OFFICIAL RELEASE: BLAZERS TRADE PRZYBILLA, CUNNINGHAM, MARKS & 2 PICKS FOR BOBCATS F GERALD WALLACE
by Ben Golliver on Feb 24, 2011 4:31 PM PST
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TRAIL BLAZERS ACQUIRE GERALD WALLACE IN EXCHANGE FOR PRZYBILLA, CUNNINGHAM AND MARKS
Portland also sends two conditional first round picks to Charlotte
PORTLAND, Ore. - The Portland Trail Blazers have acquired forward Gerald Wallace from the Charlotte Bobcats in exchange for center Joel Przybilla, forward Dante Cunningham, forward/center Sean Marks, a 2011 conditional first round pick acquired from New Orleans and a conditional 2013 first round pick, it was announced today by General Manager Rich Cho.
"I want to welcome Gerald to the Trail Blazers," said Trail Blazers Owner Paul Allen . "He is just the sort of talent we were looking for. I'm sure our fans will embrace him and hopefully he can help us make some noise in the playoffs.
"I also want to thank Joel, Dante and Sean. Joel has been a warrior for this franchise over the past six and 1/2 seasons and Dante has played an important role in the success this team has had this season."
Wallace, 28, posted averages of 15.6 points, 8.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.23 steals, 1.00 blocked shots and 39.0 minutes in 48 games (all starts) with the Bobcats this season. He scored 20 points or more 17 times and recorded 14 double-doubles.
"I'd like to thank Joel, Dante and Sean for their hard work and professionalism while in Portland," said Cho. "We are very excited to add a player of Gerald Wallace's caliber to the roster and feel that his athletic, defensive-minded style of play will be a great fit for us."
Wallace (6-7, 220) was named to the 2010 Eastern Conference All-Star Team and the 2009-10 All-Defensive First Team. In nine-plus seasons with Charlotte and Sacramento, Wallace holds career averages of 13.4 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.49 steals, 0.96 blocks and 30.5 minutes in 592 games (453 starts).
Wallace was originally selected with the 25th overall pick by the Sacramento Kings in the 2001 NBA Draft after his freshman season at the University of Alabama. Charlotte acquired Wallace during its expansion draft in 2004.
"Gerald is one of the top defenders in our league, and a player who brings energy and effort to the floor every night," said Trail Blazers Head Coach Nate McMillan. "I also want to acknowledge how great Joel, Dante and Sean have been for us, and I wish them all the best moving forward.
"Joel has been in Portland with me during my entire time here, and he really helped guide the organization in a new direction. He brought heart and a toughness that resonated with our fans and was a great example for our younger players."
Przybilla returned this season on Dec. 3 after recovering from double-right knee surgery and averaged 1.8 points, 3.9 rebounds and 14.4 minutes in 31 games (nine starts). In 395 games over seven seasons with the Trail Blazers, Przybilla averaged 4.8 points (57.8 FG), 7.3 rebounds and 1.54 blocks per game. He ranks fifth on Portland's all-time list with 606 career blocked shots.
Dante Cunningham played in 119 games (11 starts) for the Trail Blazers from 2009-11, averaging 4.4 points and 3.0 rebounds in 15.3 minutes. He posted averages of 5.1 points, 3.4 rebounds and 19.8 minutes in 56 games for Portland this season.
Sean Marks averaged 1.6 points, 1.4 rebounds and 7.2 minutes in 29 games for the Trail Blazers this season, his first in Portland.
The move brings Portland's roster to 13 players. Wallace will wear No. 3 with the Trail Blazers.
The first pick mentioned was the pick Portland acquired from the Hornets in the trade that sent guard Jerryd Bayless to the Hornets this fall.
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Welcome GW!
I’m looking forward to his debut!
Not obsessed with a championship. Just love watching basketball.
Two things:
1. Wallace to wear #3. Sweet! Just break out the old Sheed jerseys, tape over the “0,” and you’re good to go.
2. “I also want to thank Joel, Dante and Sean. Joel has been a warrior for this franchise over the past six and 1/2 seasons and Dante has played an important role in the success this team has had this season.” Sean, well, he was a good friend to Patty Mills.
by Roy Wonder on Feb 24, 2011 4:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Were you really putting value into that flag
based on the one remaining player still on the team?
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
just giddy about this move
“We are very excited to add a player of Gerald Wallace’s caliber to the roster and feel that his athletic, defensive-minded style of play will be a great fit for us.”
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Gerald Wallace
Defensive Win Shares, 09-10: 6.2
WHAAAAAAAA
Brown had that defense clicking last year
They had legit C depth that no team could really match, plus Felton (who’s at least a serviceable defender), S-Jax, and Crash.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Great deal
I am very happy with this trade. I am also excited that we didn’t give up both of our first round picks this season.
The "conditional" bit has to mean that the picks are protected, right?
And 2013 is still a ways off.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 4:38 PM PST reply actions
I think so
and given their conditionality, the B grade I gave earlier has risen to a B+, perhaps an A-
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
yes, protected up to #12 in 2013-14-15
the Blazers had better not be in the lottery in those 3 years
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
They are well over the cap and will be for the forseeable future
With the CBA the league wants we will not be able to sign significant free agents for a long time. However, Portland has never been a top free agent destination.
So how do they get a center, a PG and resign Batum? I really do think that this could come to hurt us.
Re-signing Batum is easy
Just use Bird rights in 17 months. If there are no more Bird rights, then Batum couldn’t have been retained anyway.
I don’t see how getting Wallace precludes getting a center or a PG. They get those things just like how other teams get them – through the draft, through free agency or through a trade.
N Centers are overrated anyway :D
Playing x2 PF’s is what Aldridge wants anyway yeah? (seems how he don’t wanna ever be called a C)
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
We do have 2 7 footers and two other guys who are capable of guarding
many PF’s, including All Star caliber 4’s like Chris Bosh and Carlos Boozer. We need some depth there, but we’re not in serious trouble.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Height isn't really size.
Camby doesn’t play like a big, you need gerthy banging guys, multiple guys like that.
We'll see :D
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
I won't argue there, and if we were going for a title, I'd be panicking
I think we’ll be ok, though. Perk is the only guy we might face in the playoffs who really scares me a little that we would need a particularly big player to handle. Maybe Bynum, but what are the odds that he isn’t playing hurt again?
LA, Camby, Crash, and Nic can handle Pau, Odom, Duncan, Blair, Nowitzki, Chandler, Ibaka, and Collison.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Exactly my point.
Draft? We gave up picks. Trade? Minimal assets left. Free Agency? Not if their over the cap.
our assets just went up, not down
we’ve bought picks before and we can do it again
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
don't forget this year's pick was the one we got from NO in the Bayless deal
it wasn’t even ours to begin with
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
We have plenty of assets
and as already mentioned, can purchase picks.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
This is probably why there were so many Laker fans at the game last night!
They have plenty of size. But guess what? It seems it was that guy KOBE…who beat the Blazers. I think KOBE is only about 6’6".
I think that is about how tall Michael Jordon was also..The Bulls managed to win plenty of championships with “servicable” centers. None of them were particularly fabulous.
The Blazers will probabaly be able to get one or two of these along the way.
I prefer to trust Cho and be optimistic….
Kobe was strong, but that size really wore LA down towards the end.
You can’t win without size or Don Nelson would have a handful of rings right now.
you can't win without talent either
we didn’t have enough of it, now we have more of it
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
it's a step towards elite talent
you can now trade Dre + Nic for CP3 if you want, or whatever is out there. I’m not gonna waste time arguing with you. This is a great day to be a Blazer and your doom and gloom is misplaced. Wallace was an all-star last year. He’s an incredible defender. This deal is good for the Blazers and you’re nitpicking and focusing too hard on small stuff if you think otherwise.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Go on record and call it a bad trade for us then
but don’t expect to let you forget that you did
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
wasting my time
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
go add up the production
of Bayless, Marks, Joel, Dante, and your average late first round pick…and you still don’t get what Gerald Wallace brings. You win in this league with top heavy rosters. We just consolidated a bunch of mediocres for an excellent player. We have more star power now. This was an excellent deal for us.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course Blazers got the best player, I never said they didn’t. Again, it’s big picture stuff like uhhh..money?
You’re putting a lot on the books for a position you already have filled. A guy that does risk btw. Almost 29 and his nickname is “crash” because he hits the floor all the time. Plays about 75 games a season and relies heavily on his athleticism to be productive. He’s also not great in a half court set. I’m also not one to scoff at draft picks, again look at the Spurs.
Is he a great fit? Is that much money worth it if it prevents you from being more financially flexable?
I guess it’s a wait and see but I have concerns.
I respect the concerns, I really do
but our perimeter versatility, lineup flexibility, star power, toughness, individual and team defense, all just went up significantly. Go read the comments to your other comment below. We passed on CP3 and DWill because we had Telfair. We passed on MJ because of Drexler. If you can get Wallace for mediocres you do it! It’s not like our roster didn’t have issues anyway! No one is saying this solves everything
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
No offense but you can't compare those passings.
Those were draft picks, players that nobody knew would produce or how much they would produce. This is getting a guy you know what he can do and it isn’t at the level or anywhere close to the level of Dwill and Jordan.
GW’s shelf life isn’t long because he “crashes” and he has nothing to fall back on once he “crashes” one too many times to the floor. Batum is not GW now, but he has more abilities than Wallace.
This could be a move that sends Batum packing. Whether in a trade or because the money Wallace puts on the books..in free agency.
What if he produces or deveolps into a better player than Wallace? Would we have traded for Wallace and lost out on Batum?
no, we wouldn't have
it’s not gonna happen. I know what Gerald Wallace can do and I think it’s a phenomenal fit for us. I think we gave up very little of value in this deal. Rich is conscious of the $, we’re not gonna allow ourselves to be forced to move Nic.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Lol Cho isn't in charge.
This is a total PA move. Cho, reportedly wanted to rebuild while PA wants to wheel and deal.
This reeks of Allen, not Cho.
IF you can’t afford to keep him because of what the Blazers are tied down to now than I think we lost out.
so you think PA put himself in a position where we can't bring Nic back
okey dokey
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
What do you think Batum is worth?
I’m telling you, money is gonna play a huge factor because of this deal on what the Blazers do from here on out.
This is basicaly it for Portland. They have to get what they can for Andre and Camby this Summer(need both those positions filled) and then what?
They’re done unless they want to deal Mattews/Batum and the rest of their picks.
It'll be ok
this deal was too good to pass up. Like I said, one of the picks we sent wasn’t even ours. Joel is a UFA anyway. Dante is a low rotation guy. Marks is nothing. We’ll see how it all plays out but I don’t see this being an issue as long as Paul Allen is still our owner
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
also
Wallace is 2 yrs + a player option…Wes is locked in for 4. Roy is the real handcuffer of a contract, we’ll have to see how the new CBA shakes out.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Paul will "S"pend "P"aul "A"llens "M"oney for Contention and if there's a will, Paul has the $$$ to find the way.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
does that make SPAM our new slogan?
haha
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
it's from a decade ago during patterson/wish....?? could never spell his name right the guys name rhymes with dip poo.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
the hilarious thing about this subthread is...
…they’re both right but are talking about different timescales.
Tactically, in the short term, this helps us.
Strategically, in the long term, it backs us further into the corner.
by MrCompletely on Feb 24, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
I guess my point is that it's just too good to pass up
based on the longterm implications. But yeah, you’re right.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
BRAVO......!
What a great debate. You two put on a really good argument… Intelligently spoken showing both sides without mudslinging.
at first, I was upset about Joel, after all, he has been loyal, and a very hard worker, a real team player and 1 of my favorites.
And second, I was concerned about Batum, and where it leaves him.
But after witnessing this conversation,i would have to side with sammymohawk. You, Mr. mohawk, have altered my thinking.
Congratulations, the both of you.
I was entertained and learned something.
Thanks!
Go Blazers, and maybe we will get Joel back, huh?
Miller and Batum for Paul?
Wait for it… Hahahahaha!
Come on that ridiculous, unless the plan is to throw in 3 future 1st Round picks too
by westsportsbias on Feb 24, 2011 5:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
seen CP3 lately?
that’s not the point, the point is net assets UP. And Nic was supposedly a holdup on a CP3 deal in the past. Obviously more would be involved. Come on people! Focus on the point I’m making, not the example I’m using.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Throwing Camby into that deal
and taking back Okafor might do it. We’ll find out next season.
big picture:
talent level: UP
gross assets: UP
personnel flexibility: UP
WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
There will still be "Bird rights"
otherwise, too much player turn over and the less-involved fans will get confused as to who plays where, and who to root for on their hometown team.
The ability to retain players long-term on a team is very, very good and very, very important to the success of the NBA.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Under current CBA we will be extending Batum by end of Oct or after lockout ends.
Of course new CBA could change the rules for extending rookie contracts.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Please elaborate
Today was the last chance to get something for Joel. I’m glad the franchise turned Joel into Wallace.
Standing pat wouldn’t have gotten the Blazers under the cap next year.
I’d argue that getting Wallace improves the ability of the franchise to get better players to Portland, more so than hanging onto Dante and the draft picks.
by Storyteller on Feb 24, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think some people just want to think about all of the possible worst case scenarios.
Why be happy about what is going on when you get to think about all of the possible horrible future things that may possibly but probably will never happen.
seriously
I, for one, am happy. : ) see? Everyone should join me
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dustructo is just unhappy that Miller is still around
and Andre may finally see what it’s like to play on a team that wins a playoff series, this April
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I really really really hope so
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
i worry about December 12, 2012?
That is something i’d like to NOT happen.
I’m not worried about the Blazers, they are our entertainment.
Albeit, entertainment that can warm or break the same heart.
Until that December day next year……. Go BLAZERS!
After he acquired Wallace and his 10M+ per year deal, it tells me one of 2 things
Either Paul Allen is going to spend beau coup luxury tax dollars this year, and next (assuming Camby’s contract isn’t moved, after the season)
Or, the owner already “knows something” about the new CBA and how there will be another amnesty clause to use to buy out the final years of Roy’s deal
With Matthews, Batum and Wallace on board (along with LMA and hopefully Greg) the franchise could move on and still do very well, even if Brandon never recovers his full mobility
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Beaucoup is one word
Nic Batum just cried a single tear that one of his biggest fans can’t spell French words…
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
oh snap!
he went there
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
What picks do the Blazers still have?
So we traded away New Orleans 2011 pick, do we still have our own 2011 first round pick or did we lose that in some other deal?
And do we have a 2012 first round pick?
Portland has drafted 7 players the last 2 Junes
I am so not worried about the team not having future draft picks. Paul Allen loves the draft, he will never sit one out
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That's a concern too.
In a place like Portland draft picks is key to sustaining success for a long period of time. Two first rounders for a borderline all-star who doesn’t fill a position you need…and doesn’t have great longevity…it’s a bit much.
It’s gonna be hard to make another big move without giving up more picks and at some point you’re stuck with what you have with no assets to speak of. It’s a dangerous road when you play the trade game and this is the beginning of that road.
we can buy picks
this was not a bit much. This is an amazing trade for us. We are worrying about things that while legitimate concerns, are dwarfed by the fact that our roster just got MUCH better.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not convinced it did.
You’re still behind the rest of pack. The position they need the most is still C and PG..not SF. Unless the Blazers think Batum is expendable now. I’d rather have Batum because A) he’s younger B) he isn’t restricted to just his athleticism.
Look at the Spurs. Blair, Neal and Hill. These guys are the backbone of that team and a big reason why they are where they are right now. They are bargain players, maxiumum effort, minimal salary. This is why the Spurs are the best franchise in the league they understand their restraints. They play it smart and it allows them to stay competitive year after year.
When you start wheeling and dealing(this is the begining btw) and start losing out on those precious vaule players…it gets a little scary. If they want to make more moves to improve the club with this much salary on the book it’s gonna have to be through trades. That means more draft picks being sent out and some of your other assets(Mathews/Batum) being dealt too.
This makes me nervous, it might make you better immediately..but how long will last before the avalanche starts heading down?
Are you kidding? Not trading for Wallace because you have Batum is like not drafting Jordan because you have Drexler
Or trading down for Martell Webster, seeing as you don’t need Chris Paul or Deron Williams with Sebastian Telfair on the roster.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
by HailOden! on Feb 24, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
seconded
We’re not in a big enough market to ignore trades like this
We're also not big enough to give up draft picks for second and third tier players.
Again…look at SA. Most of their roster is homgrown, guys they got in the draft. They only made one major trade and that was for Jefferson and they gave up no picks to get him.
Yeah, he isn't a third tier player.
He’s basically the best rebounding SF in the league and one of the top 20 defenders.
His scoring is fine and I love that he draws fouls, but that’s all gravy compared to everything else. I’m not sure a better role player exists.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Okay okay the whole negative nancy bit is getting old..
I understand your concerns, I really do. But were you not concerned with our team at all before this? As far as I’m concerned, our drafting was not working. We haven’t won any championships with our supposedly superior drafting lately and it’s time to shake things up a bit and try something new. Give Cho a chance, I think he just might have more up his sleeve than you think. I love this trade, we’ll do just fine in the draft.
relax man, we have more assets to work with now than we did yesterday, that's not debatable
you’re overreacting. I’m not gonna get into a drawn out debate over this. One of the picks we sent wasn’t even ours to begin with, this deal was basically Bayless, Dante, Joel, Marks, and a 2013 protected pick for Gerald Freaking Wallace. We still have our original pick for this year, we still have our pick for next year. I don’t get the doom and gloom at all…there is no reason not to be happy about this. We might even be able to bring Joel back in a month.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Ok, guys....
I think we should do to you guys what my grandmother did to my brother and I when we fought.
“you, go to one side of the house. And you, go to the other side before somebody gets hurt.”
:)
Gerald Wallace and Nicolas Batum are vastly diffrent type of players, so not sure how he'll ...
get in his way—especially since Crash will likely see many of his minutes at the 4 in a smallball lineup. Now, I agree that center and point guard are positions that need a long-term solution — as is finding a wing who can put the ball on the floor, create for himself, and facilitate for others — which’ll hopefully be handled in June. Though, with regards to the center position, I think re-signing Greg Oden and hoping he gets healthy is the best bet, no matter if it’s seen as a high-risk proposition.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
this was also true before the trade
Now, I agree that center and point guard are positions that need a long-term solution
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Right, with my solution at point guard being to draft Nolan Smith this June.
Smith is set to be an immediate impact player, such as Darren Collison recently.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
would love to get Smith
I think he represents a lot of the things we are looking for. Mostly I was making the point to Dustructo that we were flawed before the trade and we are flawed after, but we are better after, and we shouldn’t lose sight of that because we’re still flawed.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
The biggest thing I like about Nolan Smith is he's got a high floor and would ...
be a safe pick. A much better use of resources than what the team did in this past year’s draft by taking Elliot Williams and Armon Johnson.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
great way to put it with the high floor
he does a lot of things well, is very solid already in a lot of areas. No need to take a huge swing and a miss trying to hit a home run this June if we can line a single right back up the middle. We already have runners on base.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Got a solution for center, a big one
first name starts with a G, last name starts with an Oden
That's for sure.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
rhymes with peg bloden
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
the spurs are good
largely because of tim & manu. either of them gets hurt and that team will not be elite. yes they’ve used the draft well to get role players, but if neal and hill were playing on lottery teams, no one would talk about them.
blair on the other hand, well that was just the rest of the league being wrong about his health risks.
the blazers needs a better core much more than they need late 1st round picks to add role players. i also believe that they can play wallace and batum at the same time.
by colinmarsh on Feb 24, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
If Oden and Roy were healthy we would be so stacked it’s not even funny. That’s like the equivalent of Duncan and Ginobs going down.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
but this is spot on:
the blazers needs a better core much more than they need late 1st round picks to add role players. i also believe that they can play wallace and batum at the same time.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Thanks for making the point
The 3 players you just named – Hill, Neal and Blair – were either drafted at the very bottom of the 1st round (Hill) or drafted in the 2nd round (Neal and Blair).
Portland has a 1st round pick this year. Portland has a 2nd round pick this year. Portland has a 1st round pick this year. Portland has a 2nd round pick this year. But it can’t get quality players out of the draft? Ridiculous.
As for the argument that free agency cannot be used since Portland is over the cap, I simply point out Wesley Matthews.
Finally, there is the possibility of improving by trade, as you mention. But it is hardly the situation that it’s ‘gonna have to be through trades’
Portland improving is not a given. But it’s absolutely possible with the current assets.
by Storyteller on Feb 24, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
First round and second round draft picks should be more affordable this year than years past
So purchasing them is very likely from teams tight on money.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
teams outside of the lottery could look to save on paying a guaranteed contract to a player from a weak draft.
And could benefit financially from selling the pick. An opportunity to attain assets.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Late first round picks
Are often liabilities. You have to pay them. That’s why teams are willing to sell them.
by doomsdaymachine on Feb 24, 2011 5:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So all the more we need another big
This clears the roster and allows the Blazers freedom to sign players bought out and released or called up from D-league. With Aldridge, Batum, Wallace and Camby we have a more formidable front line. So glad we still have Miller and Camby.
The Thunder and Blazers got much better and the Jazz and Nuggets much worse this week.
The Thunder
got worse. They lost their 3rd best player.
LaMarcus Aldridge's "All-Star Snub Tour" comming to a city near you.
If Perkins is healthy...
… he’s exactly what they need.
Not true
Ibaka is already their third best player, and an argument could be made that either Harnden or Thabo is next (personally, I think Perk becomes their 4th best player). This gives them balance they need. They were really heavy on marginal PF’s who are too undersized to play C. Perk gives them the balance they needed.
They could use some utility shooters, but with legit post defense, they just got scary good.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Yeah, they're pretty poor when it comes to three-point shooters at the wing positions.
The only player on that team who’s got the potential to fill that role is Daequan Cook; however, he’s pretty one-dimensional.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Nah, he's still there.
OKC traded Mo Peterson.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
i saw someone else make this same argument
and i still don’t agree with it. the thunder can still put two reasonably good 3 pt shooters on the floor the majority of the time using durant, harden & cook. i think maynor is a reasonable good as well.
they sorely lacked size, defenders & defensive rebounders. i think they have a lot more line up flexibility now.
i think this was a significant upgrade for them and they knew they weren’t resigning green.
I agree, for the most part
But they are still one of the worst 3pt shooting teams. Durant, though not a great shooter in the NBA so far, cannot be left open from the perimeter. Any attempt to get another shooter on the floor with the starters will be a significant downgrade in talent, unless they bring in Harden for Sefolosha (which downgrades their perimeter D) or Ibaka (sliding Durant to the 4 in a small-ball lineup). Their best lineups will not be very good shooting units, and if one of their shooters goes down, things will get very problematic.
If I’m Sam Presti, I’d have Durant on the phone to Jason Kopono telling him how much he would love to play with him in OKC.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Westbrook isn;t a good outside shooter either
At least not from deep. His points come off dribble penetration and mid range
you wouldn't know it against Portland last November
dude killed us from 15-18 feet in those games
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
it was still effective
you can’t leave him open, and if you crowd Russ he’ll blow past
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
their 3 pt shooting isn't good
but they are phenomenal at getting to the line and nothing they did today will make them any worse at that. they also added nate robinson, which i had forgotten. he’s having a mediocre year from 3 so far but he’s been good from there in recent years.
i don’t think they’re winning the west by any means but i think they are the clear #3 in the west now.
Mavs flying under the radar
beware
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
better this year though, right?
too bad about Caron for them, although it would be crazy for me to feel pity for them given Oden and Roy
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
they seem much better this year
but it was pretty pitiful how awful they played without dirk. doesn’t give one much confidence in the supporting cast.
definitely not to take charge
but as long as they have Dirk, the Mavs are a real threat. I think the West is WIDE open…I don’t buy that the Spurs or Lakers are dominant this time around. I could see 5 teams (LA, SA, OKC, DAL, POR) really make hard pushes for the WCF. Yes I am serious about including us in that group, although I don’t consider our chances or OKC’s chances as high as the other 3.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
is he? I thought it was a season ender
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
no
he’s talked about it but i think that’s about at the same level as the rumors of oden returning in the playoffs last year. that would be an insane pace to recover from that kind of injury
and he'd be out of game shape and rusty
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Dallas shot itself in the foot by not moving Caron Butler for something ...
of immediate value.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I forgot about that, too
He’ll need to be covered on the perimeter, even when he’s not hot. Few benches can match up to his athleticism when he’s checked in.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Oh, I like the acquisitions of Kendrick Perkins and Nazr Mohammed for OKC.
My only point there was that one of OKC’s flaws is substandard three-point shooting.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Thunder got solid down low
that means they got a lot scarier
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
better equipped for the playoffs
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Nah, they're better now than they were yesterday.
Jeff Green is widely overrated by some people — although it seems more folks are starting to see that — while Kendrick Perkins and Nazr Mohammed gives OKC much-needed bulk at the center position.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I'm worried about Perks health
He just suffered a “mild sprain” on his non-operated MCL. That’s just within twelve games of coming back from the ACL tear.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
Yeah, but I believe OKC looks at Kendrick Perkins as a short-term stopgap.
Once the new CBA is in order, I assume that they’ll push hard to acquire Nene.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
it's a risk
but perkins has been very healthy outside of the ligament tear. if it goes badly, they don’t have to resign him.
The rumored deal two years ago
was Wallace for RLEC and Batum.
Today, Portland gets Wallace. They get to keep Batum. They get to keep the player obtained through cap savings from RLEC (Miller).
Better late than never…..
by Storyteller on Feb 24, 2011 4:43 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
One 18-10 year from a 16-8 player is worth Miller's 13-8 and Batum's 12-5
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Great deal. Wallace is not only a good player, but another tradable asset in the future. Joel was leaving this summer anyway.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Joel was leaving this summer anyway.
Don’t think that has legs.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
He said he was considering retirement or possibly playing for the Bucks.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
No.
He said he was considering retirement after this season either way.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Finally some consolidation!
I feel bad for Joel and DC, but I’m sure Joel knew the likelihood because of his contract situation, and DC should be getting a good chunk of wallace’s playing time.
With all that said, I’ve been a Gerald Wallace fan since the first year the Bobcats were established. He was their diamond in the rough, and chose to shine regardless of how much the rough smelled like something much worse.
yeah, but instead of consolidating guards or wings, they consolidated big men
oh well, Rich said they would pow-wow tomorrow AM and come up with a solution.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Let's get a game started already... I wanna see it work.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
the real question
is what number will chris paul where next season
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
great, because what we really need is...
…another massive contract for a player with no knees left.
Chris Paul is one hard landing from being Brandon Roy.
Think about that.
by MrCompletely on Feb 24, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Crash LA!
We got two more chances at em:)
"Im ready for a fight..." -Joel Przybilla
by KillaPrzydollaBILLA on Feb 24, 2011 4:46 PM PST reply actions
Another reason to love this trade
Wallace absolutely destroys the Lakers. He’s the main reason the bobcats have a winning franchise record against LA.
… We finally have a Wallace In a blazers jersey that can beat the lakers….
by JMLakaShotCaller on Feb 24, 2011 4:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Love It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
… We finally have a Wallace In a blazers jersey that can beat the lakers….
LaMONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could've used him last night on ronron
by doomsdaymachine on Feb 24, 2011 5:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yep
this was one of the main reasons why I liked the rumor when I first heard it, as long as Batum and Miller didn’t have to be involved
Cho and Allen waited out MJ/Charlotte and acquired their target, while giving up the least possible assets
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Andre Miller will be long gone before this team competes for a championship.
As it is, though, I like holding onto Miller through June, since he gives this team a shot right now to make the second round of the playoffs this postseason — although the Portland Trail Blazers aren’t in a position to go any further than that — and then have his non-guaranteed contract dealt at or around draft day for something of more long-term value.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Speaking of the PG situation,
Do you really think that Nolan Smith can be the starting point man on an NBA title team? I’m not trying to argue against picking him, I’m asking a serious question.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
To me, it's more important for this team to get a wing player who can put the ball ...
on the floor, create looks for himself, and facilitate for teammates. With Brandon Roy as a shell of his former self, he’s not the answer to that. Nicolas Batum and Wesley Matthews aren’t the answer, either, as they’ve both got spotty handles — specifically Batum, who’s an abysmal dribbler and passer for a wing — thus, a deal will eventually have to be made to satisfy that need. Upon getting that piece, the point guard position just needs a person who’s young, well-rounded offensively, able to knock down 3s, careful and the basketball, and capable defensively … like Nolan Smith.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I like keep Miller until the next trade deadline
And seeing how GO fits in the picture. If you trade Miller in June, you have to trade a core piece to get a PGOTF back, and I want to see how close we are to contention through the summer signings are GO’s return
who are dash and smash?
someone on Canzano just said that the Blazers now have Smash, Dash and Crash on the team?
Am only listening bc the news conference is coming up.
Greg Smash and Patty Dash? I have no idea...
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Wallace can defend Artest or Odom
Matthews and Batum can check K*be, or at least try to
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
tj ford
center
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Ford is terrible.
I don’t know if that helps much. I would rather sign two bigs.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
he cant be worse than patty
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
T.J. Ford is a better floor general than Patty Mills, but his bad long-range shooting is an issue.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
we can have the worst distance shooting duo at PG
since the 3 pt line was adopted
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
its not like patty has been lighting it up from downtown
just 29%
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
At least Patty plays on both sides of the floor.
I’m talking left/right, not offense/defense.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
TJ has veteran experience
coaches like that kind of thing, Portland doesn’t have a backup PG who has been an NBA starter, to stick out there in case Miller is hurt (which never happens, but there has to be a first time, right?) I’ve been concerned about this since last summer (even before the Bayless trade) and it’s good to hear that the Blazers are thinking about bringing in a backup veteran PG, even if it’’s just for insurance
if Roy is healthy, I expect Brandon and Rudy to play the bulk of the backup minutes at the 1-2. (If Roy isn’t healthy, then Ford could get some run)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
T.J. Ford is pretty bad, though, as he's undersized, porous defensively, and can't shoot a lick.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Troy Murphy might be one
Joel coming back might be another. Finally, a D-leaguer might be attractive. Including Marks means they have replacement already in mind.
It's odd how much love is being given to Troy Murphy, who's the worst defender in the NBA.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
You've been utterly silent on the Wallace deal so far.
First post I see from you and it’s a ding on Troy Murphy? ROFL
Seriously tho, curious to hear your take on this deal.
"By the transitive property of General Manager idiocy, this means the Blazers traded Deron Williams for next year's heavily protected 1st Round Hornets pick plus the rights to Joel Freeland..." - Timbo
by conspirator5 on Feb 24, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I like it.
It’s a sharp use of assets — as Joel Przybilla had to be dealt, Dante Cunningham is a fungible piece, and the draft picks aren’t anything extreme — and Gerald Wallace helps this team out at the 4. With the goal this season now set at making the second round of the playoffs, Wallace can help with that objective. His contract is fair, too, which is nice.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
He's nearly 7 feet tall, rebounds, and shoots 3's
I’ll agree with you that he’s overrated, but you have to admit, he has a good skill set if you’re looking to fill out a bench.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
He's such a massive liability on defense that it negates everything else about his game.
I’d rather see Sean Marks out there.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
He MUST be a better rebounder than Marks
or maybe not. Off to your Stat Cave, AK
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 24, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Murphy is a good defensive rebounder, but he leaves his man wide open all the time.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Wow, I'm not saying Murphy isn't terrible
but really, Marks is one of the worst players in the NBA. At the very least, his defensive rebounding and shooting is an upgrade over Marks.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I don't think people appreciate how truly awful Troy Murphy is on defense.
I hope that some contending team signs Murphy, so that he can be exposed for the sieve he is this postseason.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
signed by boston
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
A center would be nice :(
feels like Blazer management is throwing in the towel this season. No mater how good Crash may be, what if something happens to LA or Marcus ???
"We've got to get stops ! " ...... Nate McMillan
Przybilla and Ford
D-League big man in the meantime while we wait for Przy
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Jeff Adrien
Leon Powe
Jared Jeffries
I’m sure this base will not be left uncovered, for long
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Joel had a nice swan song against the L*kers
I’m sad to see him go. He has been the anchor of our front line forever, and no one on the court is as tough as he is.
Dante also had a good run with us, but Wallace will do well here.
Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Williams, Duckworth. The greatest starting 5 ever.
by Bib Fortuna on Feb 24, 2011 4:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Przy blocked K*be
that’s how we should remember him, if he decides to hang ’em up this week
Bowie was traded for Buck Williams, Joel brought Gerald Wallace. Not bad at all
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Like it.
Never forget that Wallace is a player today, as well as a asset for future value should we go that direction. He, Aldridge and Camby will consume all the minutes at PF and Center. He was, in fact, the best available rebounder of all of those traded. Let’s not forget that. And, he brings more defensive toughness and scoring to the front line. In turn, we lost one first round draft choice, and Pryz. Pryz may just come back though. You never know.
by Eben Calder on Feb 24, 2011 4:50 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Good call!
I hope Joel does end up getting bought out so he could re-sign with us. That would be cool.
'Mar-cus Cam-by' (clap-clap, clap clap clap). - Rose Garden
'That was the only game I could go to this season, and it freakin' ruled.' - P.Roy
\m/
Absolutely. Joel was gone this summer for nothing. Wallace is a good player AND a tradable asset in the future.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Are we already looking to
GWEC in 2013?
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
Nope, but a tradable GW, is worth a lot more in the future than a retired (or playing elsewhere) Joel.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome 'Crash'.
I ran across this site awhile back that should give us some fun ‘Chuck Norris’ style facts about our new forward. ;) http://geraldwallacefacts.blogspot.com/
I’m pretty intrigued about how he fits into the lineup
Welcome Gerald and GO BLAZERS!
'Mar-cus Cam-by' (clap-clap, clap clap clap). - Rose Garden
'That was the only game I could go to this season, and it freakin' ruled.' - P.Roy
\m/
make this a fanshot
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
2 roster spots
I’d like to see Murphy or kapono (who’s gonna get bought out)
The other spot will already take up one spot
by JMLakaShotCaller on Feb 24, 2011 4:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
When exactly would Kopono get on the floor?
I guess he’d be fun to watch hitting 3’s pregame, but that doesn’t seem like a good reason to pick up a player.
Think TJ Ford & Przybilla/D league big
by 52therim on Feb 24, 2011 5:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No Kapono!
completely agree about Ford/Przy/D League big
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Gerald Wallace will wear..
Number 3 http://twitter.com/#!/oregoniansports
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
Joel, Dante, Sean
good guys. And Wallace is a good guy with tremendous talent.
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 4:57 PM PST reply actions
Doesn't Joel have to pass a physical for the deal to become official?
If I recall correctly, OKC was set to add Chandler last year before the physical.
GW still has to pass the physical too
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Im pretty sure CHA wanted him stritcly for the cap relief.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 24, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
That's almost certainly the case.
Just not sure if the outcome of the physical has a mandatory effect on the trade. In other words, does the trade become void if Joel fails or can the Bobcats say, “We don’t care—we just want the cap space?”
yeah
injured guys get traded all the time
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I could be wrong..
But I believe the pick this year is a top 3 protected pick from New Orleans, and they will obviously pick much higher. But it also looks as though we are giving Charlotte the pick conditionally which I assume means if New Orleans is in the lottery (unlikely but possible) we would then still have the pick to use.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 24, 2011 5:08 PM PST reply actions
then we would transfer our pick to CHA?
any clarity here would be appreciated.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 24, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
appears to be top 3 protected this year for hornets pick, and then the 2013 pick is top 12 protected through 2015 unprotected in 20166
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 24, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
good question
If Portland gets to keep the NO pick if it is #8-15, that is a sweet clause.
I think NO could very well drop into lottery territory by the end of the season.
Although what doesn’t make sense: In the 1st round pick of its own that Portland gave to Charlotte, it is top 12 protected, which means if Portland gets to keep it the first year they get the same top 12 protected pick the following year.
But if Portland made the deal with Charlotte so that the NO pick is protected to Portland if a lower lottery pick (NO keeps it if an upper lottery pick), then what draft pick does Charlotte eventually get to make up for Portland getting to keep the NO pick? Maybe Portland’s own 2011 pick?
congrats on getting g. wallace
his ability to get to the line + rebound should help portland further limit opposing team’s transition baskets and create more 2nd chance points.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Trading Production
Wallace this season:
15.6 ppg
8.2 rpg
39 minutes
Prizzy, Dante, Marks combined:
7.8 ppg
8.2 rpg
37 minutes
Seems like a pretty clear upgrade to me. Obviously, they don’t play the same positions, so some musical chairs will be in order, but there will still be just about the same amount of minutes to go around.
My guess: Batum plays a lot more stretch 4 and Blazers play ‘small’ a lot—which has been working fairly well recently.
by JasonCantDunk on Feb 24, 2011 5:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Welcome Gerald
our new and improved Kobe stopper.
andre shut kobe down the two times he guarded him
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt you'll see Gerald Wallace on a shooting guard like Kobe.
With Wallace, he’s best used guarding someone like Lamar Odom and, of course, providing help defense as a shot blocker.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
cho agrees with you
he talks about him guarding artest and odom
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
They'll just switch everything.
He can guard Kobe just about as well as Batum or Matthews.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Matthews, Wallce, Batum....
All strong, interchangeable perimeter defenders that like to run. See a trend?
There'll be no change in tempo.
So far this season, the Trail Blazers are playing at a pace factor of 88.5 possessions per 48 minutes. By season’s end, I expect that number to still be in the 88 range.
The only change I could see occurring is the pace factor going up a slight bit due to the dip in offensive rebounding when going with a smallball lineup — as Gerald Wallace is a mediocre offensive rebounder, with most of his damage on the glass coming on the defensive end — since offensive rebounds extend a given possession. Still, that’ll only have a marginal effect.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
But as I'm sure you realize, just because we won't see much increase in pace factor
McMillan’s possession limiting style will not necessarily preclude an increase in transition scoring.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
you seen him scream at brandon last night for trying to walk the ball up the court yeah? :D
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
True, Gerald Wallace's versatility works well for Nate's stupid SOS pressure defense.
I’d rather just watch guys play man-to-man defense, though.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
He's a great man defender. Maybe the best in the league at his position.
I wonder if he will be down for switching.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it'd might be a tough adjustment at first.
One major issue with having him switch onto the perimeter at times is it’ll take away from his shot blocking prowess as a help defender inside.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
The big thing Bob Ociepka is known for is being a heavy advocate of trapping, which ...
I haven’t seen a whole lot of here. Oh, and by the way, this team still switches a ridiculous amount off of picks. However, the SOS pressure defense is sometimes swapped out for the even more gimmicky matchup zone at what appears to be a higher rate than in past seasons. That last part is kind of odd, though, since Dean D. was the one who originally brought the matchup zone to the table, but he’s gone now.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
And if you think about all the new additions in the past two years...
They are all defensive minded players that can score. kinda a trend right?
Welcome Wallace, I will miss you Joel. When you are on you are a monster in the paint and a tough teammate that stood up for others!!! You Rock, Good luck in Charlotte!!
Cho and Larry Miller live now
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Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
End of an era with pryz
Pryz was the first free agent that really represented closing the book on SPAM and the first concrete move toward ending the jail blazers. He was there through the entire rebuilding process, just wish he could end his career here. He was the best part of watching the team in the pre Roy/alrdridge years. Pouring out a forty for my pryz
by bunk moreland on Feb 24, 2011 5:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Przy was a great Blazer
and even on his way out the door, he helped the team
hopefully he’ll be back in April and kick some more L*ker backside
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
fake an injury so he can where it on the court
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
We'll say it's padding to protect
against future head injuries.
top 12 protected through 2015
unprotected in 2016
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM PST reply actions
I like that Cho doesn't brag.
Pritchard would have been so smug about this.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 5:27 PM PST reply actions
This is true.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
KP was plenty humble in the beginning
but Penn and LaGarie were a bad influence on him
(according to BT Smith’s research)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Tom Penn does come across as somewhat smarmy on ESPN.
Penn, however, has a lawyer background, so that’s unsurprising.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
someone just asked if there was reluctancy to add Sean Marks?
Cho said no. :D
"Don’t listen to your critics. Listen to your fans."
— Michael Scott, The Office
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 5:27 PM PST reply actions
haha...what a question to ask
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
he actually said no, you have to give up assets in order to get something in return.
Or something close to that.
#52
#3
(but … I miss you already Przy and Dante)
"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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He's hiding in the corner with a trencoat and thinks he's invisible.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
What a jam packed smallish line up they could make...
Andre-pg
Wes-sg
Nico-sf
Crash-pf
L-train-c (pf)
Pretty solid with Roy and Camby, plus the rest of the bench it is fairly solid. And if we get a back up point thats a little more consistent and GO comes back!!!
Yeah that's the lineup i'm looking forward to
Small line up WITH defense. Pretty imposing IMHO. Also like the fact that GW can rebount above his height.
Agreed!!! Super interesting how this panned out, Crash is a versatile banger...
he might be exactly what we need a solid defensive scoring tweener. Thanks Jordan for the fire sale.
they finally added a banger who's not a stiff
it’s a good day to be a Blazer
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
All of the nba pundits seem to think that OKC came out of this trade like gangbusters..
and that they have a chance to go to the WCF. Really? They traded their 3rd best player and their starting center for a guy who’s coming off a bad knee injury. Sure, he’s going to bring toughness and rebounding but…I don’t know….
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
i think it is a great trade for them
green as bad, and their biggest need is interior D
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
i guess i'll have to see them play...
but i’m not entirely convinced they could go to the WCF….
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
me neither
but they did get better
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Suns got there last year
Even with Amar’e that says a lot.
The Thunder have been needing to get solid down low
they just did that. It scares me. Whether they can go WCF remains to be seen, but I don’t think teams want to see the Blazers or Thunder this playoffs. Whoever gets Utah, NO, Denver, or someone else on the bottom half is very lucky.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yep. or memphis and the suns if they manage to sneak in
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Once they get Gay back, Memphis should be tough
Battier is a huge upgrade for them.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I mean, not nearly as tough as the bottom 4 last year, but no cake walk
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
you'd still rather see them than the Blazers or Thunder I'd imagine
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Fo' sho'
All 3 teams have 2 players that could have been All Stars, but in terms of overall, healthy talent + coaching, it goes 1)Thunder 2) Blazers 3) Memphis 4) Whichever 2 teams make it out of Denver, Utah, Phoenix, and Houston.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
and if all of our talent was healthy
there would be very few teams ahead of us on that list (“if any” he said quietly to himself)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Old Roy, full strength Oden, and LMA 2.0 alone would put us in the top 5
with Rudy, Nic, Crash, Miller, Matthews, and Camby as mere role players? Yeah, we’d be good.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
it makes me wistful to think about
it’s the same thoughts I had before the Oden and Roy nightmares. I can only hope that one season or one playoffs it will all come together and we will be an unstoppable force.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
it's funny
the Roy and Oden ordeal led to this point…where many of our guys have shown their worth, developed significantly, learned to win without those two. Lamarcus has turned elite. We just got Gerald Wallace. If Oden does come back and if we can get contributions from Roy (or buyout his contract under the new CBA)? We will have an embarrassment of riches. Aka, we will be freaking stacked. Imagine if a juggernaut had a baby with a buzzsaw, that’s what we’ll be.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
or a juggernaut sized buzzsaw
either way, don’t get in our way
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I don't see enough perimeter shooting for them to be consistent
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
let's hope not
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
A lot of it depends on how well Perkins rebounds from his injury.
However that turns out, though, the trade makes Ibaka a starter, which makes them MUCH better defensively.
Plus, both big men are free agents this summer.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I don't really want to assume the nature or the community out in OKC
but with Omri Casspi getting threats in Sacremento. Would Nazr Mohammed get the same reaction in OKC?
I feel like this isn’t a very respectable topic and probably shouldn’t have brought it up.
I don’t want to appear as if I am assuming of the mid-west or central USA. Thought I’d ask.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
It only takes one to make it a problem.
And there are those ones out there. Some live in the mid-west. Some live in New York. Some live downtown Portland. Having lived out in the midwest for a few years, I think the likelihood of that happening is similar no matter where he goes.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't that wowed by the Thunder trade
I kinda think Perkins is overrated somewhat
they needed muscle in the middle though, and they definitely got it
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
You're absolutely right, they did
Nened Kristic wasn;t going to cut it. But Perkins doesn’t seem like that stud in the middle to be trading youe third leading scorer for. Granted, Green isn’t that great IMO, but they don’t really have a proven 3rd scoring option anymore. They did help the interior defense however. It’s kinda even steven from my viewpoint, although necessary if they can ge Harden to be that 3rd option.
That trade was nothing like the coup Cho pulled off though.
To me, I think we're a better team than OKC
We’re certainly much deeper than they are, and have at least as much size in the middle. I think we could beat them in a playoff series
i don't see how you could argue we're deeper
we were thin to begin with and just made a 2 for 1 trade giving up a center. our big man 4/5 rotation is now aldridge / camby ( if /when healthy) & wallace.
we used our assets well but i’d describe us as paper thin at the 4/5 now.
We're not paper thin at 4 by any stretch
LMA and Wallace will share time there. We’re thin at the 5, and that’s a bit of a concern, however I think LMA will get minutes there and they’ll have Wallace slide to 4 when they do.
I think we’re deeper because we have a much more balanced lineup. Both teams are set at PG, although Westbrook is better, OKC has Durant but we have We$, Batum or Wallace who can play the 3, hence more depth. Our Bench is way better than their bench, and hopefully a healthy ROy emphasizes that point.
I still think OKC is a piece or two away to be honest
aldridge is our center
camby is hurt so unless we’re announcing wallace at center, aldridge is it. camby has a long history of injury issues and wallace is a tweener 3/4, not really the guy you want as #2 on your big man depth chart.
i don’t think either team is winning a title but right now okc has a lot more healthy and available depth than we do.
We’re certainly much deeper than they are, and have at least as much size in the middle.
I forgot they picked up Nazr Mohammed, so they may have more interior size. But he’s not that good outside of rebounding.
"may have?"
their big men: perkins, ibaka, mohammed, collison
our bis men: aldrige, camby (injured)
Yeah but
Perkins, Mohammed and collison aren;t that great, and Ibaka is still gaining traction in the NBA. We have a Top 7 rebounder in Camby, LaMonster and a 1st team all dfensive NBA in the front court.
Heck
Mohammed and Collison are practically filler
Mohammed is having a surprisingly good year
Perkins is solid. My opinion of Collison is pretty low. He is ultra mediocre.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I think he fouls a lot
I’m too lazy to look it up
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I don't follow him too closely
I just remember a few stat lines from him that seemed much better than what I thought he could do…I think he had a 20/20 game earlier this year which probably raised my opinion of him more than it should have
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
perkins was a tremendous low post defender
before the injury.
he was the key to why the celtics man-handled orlando because perkins single-covered howard all the time, keep him out of the post and kept him from dominating the boards.
collison is a good rebounding and reserve PF and he draws a lot of charges, ibaka is a great shot blocker and mohammed is insurance.
we have two guys!! only one of whom is healthy. the other is 37 years old with a long history of injuries.
i love the enthusiasm but you’re wearing some think fan goggles here, our big man rotation is an issue.
Again, we have 3 Guys
Wallace is a great rebounder at the SF, and easily rebounds like a PF. So I count three guys.
Besides, we gain more quickness and outside shooting with what we lack in size. Mohhamed, Collison, and Ibaka cant all be out on the floor toegther
LMA, Crash and a healthy Camby
and whatever decent backup big we pick up should be just fine against the OKC front court.
Ibaka seemed to slow LMA up a little but Crash and Roy gives us the ability to put more pressure on their defense.
We’re definitely thin but that doesn’t mean Camby won’t “suddenly” get better and the FO won’t pick up someone else to fill in at C/PF.
I have no doubt that we’re better than OKC. We’ll get a chance to test that soon enough.
I think they must be confident that Harden is ready to take on that scoring load
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Green was inefficient anyway
Plus, Ibaka gets a bigger role, they get Nasty Nate, and Perk is better offensively than Krstic (unless we’re talking about the chair-throwing offense; even then, Perk might have an advantage)
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I donno about Perkins being better offensively than Krstic
Splitting hairs there but much better defensively
they're different
Perkins is power, Krstic is finesse
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Perkins has never averaged more than 10.1 PPG in the NBA
Granted he was always the 4th or 5th option in Boston, but not even pre Garnett, Allen or Rondo did he get that high. It will be hack-a-pPerkins come playoff time and he doesn;t pass either.
I like the trade but only marginally
he's still pretty young though
I wouldn’t put much stock in his very early years…Krstic is a vet
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
ibaka moves to the starting lineup
they might swap thabo and harden now so one of them is a bench player along with maynor. i would guess their starting lineup will now be
westbrook, sefalosha, durant, ibaka, perkins
bench: harden, maynor, collison, mohammed, cook
can’t see anyone else really seeing the floor.
compared to what?
i’d say their 9 man rotation is one of the top 3 in the west now. who do you think is better 1 to 9 other than LA and San Antonio?
Sac is deeper
They just need more starters, lol
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
you forgot dallas, they have a deep team.
so basically everyone in front of them has a way better and deeper bench.
#52
and actually
i think they got nate robinson also. they have a lot of guards, maybe he plays and maynor doesn’t.
Oklahomas bench is crap
bench: harden, maynor, collison, mohammed, cook
Harden is going to have to play more minutes now that Green is gone. Mohammed has more DNP than I can count, and cook has an atrocious FG%. Maynor is just ok and Collison slightly better than that.
I’ll take a Roy, Fernandez and Batum bench every single time. Its quite a bit better
how is batum on our bench?
our starting five right now is:
miller / matthews / batum / wallace / aldridge
camby will hopefully be back soon. also batum was really ineffective as a bench player when demoted.
this was a great trade for us but our team is amazingly thin right now, particularly down low.
Just a reminder, Nic was somewhat ineffective as a starter at the time
Roy was limping, and LMA had yet to break out. Our offense was in a complete funk. Nic actually did ok off the bench last spring, so good that he took Webster’s spot.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
yes we were all around bad but i still think batum works much better
with the starters than in a 2nd unit. this gets all the more complicated when roy start expecting to start.
that will be interesting.
It should be Batum off the bench
Camby should start at the 5, Wallace at the 3, LMA at the 4. That makes the most sense to me by a ways
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Matthews is pretty entrenched in the starting unit right now
He’d have to fall off a cliff AND we’d have to see Roy get back to at least 80% of his old self. I don’t see anyway you can go with NOT starting Wallace. Nic can start, but only till Camby gets back, then it’s back to the bench for Nico, no matter how much better HE is with the starters, the starting lineup is better with Wallace.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I don't mind Nico coming off the bench
He can save that defensive energy to cover spots in the game by reducing his time to the 25-30 minute range. He gives us both a long range threat (meh) and athletic stopper should some opponent get to hot.
AND he can come in for Wallace, LMA, or Camby
Versatility is a beautiful thing
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
This ^
AND he can come in for Wallace, LMA, or Camby
Versatility is a beautiful thing
Literally, our team is 8 players deep now, assuming Roy becomes servicable in less minutes. Let’s not forget how good Fernandez can be when he’s shooting well. I think we’re close to being right there, just need a bit more playoff experience and a bit better playing form Wes and Nic. We could use another big body I agree, but we’re almost there. Legit 8 man rotation is pretty strong
And with Wallace providing more of the offensive punch
Nic can revert back to being a spot up shooter, which is what he is best at (offensively) when he’s allowed to just focus on knocking down open jumpers and finding lanes to cut.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
i'm not sure that our best lineup
won’t be a small ball lineup. wallace is an excellent rebounder. the lineup we are forced to play right now might be better than camby playing with batum on the bench.
maybe not, we’ll see.
i am worried about the noise i expect roy to start making once he’s decided he’s healthy and wants his spot back.
Cho said Joel has to pass a physical.
I wonder what expectations Charlotte has on Joel’s physical condition? Perhaps they intend to buy him out and don’t care? But if they do care about his condition, I wonder what the “pass” criteria would be?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:35 PM PST reply actions
the physical will probably go like this:
Dr: Joel, are you breathing?
Joel: Yes.
Dr: You passed your physical
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Probably done over the phone from Minnesota too!
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
I still remember when Paxson was almost traded to Cleveland
and the forward that Portland thought they were gonna get (Keith Lee) failed the physical because he didn’t push it hard enough during the knee test
So Jim wasn’t traded until later (to Boston, for Jerry Sichting)
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Blazers overvalue their players!
LMA has turned into a legit monster. Bayless, Steve Blake, Outlaw, Dante, and half-Przybilla turned into Marcus Camby and Gerald Wallace.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
And don't forget RLEC --> Miller
Which reminds me, where’s the Blazer roster flowchart update?
My biggest concern going forward from here
is the minutes LA is playing. This trade helps that if we find a backup center, but makes it worse if we don’t.
With the return of Camby and Wallace in the lineups, minutes for Nic and LMA should go down a bit again
But yeah, another big man is needed
Camby says hi
with this move – Camby and LMA are the two biggest guys on the team and by default will play center.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 24, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Rufus on Fire don't think they're going to buy out Zilla.... :(
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
Cho just said Charlotte is looking to keep Joel
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:50 PM PST reply actions
which means he will need to pass the physical or the deal dies
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
@#$% @#%$ @$#% @#%^
ca…..llllmmm.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
looked good last night
capable at least
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
that would not be fun
I wonder how much the doctor will compensate for Joel’s knee during the physical?
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:/ that's not good.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
Yeah, I believe Charlotte is going to waive Dominic McGuire, Derrick Brown, Sherron Collins, Morris ...
Peterson, and Sean Marks. So, with all of that noted, Joel Przybilla and Dante Cunningham will probably be backing up Kwame Brown and Boris Diaw, respectively. It also looks like Gerald Henderson will get a shot to take Gerald Wallace’s now open spot in the starting lineup.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Hmm, I forgot that the Bobcats also got D.J. White in the Nazr Mohammed trade.
If I was Paul Silas, I’d rather give burn to White than Dante Cunningham at the backup 4 spot.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
If Oden can get on the floor
and Roy does ok with his new role, whatever it is…Next year will be radical.
D-League big man candidates via the one and only Scott Schroeder when I asked him for options
I would go with Sean Williams, Jermareo Davidson, Marcus Cousin or Courtney Sims. Trying to look into possibilities tonight.
Probably Cho will also look at bought out players and guys abroad. ShamSports suggests Eddy Curry ;-)
Jermareo Davidson is probably the most likely fit of those four, although I like Courtney Sims the best.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Sims and Cousin are the most efficient ones right now
Depends on what they are looking for really. All of those have not a lot of NBA experience if it’s that.
Cho says deal got done at 11:53 today
whew!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Correct me if I'm wrong
But do we have the cap space to keep Miller past June and trade him next deadline if the team is not going in the direction we want it to? We’re not forced to trade Miller because of money in June are we, unless something good comes up? If not, the PG situation is fine for potentially 2 playoff runs.
We wouldn't be forced to trade Camby either would we?
Again, it would be nice to know we could have 2 playoff runs with Camby
Camby has signed a normal 2-year extension. Miller is in a special situation in that his contract would be unguaranteed when waived by us or another team before June 30.
But yeah, if nothing comes up at the draft day we could keep them another year. In 2012 Miller would be an unrestricted free agent if that still exists.
Assuming there's no hard cap in the new CBA
But if that happened, Roy would be the first to go, sad as that would be
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Well that's good
I like the lineup thing as is. I think this puts us on the precipice of the WC elite, and if GO comes back healthy, the sky’s the limit. Maybe we can get another dirt cheap big man in June. Maybe we can even get a PG to replace Andre, but it would mean trading a core player. Maybe we can even get Nolan Smith in the draft or Kemba Walker
So Mr. Jordan, What do you think of the trade?
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I'm happy that this basically means Oden will return to Portland. I just hope it's a contract with 3 or more years
at a low cost. We can’t be giving huge deals with the payroll stacking up.
funny stuff but they knew what th
this is a win-win trade. POR and CHA are pursuing different goals on different time scales. Jordan has been guilty of chasing short term mediocrity over long term success, but has finally changed to a more patient, strategic plan. That means shedding salary and stockpiling picks, period. So they did what they wanted to.
Since Denver and Utah just stepped back to reload, POR is in a position to hang tough and be around the top of the Western Conference over the next few years. So they want talent now. Wallace fits perfectly with the McMillan style, will be a fan favorite, and makes us better in the short/medium term. The Blazers still have holes but have definitely improved.
Win-win. No one lost. But by all means enjoy yourselves talking smack about Jordan, why not? This is a fun day to be a Blazers fan.
the only reason
The only reason for anyone to not like this trade is if they feel Dante Cunningham will be a better player than Gerald Wallace a couple years from now.
I think you have to figure that will not be the case, but if someone believes that will be the case, it certainly is not out of the question and is in my view a legitimate argument against the deal.
I don’t see any other decent arguments against it. First round picks? So we lose out to Charlotte on a couple of future Luke Babbits! I can live with that.
after arguing in the top half of the thread
I would say that the most prevalent argument (aside from the draft picks, which I am not worried about at all) is that this may have detrimental long term financial implications. That somehow this deal will force us to lose Batum or something.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
“This trade helps that if we find a backup center, but makes it worse if we don’t.”
I read somewhere some team, I think it was the Celtics, picked up a 10 day on Chris Johnson.
I thought the guy looked good in those few minutes he got while at Blazers. But it appears he is now spoken for.
The success of this trade is NOT reduced because we don't have Chris freakin Johnson on the roster...
We just need a filler big for injuries and foul-outs…
Excellent job, Mr. Cho...
I’d say Cho has done OK… Turning a backup 1/2 in Bayless, a backup, injured, retiring 5 in Pryz, a young 3/4 hustler with a definite ceiling in Dante, useless Marks, and two late-teen, mid-20 picks into an All Star and top defender?
Excellent job at pulling off roster consolidation. No matter how you look at it, this team has more players in the top 100 now then yesterday (adding 1, losing 0). Solid A.
Starting lineup definitely improved, with Wallace at the 4 and LMA at the 5 instead of Joel at the 5 and LMA at the 4… Great playoff big man rotation with LMA, GW, and Camby! Those three should consume all minutes. (BTW, now that the trade deadline has passed, we should see Camby play soon, maybe even tomorrow night… I bet Nate makes a special plea, because GW probably won’t be able to play yet…)
“That somehow this deal will force us to lose Batum or something.”
Probably a valid concern. Under the existing CBA I believe you always get to re-sign your existing players to new contracts but if there is a hard cap under the new system maybe that will no longer be the case.
But one thing people are going to have to face, if there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA it appears to me that the Blazers will have absolutely no choice but to buy out Brandon Roy and get him off the roster.
one thing people are going to have to face, if there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA it appears to me that the Blazers will have absolutely no choice but to buy out Brandon Roy and get him off the roster.
I think that the willingness to take on another 2-3 year contract is a tip-off that the front office believes this will eventually be an option. Otherwise, Allen is going to start writing some large luxury tax checks
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last season against Charlotte
If I recall correctly, Blazers played Charlotte one time last season when Charlotte beat them based on superb defense. I remember watching that game and being really concerned that a team could stymie the Blazer offense so effectively. I wasn’t familiar with the individual players and if I noticed at the time who were the players on the Bobcats who were playing that great defense I have long forgotten.
But since Wallace has a rep as an excellent defender, I am now thinking he must have been one of the main contributors to the impressive defense in that game.
Wallace talked about Larry Brown's defense in the Rome interview
the link is somewhere up above^^^
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If the bobcats decide to keep Joel, when he returns on March 5, it's going to be crazy.
I gotta be there.
#52
It's going to be weird to see Joel get physical with his old teammates.
Of all the former Blazers to go recently (Trout, Blake, Webster, Bayless), I’ll miss Joel the most.
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