Blazers Trade Joel Przybilla, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks, 2 First Round Picks For Bobcats F Gerald Wallace
by Ben Golliver on Feb 24, 2011 12:19 PM PST
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According to multiple reports, and after days of rumors, the Portland Trail Blazers have traded center Joel Przybilla, forward Dante Cunningham and two first round picks to the Charlotte Bobcats for forward Gerald Wallace. The Blazers will hold a press conference at 4 PM PST this afternoon.
Update (2:00PM): Nicolas Batum tweets that reserve center and cult hero Sean Marks is also leaving. Ken Berger of CBSSports.com confirms that Marks was traded to the Bobcats.
I've posted some quick trade analysis over at CBSSports.com.
Wallace, a versatile and defensive-minded 28 year old that can play both the three and the four, is averaging 15.6 points, 8.2 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.2 steals and 1.0 blocks in 39 minutes per game. Wallace has been a member of the Bobcats since the 2004-2005 season. He attended the University of Alabama.
Wallace is on the books for $10.5 million for this year and for next year, and has a player option for the same amount in 2012-2013, according to StoryTellersContracts.com. The Blazers take on roughly $747,648 in this deal, going that much further into luxury tax territory.
Przybilla's contract expires this season and he has mentioned the possibility of a buyout and/or retirement. Cunningham is on the second and final year of his second round draft pick rookie deal. Both will be free agents this summer.
The three-for-one trade brings Portland's roster to 13 players, leaving two spots open. Earlier in the day, there was talk about signing point guard T. J. Ford if he is bought out by the Indiana Pacers.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Portland Trail Blazers have acquired Charlotte Bobcats forward Gerald Wallace.
Charlotte's Gerald Wallace has been traded to Portland, a league source tells Y!
Portland will send Joel Przybilla and a 2nd round draft pick to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace, source says.
Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reports...
It's Joel Przybilla and two first-round picks to Charlotte for Wallace, source says. Player is Cunningham to Bobcats.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports now reports...
Ken Berger has picks right going to Charlotte for Wallace. I can't read a text message: Two future first-rounders for Wallace.
Przybilla for Wallace straight up doesn't match salary-wise so there will need to be another player(s) involved.
David Aldridge of NBA.com notes this fact as well...
Bobcats will get another player in addition to Przybilla and picks for Wallace... Player is [Dante] Cunningham to Bobcats.
Ken Berger of CBSSports.com confirms this as the package...
Source confirms Bobcats also get Dante Cunningham in Wallace deal, plus Przybilla and two firsts.
Jason Quick of The Oregonian also reports...
The Trail Blazers have traded for Charlotte small forward Gerald Wallace, giving up center Joel Przybilla, forward Dante Cunnigham and two future first-round picks. The move, finalized right before Thursday’s noon deadline, was first reported by Yahoo! Sports and CBS Sports.
Dante Cunningham tweets...
PEACE PDX THANK U ALL!!!!!!
LaMarcus Aldridge tweets...
Lost some good teammates!
T. J. Ford tweets to Blazers center Marcus Camby...
glad u survived deadline. Lol u know I wouldn't mine being with my TX boyz... Lmao
Footnotes: Berger also reports that Blazers center Marcus Camby will stay in Portland and that a rumored deal sending Houston Rockets point guard Aaron Brooks to the Blazers is not true. Brooks has been traded to the Suns for Goran Dragic.
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If we sold out Greg Oden for this I'ma be soooooooo Mad.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
Why?
Oden is garbagio. Would have been an A if oden was involved.
by Blazetrailer on Feb 24, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Reminder
the only thing worse than Greg Oden continuing to rehab in Portland (or while on the Portland roster) is Greg Oden coming back and absolutely killing it for another team.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Omfgbbq!!z!!
OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Feb 24, 2011 12:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm do something bad in my pants!
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
Yup, me too
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
If this is true, sounds like a steal
Especially if Pryzz gets bought out and we get a chance at re-signing him.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely this is steal!
The Blazers win real good player without losing any of their key players!
Here
http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/40868895153721344
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Um old school
Rich-Slap!!!
THE 2010-11 PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS!!!
Starring:
Marcus Camby as The Human Trebuchet
by SpyderRyder on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Im old school
Rich-Slap!!!
THE 2010-11 PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS!!!
Starring:
Marcus Camby as The Human Trebuchet
by SpyderRyder on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we had to throw in Dwight Jaynes.... but it's worth it.
by hoodieNation on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 PM PST reply actions 11 recs
RIP, Godfather
=)
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
the egg gets wiped off of Jayne's face at the last milli-second
Hollywood writers can’t make up a script like this
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Yes, they can.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
we should have added
Jason Quick while we had the chance
Please send us Chris Paul's knees
Between him and Oden and Roy, maybe we can assemble a ballplayer. :)
- EngineerScotty
by My_Name_A_Rudy on Feb 24, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
If we had included Quick
They would have definitely insisted on Batum.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
Think it was more we forced Jaynes on them. Like someone who is a headcase or has a bloated contract is forced upon teams in trades from time to time
Aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, caedi
by Occam's Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
A-Woj:
Portland will send Joel Przybilla and a 2nd round draft pick to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace, source says.
Glad Pryz gave us a great effort last night
Good memory of him to go out on. I’ll miss his blue-collar attitude and grit.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
by DC Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but Przy can always come back later...maybe even a month from now if he's bought out
this is Pau/Kwame territory, Cho hits the ball over the fence
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That's a very good point about Przybilla
Frankly, I think he is going to retire after this season, but imagine if PDX figured out a way to bring him back as a free agent….
sounds like
quick thinks he will just retire.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I can see Pryz being pissed, but in 30 days rethinking it and deciding to come back
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
nope
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I hope so larue,
if not i am not liking trading all the backup centers ( except Marks ) one bit.
We’ll see what Cho says at 4. if he is bringing in another center, ok. I <3 Dante and will miss him :(
"We've got to get stops ! " ...... Nate McMillan
i've never been so happy to be wrong
i simply can’t believe we got wallace for an ec and picks, incredible.
I forgive you colinmarsh
it’s pretty unbelievable. IT’S A GREAT DAY TO BE A BLAZER!!!! Too bad Nic didn’t hit one of those wide open 4th qtr threes last night or we’d have beaten the Lakers too.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Charlotte was robbbbbbbbbbed
and this is from a bulls fan
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 PM PST reply actions
this trade was so slow it felt like Cho-Motion!
by Paul Chen on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Rec for Cho-Motion!
"Unless commitment is made, there are only promises and hopes, but no plans."
Wow
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I thought that didn't work for salaries and what not?
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
everything I read said that wouldn 't work.... we have to be including something else right?
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
I'm scared we threw in greg becuase he's the only one I can see (I'm blind) that will make it work ... w/ just joel... but i'm dumb too.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
No way we give them
Greg, Joel and two first rounders. Deal would have been different. I’m wondering who else we lost though…hopefully not Dante or something
Sadly, you were right
It was Dante. This makes it less of a steal, but still a good deal overall.
Faith applied reasonably is practical magic.
by Matthews vs Roy... Fight! on Feb 24, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah agreed
Going to miss that guy. I’m betting he really breaks out at some point.
He'll be in a good situation
Diaw and S-Jax will be good influences on Dante’s game (hopefully the Cap’n won’t be a character influence), and Silas is going to start focusing on giving the youngsters like Dante, DJ, and TT lot’s of burn and freedom.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Nice.
Now if Joel gets his buyout we can resign him.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Yea, but we'd have to cut Marks
Do it!
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Please !
Or someone. I <3 Dante , but he not a back up center for a contender. Is there more we have not heard ? :(
"We've got to get stops ! " ...... Nate McMillan
by FrenchieFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
rec. this is so much better than “slapped”
by Kage on Feb 24, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of looks like Jackie Chan with that hair and the trench
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
lol
"Im ready for a fight..." -Joel Przybilla
by KillaPrzydollaBILLA on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
raugh out roud!
"Im ready for a fight..." -Joel Przybilla
by KillaPrzydollaBILLA on Feb 24, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Best shop
Ive seen in weeks!
Please send us Chris Paul's knees
Between him and Oden and Roy, maybe we can assemble a ballplayer. :)
- EngineerScotty
Batum tweets that reserve center and cult hero Sean Marks is also leaving.
by My_Name_A_Rudy on Feb 24, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
nightmare
i’m going to see this stuff in my dreams for weeks, now, thanks.
Not obsessed with a championship. Just love watching basketball.
by ericbenjamin on Feb 24, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Cho didn't do something silly (give up too much)
Because he felt pressure to do something.
Who's Cho daddy, Mike?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 12:24 PM PST reply actions
nah
mutually beneficial. Charlotte can shed salary to rebuild, they were going nowhere with or without wallace. Prz will retire and/or be bought out and could even possibly return to PDX or elsewhere. Great move for Cho, decent move for MJ
\\oo///
That worked in trademachine yesterday
;-D
LaMarcus Aldridge's "All-Star Snub Tour" comming to a city near you.
Paul can add cash
the trade machine can’t
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Ok I need to know who we traded............
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
MJ must've played hardball to get that second one
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4hhmeqw
That trade would have been PERFECT. but if we get Crash im happy either way!
Ken Berger has Prydz plus two first round picks.
That’s much more reasonable terms for Charlotte.
I heard now just a 2nd round pick.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
@KBerg_CBS: It’s Joel Przybilla and two first-round picks to Charlotte for Wallace, source says.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Adrian Wojnarowsk tweeted
That it’s Pryzbilla, and a second round pick for Crash. Nothing more. Sounds like one helluva deal for the blazers.
@davisjrich
As long as they're our 2011 crappy picks I'm ok with it.
Just don’t give up on 2012, that class is gonna be deep.
Yeah, or just Wes
But it’s probably some combo of Batum, Rudy, and Babbit, maybe Cunninghame thrown in.
@KBerg_CBS: Source says Brooks originally was going to Portland for a first-round pick. He either got re-routed to Phoenix or Portland deal fell through
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
PHX got robbed in that trade
Gave up a pretty decent PG plus a 1st for a little guy that depends on his speed.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah Houston made out like a bandit IMO
Dragic AND a pick?
Wallace deal is WAYYYYYYYYY better
Addresses our needs yeah!
Both would have been sweet
Brooks would be a really nice backup PG and give us serious depth there going into the playoffs
Gosh darn it who else are we losing in this......
I DEMAND ANSWERS!
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
WOW! Holy crap. What a STEAL! Well done Mr. Cho. Well done sir. CRAZY!
(Provided Batum isn’t involved. Don’t care as much if it’s Rudy, Babbit, etc.)
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
We've become contenders
yes, you heard me right!
HOT DIGITY!!!!
"Jumper-free throw-free throw-alley oop-jumper-post move-oh please stop hurting us LaMarcus!" -Dave 2/14/11
apologies due to Dwight Jaynes?
after all the harsh things that have been said about him in these parts
just saying . . .
Win the day!
Next time, Jaynes better work on that
FAT FINGER
I'm not apologizing to him, it was still premature and irresponsible
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
so it goes
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
at noon today Dwight tweeted "Blazers got left out of the party"
so Jaynes was wrong..twice
priceless
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about the same trade.
the exact. same. trade.
amusing
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
Who was better at time of arrival?
Shareef Abdur-Rahim or Gerald Wallace?
Shareef was pretty good.
Wallace will be something else though.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
*when he's not hurt
sorry, it has to be said. So far through his myriad injuries, no knee issues that I’m aware of though
\oo///
CHO AMAZING!!!
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 24, 2011 12:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wow heard the deal was dead, this is great news!
Did the Bobcats just get Cho’d?
Dwight Jaynes: There is also a rumor that Aaron Brooks is headed this way for a first-round pick…. but reports vary about this one. now
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz1EuVBB7Ok
the Hornets didn't want 'Dre
at least not since Larry Brown left
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Same thing, really.
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I'll never get them straight
Hornets were in Charlotte, first
NOLA should be the Jazz
Utah should be the Hornets (beehive state)
then all will be right with the NBA…except for Stern and his L*A-loving refs, of course
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NNNONOONOOOOO
it cant be 2 first rounders!!!!!!!!!!!i hope not, one is ok though
by Sporting_Lisbon on Feb 24, 2011 12:30 PM PST reply actions
I'd love to have Jerryd back, but
If the Bayless deal helped make this GW trade happen then, good on ya, Cho
Wallace is explosive like Kersey and Billy Ray, and I’ve got tickets for Sunday against ATL
can’t wait
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Crash has been far below allstar level this year. Still a solid deal, but he’s not been the player he was the last couple years.
long live the jd.
how much
of that has been Charlotte and how much has been him?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Crash is definitely someone who will benefit from the Andre Miller effect
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I don’t understand the question. Its possible to play poorly on a good team and well on a bad team. Crash is still a good player, but its been a while since he’s played like an allstar.
long live the jd.
Look at his splits, JK.
The entire bobcats team was doing the usual year-3-of-larry-brown, tune out coach and start playing crappy thing. He’s been a lot better after Silas took over.
by howlingfantods on Feb 24, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
good players will hold out in college
because of lockout scare
The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!
I'm sure Rich didn't want to part with the picks, either
but Allen calls the shots and he’s ready to win a playoff series (or two) this year
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Everyone should stop freaking out
there is more to this. It doesn’t work financially as advertised. Something else is going on.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
Rudy going to Charlotte?
make Andy Miller’s day
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Guess MJ didn't read sammymohawk's fanpost
WHEW
I
by joelor on Feb 24, 2011 12:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I almost blew it by getting on Jaynes for blowing it
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
two negatives make a positive
it’s all good
cancel the torches and pitchfork brigade to sink Dwight’s house boat, it’s too cold out there anyway
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But two rights
make a 180.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Two negatives don't always make a positive.
But I have heard it said that two positives can never make a negative. To which I say: “Yeah, right!”
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they can if you subtract them
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Portland's defense just got a whole lot better.
Batum and Wallace are gonna be nasty on the perimeter.
@davisjrich
don't forget Matthews
and remember what Bayno said about adding more tough-nosed players like Wesley, last week?
Mission accomplished
wondering, did Joel’s improved play last night make any difference re: changing Charlotte’s mind?
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Joel could be bought out, and return in 30 days
crosses fingers
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by two4larue on Feb 24, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If it includes Batum, I'm not that happy...
But if it’s Rudy or Babbit, I’m very very happy with it. But it’s gotta be at least one of them.
neither.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Allen can add cash considerations
but I wouldn’t mind it if Patty went east, too
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i wonder who the other player is..
.i hope it’s not batum or rudy
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
I'm wondering who my head off
"Don’t listen to your critics. Listen to your fans."
— Michael Scott, The Office
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Adrian Wojnarowski: Ken Berger has picks right going to Charlotte for Wallace. I can’t read a text message: Two future first-rounders for Wallace.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz1EuVaDK5W
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Could mean that we give them one 2011 and 2012.
Which means we retain one of our 2011 picks.
Brooks deal could be true then if PHO decides to flip him.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
I'd rather keep 2012
and let Paul buy another one next June
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Could also be protected picks
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
YEAH THEY'RE PROTECTED BOTTOM 2 BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO THE FINALS NOW
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
please not Dante
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because I like Ferno
but it makes sense that he had to go, at least he got to start and play a lot this year, and he’ll do well down there in Carolina—maybe Nate will be Dante’s coach again, next year?
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If the salaries don't match...
..then the deal as reported thus far is not complete. Sounds like a steal, but I want the complete picture before I celebrate….Prz…2nd rounder AND….????
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
:(
thats sad.
"Don’t listen to your critics. Listen to your fans."
— Michael Scott, The Office
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
yep, dante, przy, and 2 first rounders
Damn, I like dante. His energy is great and he can play the 3, 4, or 5. Still, wallace will definately help
LET'S PLAY SOME DAMN DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!
by Batum Shakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 12:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
figures
oh well, love this kid..but with Wallace coming there was no place for Cunningham
Camby had better get his backside back out there, I do not want to see more Marks
or maybe they’ll dip into the D-league and sign Jeff Adrien to a 10-day?
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David Aldridge: Player is Cunningham to Bobcats. 1 minute ago
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POR sold high on Dante and now freed up minutes to give to Wallace.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
yep. dante is a nice hustle player with a nice jumpshot..
but wallace is better
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Let's face it, Cunningham is filler
I appreciate his work ethic, but he’s completely 100% replaceable as a player. Wallace makes him redundant anyway, and we keep every single part of our core. Shedding Pryz muight actually help our defense too, but Camby has to come back healthy
If Pryz gets bought our
I’d resign him for the playoff stretch cause we’re thin at C. But Pryz might be better off getting more rest fro the knee anyway
pretty sure there's a rule preventing us from picking him up that soon... after the season yes, during i think is a no no... but I don't really know know, just remember reading something like that.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
During can be done -- see e.g., CLE last year
I think there’s like a 30-day waiting period.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
ahhh sounds good :D
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
ahhh sounds good :D
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
yep, cle did it with big Z last year pretty quickly
LET'S PLAY SOME DAMN DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!
by Batum Shakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
30 day delay
the Cavs did this with Ilgauskas last March
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I think a late pick
With Faried would do nicely to replace him. That is if it’s one 2011 and one 2012.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I sooooo want Faried
But now that we have Crash, I see us targeting Nolan Smith, Kemba Walker, or Jimmer
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I can deal with that!
Pryz+2 first rounders+ Cunningham = Hell ya! To propel us into contender status
Cho, you sly dog you
yeah but
Przy and Dante out, Wallace in, the frontcourt depth is now thin and shorter without Camby…
Sean Marks is now more valuable than ever…which is not reassuring
or Nate could just start LMA at center, and still call him a PF to keep him curse-free
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Adrien time?
Przy back in 30?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
DAMN IT
oh well he’s gerald wallace v0.5
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:33 PM PST reply actions
what
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by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I can easily live with that...Geralds stats by tmeselves are those two players combined.
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by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
DANTE APPRECIATION THREAD NOW
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:34 PM PST reply actions
what about Joel, eh?
hopefully he’ll boomerang back home
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GUYS 2 FIRST ROUNDERS IS GARBAGE
ONE SHOULD DO IT
by Sporting_Lisbon on Feb 24, 2011 12:34 PM PST reply actions
I really likedDante probably 2nd highest BBIQ besides Andre
but for Gerald Wallace sorry Dante but Welcome Crash!
2 firsts, Prz, and Dante
did Portland get robbed?
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 24, 2011 12:34 PM PST reply actions
Not when we can have Paul Allen buy replacement 1st round picks
by tweener on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for love of PA
He does what he can to help this team win.
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He was a bad ass too.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I think he meant bad donkey
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
He did seem pretty stubborn
You know, playing with a broken face and all that.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Spank that donkey
on the way out the door.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
I just prefer that if people are going to use borderline words that they spell them out.
We’ve got live people checking these things, not modbots.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking Dante would make the most sense
Sad to see him leave, but GWallace is worth it.
I apologize Rich Cho
If this is true then Cho is a genius. He makes the team better now, and the future for essentially an expiring contract.
We played soft vs Lakers. One guy in the paint most the end of the game
i promise wallace wont be waiting to shoot a 3
Plus this gives us flexabilaty. Now we could concievable trade oden, miller, batum/wallace for a guy like chris paul.
yes to the toughness
no to the CP3 idea, he can’t sign an extension to remain with Portland until July 2012
add that to his knee and the risk isn’t worth it
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Source says Brooks originally was going to Portland for a first-round pick. He either got re-routed to Phoenix or Portland deal fell through
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by bustabucket on Feb 24, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
O.J. Mayo to Pacers for McRoberts and a first.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz1EuWYRHIv
thats our McBob!
to say the least
that’s highway robbery. mayo has his warts, but they’re giving up nothing for a young guy with a lot of talent
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WOW for Indy
the Griz really wanted to squeeze OJ outta there
(see what I did there?)
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by two4larue on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
One more player is still needed
because just Cunningham still doesn’t work
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
hopefully not Armon
i like his size and D
by billyrybates on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
yeah bayless's
LET'S PLAY SOME DAMN DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!
by Batum Shakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 12:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
can't be combined
can be used on draft day, if Cho wants to
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WE GOT KINDA ROBBED
FIRST GOOD DEAL MJ DID, 2 FIRSTS"!!"?!?!"!!?!!"
by Sporting_Lisbon on Feb 24, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions
it's a bad draft and both our picks are in the 20s
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Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
2 non-lottery first rounders
in a weak draft. Relax.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
1 of those picks is the NO pick anyway
Part of Bayless turned into Wallace
yeah, like giving up Babbitt and Elliot Williams.
those firsts weren’t goign to play anyway
by billyrybates on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
thats what I heard as well.
Why do you all think it’s first rounders?
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by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
KBerg_CBS
It’s Joel Przybilla and two first-round picks to Charlotte for Wallace, source says.
#52
by bustabucket on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
feels like Dante and two first-rounders is a pretty heavy price.
by botanyjames on Feb 24, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
not even close
Trading a borderline rotation guy with little upside and two non-lottery picks in a weak draft for a borderline all-star level talent in his prime is a great deal.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
but I'm glad MJ must have agreed with you
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
not familiar with Gerald Wallace, eh?
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
we gnna end the season in a dead sprint
#20
#52
by broden on Feb 24, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This hurts
and Pryz looked to be improving too
Not bad:
1. Miller/Patty/Armon
2. Mathews/Roy/Rudy
3. Wallace/Battum
4. Aldridge/Wallace/Batum
5. Camby/Aldridge
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+1
hopefully. next season.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
I like Batum as the first guy off the bench
He can come in for Wallace or LA. And then Brandon can come in for Matthews or Andre. We have a lot of flexability.
Nic and Wallace could start at the 3-4 (or 4-3) with LMA at the de facto 5
depending on the matchup, and Camby’s status
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yeah, I was thinking
Miller/Mills
Matthews/Roy
Batum/Rudy
Wallace/Camby
Aldridge/Camby
one of those things is not like the others
take Patty out of there, either TJ Ford will backup Andre, or Nate will rotate Roy-Rudy-Wesley
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I only heard of Wallace when he came up in trade talks here.
Dante has been my guy since we drafted him. Wallace better be freaking awesome.
Stealth > Wealth
he is, don't worry
I love inferno too
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace is Kersey and BR Bates
Tazmanian devil, bundle of energy, one man FB, bull in a china shop
insert additional cliches here, or go watch the youtube videos
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this^
I hope you bust your source’s chops re: Andre leaving, BTW
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It got discussed, of course only in deals that would have landed us a PG
Btw BRP had the news that the Wallace deal was through early-on. While Jaynes was wavering on his sources wondering if we were out of the party, lol.
Dre is going to have to choose his flying targets
eL-Ay oop to Aldridge, or lob it to Crash? (and Nic will sneak in a few Batumshakalakas as well)
Sigh—so many finishers, so few possessions to posterize the opponents!
I’m glad to see Miller will remain in a Portland uniform, now let’s win a ________ playoff series and get that monkey off his back!
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Wesley doesn't oop that much
but he does score on drives and breakaways, like Wallace
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Dante?
Makes sense. Trades can’t be too lopsided. Thank you MJ.
by Stryder9 on Feb 24, 2011 12:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
We Are Fine
we have two first rounders this year and we probably gave up our 2013 pick as well, which if all goes to plan will be the last pick of the first round!
Great day to be a fan. Looking forward to our rematch with OKC and the Lake Show, we really had them last night.
Traded offense for defense
Would be interesting to see how this works out.
Not much of a Wallace fan myself
I had to put it out there. He will add a lot, but maybe I just haven’t watched him enough. Not sure how I feel about this.
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Feel better cause he's a stud.
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by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
So does this mean Batum could be on the block in the summer?
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by llamaiguana on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
don't think so
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
not just no
H.E. double-hockey-sticks NO!
Nic is a keeper, Batum, Wallace and Matthews will be an awesome core with LMA and Greg
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wow what a core that is
I’m tickled…contributions from Roy maybe too…we are back on the rise people!
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Depends on what we could get for him. If a potential PGOTF was available, you bet.
long live the jd.
Yup
Assuming everyone stays healthy, there is a bit of a logjam at the 3 now…. if you consider Nic a starter.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Tee hee.
your humor is humorous. Wallace will start at the three.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Batum should come off the bench
Wallace should start at the 3 with Camby and LMA at the big forward spots (no longer using the C word)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
it would make the most sense for Batum to start at the 3, Wallace at the 4 and LA at the 5.
long live the jd.
You want to push LMA out of his natural position?
I don’t know if that’s the best move here.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
LMA has been very effective at the 5 this season, and the Blazers have thrived with him at that spot.
long live the jd.
It's superstition
We’ll still call him a PF, to satisfy his idiosyncrasies. Duncan, who has a very similar game, has had the same issue. Pops just plays him at the 5 next to a banger 4 or another long stretch 4 and calls that guy a center. We have basically been using Camby in that role.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Andre will say he's the 5
Miller is a team-first guy, and he’s indestructable
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he still plays 4, just does it alongside smallball.
He’s not a center stylistiically and doesn’t alter his game as such.
50/50
there aren’t a lot of centers to go around
LMA isn’t a defensive center, but Wallace and Batum can help make up for that
LMA is an offensive center, at least since December
Camby will probably start once he’s healthy, and Nic will come off the bench. Batum-Roy-Rudy are 3 guys who could be starters and they play well together—nice problem to have
the real sticking point is what happens if Brandon thinks he should be starting? But I’m not going too far down that road today…let’s see how Wallace fits in, first
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yeah, this. No matter where they actually play or who they match up with
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by Occam's Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
That's not constructive
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
small lineups, uptempo
more toughness, just hope GW doesn’t hit his head hard on the floor in the next 4 years
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Via Ken Berger
Portland had nothing to do with Brooks trade. He goes straight to Phoenix for a first, source says
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
and Allen can add cash
to make the dollars work out
Relax, Cho knows how to put these multi-team deals together
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No, it can't. MLE has nothing to do with trades at all.
And our trade exception could only be used for one player coming in, and none going out, so the trade exception cannot be used here either.
I believe it does work
because Joel has a trade kicker in his contract. The teams have to be within 125% of each other, without the trade kicker, they are only a few hundred thousand apart from it working, with the kicker it works. I have not confirmed this, but I believe this to be so.
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by usmcr3049 on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nice catch
rec
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so far I have not seen it reported
what 1st rounders we gave up. Portland has 2 this year, but it could also give future year picks away.
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I have heard two things....
A second rounder or two future first round picks.
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by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Kerry Edgers just reported
the Blazers sent the Hornets 1st this year, and their 1st in 2013.
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I can live with that
one this year, one next, and worry about 2013 later…there’s lots of time to reacquire a 1st rounder before June ’13
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it will be coming off soon enough
Dante was a good kid, but Cho just turned the 2009 and 2011 drafts into a positive
and Paul Allen is now paying beau coup luxury tax dollars…depending on Camby and Roy’s future contract status
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Too bad if it's przy and Dante, I love Dante, but the deal is still a no brainer.
But WHO ELSE? Babbit? Marks? Williams?
Wallace is not much smaller than Dante
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
he means minus joel
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
oh, duh
my bad…joel looked good last night too…we’ll probably bring up a D-Leaguer.
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Joel will be bought out and return
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
that would be incredible
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Actually Wallace is same height but heavier
Both are 6’8"
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Joel...can he come back here if bought out? Only if bought out?
He’s better than Marks..would probably take a cut in pay right?
bought out means
he’ll get his 7 mil, then be resigned in a month to play for the vet minimum
crosses fingers and toes
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He also gets Much more rebounds and blocks
I’ll take actual stats over height.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
but Joel did grab some boards last night though…
Man, I hate the l*kers.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Wallace plays above the rim at both ends
as long as he has his hops, Gerald’s a force in the paint
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A lot of naysaying over the last few days.
You’d have to be the guy writing the lux tax check to not like this move IMO. While this move doesn’t address our biggest needs, it certainly improves the talent level.
by 52therim on Feb 24, 2011 2:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ah poo
Will miss Dante and Joel but excited for a new player!
by ilovebatum on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
G-Spot
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
If Gerald has any sense of decency whatsoever, he will choose #30 for his jersey.
Think of how many people in this town can recycle some old clothes that way?
heck, there’s probably a couple boxes of Wallace 30s still sitting in storage at the RG
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Us and Detroit right
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
stupid porter.
I’m still going to the goodwill right now to try and find an old Sheed jersey. I can take off the 30 with a razor blade and just have the name.
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by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Bobby Gross?
both men are deserving of the number retirement, IMO
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I thought the deadline was noon...
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by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM PST reply actions
I LOVE CRASH
but 2 first is A LOT, UNLESS ITS future ones
by Sporting_Lisbon on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM PST reply actions
Current firsts would be better.
This draft is going to be bad.
Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
Yup - this is the year to give up picks
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Really..Look at the Blazers last 2 first Rounders...Babbit and Claver. Gladly trade them for Crash.
Besides they aren’t winning the title this year anyway so by default they avoid the only other definition of "waste" that matters.
—Dave
by TheOdenator52 on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I would of loved to get Kwame Brown though too.
by Droid- on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
we got Pau
much better
Camby last February, and Wallace at mid-season this year?
I can’t stand the build-up for next year’s trading deadline, I’ve got goosebumps already!
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A little bittersweet with Thunder making improvements, too
But I’ll take it!
I don't think they improved.
The word is that the trade had more to do with money. Perkins isn’t that much better than Krstic, and Nate Robinson isn’t nearly enough to make up for the loss of Jeff Green. The Celtics were the clear winners in this trade.
I call it pretty even
Celts needed a backup offensive 3 with Marquis now maybe done for the year, and evidently were willing to bet on Perk’s knee injuries to do it. Thunder needed a defensive 5 to protect the paint.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
seems like a solid trade for both teams to me
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It had to partly be due to Green's extension demands.
OKC wasn’t gonna pay what he wanted.
by 52therim on Feb 24, 2011 2:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm still very happy...
Dante is a good young role player, but Wallace is much better. I’ll still wait until the dust settles but on the surface this seems like a great pick-up for The Blazers.
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by thankyouforblaze on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 PM PST reply actions
Very happy!
I’ve been coveting Wallace in a Blazer jersey for a while!!
Going to miss Dante’s hustle, work ethic, and team play though.
Not to mention everything Joel has given this organization.
Campaign to remove "Free-throw Guy" from the Rose Garden.
brooks is just an improved patty mills
please, no
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Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Ya right, Brooks is far better then Patty......Like way better.
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by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
yes
but he plays the same style….no defense, not really a pass-first point
not what we need with all our other weapons
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Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
12:36 via Ken Berger, CBSSports.com
Source confirms Bobcats also get Dante Cunningham in Wallace deal, plus Przybilla and two firsts.
If that's the deal, that does sound like a lot to lose.
by Stryder9 on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's not at all.
Joel is on his last leg as a player, Wallace is pretty much Dante’s absolute ceiling and Blazers are known to purchase picks like they’re quarter machine toys.
Maybe its a 4-way with...
like this with Houstons 1st pick going to Phoenix and a Portland 1st pick to Phoenix also if the Brooks rumors have any legs
berger
Portland had nothing to do with Brooks trade. He goes straight to Phoenix for a first, source says
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
It would be a dream come true.... someones saying the pheonix houston deal was a solo deal though
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
2 first rounders could be consecutive years or later.
Not just 2011.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
2011 is the year to dump draft picks
Weak draft, and we know they’re unlikely to be lottery picks. Future picks could be much better.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Can be only Cunnigham.
Try NBA trade machine Cunningham and Pryz for Wallce does not work.
throw in Patty
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Yeah, Crash will be great
Very sad to see Dante and Joel go but I hope Dante thrives in Charlotte and Joel signs back with us :P
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM PST reply actions
I cannot say enough about how HUGE of a steal this is. HUGE HUGE. I will miss Dante. He’s been steadily improving, but we basically gave up NOTHING to get a near All-Star caliber starting SF. Wow. I am stunned that MJ did this w/o Portland including Batum.
Ready? Imagine this fast break starting lineup NOW: Miller, Matthews, Wallace, Aldridge, Camby. LOL! Hell. Yes.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
Wallace was an allstar right?
if I recall, he was in the hunt for DPOY one or two years
Starting lineup is almost the best in the WC
It’s 4 deep and maybe 5 with Camby. Wallace rebounds like a 4, and is athletic and strong defensively. No core given up. Great pickup I beleive it puts us in contention in the Western Conference assuming Camby is healthy and Roy is a good sixth man
Yeah I think so we still have 15 guys or so because of this
So Marks will still back up Camby
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
The beautiful thing about Wallace is he can be great next to a "just a big body" player like Marks.
His rebounding is great.
This is a wonderful trade if we have a healthy center remaining.
How is Wallace as a rebounder?
about the best around at the sf
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
#1 Total Rebounds among SF earning 30+ minutes.
Also #1 in Defensive Rebounds.
(Nic Batum is tied for #1 in Offensive Rebounds.)
Stealth > Wealth
he averages 8+, hes a great rebounder.
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-- Scottie Pippen
by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
And a above average defender.
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by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
hes wayyyyy above average defender
DPOY candidate a couple times
I knew about his defense and open court offense.
I didn’t realize he’s such a good rebounder.
I’m even more excited now!
Ironically Enough...
After everything that has happened over the last few years, and last few minutes, I still give THIS team a better shot to advance in the playoffs. Maybe even deep. No team in the west is as scary as it used to be, and we just got better. yaya
Dear Jeebus,
ODEN ODEN ODEN ODEN ODEN ODEN!
(next year, obviously)
Crash, LMA and Camby could probably
more than hold their own against any front court in the league. We do have depth issues to address though
Camby and LMA 6'11 each
Wallace plays bigger than 6’8.
Yep
and LMA has been dominating the best front courts all by himself. He’s had issues with maybe 3 but Crash, LMA and Camby could probably do some serious damage.
They all run, hustle and rebound + both Crash and LMA with score and dunk at will if we still have Dre.
Agreed
Wallace is a great fit. Just pray Camby comes back healthy because he’s integral to us being in contention. And I abosolutely believe we’re right there in the Top 3 or 4 in the WC with Camby and Roy healthy
Camby will be healthy. He will make sure of it.
I know people are anxious for his return and some are calling him out for not playing yet….but the guy is smart and knows better than to come back before FULLY HEALED.
Very true
Can’t call out Camby. He’s too classy
by JeffePortland on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Funny enough
Aldridge has always had more trouble with the small pesky guys than the big strong tough guys.
I have always said this, height is one of the most overrated factors for a ball player.
How many times do we have to hear “great for his size” before people realize a couple inches doesn’t make or break a guy playing a position in the front court.
Lower body strength, instinct and good hands are much more important.
It makes a big difference once the games really matter.
But I’m just going by who wins championships is all. Winners never trot out 6’7 banger 4s when it counts.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I'm not saying it doesn't matter, it certainly does.
It’s when you find a combination of that big size plus the things I listed that you end up winning a championship.
But any way you look at it, Gerald Wallace is better than Dante and Joel combined in pretty much any category, despite being shorter.
You make a good point...
The only exception that comes to mind is Ben Wallace in 2004 (he, of course, though, had Rasheed to help him out).
by The Graduate on Feb 24, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
but they do trot out 6'7 banger 3s
just having a banger anything is a huge improvement over yesterday’s Blazer roster
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All 3 of those guys
Are LONG as well.
Throw in Batum, and we are plenty tall enough.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
if this goes through
I might finally get League Pass for the rest of the season.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
that would be a brand new injury for us
finally after all the knee knee knee
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 24, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
This sounds real good, thanks for quick post Ben
Wallace sounds like the help for LMA we have been needing.
Great point
Would mean we get to keep Marks!!!!!
yes
but I’d still like another roster spot to add a big man from the D-league, like Jeff Adrien
if Ford comes, the team has 4 PGs…that is silly
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So hows this gonna work in the rotation?
he gonna come off the bench? is he a 3 or 4?
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by KillaPrzydollaBILLA on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM PST reply actions
its gonna be
1)miller
2)Wes
3)Crash
4)LMA
5)Camby
bench: Roy, batum, rudy, marks
IMO Marks not in rotation
Aldridge will slide to 5 and Batum/Wallace will play PF.
by SerenityNow! on Feb 24, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Batum will play some stretch 4 against smaller 4’s. Rudy gets some time at backup PG if last night was any indication.
by 52therim on Feb 24, 2011 2:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rudy-Roy-Batum have always played well, together
and the Miller-Matthews-Batum-Wallace-LMA lineup will be awesome, as well
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We are now the deepest "voice" team in the league.
Have you ever heard him talk? Crazy deep
You mean Roy and his squeak box?
Besides they aren’t winning the title this year anyway so by default they avoid the only other definition of "waste" that matters.
—Dave
by TheOdenator52 on Feb 24, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Terrell Brandon
little guy, basso profundo
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Batum has quite the voice too, always surprises me
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no excuses Nate
bring it home, Andre needs to know what round 2 is all about
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this
no excuses for not getting out of the first round this year
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
So......
How does this get us Martel back?
The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!
by tylercomp on Feb 24, 2011 12:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
???????WHAT???????
Off topic.
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by BlazerRoddy on Feb 24, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
just a dream
…. I guess it was all just a dream
The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!
Awesome.
I like the way you think.
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Thank you Jerryd
Yes, we may have overpaid with 2 first rounders, but this is why we got an extra first round pick for Bayless from NO. So we will be only down net 1 First round pick. DC woud get no PT with wallace here, so if thats true, great.
Cho could have made this deal without flipping Bayless last October
but I smell what you’re cooking
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Trade does not work
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine see trade machine. It may be Babbit however.
by BlazersRuel on Feb 24, 2011 12:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
don't say that about tyson chandler
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Particularly when Denver's in town
Sorry, but LOL.
lol lol lol
LET'S PLAY SOME DAMN DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!
by Batum Shakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm willing to throw Patty in
who’s with me? Ford will replace Mills, anyway
(Paul Allen just texted “NO MILLS —PA”)
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This seems like a fair trade, considering Charlotte is in salary-cutting mode
I hate to see Cunningham go, but Wallace is an impact player — a better # 2 option on offense than Matthews, and a first-tier defender. Great rebounder for his size.
Maybe Joel can be bought out and re-signed? Otherwise, we are way too thin on the front line, particularly with Camby out.
press conference at 4pm btw...
so we’ll see.
Is that on tv, or radio by any chance?
Greg Oden ate my baby. Need money for body-building training so that I may take my revenge.
by JJWeatherman on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Salaries don’t match…
G.Wallace 10.5
J.Pryzbilla 7.4
D.Cunningham .7
We need an extra 300k in salary for it to be within 125% plus 100k… Does the Bayless TE come into play?
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Feb 24, 2011 12:49 PM PST reply actions
knock it off already
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
throw in marks and it works
throw in cash and charlotte doesn’t actually have to pay them.
that’s my bet.
Mills
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gotta reach down into the D-league then
or sign a veteran big man who has been bought out
man the Blazer’s roster just got short all of a sudden
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nate's thoughts on the headband?
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:49 PM PST reply actions
that was because of an injury though
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
orly
didn’t know that. Did he have the same thing Lebron has? Receding hairlinitis?
Trade John Canzano
popped ear drum
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
didn't the whole team wear em for a practice?
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
I hate that rule,
symptomatic of wound way too tight. Not the place to “draw the line”
Control freak for the loss. Let ’em play, please.
Lol my thoughts exactly. It will he weird seeing Wallace with the headband
by ASco05 on Feb 24, 2011 1:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dante wore one last night
under his mask
Gerald Wallace brings back the Uncle Cliffy
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Andre, warm up your lob passes for Friday!
You have another nice target!
Campaign to remove "Free-throw Guy" from the Rose Garden.
Air Raid anybody??
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 PM PST reply actions
Hmm...
two first rounders slightly dampens my enthusiasm…but still a great trade. I’m assuming 1 of the 2 would be the NO pick…
I had to think as 1st reported it just sounded too good to be true. I’m still positive about this move…more equitable for both teams..but still a Blazer Win IMO….
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
We are good enough to really benefit from this help now,
and it sounds just the kind of strong inside talent we need.
I am happy.
#10
"Part of me wants him to beast up the Blazers, but part of me thinks he should move to Hawaii and become a dentist." - Llamaiguana
by llamaiguana on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he re-signs with us in a couple days
That would be epic
has to be a month
take a break, work out the knee some, come back fresh
I really hope that’s the plan
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yeah, and Joel played hard last night,
looking good, taking one for the team.
Joel is always welcome in Portland.
I know we havent even caught our breathe...but....
Is Batum now likely to get shipped for a PG soon (ie this offseason)?
no, and thanks for playing
Nic and Wallace join Matthews and LMA as "the core’
PGotF to follow…no hurry because (say it with me) Dre is AWESOME!
Mods, can we please have a 3 month moratorium on “Hey, Batum must now be trade bait!” responses?
(thanks)
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A guy with a nickname like 'Crash' coming to portland can't be good...
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lob pass--meet at the rim
please be gentle, Gerald
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Jerome Crazy
Portland hasn’t had a player like this since Ruben Patterson was in his prime…and Wallace’s BBIQ >>>>> Ruben’s
I think it’s time to start making plans re: watching Portland play in May again, it’s been a long 10 years
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With the NBA approval of the NOH and SAC trade.
I’d expect them to do the right thing and let this trade pass.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Gotta see the final deal, but I like this:
If we traded the NO pick, that means we traded three bench fodder players (Dante, Bayless, Joel) for a tough, hardnosed, defensive oriented all star? Sweet!
this is the one we've been waiting for
the blockbuster that KP couldn’t deliver
as close to Pau-Kwame as we’re likely to get
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adding a significant piece to the core without giving up anything significant
beautiful…bring Joel back and it’s a grand slam with 2 outs in the 9th
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I would say Camby and Dre both fit the bill
But that’s just me. Adding a top 10 PG and the league’s #1 or 2 rebounder for nothing is nothing to scoff at, even if they are old.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
the Camby deal was nice
especially because it brought exactly what the lineup needed, and solved the PG mess and got rid of Catfish
but Wallace can be a real difference-maker at both ends, so this deal has to take the prize
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I'll agree there
But if a trade this big had been available to KP, I think he would have done it.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
well sure
but does MJ keep working with KP until this deal is done? We’ll never know. KP was trying to hit a home run for years. Cho just hit one
“do, or do not, there is no try”
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The D in this lineup is stellar
Miller
Wes
Batum
Wallace
Aldridge
Run, run, run!
Blocks and steals turning into fast break points!
or rudy for dre
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Miller is solid
Over 1.5 steals per game and the perfect floor general for a lineup of finishers.
All theoretical defense team
Armon
Wes
Batum
Wallace
Oden
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
I just wet myself
As did the rest of the league.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Sadly
If any theoretical player got injured, it’d be Oden.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Theoretical Oden hypothetically retires from Greg Oden disease
Shame he didn’t get diagnosed with it at birth, considering it’s fictionally named after him.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
or replace Camby for Oden
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This is the most active i can ever remember the trade deadline being.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
The last 3-4 years have really been pretty monumental
Some years have had more volume, some more star power, this year seems like a combo of both
the Knicks finally found the plunger
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Roy will be in the lineup too
off the bench with a good 15 min
The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!
Thank you for everything Joel
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 12:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hear hear!
Thank you for helping us through the dark years!
Ruudster
by Ruudster on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
let's not shovel dirt on the Przy
he could be back in 30 days, or after the lockout
but his EC was not let go to waste
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It'll be interesting to see what this team looks like two years from now.
Likely no Wallace. No Miller. Space freed to go after an elite/high-level PG.
it will be interesting to see what this team looks like 2 days from now
and 2 months from now
let’s not worry about 2 years, yet. A lot can happen in 2 years. Roy’s extension was less than 2 years ago
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adding in sean marks
makes the salaries work. blazers could send cash to essentially pay cunningham / marks so that’s my guess on how it was made to work.
My thanks to Joel
the longest tenured Blazer and a hellofa man in my book. Bobcats just got some heart.
other trade...
KBerg_CBS: O.J. Mayo stays in Memphis. Grizzlies and Pacers couldn’t come to agreement before deadline, source says. [via Twitter]
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Indy fans give a Darth Vader-like
NOOOOOO!
then start blaming their GM (or a old former sportswriter) for screwing it up
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We are so Scary defensively now...
Matthews, Batum, Wallace, Aldridge, AND Camby?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Talk about not having to worry when switching on picks!!!!
What a steal!
HUGE steal. Crash is way rad to the maxxxxx and can be a great small ball PF or another good SF.
Awesome!
Mortimer
#20
by Mortimer on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm greeeeeeat
yore reply took my laptop like 5 minutes to show, lol
we miss you.
by hoodieNation on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
come back Morty!
you’ve got new friends to make : )
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Life is always good
Better with G-Force and Morty around, too.
Hope you’re well.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Nice consolation for missing out on Harris. I like G-Force lots too since he can rebound and defend the perimeter
We can go small, or big
Yeah, he can guard multiple positions and do everything except shoot really well.
His head injuries have always been the scary thing about him, but for an expiring pick and draft picks we can easily replace?
This is a no brainer and an awesome deal.
#20
OKC pulled two great deals too though
They get rid of Green and the temptation to give him too much money, and have their bigs with Nazr and Perkins. Thoughts?
I just saw that
I’m pretty out of it in regards to most trades that are happening, but that’s a great deal for OKC. I don’t get why Boston did it— Jeff Green is pretty sucky, and Perkins is a legit solid big who is one of the best big man defenders right now. I ain’t watched him since he came back from his injury of last season, though.
Based on my memory of him, that’s a steal for OKC. And Nazr as a backup is totally fine, he’s good when he wants to be.
#20
something must be wrong with Perkins?
otherwise I don’t get this at all? What is Boston doing? I’m not so sure this is a home run for okc.
He's still a little gimpy
And he’s been getting dings here and there recently, usually knee-related.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of no-brainers
How do you feel about the nickname Crash. I say nuh uh
WEIGH IN, WORDSMITH
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 24, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
g-spot
i keep saying it but no one likes it
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
That's because it's imaginary.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Just like the Man in the Boat?
I KNEW IT!!
Er… I mean… You’re just not doing it right, T D.
Duh.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
lack of knowledge of these areas is a problem
but if we put our heads to it, we can lick this problem in the bud
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
G Force
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Live by the pun, die by the pun
And that’s not a pretty way to go, Son.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
the CT-scan of his cranium came back negative
I’ve got bad news doctor, your patient has no brain
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by two4larue on Feb 24, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nice trade, though its not a steal since Crash has not played very well this year.
long live the jd.
Betta' than Joel and Dante, I bet
And two picks we can replace.
Here’s hoping playing for something revitalizes him.
Getting him and TJ Ford is kinda funny, since both guys might be one injury away from retirement.
#20
I'm looking forward to seeing Rudy, LMA, Crash, Andre, and Nico on the floor together
I don’t know if or how much it will happen, but man, that’s a team that can get up and down the floor.
This trade makes LMA and Rudy better players, IMO.
Frees Rudy and LMA to go for steals on slower players
Almost unfair, if you think about it.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
And the best part of all
LMA doesn’t have to do it all himself inside anymore. He’s got much better rebounding help over Cunningham, and somebody who can actually score in the paint. Getting Wallace means that LMA can probably rest another 3 or 4 minutes a night when Camby come sback
I love Joel and I love Dante
But, this will better the team right now. I’m glad they didn’t have to trade miller. My grade was a B
ALLLL Rudy Then!!!!!
have to think
that Pryz will be pissed, unless they told him they will resign him if he gets bought out.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Might be saving that for Ford
meh
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Something like what Bigz did with CLE
Wouldn’t mind it. Need to rid of Marks though.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
he already leads the league
it’s almost unfair
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i think there are two separate deals
where we send our bayless TE to CHA for something (pick, maybe)
and then JP / Dante/ 11 NO pick/ 13 POR pick for Crash
PHILLY!
We so
Need a coach that can run an up-tempo offense.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Preachin to the choir, man, preaching to the choir... too bad we couldn't have traded BRoy, too...
by Visionary2 on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nate and Brandon are so 2010
there’s no way they can hold back the tide with their hands, now
this team has already changed, it started back in mid-December
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Well, Adelman will be available after the season
And Nate’ll be gone.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
would rick come back to portland?
Kind of random but his son was on one of my basketball teams in middle school. Rick would show up once in a while and give pointers. he was really nice.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I think his daughter still coaches in the area
And I know Rick still has a home hereabouts somewhere.
Depends on if he wants a year off or not, i suppose.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
that's up to Paul
I would still prefer Budenholzer
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yes and it wasn't amicable
I really don’t see a Ricky-reprise, and I think Mike would be a better choice, regardless
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I know few people in the area who don't
Quality guy, good coach.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still good with Nate
I think he’s doing one hell of a job
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm fine with Nate
But I don’t see him sticking around unless we shock the world in the playoffs, and then it’s still less than a coin flip he stays.
My 2 cents.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, this team needs to play slower.
Hire Mike Fratello.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Fratello is a career loser who wasted Nique's career and almost got Cleveland contracted due to his ineptitude
dinasour type of guys choir boys
it's not trending that way, AK
maybe Sam Presti will listen to your suggestions, but Cho/Allen are headed in a different direction
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Indy fans are going to be pissed...
Missed 3pm deadline on Mayo deal…lol
OJ is going to be like...what, so you guys don't want me anymore?
AWWW-kward
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Choed Em
Looks like Rich Cho can deal. This is a great trade.
I graded it a B
But this team is def looking at a first round bye now… Wayyyyy too small of a lineup……Can’t hang in the playoffs.
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Did Dwight cost us Dante? Is more accurate.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
this is kind of the point
thank goodness we still got him, looks like we upped our offer though doesn’t it?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Dante is above crap for me
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
seriously?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Hit up youtube for Wallace's 08/09 mix.
Only if you want to be hyped!
Jerome Kersey and Billy Ray
that’s who just walked through the door
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i like it
kinda turned into a bit much there at the end; dante, joel and 2 first rounders is sorta rough but i still love it
A+ trade
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by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 12:59 PM PST reply actions
agree
A+, no question
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as Fred Sanford would say
“It’s the big one, Elizabeth!”
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hey, I was just gonna post that!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
well, I am at work
but I’ve still got priorities
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
The only reason people think this is "a bit much" is because...
We thought we were getting the freaking steal of the year as of yesterday.
Old MJ
… finally does something to the city of Portland that I don’t feel seething, eye-rolling bitterness about? (cough: still sore from the early 90’s)
So confused! It’s like Bill Laimbeer showing up at your door with a 6-pack and a tasteful gift.
Welcome to the Lob Olympics, Gerald Wallace. I say they start passing out scorecards to the front row seats at the Rose Garden.
hey, these signs all just say 10, what's that all about?
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none of these trades beat the 3pm deadline
so they cant go through, league officials saying
Second unit...
Nic, Rudy, Brandon, Patty (Armon) and…? Maybe they bring Pendergraph back? Still…not too bad.
Cho-B-wan Kenobi has MJ in a daze right now.
Hot sauce in my bag.
by JmarcL4 on Feb 24, 2011 1:02 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
WHAT NOW CHO HATERS??
and the pick we got in the Bayless deal was used too.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Rich just bought himself a whole lotta lovin'
Cho is now like KP was back in 2006-2007, good luck coming up with an encore
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Keep on Cho-hating
Pritchard-luvin got him fired.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
yeah don't become more popular than the boss
I have a feeling that Rich won’t let success go to his head, and he won’t need to hire a capologist like Tom Penn or an agent like Warren LaGarie
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is that an A or A+ trade to you?
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Przy come home
we didn’t mean it, really!
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Good god.
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn't resist.
At least it won’t happen again.
Dude, Greg once blocked LeBron for trying to pull that ish...
Crash so BA
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
We shouldn't overlook...
The sweet sweet fact that we added Crash without losing ’Dre or Camby.
by MidnightWilliams on Feb 24, 2011 1:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bingo
Keep two guys who know what’s up and seem like they genuinely want to be here for the playoff push while adding legitimate NBA talent.
by MidnightWilliams on Feb 24, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace is a win now player
He’s probably just past his peak now. He’ll be his most effective for another 2 or 3 years. This is a win now move, and with a couple of breaks, we just may do that
Wallace will be a hell of a player for another 4 probably at least
even if it’s not at his peak. He’ll still be better than anything we gave up. But even if it’s just 3, I’ll gladly take it
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Absolutely my man
Just saying that with LMA signed for another 3 years after this, the window is the next 3 years.
it's the sweetest fact of all
Batum too
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I hope this limits
ROYs power over the ball!
Now just to get rid of McMuffin!
silent observer....
keep Nate
not the post for coach bashing people!
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by sammymohawk on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
McMillan is the reason this team is in the playoff hunt.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
And Aldridge.
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truth
I was a McMillan skeptic but this is the reality. I don’t know if he’s a championship coach or not, you never know til you get there – but he’s become very skilled at moving pieces around to make it work. And he’s broken some out of his stylistic cliches this year, bowing to the reality of the team he has at his disposal.
This move is right in his wheelhouse. Wallace is an effort guy with skills on D who has seen a dropoff on a bad team – it’s plausible to think we’ll see a bump in production here, and even if not, he’s a good fit at a reasonable price.
Also, I think it is informed by what has happened in Denver and Utah. If those two teams were still looking to contend the next few years, maybe the Blazers go one way. But the general assumption leaguewide now is that each will at least fall off, if not actually crater. This makes it feasible for the Blazers to make a push over the next few years without rebuilding.
Basically, Roy just needs to learn to play within his new limitations. IF he can, the Blazers are well positioned for the period when LA and SA finally hit the wall.
Brooks would have been a great pickup but you can’t move both Camby and Pryz so if you have to pick 1, Wallace was the right choice.
by MrCompletely on Feb 24, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
How are people still bashing Nate?
Have you watched the Blazers play recently?
I
by joelor on Feb 24, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I gave up on that years ago.
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It's hard to fight crazy with rational
by poorwebguy on Feb 24, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
yeah
it’s comical really. who’s the available upgrade? please. we’re incredibly lucky to have nate. I generally think Canzano’s a tool but his column today is on point.
by MrCompletely on Feb 24, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Budenholzer, Spur's lead assistant
Nate’s got a good roster again, assuming Roy and Camby can stay healthy. McMillian has said it enough times but fans aren’t listening
NBA coaches are graded on their post season records
Nate has won one playoff series, in 2004-2005. Then he left Seattle and came to Portland
If he doesn’t win at least one playoff series this April, he’ll be moving on again. Not because I think so, because his option wasn’t picked up last summer and…that’s how the NBA works (except in Utah…) and especially when your owner is Paul Allen
we’re rooting for you Nate—make us proud! But if the Blazers fall short in the first round again…don’t let the screen door hit ya
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just pretend Babbit is a rookie next year
he’ll probably still play like one, so it won’t be hard.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't the NBA like the NHL
If a rookie doesn’t play X games, then he’s still considered a rookie… if only.
Ruudster
If ya weren't funnin'
If ya play even 1 second of 1 game, you are not a rookie the next season. It ain’t like baseball.
#20
I knew there was something wrong with you.
Or is something wrong with me?
…
Nah.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope wallace
wears number 30. anyone with me on this?
by foxtrotportland on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 PM PST reply actions
Number is retired to two Blazers already.
Rasheed not one of them.
look up in the rafters
we can’t have 30 retired 3 times, right? I think there’s a rule against that…
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This is the only thing that makes me question the trade for us... GULP!
#20
by Mortimer on Feb 24, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd.
And not just because you’re Mortimer.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
if Isiah says he likes it
we’re doomed
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So maybe this was already discussed 20 times on here
But what are the chances Charlotte buys out Pryzbilla’s contract and we resign him?
That moves the trade from high be to an A for me
I'm crossing my fingers
This would get us some serious front court depth back
Would joel be
playoff eligible by the time we could resign him?
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
Not sure what our chances are of resigning him but it's possible.
Him being bought out is pretty high, since he and his agent have mentioned a quick decision would be made if traded.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Joel's agent said they would request a buyout or he would retire.
He can resign with the Blazers in 30 days, so sometime in late March.
Can we do that since were already in lux tax?
by biggfish02 on Feb 24, 2011 1:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
for the league minimum sure
Joel still gets paid his salary, plus the league minimum in that situation
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
Can we do that since were already in lux tax?
by biggfish02 on Feb 24, 2011 1:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
pretty sure Cleveland was in luxury tax last March
Joel would get his guaranteed money, then resign at the vet’s minimum—no problem with that
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Wallace take the ball away from
NATROY PLEASE!
silent observer....
I literally called this lastnight. Trade wouldn't happen until after the laker game, and would be pryz for Wallace. I am amazing
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 24, 2011 1:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
and humble too
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
His name is Tyler Durrden
How humble were you expecting?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Personal greatness trumps humility every time. I learned that from Lebron.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 24, 2011 1:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing's gonna ever keep you down
…
/shows self out
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
amazing, humble, prophetic
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
3 or 4 i think
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
ohhh player option
Confirms that this is a win now move
Blazers now a solid veteran team...
A good blend of older vets, mid twenties in Roy and LA and developing young talent (Mathews, Rudy, Batum, Mills if you must). Sorry to see Dante and Joel go but I like whats going on.
by brobot on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
too bad roy plays like he is 40
silent observer....
stop hating, we're trying to enjoy our trade.
make your own post if you want to hate. Geez.
#52
by bustabucket on Feb 24, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
cant hate on the truth
just hope this limits roy’s power….
silent observer....
Miami has interest, but I've got a feeling LMA's already been in his ear
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Wahahaha
I love it
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
just saw that.... lol
did we get him too?
by hoodieNation on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, this is good
We’re another big away from being scary deep again.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Leon Powe is probably getting bought out
Play LMA at C, Powe would be perfect.
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Try this on for size... One of my favorite players coming to Blazers!!!
by dan04103 on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
In all honesty - if we stay healthy: What percentage chance at making WCF?
I say 40%
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions
i think we can take dallas
but new OKC or the lake show? tougher
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Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
or da spurz
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Feb 24, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
ahh but that is without taking Marks into account!
23.64%
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Darn it!
maybe get Steve Purdy to play some d
silent observer....
It's way better than what it was
I like our team with this addition. Even with yesterday’s Laker game, we should have won that and we would have with Gerald Wallace in there.
cmon.. Im happy we got GW... cant show a little optimism?
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by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
There are still 4 teams in the West that are very clearly better than we are. Doesn’t mean its impossible, just that 40% is utterly absurd.
long live the jd.
come on
you cant say that you would rather have Joel and Dante over Wallace. this is a good trade.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I like the trade. It increases our odds at getting to the 2nd round and doesn’t mortgage the future. Doesn’t mean we’re all of a sudden better than LA, SA, Dal or OKC.
long live the jd.
ok from the sound of your posts
you seemed really down on it.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Not down on it at all. I just like to point out that Crash hasn’t been playing his best ball this year— hasn’t been close to allstar level. Still a good player though. Still a solid trade— just not a swindling or a trade that makes us contenders. I like to keep things in perspective.
long live the jd.
and I like to blow things out of perspective at times :)
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by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't that the whole point....to buy low?
Just one year has passed since last year’s rumors and Charlotte’s demands dropped significantly
I like the trade, but ‘buying low’ suggests there’s good reason to believe he’ll return to his former level, and I’m just not sure that’s the case. We gave up a fair price though, and we brought in a good player. Solid move. Just not one that makes us contenders. That’s all I’m saying.
long live the jd.
It'll be great if he returns to:
good d
15 points
8 boards
1 steal
1 block
Oh, he has returned to that, he returned to that this season.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
This made our front court 2x better.
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
It's a pathetic estimate!
I think we should still make our highest expectations being getting out of the 1st round IF THINGS ALL GO RIGHT.
WCF isn’t reasonable, as of now with what we know. If Roy is magically better and Crash is playing like last year, then we’ll be gooder but still prolly not WCF-good.
Let’s get out of the 1st round before expecting too much, guys!
#20
sheesh
okay thanks for stemming my excitement. lol
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
haha k. I may be a tad bit overrating us.. but still.. loving this trade!! makes me forget the Laker game
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by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s get out of the 1st round before expecting too much, guys!
If Portland gets out of the first round…this city will go all ape-poop and perspective will be thrown completely out the window
I’ve been around to see it happen a few times
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Not good, but better than it was before the trade
If we’re going to have a real shot, it’s dependent on everybody staying healthy AND Roy providing solid contribution.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Yes that's right
I do believe we have a good shot PROVIDED Roy can be 80% of the old Roy in fewer minutes. Not only does Wallace help a lot up front, it makes our bench way better because it’s another man deeper now with Batum coming off it.
Welcome to RIP City, baby!
Greg Oden ate my baby. Need money for body-building training so that I may take my revenge.
Who would run point?
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LAMARCUS!
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by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm down with that.
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Def wins championships
and we’ll be scary good both on perimter and in the paint
We lack size/bulk inside, still
We’re vulnerable when matched up against the few teams with real post threats.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Yes, kinda
But we also have quickness and athletism in the 3 and 4 most teams don’t have now with Wallace and Batum. Camby coming back healthy is key now to provide needed size and shot blocking
This won't cause any minute problems either!
Joel/Dante are taking up about 40 minutes a night as it is.. give most of those to Wallace
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by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions
you can rest LMA now
NATE…..
silent observer....
that's the plan
He’s going to be bought out by indy
And when he does, we sign him
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I've had the same thought
His attitude on the court is… unstable. At least from what I’ve seen. Maybe playing with LMA will keep him feelin’ good.
Greg Oden ate my baby. Need money for body-building training so that I may take my revenge.
by JJWeatherman on Feb 24, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Andre Miller had that rep, too
let’s not prejudge TJ
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Small = Fast
Nate has officially started drinking the Kool-Aid
by Trail Ducker on Feb 24, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
to bad we have the slow
brakes locked on trailer….
silent observer....
But so is Chicago
They had to sign Kurt Thomas mid season, and Boozer is only 6’8
Przybilla buyout?
Nobody is talking about it, but if Charlotte buys out Joel for the remainder of the year, we could pick him up after 30 days right? As long as he’s willing to come back? We’ll have a vacant roster spot with Dante leaving. Then, if TJ Ford is a possibility, we can cut Marks to free up a spot.
this is if Joel wants to play for less money...he may just want to retire?
I know he has said he doesn’t want to risk re-injury. But he may just want to stay and play here.
That would be great. He looked better last night.
they also traded Nazr Mohammed so
I imagine they wont buy out Joel..they will need him
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
If they are relying on
Joel at all then they havent watched him play this year.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Thank you Rich Cho!!
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:15 PM PST reply actions
We could be a run and run team with good defense at the same time now
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:15 PM PST reply actions
and rebounding
which makes this small line-up siiick
I know it's a business first...
But basketball, especially in Portland is a community, too. I don’t know to what degree loyalty played in Cho’s decisions, but I am happy to see that he kept ‘Dre, Camby, Batum, and Rudy — all players who vocalized desires to stay with this team.
That’s some damn fine personnel management if you ask me.
From Drexler to Roy
And all the Blazers between
Rip City Uprise
by MidnightWilliams on Feb 24, 2011 1:15 PM PST reply actions
joel was the ultimate loyalty guy
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Being a smart alleck..
I think Joel and Camby were serious…Rudy? He is just Euro…that’s what they do right?
he’s been playing well and am happy he is here.
I've seen guys younger than him working down as Les Schwab....
Oh.
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Oh, the lobs.....
Rudy, Andre, Batum, LMA, WALLACE……
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM PST reply actions
Death from Above
Or Shock and Awe :3
Blazers fan since '91
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"We're family because of this stupid, stinkin' team." - Dave
by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
LAWBR! pronounce in phoenetically. It's a sign.
I
by joelor on Feb 24, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Easiest rec in a long time there.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 24, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
best one since RAMBO
rec
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
im geeked
`seriously, geeked.
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
yes!!
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I think he meant Rudy
Brandon and Wesley don’t put on an aerial display
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Ill be at that game
so he’d better be!!
Greg Oden ate my baby. Need money for body-building training so that I may take my revenge.
by JJWeatherman on Feb 24, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I scored tickets for Sunday
let’s rock and roll
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Patty just tweeted "#notpaid" ... .that was it. hmmmmmm...
"Jumper-free throw-free throw-alley oop-jumper-post move-oh please stop hurting us LaMarcus!" -Dave 2/14/11
We now field two of the best rebounding SFs in the game.
Crash is #1 in defensive boards, and Batum is #1 in offensive boards.
Now if we can just get the ball to go in the freaking hoop…
Stealth > Wealth
How will Wallace feel about coming off the bench and playing backup PF?
I seem to recall he didn’t like playing PF. Batum plays much better as a starter.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Could be an issue
Hopefully playing next to LMA and Camby means he won’t be forced to play as physically at the 4.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Dante's tweet
PEACE PDX THANK U ALL!!!!!!
"Don’t listen to your critics. Listen to your fans."
— Michael Scott, The Office
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 1:20 PM PST reply actions
We love you Dante, thank you for everything
this is a great opportunity for you…not to win, but you know, to play more and really shine
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
BTW, jquick looked like an idiot the last few days.
really shows that he has no clue whats going on around here. Which is sad because I liked his style as a reporter a few years back.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
he hasnt since he peaked threw the blinds
silent observer....
just the last few days?
Coach Iavaroni would beg to differ.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
by abdelnaby on Feb 24, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Great trade
This is a terrific trade for us, let’s hope he stays healthy.
by Jonathan Wright on Feb 24, 2011 1:21 PM PST reply actions
Best part about this trade: Sean Marks is still a Blazer!
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:22 PM PST reply actions
I don;t know if he will for long
We NEED to sign another big now, and still are rumored to sign TJ Ford. That’s one roster spot too many
by Trail Ducker on Feb 24, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
This was a very solid move
We still have some decisions to make going forward and I think a lot of our future depends on Oden’s health.
Hot sauce in my bag.
So, just to be clear
Roughly speaking, OKC traded J.Green for Perk, and PHX traded Dragic for Brooks?
The OKC one scares me…Not so much Perk in the middle (which is kinda scary), as more minutes and a starting role for Ibaka.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Excellent trade for OKC, Perkins is a beast...
Kinda surprising… I guess Shaq and the other ONeal are doing better than anticipated…
Wonder how Green will like coming off the bench?
I wonder how he'll like being a contributor on a title team
assuming they can handle Manu and Timmy
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I hadn't even thought about that, but great point
Perk/Ibaka front line is legit. With KD/WB/Harden scoring all over the place they didn’t really need Green anyway. I’m really more surprised Boston did this
\\oo///
Yeah, if I'm Boston, I'd be really reluctant to give up Perk to a contender
I don’t think this move will get OKC past the Spurs and L*kers this year, but it’s a possibility if one of those teams suffers a major injury
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
All 3 teams hopes weigh heavily on shaky knees
Bynum/Kobe, Perk (just hurt his other knee), and Duncan/McDyess/Blair all have questionable knee health, at best. Anything is possible!!!!!
\oo///
C's are in the same boat with KG, Shaq, and Jerm
Shaq may have injured something other than his knees, but you get my point.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
They got a decent package I think
It’s not equal, but 2 first rounds and Dante is not that bad either
by Trail Ducker on Feb 24, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Even though Wallace hasn't been as good as normal
At age 28, and not knowing any current injuries that would limit him, I do think it isn’t unreasonable to think the change of situation will mean a lot. He’s been rumoured to being traded for 2 years now.
Joel and Dante for Crash just seems like such a killer deal, since Joel was just a warm body this year. I am nervous about Crash lasting, but I don’t mind the risk.
#20
Whereabouts should they be?
For the Bobcats they are fine, but for us… since we have been able to get mid-late 1st round picks easily… it’s not losing much for us.
#20
Hornets pick will be around #20 or so. Our 2013 pick could be pretty much anywhere. I wonder if there’s any protection on it.
long live the jd.
It definitely is good for the Bobcats to get some picks like that
It will help ‘em. And they’re easy for us to give up, since we should be able to replace them if the draft is seen as weak as expected. Win/win!
#20
This frees up a roster spot.
We don’t have to cut nobody for the PG who might die if hit at the wrong angle.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:25 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Armon's a tough guy.
And he’s not getting burn anywhere else. Play him a C and see what happens.
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I like it. Why hasn't Nate tried this already?
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Magic played center sometime and was a PG.
Armon>Magic
i love how in the blink of an eye Denver and Utah take a dive and our
front office and owner step up big and get better. Two years ago we were youngest team in the league and known as soft. Now we’re a bunch of vets who play lock-down D at every position.
Call me crazy; but I'd reshuffle as follows
PG: Miller/ TJ Ford
SG: Fernandez/ B. Roy
SF: Batum/ W. Matthews
PF: G. Wallace/ Camby
C: Aldridge/ Camby
Rudy starting?? Yes, because our outside shooting takes a hit with Wallace in the lineup.
Also has anyone noticed that Daunte+Przy does not equal G Wallace on trade checker?
by Mad Matt the Road Warrior on Feb 24, 2011 1:26 PM PST reply actions
id do that lineup
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
true..
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I like it Matt...
We can finally make that first unit a running one…
I dont want TJ Ford.
Roy looked OK at PG last night.. let him play
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
how quick did roy look?
Seems like he would get killed by a quick PG.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Um
“Seems like he would get killed by a quick PG.”
Fix’d.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
If there’s a chance at a decent backup for a bit of cash and filling our now open roster spot DO IT
I didn't say 'good'.
I said OK. Which is better than Patty.
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I might start Wes at SF, he's been our best shooter and faltered in a bench role
Nic struggled on the bench too, but he was struggling some in the starting lineup at the time as well
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Please never put a 'C' next to LA's name
The last time it was mentioned by members of the media he was talked about as a C/PF and immediately had to go in for an MRI. Start Marks at Center and then take a timeout ASAP to bring in Camby or Wallace. We might be able to fool the curse this way…
Aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, caedi
by Occam's Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
All announcers should refer to the 5 as "The Other Power Forward"
The Dos Equis guy lives life like Chip Kelly calls plays.
Nathan Begley: Cho may come away from deadline with Wallace and Ford and only surrendering Przybilla and picks, that’s a pretty good haul. 4 minutes ago
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
maybe The Bobcats are one of the teams that will be folded....
silent observer....
Or maybe
The league will just force them to “Retire” for a few years.
Maybe they could field a AA team or something.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
Relegation
Not a pretty word, is it MJ?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
So will we all, in a coupla years...
Sorry to see you go, Inferno…
But, as you know, you’re not a star…
Quality dude, though
And I refuse to believe he will (excrement) himself, like Trout has, now that he’s on another team.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Any guesses who the other players/teams are in this trade (since Joel+Dante+picks for Wallace not possible)
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Joel's trade kicker.
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Wallace
He’s a good player, this trade will help us.
We just need to cross our fingers he doesn’t take another concussion and end up a medical retirement. We’ve got close enough to that with our highest paid player.
His nickname is “Crash” – he does crash the boards, but he’s also known for crashing repeatedly to the floor.
reckless disregard
he does get undercut a lot when he dunks/blocks
but he seems to have learned how to fall better, lately
I remember when Kersey was undercut and landed on the back of his head from about 7 feet up—scary
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That was freakin' horrifiing
Against the Lakers wasn’t it?
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
yep, down in L*A
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah....I seem to have that memory etched of Jerome in the road blacks
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
In Cho we trust ...
ok, I talk back all that stuff I said after I thought they weren’t going to do anything. This is an A+ trade.
Organization should care ...
we buy the tickets, the suites, the merchandise. Sports franchises arent independt of fan base influence.
Person from charlotte on 95.5
is saying that Wallace’s body might be starting to fail. Awesome.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Of course he does
He is from CHARLOTTE
Shows he is a real fan, selling the guy up the river after he leaves
Blazers fan since '91
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"We're family because of this stupid, stinkin' team." - Dave
by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
He's a 28 year old high flyer whose contract runs out soon regardless
Minimal risk, really.
Great.
Hope they sign that Chris Johnson guy again. It’s a matter of time before either Wallace or Camby goes down again.
The Dos Equis guy lives life like Chip Kelly calls plays.
no, Jeff Adrien
Johnson is a stick man
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Well, he'll play less minutes for sure.
Problem is that he’ll be playing PF.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Yeah, but Joel's body
is starting to finish failing
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
He was looking spry last night.
The Dos Equis guy lives life like Chip Kelly calls plays.
It probably is
But this trade was about winning now, not the future. Our future is a log-jam until Roy’s contract ends, anyhow. The only cost if Wallace crashes down the road is more of PA’s money. And we know Allen backed this move, so that’s cool.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Our future is a log-jam until Roy’s contract ends, anyhow.
The Wallace deal signals to me that Cho/Allen/Vulcans don’t think that Roy’s contract will count against the cap in 2012…the amnesty clause is anticipated
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Thought we weren't taking risks on injury-prone guys anymore.
This could very easily blow up in the organization’s face.
The Dos Equis guy lives life like Chip Kelly calls plays.
Not really at this price
If we were giving up Batum or something for a guy whose career could end if he falls badly, that’s one thing.
Trading a replaceable undersized backup PF and a guy who will be retiring for Crash means it isn’t a high risk move.
#20
Doesn't he have three years left on his contract at $10 million though?
The Dos Equis guy lives life like Chip Kelly calls plays.
Yea, if you count this year
He’s signed through next season with a player option for the 2012-13.
And remember, nobody is going to get much mileage on their bodies next season. So we might be talking about 2 seasons of play, tops. I think that’s an okay risk considering the price we paid.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
by DC Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup!
But if he plays that ain’t bad, and if he gets another concussion he’s a medical retirement. Since we gave up “nothing”, and he’s a quality player, I think the good outweighs the risk.
If we gave up more, that’s another matter; but we didn’t. We got him for guys who aren’t really a part of the future.
#20
Amazing
Greg Oden ate my baby. Need money for body-building training so that I may take my revenge.
by JJWeatherman on Feb 24, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Cho coming through in the clutch.
Well played Rich; GREAT first major trade for your tenure with the PTB!
Maxey says we have hat guy to thank for the Wallace trade
portland, you can thank “hat man” for getting gerald wallace at the buzzer. word is he felt blazers needed a “rough edge”.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
I think he's saying hat guy convinced Allen to do the deal
And no doubt Allen told Cho to make it happen.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
thank you hat guy
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
More from Maxey
i know “cho time” is the chant. but the chain of command within blazers goes paul allen, bert kolde, and then “hat man”.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Who the heck is hat guy?
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 24, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Bayno said the same thing, last week when he was asked about Matthews
but hat guy has PA’s ear, up in Seattle
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Nate will be happy that Wallace is good shooting from the corners :)
And in transition. And can dribble better than Rudy and Nic. And can block. And gets steals. And had 20 double-doubles last year. And…
perfect for Nate
high-percentage, risk-averse outcomes
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he's very aware of his limitations.
Look at his attempts in the places where he’s blue, versus grey and red. He’s a smart fella.
by howlingfantods on Feb 24, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
do note, please the QUANTITY of shots near the hoop,
obviously his primary scoring zone. The 3 threat is nice if they pack the inside.
In Portland, I assume that the location of his shots will depend on the position he's playing at the time.
As it is, I feel as if he’d be most effective at the 4 shooting high-post jumpers and crashing inside. It’s nice to see he can hit the corner 3, though, as that’s improtant in this scheme.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
What website is this from?
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.
by Terminator X on Feb 24, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Quick math...
If my math is right, he has made almost as many layups/dunks (339/594) as the rest of his shots, 349 attempts. That is awesome. Layups galore.. Alley oops, fast break dunks, putbacks… nice…
And he hits at 48% from foul line extended, and 42% right corner. So you start him on the left, pick and pop up top, if nothing there, pick with the corner guy in the right… Drive the lane for an alley oop, and repeat if necessary..
Great trade…
how would y'all rate MJ as a GM/Owner?
destined for the HOF, or an abject failure, or something in between?
Win the day!
Rumor has it that Bobcats are high on Gerald Henderson as a SF and had to decide on S-Jax or Wallace
Unfortunately, he'll never have the special honor
Of being the best player ever and worst GM ever.
DAMN YOU ISIAH!!!!!!
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
So if the Blazers do grab TJ Ford,
are they really going to lock up four roster spots with point guards (two of whom are barely adequate)? With only one center (Camby)?
don't forget Marks
Or maybe they cut Marks or a PG and add Pryz if he gets bought out by CHA.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Yeah, I was assuming they'd cut Marks.
Doubt they’d cut Armon or Patty. I’d be surprised if they resigned Pryz, but who knows?
This is exactly what I've been thinking and it makes me want to think we are missing something.
"Jumper-free throw-free throw-alley oop-jumper-post move-oh please stop hurting us LaMarcus!" -Dave 2/14/11
well I TRIED to add Patty to the Wallace deal
but Paul Allen slapped me down – hat man
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
(twothree of whom are barely adequate)
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Feb 22 against Toronto
Wallace scored 20 points on 3 for 6 shooting and 14 for 15 from the FT line. Need more of this.
Nate likes putting teams into the penalty
Crash can do that
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
we could use more badness
in a good kind of way
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Cho still has some of MJ's credibility stuck in his braces.
Hot sauce in my bag.
by JmarcL4 on Feb 24, 2011 1:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah you generally don't want to eat credibility or caramel with braces
but they are just so good.
Hot sauce in my bag.
I'm kind of iffy on this deal.
How is the team gonna afford a PG and a big man…and be able to sign Batum to an extension in the future? Trades, trades and more trades?
This really ties Portland down to a lot of payroll for a position they didn’t really need.Two first rounders for a borderline all-star might be a bit much. This is very Whitsitt-esque.
I reckon they'll be pretty active around the draft.
Andre’s option doesn’t get picked up for next season (due to the lockout), and they can trade him anytime before June 29.
They don't have to worry about resigning Joel or Dante.
Camby will retire, Miller will probably get traded at some point. I assume Camby’s money goes to Oden and Miller’s money goes to some other PG.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
I also wouldn't be surprised if the team is banking on Roy medically retiring eventually
It’s probably worth it to Allen to pay through the nose for a year or two to build a contender (which will bring in more revenue anyway).
Crash can sell some jerseys, too.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
the team is banking on Roy medically retiring eventually
I’d say they’re banking on the amnesty clause or they wouldn’t have have added Wallace’s salary to the payroll, today
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Could be both? Or either? Certainly not neither...
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
In June, draft Nolan Smith as the team's long-term fit at point guard; plus, trade Andre Miller, Nicolas ...
Batum, and filler (e.g., Luke Babbitt) for Andre Iguodala.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
tried to ask you this in another thread
What’s your take on Nolan? Haven’t been able to see much from him but have been looking into him.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Wow I couldn't even read all of these
But even with all the trade talk, I am completely blown over that this actually happened. I know it’s already been said, but looking for toughness in players? Done. Plays at the hoop? faster/smaller play without sacrificing rebounding? Another 20 pt scorer added? Done and done.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
only if ROY doesnt pout....
silent observer....
It's okay.
I still like the “All your base are belong to us” meme.
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Hope Wallace can still ball without a headband on.
by p.r.o.o.f.PTB on Feb 24, 2011 1:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This totally messes up my .sig
"By the transitive property of General Manager idiocy, this means the Blazers traded Deron Williams for next year's heavily protected 1st Round Hornets pick plus the rights to Joel Freeland..." - Timbo
Cho officially does more than review restaurants and talk on the phone
So stoked on this new lineup. The press conference should be an interesting one.
Or decided they are losers
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
It's interesting to see what the Boston Celtics are doing here.
Come playoff time, they may be in trouble against teams like Orlando, Los Angeles, or San Antonio.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
so big trade goes down today and 95.5
is talking about U of O’s new stadium? huh?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
WOW!
Kudos to the Blazers for stealing Wallace. As a Clips fan, I was wishing we would have snagged him instead.
Now if Roy just rests and is healthy for the playoffs, you have a very deep and balanced team.
BTW, now that you have Wallace, how about trading Matthews to the Clips in the summer ;-)
Do you have an extra Blake?
We miss having one around after we traded you our last one.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Give us Griffin and we MIGHT be interested
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Not that I approve TJ ford.
@MarcusCamby23 u know I wouldn’t mine being with my TX boyz… Lmao
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Lol
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by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Where's Jaynes? I feel like someone should break the story "TJ Ford Officially Signed by Blazers" before he's even bought out
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Who says small-market clubs can't use their star power to build their own big 3s?
NYK, Paul, Melo, and Stat ain’t got nothing on Ford, LMA, and Camby.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
No wonder I'm hungry.
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
CHOGUN!
Shogun (将軍, shōgun?) About this sound listen (help·info) (literally, “a commander of a force”)
Would make sense if Cho was Japanese and not Burmese.....
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Phase 2: ???
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by HailOden! on Feb 24, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Mayo trade went through according to NBATV
Pacers might have got the best deal today.
If this trade did go through...
…Every team should be dealing with Memphis.
P.Gasol – Check…
OJ Mayo – Check….
If I was Mark Gasol – i’d sign nothing and wait for my bird rights and sign elsewhere.
Blazers got the best deal of the day
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
after Williams and Melo
we got the best player who changed teams
Wallace > Harris
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i dont see how you make that argument.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
keep an eye on Devin in Utah
I don’t expect he’ll lead them anywhere but to the lottery
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I think Chauncey is a better player
I think wallace will be a great fit but i think Harris is a better player.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
The talking heads on ESPN say this was a big win for Charlotte
They like the picks we gave up.
Do we know if there are any protections on our 2013 first-rounder?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
huh?
since when are picks in the 20’s good?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
And the 2013 pick will be in the 30's.
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We'll be so good that our first rounder will become a second rounder.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
countless times?
there are plenty of times late picks were awesome, and just as many times early (top 10-ish) picks have flopped. Either way its a crap shoot, but more 1st rd picks are always better than less.
\oo///
Not really.
They’ve actually calculated the percentages and the eventual quality of draft picks pretty much decrease straight down the draft.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I think Crash himself was even 25th, or something
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Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I agree
The 2011 pick is nothing—this draft looks weak.
I suppose the 2013 pick could be a big loss if we’re in the lotto that year and it’s not protected.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
re: our 2013 pick
It’s quite possible that the 2013 pick could be a lotto pick, actually. Dre and Camby will be gone unless we re-sign them. Roy could be completely done by then. Rudy’s deal will have ended, and he might not re-up. And Crash can opt out the year before.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
I'm not saying the deal was a bad one, though
Just not a totally painless. Not as good as giving up both of this year’s picks.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
if we're in the lottery in 2013
with Nic and LMA, we messed something up big time
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I doubt Nic Batum is still here in 2013.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
where is he going?
you see a team offering him more than PDX?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I don't think it's wise to have an opinion on that either way.
It’s too far in the future to have much of a clue.
you'll have to excuse AK
he wants Iggy. Badly
Portland just acquired Iggy, his name is Gerald Wallace
Batum stays, and signs a decent extension, and keeps staying in PDX
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I'd trade batum for Iggy.
But the deadline is already past.
You know what this means? No more trade posts for like a whole six hours!
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by T Darkstar on Feb 24, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no trades, but more roster moves to come
and then we’ll be talking about the draft…it never ends…that why we love this game
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Gerald Wallace is a 3/4, while Andre Iguodala is a 3/2.
Beyond that, though, they’re extremely different stylistically.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
ok, either way we still messed up big time if we're in the lottery in 2013
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
it's protected
according to John Strong
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You're on...
He’s going to be in the front seat of the bus, waving a flag, during our victory parade, June 30, 2013!
No way!
We will have LMA, Wes, Batum, and I hope, Oden. That’s not a lottery bound team, even if you add average players in drafts and deals until 2013…
I agree
win-win. We get what we want for pieces that don’t derail us immediately, or much in the future (we still have hopes on Oden, I think). Charlotte needs to shed salary to rebuild, weren’t going anywhere with GW, and the picks could really help them
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win-win is right
not every trade is a zero sum game. both teams got what they wanted. no one got taken. We have different goals – CHA is clearing room and reloading to rebuild. Done. We’re working with a 3-5 year window that should peak in 2-4 and Wallace fits well in to that, while neither a 20s pick in this bad draft nor any non lottery pick in 2013 is relevant to that window.
this is about strategy more than tactics, and strategy is based on your high level goals.
now someone explain what Boston did?!?!?!?!
by MrCompletely on Feb 24, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
still wondering
they also dumped Erdih and Harangody. Some rumblings about Sheed returning again, who really knows
\oo///
I hope Rasheed Wallace returns to Boston.
He’s still fun to watch out there, even when fat and lazy.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Hollinger also says they could use TJ Ford
They need a backup PG.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
I was just thinking about this.
Why does MJ make this deal? I really don’t understand what he’s trying to do.
How does 2 1st round picks on a playoff team help?
Does 2 Luke Babbits for one Gerald Wallace help the Bobcats?
Its utterly ridiculous to point to a sucky rookie as a reason late first round picks aren’t valuable. Sure you aren’t guaranteed to get a good player, but there’s a very real chance you will.
long live the jd.
and paul allen can sometimes simply BUY a pick in the 20s
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
I’m sure someone’s done the analysis on that, I’m too lazy to look it up at the moment. Still, for a team that’s going nowhere, getting first round picks makes sense.
I like the deal for Portland, but its not like Jordan got nothing in return. 2 first rounders, cap relief with Joel’s deal and Dante is not terrible return for a guy playing at significantly below his past level.
long live the jd.
for a team that wants to continue going nowhere, yes, late first round picks on guaranteed contracts make sense
why not keep paying a guy peanuts for three years, since he will probably not be in the league the 4th year.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
San Antonio has done a great job keeping itself afloat with late first rounders (and less)
In addition to some great second round and undrafted guys (e.g., Blair, Ginobli, etc.), in the 2000’s San Antonio made the following quality pick-ups in the late first round: Hill, Splitter, Udrih, Barbosa (traded), Salmons, and Parker.
And of course, Batum and Rudy were late first-round selections as well.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
One team is not a trend.
SA is always the exception. Especially considering the play they get out of undrafted free agents.
Look at Neal this year, Bowen, Mason jr…
You might start thinking it’s the system, more than the player.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
That's just cause everything Pop coaches turns into an all star
or suddenly has a lot of finger jewelry
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
which is why I'd like Portland to poach his lead assistant
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those are the best kind
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
2011 and 2013
2011 is the NO pick, and 2013 is ours.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Who cares....
The entire team would have to have knee problems for them to not rank at least 14th
Careful there buddy...The Curse might here you, and The Curse knows no bounds
May The Cho put The Curse in a Cho-ke Hold, as The Cho did to His Airness.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
A solid B on this trade.
Only real bummer is having to give up Dante and two 1st rounders instead of 1, but the 2013 pick might not be so great anyway. Love what Wallace can bring to the team with his defense. Lets just hope he doesn’t fall victim to the curse.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Batum just tweeted that Marks is gone
Lost some good friends and good teamates…good luck@DlamarC33, big joe and sean “kiwi” marks
"filler" haha
I hope he’s waived so Nate is never tempted to play him again.
Interesting
Was he part of the Wallace deal or did we cut him?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Wouldn't we wait to cut him until those guys get bought out?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
And wouldn't we have to wait 30 days to sign him like Cleveland did with Big Z last year?
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
I could see that but I think they need to show TJ that he's wanted
and show Joel the same. Idk.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Prolly part of the Wallace trade
Dante’s salary still leaves us around $200k short on outgoing salary with Joel’s trade kicker (which does not count as outgoing salary)
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
saw that.... Seaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
hearts breaking everywhere
"Jumper-free throw-free throw-alley oop-jumper-post move-oh please stop hurting us LaMarcus!" -Dave 2/14/11
I wonder who else is coming?
Even if TJ Ford joins the team, we wouldn’t have had to cut anyone.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Maybe we will sign Pendergraph again, that will be my dream.
I know he is still injured- I think, but he is close to being healthy.
1952-2010 R.I.P
Maybe Joel gets a buyout, and we resign him? :D
Does that work?
by pappasan.duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I want another big
like Leon Powe if he’s bought out
or Jeff Adriens from the D-league
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Houston was talking about waiving Jared Jeffries
He’d be ok off our bench behind Camby and Aldridge.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Sean Marks is gone? Say it aint so Batum!!
Love this trade
To anyone who watched the LA game last night, it’s obvious that Aldridge needs someone who can spread the floor for him.
Roy, Batum and Matthews simply can’t do that for him.
I’ll take Wallace now and find the bigs later. Cant believe I’m saying this, but good move Cho :)
I love the trade too but we didnt get wallace to spread the floor
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
he shoots the corner 3 well, but I agree
he’s not here to spread the floor.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Spread the floor might not have been the right word...
I guess I more meant he will take attention away from Aldridge. He will give us another legit scoring option, rather than the “Aldridge or 3” type of offense.
Did Brian Grant have them when he was here?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Both, right?
Didn’t he have dreads in the back?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
just dreads I believe
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
we need somebody, playing without a center is not good.
And hearing that Camby still has pain, makes me a little worried. We can’t expect LA to play center much. Let’s hope they plan to get a center with the open spots.
#52
Playing with centers just gets you more injured centers.
Let’s stick with forwards and guards.
The Dude abides.
which is where we have been for how long? Joel could barely play.
He did look better last night and will probably continue to get better. May come back after 30 days if bought out. That would be great. Maybe this is in the works…behind the scenes. Never know.
Also can’t Wallace do what Dante did as “center”?
i.e. play the 4 so LMA doesn't have to be called the 5.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I'm pretty sure that's wrong
Trade kickers count as incoming salary, but not as outgoing salary (hence why Peja had to renegotiate his out of the contract so that Toronto could take him back using their trade exception). Marks was probably included as filler, but no one cares enough to report it. He may have even been waived immediately
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
now I see this...didn't see Marks as out..but really
Marks is not a good player. And I have a feeling Joel will be back as soon as possible. Could Cho ask Charlotte to buy him out as part of the deal?
If Marks is gone, we have two roster spots.
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tj will happen
he, LA and Camby have leaked it….and why not? hes a huge upgrade to Armon at the very least
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Breaking: Class action lawsuit against Charlotte for false advertising
by Norsktroll on Feb 24, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
10 bucks and 40 bucks?
although i guess those are two terrible teams
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Cause they had Gerald Wallace
He is a former all star ya know
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'd pay $10 for 200 level seats
Although with Crash having been traded, it does become a lot less tantalizing.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
who are you paying to see then?
Tyreke is out, Damarcus could be suspended. Who else does Charlotte have?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I've paid close to $10 to watch NCAA soccer tournament games
Not quite the same, but the entertainment value is still higher with even lower tier professional athletes.
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Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Would like to see Dante there.
With his mouth guard smiling with a big grin. Maybe with his face mask too
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
I must have stumbled upon the bi-polar blog
a few hours ago, I was reading about CHO being worthless, and now he has God-like qualities!
Win the day!
so is the trend of die-hard blazer fans
our struggles have made us ALL bi-polar
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
you must have stumbled upon this blog VERY recently if you are just now realizing that
Aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, caedi
by Occam's Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
LOL! Not really, but the bi-polar quality has been in abundant evidence in the past 24 hrs
[apologies to all bi-polar folks out there, no offense intended]
Win the day!
True
I made the mistake of reading the end of the gameday thread yesterday. Forgot why I stay out of those. I was ready to blow the whole team up and start over, keeping no one.
Aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, caedi
by Occam's Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously : AVOID GAMEDAY THREADS
Unless you have a high pain tolerance. Or want to experience adolescence again.
Not obsessed with a championship. Just love watching basketball.
by ericbenjamin on Feb 24, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
yup
elated at getting Wallace. Pissed that it got called off. Stoked at beating the l*kers… oops 4th quarter collapse… Take it all out on Jaynes- oh, wait the trade went through anyways…
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by Occam's Blazer on Feb 24, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Trust me, it feels like always.
But sports is an emotional rollercoaster.
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he's off the hook, but I still don't approve of his handling of the situation
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Reply fail
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
goes back decades for me
he was Canzano, back in the day
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Cho's plan revealed
Get a defensive stopper who rebounds like hell, runs the floor and a former all-star for none of our core pieces. Wow,
Quick saying
This would be like portland trading BRoy or LMA for just draft picks and parts. That is sad for them. Who is the face of the bobcats now?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
michael jordan
just as he always has been. until they make a splash with a HUGE draft pick (no self-centered vet wants to try to play in MJs shadow) it will always be that way
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
That's the point.
Crash is good enough that he keeps the bobcats in between the playoffs and the lottery. They need to go to the lottery and start rebuilding. We just gave them some great pieces for just that.
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<
\__/
fo sho
and that very well could be the business reason behind this seemingly illogical roster move….sorry that Dante got caught up in it
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Dante will become a great supporting piece to whatever star they end up landing in the the draft
As will the later picks, just as Rudy, Nic, Bayless, etc were to be great complements to our high-lottery stars (LMA, Roy, and Oden). Assuming MJ doesn’t draft like an idiot, that is……..Poor Charlotte……..
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
There is no in between
Crash is good enough that he keeps the bobcats in between the playoffs and the lottery
You are either in the playoffs…or in the lottery. That’s it
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
The person I replied to
It the “up” arrow
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
There are low lotto picks that never do much, and low playoff seedings that lead to first round exits.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Yeah I know
but there is literally nothing between the playoffs and the lottery
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
I know, but I think NCBF was referring to teams that aren't good, but aren't bad enough to get better
More like a general reference than an actual group of teams that are literally in between the playoffs and the lottery.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Wrong-o. Thirty-one days.
The playoffs start April 16th and the draft lottery is on May 17th.
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
--Alfred Lord Tennyson
Nailed!!
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Feb 24, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Clippers figured out a way
to do both at the same time
Like…trading away your first round pick and still missing the playoffs?
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Canzano Jaynes
for 24 hours, Dwight replaced Canzano as the #1 target of hatred in Blazer Land
Win the day!
I just avoid both of them
It’s not that difficult.
"Don’t listen to your critics. Listen to your fans."
— Michael Scott, The Office
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
not for everyone. Canzano holds a special place for me. I don't think anyone could
ever dethrone him. He’s not only a media pot stirrer, he is butt stupid.
People would have laughed about this deal at the beginning of the season
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4kwqwuk
Trade drawer post: Gerald Wallace to Portland for Dante, Marks, Joel. Oh well, we’ll throw picks and maybe some cash in if Bobcats don’t bite.
Some are laughing now.
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Hollinger's trade machine is laughing too
-4 wins. Epic fail.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
The trade machine doesn't take positional flexibility into account
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Dante's value went up as the season went along
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
if someone had made a trade drawer for this deal
they would have received dozens of negative recs
which just goes to show, no trade proposal is too far “out there”
well, almost none
some Bedger “called” the Camby deal last year, but I’ll bet no one bought this year’s lottery ticket
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no, but we've been clamoring for GW
for a few years now, so maybe this is a sign that when we’ve finally lost all hope for PGOTF, we’ll land him. I can’t help it, I’m an optomist
\oo///
so if we keep saying "we don' need no stinkin' PGotF"
then before we know it, we’ll suddenly confess “well lookie here, Rich Cho just acquired a star PG without hardly even trying…”
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From Ken Berger Twitter:
Bobcats also get big man Sean Marks from Portland in Wallace deal, source says.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
So did we send out 3 players and 2 picks for one player?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
that's how many fingers I counted
RenoMillerFan
by RenoBlazerFan on Feb 24, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hello!
….
Oh crap! I gave it away! You see nothing. You see nothing at all….
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Wow, so you really aren't Paul Allen......................
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Phase 2: ???
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As far as you know, yes.
Yes, that will do nicely.
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That's a nice, tasty looking hat
Too bad about the raisin filling.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just be thankful he's wearing the coat
The alternative is more unpleasant.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Kevin Pelton:
Sean Marks to Charlotte is significant. Bobcats brought in 5 guys and dealt 2 if I’m reading it right, which means cutting 3 players.
I bet they keep Cunningham, cut Marks, and buyout Przybilla. Hopefully we can resign Przy for the veteran minimum.
They've got to cut three of their own players first to clear roster space for the two trades.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
They had a full roster.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
It also means CHA has to cut/buyout some of the new guys
E.g., Pryz, so we can re-sign him.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
doesn't he mean adding 3 players?
They lose 2 and add 5, means they have an additional 3 players.
am i reading this wrong?
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
They can cut Dominic McGuire, Derrick Brown, and Sherron Collins to make room for the trade.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
wouldn't we have to wait 30 days to re-sign Joel?
"Jumper-free throw-free throw-alley oop-jumper-post move-oh please stop hurting us LaMarcus!" -Dave 2/14/11
exaclty
he’d be back in time for the playoffs
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
*until we get joel right back
1. hes a hero in portland, no where else in the league. he (deservedly so) gets alot of allowance from our fans.
2. he’s damaged goods and wont be very effective for at least a month
3. cutting 3 roster spots is significant.
to me- everything adds up to a monumental return of the thrilla!!! (wouldn’t it be his 2nd or 2rd standing O off the bench this season lol)
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
See, to me, this adds up to the fact that we will trade for Chris Paul
I keed, I keed! I don’t want to spoil the post GW trade Euphoria.
by Montavilla Steve on Feb 24, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Joel's actually pretty well thought of
In Milwaukee and Minny, too. And I’ve heard fans in NY wishing they had him as well.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Boston needs a big now too since they dealt Perkins. Maybe Joel'd rather win a ring?
LaMarshmallow - Distant Memory.
they just traded perk, harangody and erden
so yeah they could use a defensive-minded big
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
The Spurs have wanted him forever and now they might need him more to match up with OKC.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
OKC's centers aren't going to score much
You don’t need a big to compete with them, it’s just no longer true that if you have a big they can’t compete with you.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Ok, I'm confused.
So we had almost no big men and we just traded three of ’em. Crash, LMA, and Camby are are only bigs at the moment.
That would be a nice pick-up
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
He's oft-injured and undersized.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Then we sign back Joel and pick up TJ
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
i keep saying we're too small now.
We need to bring in someone, we can’t continue this way. If we face the l*kers, we’re gonna get crushed.
#52
Doubt we'd win a 7 game series
but there’s a great chance the Lakers get Crashed if we play them. GW is a pain in the neck for the Lakers…as is LMA now.
It seems to me that this is a move for the future and present.
It makes us more competative now, because we have the much needed scorer and defender to play the 3/4, and I assume that Cho and co. made this deal with the assumption that Oden is coming back eventually. So next year, when it’s all said and done, we have a lineup of Dre, Matthews, Crash, LMA, Oden.
Can you say contenders?
you're probably right.
depending on match up, we’ll be lucky to get past the 1st round.
I still think we need a couple more moves. Maybe during the draft and this summer we can do a couple more moves.
But come next year, everyone back. We are scary!!
#52
God, I hope there's still an MLE at the end of this season
If we could get someone like Landry, Dalembert, Jeff Foster, or even just a Big Baby or Dante Cunningham (RFA, btw) to round out that frontcourt, we could be soooo lethal.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
yeah, but, they're Crash, LMA, and Camby
think QUALITY, what you want when the going gets tough, and you can only play 5 at a time.
And we have some open roster spots.
so it's a 5 for 1 trade?
Wow! Daily Double time! When is the last time there was a 5 for 1 trade in the NBA (and who were the players)?
Win the day!
That was a two-for-one trade, with picks involved.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
It's not -- he's including CHA's other deal
Nazr for Mo Pete and D.J. White
In total, it was 2 for 5.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Geek speak here..
Gerald Wallace has a 6.98 2-Year adjusted +/-, 12.13 for just this year.
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2010-2011&team=CHA
Gotta like that.
Only have a rough idea what that means
But I’m sure I like it.
i dont really have a great grasp on it either..
I think it’s like normal +/- but adjusted for minutes and the teammates you play with.
Not 100% on that though.
For reference, LMA
LA's also been running around +14 this year, right behind league leader Dirk Nowitzki
We just got a lot better.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Gerald Wallace is really good.
Can’t read into his stats this year too much considering the context. He’s a very good player and I’m ecstatic.
Plus, he’s a bad matchup for LA and OKC.
Andre-Wesley-Nico-Crash-LMA is now the scariest running lineup in the league.
Can we have a do over of last nights...
Blazers v. L*kers game with our new line-up?
Hopefully in round 2 of the playoffs
or Round 3 even
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
so now we have 2 roster spots
one for Ford
other for…Earl Barron? Joel (in 30 days)?
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Earl Barron is garbage.
He’s a weak, inefficient face-up shooting 7-footer masquerading as a center. In reality, he’s a soft forward.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Watching Crash videos on YouTube is making me happy...
I can’t imagine the poor Bobcat fan searching for videos of Joel and Sean… it ain’t pretty.
LMAO
Marks’ highlight this year was a dunk in practice….
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
And a three pointer!
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Im guessing the plan now is
We sign TJ, bring back Joel after the Cats buy him out, and then we run wild.
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by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 2:25 PM PST reply actions
if PDX brings in Ford
does that mean Armon or Patty couold get bought out?
hopefully patty
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
I'm pretty sure we have 2 open roster spots...
Marks is reported as gone as well
I love Joel as much as the next guy, but he hasn't exactly been effective.
I’m not sure waiting 30 days for him is wise.
We need a center from somewhere
because we have exactly zero healthy ones right now
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
by GMan83201 on Feb 24, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
right, we need a center right now.
So I think it’s probably smarter to sign someone ASAP rather than waiting a month.
Well I guess having Armon play 2 guard in the D-league
makes a lot more sense now
There is no "run wild" with this system.
Nate McMillan has steadfastly been a down-tempo coach for over a decade, which has included numerous different personnel groups. Rarely do coaches change the pace in which they dictate their players to play at midway through their careers, with Pat Riley being a unique exception.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I think that is so cute!
"Don’t listen to your critics. Listen to your fans."
— Michael Scott, The Office
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
That's adorable.
If I were in PDX, I totally would.
Off Topic: Perkins looks like Frankenstein on the front page of ESPN.
I actually lol. For reals.
by Jblaze on Feb 24, 2011 2:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
As a Nuggets fan
wow, you guys got one hell of a defense now.
"We'll move the Earth for A Title"
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
President of the AAA fan club, no not that AAA.
ironically..
this move would have been very effective in limiting ’melo. looks like THAT wont be so necessary.
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
we feel as if we have a good shot at the playoffs
we have 8 players who shoot double figure points, and we will be running and gunning with Felton all season long. Best of luck getting to the playoffs though.
"We'll move the Earth for A Title"
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
President of the AAA fan club, no not that AAA.
Same to you
I’m hoping that we don’t need it, after this trade, yours, and the NJ one.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
The switch-heavy SOS pressure defense is still crap, which'll be a problem until Nate McMillan is gone.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Im not so sure about this now, if Marks is included..
Marks, a reserve center and cult hero, is averaging 1.6 points and 1.4 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game this season.
by collectiveshane on Feb 24, 2011 2:32 PM PST reply actions
Is the plan now to play LMA 48 minutes a game?
I realize Joel isn’t the Joel of old and that Dante isn’t a true big. While this trade might make is better, it also makes us much, much smaller. Even if Wallace can play the PF for stretches Camby or LMA will probably need to be on the court at all times. Seems like a huge gamble in the short term.
Perhaps Cho has a big on his radar he is going to sign? Charlotte will probably release Joel, but I would be surprised if PDX can re-sign him. I hope we aren’t gambling with LMA’s future health by overplaying him this year.
by lil'stink on Feb 24, 2011 2:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Im pretty sure they at least sign Chris Johnson
They have two open roster spots and if they are smart they will just sign 2 bigs. They don’t need another PG with Armon and Patty. In fact, I would think about releasing Patty altogether.
by littlelinny6 on Feb 24, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
seems to me the club is willing to give Oden one last chance
if he comes back healthy next season our size issues are magically gone
by Jamie Backer on Feb 24, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
that's what he has been playing so what's the big deal?
Actually…I believe Wallace plays the 4 and so can Batum. I am sure they will get a filler center even before they may get Joel back.
How about this…trust the GM. He probably knows what he’s doing even better than we do.
He's 6'7" 220 and is a true 3.
I do trust Cho, but Camby and LMA will need some relief. Nic can come off the bench and Wallace can slide to the 4, but that won’t work all the time
by lil'stink on Feb 24, 2011 2:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
OTOH, I am sure Cho talked with Joel prior to the trade
and only went through with it because they came to an understanding that Joel would come back after 30 days. I realize this isn’t kosher according to NBA rules, but it probabaly happens all the time.
Perhaps Santa leaves Joel a few shares of Microsoft stock in his stocking
by lil'stink on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Joel with stock options cracks me up for some reason
More like Titanium mudflaps for his truck.
And a coupon to Olive Garden.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I like Olive Garden.
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Now you're gonna tell us you're Joel Pryzbilla.......or at least allude to something like that
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I'd never do such a thing.
And if I gave it some effort, I could delete the evidence that I’m lying through my teeth.
…
Laziness wins.
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Joel, you're a millionaire
Splurge on Sizzler or something.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
It was Joel
who was quoted in a story begging the young players to take advantage of the NBA matching 401k system……..
Down with the Ruskies
Yes, but not because he had any idea about stocks
Just because it was free money the shorties were leaving out there unclaimed.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Not to be a downer
but does anyone think it’s fishy that Charlotte gave away their best player for so little?
maybe they know something we don’t? just a thought.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
People really like the perkins trade for OKC?
Green was their 5th best (based on PER) and Kristic was their 6th best palyer.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I'm a little confused by it, since I'm assuming it's a rental.
It’s a great trade for their chances this year. I’m not sure that they can afford him next season, though. They know their budget better than I do I guess.
better on defense
but Green was third in points and minutes by a lot on their team.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Their defense has been more of a problem this year
Perk also gives them a much better pick-setter, which will create some more options on offense.
Also, this moves Ibaka into the starting lineup, who give them a legit, albeit raw, low-post scoring option. The move definitely makes them better.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
They have other guys who can step up on offense
Harden is probably the main guy they’ll ask to bear a larger scoring role. And Perk has some offensive value.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
And Ibaka will get a lot more burn this way
He’s capable of giving them far more than he has to date.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Presti took the toy of his owners away who might have given him a too big deal
Green is fairly inefficient. Not a bad pick (they only missed out on Noah, but that was hard to see with the 5 guys ahead and behind him worse). But not what they need going forward. He and Durant really duplicate in position. Ibaka, Nazr, Perkins is a better rotation. And they still have cap space or the MLE (if it exists) to go after Nene in the summer or re-sign one of their new guys.
Yeah, it's a good move for OKC to bolster its frontline in the meantime.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Possible Buyout options for Blazers (pending buyout options)
Joel, (in 30 days if bought out)
Leon Powe
T.J. Ford
Jason Kapono
Troy Murphy
Jarmario Moon
Sean Marks (could possibly be waived)
Mike Bibby (still up in the air)
Well, there is always Chris Johnson
by Norsktroll on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather have Jeff Adrien
even though he’s a PF not a C (Johnson isn’t a 5 either, he’s a bean-pole)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Joel, Ford and Powe please
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
with Patty gone?
I could go for that
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
since I don't know if we can wait for Joel
Powe, Bibby, Murphy, Ford in that order
Now Nate finally has the team he wants
Nate loves players like Wallace and Matthews.
These guys are fonna shock the world come playoff time.
Book it.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
- Charles Darwin
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211434/Sources_Rasheed_Contemplating_Comeback
did he later retract it?
PHILLY!
on twitter
he says he is retired and has no plans to come back.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
correct
but the premise of the post is still flawed. We can’t just pay him weekly until Pryz is ready.
Wow, I didn't know Dante was #33 in college
I always thought he wore 33 because he was drafted 33.
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by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 24, 2011 2:39 PM PST reply actions
what's the procedure to get him back?
and do you know how long we have to wait?
(assuming CHA buys him out of course)
PHILLY!
What options do we have to sign or re-sign (in the case of Joel) players?
I’m guessing the BAE and Vet. Min?
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Can't believe others think this is anything but a landslide victory
Get a great SF who bring a much needed physical, attacking game to Portland for two guys who will be free agents at the end of the year anyways, a journeyman big man who seldom plays, and two late round draft picks in a crappy draft!
I can’t believe people (on other forums, mostly) are complaining about this.
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yes to this trade
i cant belive the celtics did that
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
I am feeling better about trading Dante now.
There’s something really odd about a guy who owns cats, especially if he’s single and lives alone.
Dude cats are awesome. You kidding me?
Dante just got more awesome in my book.
Lolcats FTW!
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
Don't forget Bobcats
They do good business.
Hey I have cats
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"We're family because of this stupid, stinkin' team." - Dave
by rise_stand_resist on Feb 24, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not single
But I have cats, and would even without the fam.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah it's chill
Because they’re adorable, low maintenance, and really soft. Everything I look for in a pet.
Steve Martin's old routine
If a dog jumps up on the chair and eats out of your dish and you scold it, it will slink over to the corner and look sad, possibly for days.
But if a cat jumps up on the chair and eats out of your dish and you scold it, it will give you the condescending look that says “WELL, isn’t this MY house? Isn’t that MY bowl?”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Nic Batum has cats
And if anybody knows what’s cool, it’s Nic. Therefore, cats are cool. Simple logic.
Wiggada Wiggada Zers!
And one of the coolest penis-shaped monuments of all time! Of all time!
And the highest bridge! Vive la France!
Washington Monument still takes the cake over the Eiffel Tower
Just sayin’. ’Merica.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Huh, ok, that's random. I'm guessing you must be joking.
I would imagine a single guy who loves and takes care of living animals must be attractive to women.
I just realized something terrible.
Joel Przybilla has a really good chance of being a Celtic if he gets bought out.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM PST reply actions
I think Joel will have a number of offers in the next 30 days if he bought out.
I am not as optimistic that he will return to PDX as others in this thread.
His family is here and he's familiar with the situation
I think that gives the Blazers an inside track.
Joel isn't interested in playing for other teams
if you take his public statements at face value (he’d rather retire than play for another team)
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 24, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think Pryz has three options
Playing for the bobcats (doubtful)
Boughtout and back to PDX (doubtful)
Retires (most likely)
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
that's what Canzano is saying, too
he said he talked to Joel last night, Przy told him he’s been playing on one leg
his last NBA block may have been against K*be, not a bad way to go out if that’s how it all comes down
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I doubt the guy who listed Milwaukee as his 2nd choice behind PDX
on where he wanted to play next year stands much of chance of going to Beantown
Well, that guy was Przybilla himself
"I definitely wouldn’t mind playing for the Bucks," Przybilla said. "My first preference would be to stay in Portland; I have to see what their plans are for me.
"But my second choice would be Milwaukee. I wouldn’t mind playing there at all."
Wasn't it Pryz's wife who wanted to be in Portland?
I assume she’ll pull for him to come back here. He won’t play in CHA, so he just has to chill out at home for 30 days, then tack on another $500K on top of this year’s salary. Not a bad deal.
by Pooh Richardson on Feb 24, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Does Miami have space or ability to sign him?
I can’t see Pryz anywhere but here, but the call of a contender can be tough to hang up on.
And if he is cut
Is it only Portland that has to wait 30 days, or does everyone?
I feel Pryz would do something REALLY bad if he was a Celtic
He really hates Garnett
1952-2010 R.I.P
So REALLY bad it's REALLY good, you mean?
Assuming you don’t care about KG’s well-being, that it.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 24, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone hates Garnett until they play with him.
Enemies joining forces has happened like a billion times in the NBA.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
And in comic books.
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Anyone else not that excited this trade?
I don’t think it’s bad at all talent wise. But our roster is already stack at the 3 position. We lose both our backup centers. Camby is the only “healthy” center left on the roster. We create more logjams and an unbalanced roster.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I'm very excited
1-Miller 2-Wes 3-Batum 4-Wallace 5-LMA that line up is a match up nightmare
I'm excited in the sense
that we get another Wesley (high energy, go getter) type player. I also like how he’s built like a freakin’ football player. I do think you’re right though, we are waaay shorthanded at center position. I just hope those two extra roster spots can be filled by at least one decent big man here very shortly.
by blazerbeliever on Feb 24, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
What's Oden's timeline?
LaMarshmallow - Distant Memory.
I think Joel will be back in 30 days
until then grab Johnson for another 10 day contract then get the next best d-league big for 2 consecutive 10 day contracts.
Its not about the position
Its about the talent. It makes the team more talented overall.
I like that we finanly have a SF who can post people up.
You can’t hide smaller point guards against us anymore.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Let's say we sign Chis Johnson (or whoever)
That easily is an improvement over Sean Marks.
mental picture
gross! but, yeah. i’ll get searching for that. ebay?
Not obsessed with a championship. Just love watching basketball.
by ericbenjamin on Feb 24, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
So when are these expected buyouts and waved players supposed to happen?
Charlotte has to cut like 3 players to make their trades work, so does that happen today? also, when is the tj ford cut supposed to happen?
Find it odd
to listen to the 95.5 and they still don’t have the trade right. Ugh. Twitter really is a lifesaver for breaking news.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I graded a "B"
Really fine trade to save face. I didn’t vote for an “A” because:
1. injury history of “Crash”
2. Thinking the two 1st rounders makes the price sound steep (which years? conditional?). If one of these is the conditional New Orleans one, I’m in.
3. We missed out on several better players that we needed more, possibly including Aaron Brooks
Caveat to number 3: with all the drama issues re: Carmelo and Deron Williams, I would hesitate on having them enter my locker room.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
Someone posted above that one of the picks was the NO one.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Good if true
Also I would have given an “A” if
4. Augustin was included in the deal
But that may not be necessary if the other Texas guy, Ford, comes over.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
This basically is forcing the lineup to change, in a good way
Aldridge will play the 5 – C
Batum will play the 3/4 -SF/PF
Wallace will play the 4/3 – PF/SF
Wesley will play the 2 -SG
Andre will play the 1 -
The Bench is looking weak for the time being
C- Camby
PF – ? Luke Babbitt Haha
SF – Rudy
SG – Roy
PG – Mills/Armon
With the two roster spots it looks like a big man is an extreme need now.
Roy looked pretty decent last night.
I don’t think our bench will be that bad.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
he looked decent?
I disagree – he stood around most of the time
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 24, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
but he also
looked like he had legs back when he hit that step back. and whats new? roy stood around most of the time as an all star.. then isolated.
purple colored glasses
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
by thomasikehara on Feb 24, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
You could fix the bench by starting Camby at center.
Then stagger players in so Wallace slides to the 4 when Aldridge plays the 5 and bring Batum in off the bench to play the 3. That’s enough defense and good spacing for Aldridge to work in the post.
You don’t need a 10 man rotation.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
camby will start when he comes back
so then somebody will have to come off the bench (batum) and then our bench will look pretty dang sharp
you have brandon roy
on your bench. camby.. and experienced Vet. and rudy fernandez scoring machine. and our bench is weak? idk.. Roy .. 6th man of the second half of the season?
wow
the fact that you sound excited about our all-star and franchise player being a good 6th man shows where we are
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 24, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
When you get the chance to add basically an all star that cheaply you do it 10 times out of 10
use the roster spots on some bigs for added depth. I don’t know if this trade is better than the Camby trade, but it’s certainly a good one.
Wallace and Batum can rotate playing the 4 in small ball lineups. I’m kinda curious what will happen when Camby returns. Can the team really start Crash at the 3 due to his lack of an outside shot?
#52
I think this year he's hitting the corner three about the same as Batum.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, Nic is having a down year shooting the 3 overall
Wallace is at 33% and Batum is at 34%. So it wouldn’t be a big deal to use Wallace at the 3 when Camby is back. I really hope we’re a little more inventive then just sticking him in the corner though.
#52
Some Bobcat fans said we would be stupid to play him at the 4, but I still think it's going to happen.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 24, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
I have to assume Dre is feeling pretty good right now.
He didn’t get traded and his lob production just increased significantly.
Hot sauce in my bag.
Lots of trades around the NBA today
Suprising how much movement at the deadline.
We are also pretty high on luxury tax and look only to go higher to shore up our frontcourt with scrubs
This thread is getting kinda long too
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
Is there any indication if Wallace will be here and good to go tomorrow?
Otherwise we have a thin roster against OKC.
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One of those divisional rivals...
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should be an interesting game
It will be Denvers second game with all their new players.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I was just thinking the same thing
Hopefully we can get him on a plane today so we can get him ready to play tomorrow
depends on Charlotte's physicals, too
hopefully they’ll run through Joel, Dante and Sean tomorrow AM so Crash can play against the Nugs
otherwise Sunday for sure
really bad news I just thought of…what if Przy can’t pass the physical because of his knee…would the Bobcats void the trade, or just waive Joel and call it good?
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if we get ford and a big guy
our bench will be pretty good
fire barrett
dont trade andre (unless its for chris paul)
dont trade camby
I don't get what Boston was trying to accomplish with their trades.
Maybe Perkins knee was worse off than they led onto.
Hot sauce in my bag.
Frack
Well, it would be nice to add SOMEBODY over 6’8" to the roster before tomorrow’s game.
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Jeff Adrien
assuming he’s still in the D-league
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Norsk, are you taller than 6'10"?
If so, the Blazers want you!
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Has a first place team ever before apparently thrown out common sense about playoff ball at the trade deadline?
I can see the Marquis trade since he’s hurt.
I can see looking for sf help.
But dumping Erden too?
They must love Nenad and the O’neal ghosts for this year.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Maybe they know something about a player to be bought out and returning. Like Powe.
But it’s odd indeed. Size was their big advantage vs Miami and to some extent Orlando.
Maybe Frank still has fond memories of Nenad from the Nets
He was the one that kind of discovered him wasn’t he?
dinasour type of guys choir boys
this^
the Jazz would never deal DW to Portland, but the Nets might be persuaded
but like with CP3, Deron can’t sign an extension until July 2012, so it would be a huge risk to sell the farm to acquire him and then watch him walk away
a lot depends on the new CBA, we’ll have to reassess all this after the season
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Jason Quick a second ago.
“This teams street cred just went up, you don’t want to mess with this team”.
Hot sauce in my bag.
who plays back up center?
don’t say lamarcus.
do we have a roster spot open? call up d league center? am i way off?
by extraneous solutions on Feb 24, 2011 4:14 PM PST reply actions
2 spots since we traded 1 for 3
One is T.J. Ford if Camby and LaMarcus are successful with their collusion ;-)
I'm totally psyched to see a Mathews, Batum, Wallace, Aldridge, Camby defensive unit.
I’m not so sure about on offense.
by odenator69 on Feb 24, 2011 4:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That lineup looks solid in both defense and offense
Wallace can score and any lineup including Aldridge is BEASTLY offensively.
If Batum can become a point forward then this is deadly for maybe 5 minutes
until the opponent puts in a quick PG and Batum gets routinely torched.
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Cho said during the presser
adding Wallace enables Nate to use Nic to defend PGs
I think he’s the best option the team has, but it’s always about the team building a wall against penetration, not one-on-one
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Exactly, but even if that weren't the case
I don’t think Nic gets torched by quick PGs any more than the average quick PG
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
After checking out Wallace's Highlight videos...
Gerald has a Lebron-like ability to conduct the one man full court fast break and dunk…call me crazy…
2011 conditional pick from NO, and a 2013 conditional 1st round pick, + Joel,Dante, Marks
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 4:32 PM PST reply actions
Um...yes
just like it says in the main story
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This is updated
confirmation from the team. JQuick was just on 95.5
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I didn't realize it was news...sorry
It had been my impression for a while that this was the trade.
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Just announced by Blazers, nothing in the main story on what the picks were.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
My apologies
I retract my condescending statement and instead offer you a sheepish face of shame
:- S
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protected up to #12 in 2013, 2014, 2015
if Portland is still in the lottery during those years, something has gone seriously wrong
three of my favorite Blazers were traded for GW (Bayless, Przy and Dante) but I’m happy
So…how are you feeling about watching Andre for a couple more months?
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like that they are conditional picks
Marks means nothing, Dante isnt much and neither is joel.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I'm glad it's a 2013 pick and conditional, and not a 2012 pick
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Joel was a wonderful Blazer who resigned with the team when they needed him. He will be well remembered in PDX.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Przy might go down as the best FA signing in team history
Especially considering what Cho was able to get for him, today
of course, Andre Miller and Wesley Matthews were pretty good FA signings, as well. This franchise has done well recently in that area, after striking out on Hassell, etc
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Definitely expecting
“GER-ALD WALLACE!” clap-clap clap-clap-clap chants reminicent of Camby chants late last season.
by Eddie. on Feb 24, 2011 4:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
"GER-ALD WALLACE!" crash-crash crash-crash-crash
by ozqb3 on Feb 24, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the sound of backboards breaking, not skulls or knees
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Not sure if this (or similar link) has been posted, but...
here’s some info and highlights of Wallace. Dude definitely plays with his turbocharger always switched on, but let’s hope his health holds up.
I like having him and Wes on the same team
There’s a lot of hustle and heart between the two of those
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why did you post that? that is terrible!
why dont you post Greg getting injured while you are at it.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
go to
4:13 on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV9rlFNjHys to watch crash own our least favorite player :)
You know who we have a roster spot open for now?
Jeff Pendergraph
First quote in official press release is from GM/Owner Paul Allen.
"I want to welcome Gerald to the Trail Blazers," said Trail Blazers Owner Paul Allen. "He is just the sort of talent we were looking for. I’m sure our fans will embrace him and hopefully he can help us make some noise in the playoffs.
"I also want to thank Joel, Dante and Sean. Joel has been a warrior for this franchise over the past six and 1/2 seasons and Dante has played an important role in the success this team has had this season."
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 4:45 PM PST reply actions
http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/ArticleDisplay/tabid/297/ItemID/2324/Default.aspx
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
he will wear number 3
http://twitter.com/#!/oppenodom
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Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
Is it too late to say I called it?
to be honest, I would have tried to make it Babbitt and one 1st rounder instead of Marks and two 1st rounders – but including Cunningham seemed a necessary move.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Apparently the Cats will waive Marks...
…so I guess Portland can always grab him again. I wouldn’t bank on that, though.
30 days
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 24, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I like it!
Even though I hate to lose Cunningham and his fire and potential. Joel and Sean are quality folks but expendable at this point in their basketball careers and health status. But you don’t get an all-star for free in this league. I sure hope Oden comes back healthy! That would put us in contention for sure.
it's funny
after last night’s game, I was excited about Joel’s rejuvenated play. I shoulda known then he was a goner…
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 24, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
I felt the same. He was looking much better last night. Will miss you Joel.
Being 'over the hill' is much better than being under it!
Yeah, I wondered if Joel felt like it was his last Blazer game and just put up with a little more pain.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 24, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
if last night was Joel's last game
going out with a block on K8be, something he can tell his grandkids
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Seriously
Anybody who graded this anything less than a ‘B’ has rocks in there head!
LaMarcus Aldridge's "All-Star Snub Tour" comming to a city near you.
Not gonna lie
Gerald Wallace for the last 3 years has been my favorite player outside of the Blazers.. SOOO stoked.. He always leads the league in Blocks Against.. WHICH in my opinion is awesome.. That means he goes to the hole….
I gotta believe that Wallace is stoked about joining the Blazers at this point.
And that is going to energize his play. Combined with, well, what this whole team is doing lately, and Camby back, really exciting.
Certainly looking forward to seeing the Blazers new look in action.
The fact Pryz & T.J. Ford will probably join us within a week.....priceless
"I figured we ought to hang around for a while and see if we can give 'em all a nice big shitburger to eat!" -Manager Lou Brown -Major League
Pryz would have to wait 30 days.
not sure they have any intention of buying him out though.
Cho made it seem like they wanted him.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I know I thought this before.. and think I posted it, but... I think I may now believe it...
It was mostly in jest… then.. But… Cho said they were going to use Wesley as the guide for how we collect players… Remember? Well, they certainly delivered in GW…
But I also wonder if they really are starting to believe that this particular team doesn’t need to collect first round draft picks. One reason could be that we seemingly can always find an owner who will trade their pick for a few mil… which is fine by PA… Another one, (previously said in jest, now maybe not so much) (The Wesley Factor) what if they plan to just draft the most snubbed, hungry, defense first guy who wasn’t drafted!
Thinking about that got me wondering: maybe Born and the rest of the scouts have uncovered SO MANY New Wesleys in college, that are NOT on the national radar for the draft, that they figure they just don’t need the picks as much anymore!
Random unrelated thoughts
1) Cho’s voice sounded like it was gone, like he had done something like,I dunno, use it non-stop 18+ hours a day for a few weeks?
2) We got the most talented player. (And it’s not even close) History has shown, in a star driven lead, that’s a winning strategy.
3) We got better defensively and offensively…
- I like the defensive unit we can put on the floor: Camby, G-Dub, Wes, Batum, and AJ.
- I like the fast break unit we can put out there: LMA, G-Dub, (Wes, Batum, Rudy, pick 2), and Dre…
- I like our starting lineup: LMA, G-Dub, Batum, Wes, and Dre…
- Or: Camby, LMA, G-Dub, Wes, Dre…. Lotsa options…
- This could be a good half court unit: Camby (up high), LMA (post), G-Dub (slash), Rudy (round picks), Roy doing his thing up top…
4) Our playoff rotation 8 to me is looking pretty set, barring… change… at:
- Bigs: LMA, G-Dub, Camby
- Wings: Wes, Batum, Rudy
- PGs: Miller, Roy
With our soon to be acquired big man, Patty, and AJ in spot situational duty…
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