, 2011 6:55 AM PST via mobile reply actions
What an ugly game
waaaaaaaaaay too many jumpers
waaaaaaaaaa too little defense
also its of note that because the Blazers dont piss and whine like the Lakers all game long, they tend to get screwed on the officiating. That was the case last night. Haywoode Workman is an embarassment to humankind.
and i sure dont miss the roy isos where everyone stands around and watches. yeah i know he isoed at the end vs denver and hit a miracle shot to tie it. i dont care.
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
I actually thought the defense was okay
the offense was horrible. This is usually the case in most Blazer losses.
agreed
i particularly thought our interior defense was pretty good, just not the easy transition buckets and obviously joe and crawford hit some big ones.
At one point when we were down down 20 we were 1-15 from downtown, and if we had even made 5-15, which itself isn’t great, we would have only been down 8.
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So.....
Your star player runs to the locker room with a sore knee and the coach doesn’t know what happened ……even 15 minutes after the game. Guess it was just a off night for everybody. Should have cancelled the game and refunded the money.
We must endeavor to persevere.
I still question...
The Blazers training staff.
IMO there needs to be communication. I know McMillan is busy coaching the game. But for him to admit that Aldridge left, was looked at, and returned…and then is placed back in the game, without McMillan evidently having any idea of what happened???
Huh? Someone, McMillan himself or an assistant coach, or someone Jay himself, needs to make sure McMillan knows what’s going on. Exactly what is going on.
Quite frankly, I’m tired of The Blazers telling me how great our training staff is…when the results seem so M.I.C.K.E.Y. M.O.U.S.E….
Our best player has a phantom pain in his knee, and they “look at it” and send him back with a knee brace…without evidently any communication with the coach?
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Yeah, that's a head scratcher for sure. I am continually astounded by the occasional evidence that leaks out
at how little Nate actually seems to talk with players.
Here's how the conversation probably went...
LA : I’m ready coach.
Nate : you’re good?
Nate to Jay: He’s good to go?
Jay : (nods head)
Nate : go for (insert player name here)!
I am sure they are working out the details post game and on into today. I think it is called delegating responsibility and trusting your staff.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Feb 28, 2011 11:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
you gotta give Atlanta credit
Blazers played poorly but don’t ignore the fact that Atlanta played awesome defense.
The Blazers new game is a team game, passing the ball into the paint and getting the easy layup or dunk.
Well, Atlanta decided to thwart that game plan and man did they succeed. Blazers were trying to play their team ball, only problem was every time they passed the ball into the paint Atlanta knew where it was going to go and was there before the intended receiver did.
So as they say they “forced the Blazers to make the outside shot”. And the Blazers couldn’t. In my view the Blazers got so rattled by their inability to execute their inside game that they were too jittery to make open jump shots.
Checkmate.
The game didn’t bother me that much. Nate has a way of figuring out how to bounce back from such defeats. And also don’t forget they were trying to intergrate a guy who had been out for a month and a guy who hasn’t ever played here.
Before the game I was expecting a Blazer win, but the loss does not concern me too much. Get Camby and Wallace integrated into the game and don’t be caught off guard by a team that locks down the paint and I think the Blazers will do fine.
Horford and Smith are like ocpusses
Long and athletic – arms flying all over the place. LMA got double teamed on every occassion in the post.I do give them credit – I didnt know their defense was that good, especially inside.
It’s unfortunate we couldn’t hit shots though. Numerous open shots just clanked off the rim. The weird thing is that nobody could hit, and it sunk us.
I starting to think we need to get T.J. Ford or let Patty Mills play more in the backup role. This Fernandez/Roy point handling thing is just not working.
I was impressed but how fast they were closing out on shooters
Some slow and bad passing was helping but they were right up in every shooters face. It would be nice if our guys picked that up. Our close outs are looking just plain lazy of late.
ATL played excellent defense
But whenever we were trying to pull the same stuff we immediately got called for the foul. I’m not saying that’s only what decided the game, but it certainly set the tone of the game pretty early on. The Hawks could play rough and the Blazers couldn’t touch them. We still played like crap and missed a bunch of open shots, so once again, refs didn’t decide the game, just set the tone.
I was dreaming while I slept last night
and I looked at the box score from last night’s game in my dream, and it showed Portland made 1 field goal, THATS how bad this game was.
They just didn't have it....
Atlanta was clogging the paint and jumpers weren’t falling to move them out of the paint. Calls weren’t going the blazers way in the 1st half and that disrupted their rhythym that they didn’t find until it was too late. Just move onto the next game. Wallace looked a little jittery in his first game. It’s to be expected since he’s only been on one team and has been the main focal point of that team and now will need time to adjust to his new role. Moreso I feel this trade is more about what we can do next year. When Greg is back healthy, the Blazers will have a heck of a team.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
correction: this is the 3rd NBA team GW has played for
He played his first 3 seasons with the Kings
Win the day!
We looked good early.. up 16-9..
that was when Roy/Wallace came in, and understandably our guys had a tough time getting ANY sort of offense going
#7
by collectiveshane on Feb 28, 2011 8:50 AM PST reply actions
Sometimes, this game is real easy to break down
After LMA limped off to the locker room, the Blazers couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean. Yes, give Atlanta’s defense credit, but the Blazers missed wide open shots as well. I noticed that many of the shots fell short, which suggests fatigue to me.
Plus, losing the only post scoring threat the Blazers have made it easier for Atlanta to close out on the shooters. LMA couldn’t handle the athletic bigs of Atlanta — which is an ongoing weakness of his.
I suspect that this is what we are going to see from Brandon from here on out — at least for this season. A pretty good game followed by an ineffective appearance. This will also be the negative fall-out from the Wallace trade; Joel would have negated Pachulia’s efforts to a significant extent.
Frustrating to watch, but the Blazers have had worse performances this season. This is what can happen when you rely too heavily on perimeter jump shots.
by hercher on Feb 28, 2011 9:05 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wallace will help out with inside scoring some
Once he gets familiar with the team’s sets. He draws a lot of fouls, and slashes well. What Wallace CANNOT do is start bombing from the perimeter on a regular basis. We already have Fernandez Roy, Batum and Matthews who do that.
And you're right
LMA always has his worst games against defensive players with length. Guys like Samual Dalembert usually contain him pretty well, and the Horford /Smith Combo was no exception. I’d rather LMA face Pau Gasol, Nene and Kendrick persons than guys like Horford and Tyson Chandler.
Our shooters fed him to the lions too though
Even one shooter “on” from 3pt land would have solved a lot of LMA’s trouble last night. It’s starting to look like we’ll carry this hot/cold shooter thing into the playoffs.
Every guy has a bad shooting night every once in awhile but our guys seem to share a brain. One goes cold and then there’s a good chance that no-one can hit anything. Dre is just disconnected enough to escape sometimes.
I think LMA's problems with ATL's frontline is pretty common for most big men in the league
Horford and Smith are both really good players, especially defensively. We need either a healthy Greg or another post player who can score inside (not a strong, transition scoring wing) to take the pressure off Aldridge in these situations.
Fortunately, the teams with the most depth up front aren’t teams we’re likely to see in the post season.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Did anyone notice the classy thing Nate did
When he put Wallace in the game he let him walk to the scorers table and on the court by himself then sent the rest of the subs in! Small but classy
by Mizuno2613 on Feb 28, 2011 9:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I worry about Roy and LMA's chemistry
LMA had a very good start to the Hawks game but I noticed that about the time he slowed down is when Roy entered the game. Could’ve been the ‘injury’ or whatever too, but I also noticed that LMA wasn’t one of the Blazers who ran over to Roy after his game-winner the other night. To this very day I can’t recall where either one has said glowing things about the other, besides the everyday NBA platitudes I mean. I wonder if LMA joins me in his distaste for Roy looking to iso every time he touches the ball.
I just wonder about these two playing together. They should be thriving together, instead it seems like they don’t mesh all that well, nor that they are particularly close. Perhaps not a huge issue now, but I wonder about down the road. Then again other than disappointing Steve Blake and possibly the worst player in the league Travis Outlaw, who does Roy like playing with?
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
Ideally you want both these guys getting their numbers every game, like Durant and Westbrook.
But I have noticed in the past it was usually one guy who would have a big game and the other in a supporting role. I think it is something Roy hasn’t gotten used to yet. Reminds me of Oden’s emergence a few years back and how he[Roy] couldn’t mesh with it. In general, he has to figure his way into the rotation without disrupting this season’s chemistry.
Poor shooting night but there's troubles ahead for this team.
I said it once and I’ll keep saying until they are able to address this issue. They need size.
Nate also has his hands full trying to put all the pieces together. I’m just not sure where GW is gonna fit in with this team. You put him in the starting unit opposing defenses are just gonna collapse in on the paint and force these guys to take jumpers. Off the bench with Roy isn’t a great fit either because of the slow pace Roy performs. I just don’t know what they’re going to do with him.
I’m baffled that this team hasn’t really addressed any of their issues since last season. They needed better shooting – they gave us Babbitt. They needed size – they gave us Marks and Oberto.
Agreed. But, to be fair, the injury continued to put a giant speed-bump in the way of re-imagining this roster.
The current roster was obviously built with a returning healthy Oden & Roy in mind. When complementary pieces must “step up” and fill the shoes of injured stars, things tend to sputter.
Really, when you consider the injury report this season, this team has mostly over-achieved.
I’d also add that this team needs stronger point guard play at the backup spot and it wouldn’t hurt if the starter was a better defender as well (as much as I love watching Andre play he has a glaring weakness at his outside shot and his man-to-man defensive capabilities).
Some comments about Roy are slightly puzzling
He has said repeatedly that he understands he needs to fit in with the rest of the team b/c they have been playing well. He isn’t dragging out the old “I’m more comfortable” bit. I think he is finally beginning to understand that he may never be able to play like he did in 2008 & 2009.
He is likely going to be up and down, but in the games against Denver and Atlanta I did not notice the Blazers offense suddenly shut down as soon as he gets the ball, the way it did last season, or earlier this season. Really only once did he dribble the ball at the top of the key for 10 seconds before making a move; that was at the end of a quarter and it resulted in two points.
I think if Roy accepts the role, he will be really good coming off the bench.
for some
it’s just confimation bias surrounding this whole Roy issue. I pretty much agree with what you’re seeing and am not too concerned that he’ll do anything other than help this team win, much like he has done prior to this last round of injuries.
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Despite his first-game jitters, I really liked what I saw from Wallace.
Dude can get to the hoop in a hurry and beat collapsing defenses in a way that few of our other drive attempts do. There were moments of confusion for him in trying to fit into our defensive schemes that lead to easy scores, but that’s to be expected. His hustle and improvisation on those rebounds and tips were encouraging and would’ve translated into a lot more if we had posed any offensive threat at all. Those few early possessions where he couldn’t finish (again, the jitters), are going to be big baskets in the future when he’s actually had a chance to practice with the rest of the team.
Can’t wait.
A quick jab
Atlanta is a better team.
add;
The Blazers still have an offense that depends too much on the outside shot. Their offense is still very predictable and the defense knows where the play is going and where the offense sets up. The same plays are repeated over and over like a skipping vinyl recording. No counter plan ever emerges because the coaching staff sticks to the game plan (I don’t mind exploring the match ups and taking advantage, but it leads to standing around and robotic offensive motion.
When you win the games your supposed to, the ones where the shots are falling, or the ones that require a rabbit out of the hat play , it’s not the same as knowing how to win.
The Blazer’s will discover this somewhere after the first round of the playoffs.
I could have just said Atlanta is a better team, but the Blazer’s also made them look better than they are.
Up and running.........and almost defending.
IMO this is just plain wrong
The offense looked great to start the game and then the Hawks adjusted to the movement and motion. The Blazers actually kept trying to get it inside for much of the game but when their outside shots were not falling the Hawks were able to pack the paint. It also did not help that the refs were allowing a lot of contact inside which made it tough for Matthews, Aldridge and Dre to finish inside. This happens to all offenses at times. Even Jerry Sloan’s Magical motion offense is ineffective at times. Just watch last years playoff series between Utah and LA.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Feb 28, 2011 5:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sizzla!
Long-time reader, first-time commenter etc – I’m writing from New Zealand, and have loved the way you’ve shown uncommon affection for our lanky journeyman Marks. But to quote Sizzla in reference to his dependability? Beyond the call dudes. My first ever experience of dancehall fusing with the Blazers. Bring on many more. Maybe Mr Easy’s Silent Killer to describe Batum? Keep them coming, anyway.

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