Trades I would do right now.
The key word here is "possible", in that these are trades that I could actually see happening before the deadline as certain teams realize they won't make the playoffs and would instead prefer to set themselves up salary-wise for the future. Therefore most of these trades have us taking on salary in the long term in order to fill immediate needs. And since I don't see us being successful if we trade Miller at this point, most of these trades have us dealing Joel to teams looking to reduce their cap numbers in the immediate future and beyond. Lastly, these aren't the "big name" trades that you may have seen elsewhere. We aren't getting back any stars because let's be honest, the only way this team will reach a contender status at this point is a healthy Roy and Oden, and no trade will fix that. See the trades after the jump. As always, interested in your feedback.
2. Joel P. to Detroit for Ben Wallace + Jason Maxiell. (Rationale: Again, Detroit gets out of the remaining years for both players, one more for Wallace and several for Maxiell. Again, Maxiell provides some PF pop off the bench that this team has sorely needed. Wallace still rebounds and defends, at least better than Joel at this point. This is probably my least favorite proposal.)
3. Joel P. to Minnesota for Darko Milicic + Luke Ridnour. (Rationale: Hear me out before you kill me. Look at Darko's stats (9 pts, 5 reb, 2.3 blk in 24 min) and he is absolutely worth 4mil+ per year at the center position, and provides what we need most which is a big defensive presence. What's more (which is why most people knock him), like Camby he won't clog the middle so Aldridge can continue to produce in the post. Ridnour isn't the best PG in the world, but he is proven and he can shoot. Minny likely won't want to pay him if they can bring Rubio over, and if Miller suddenly gets old Ridnour can fill in while we look for a long-term starter. In any case he's a better backup at this point than Mills. Scoff if you will, I actually really like this trade for the needs it fills for our team long-term.)
4. Joel P. + Miller + picks to Philly for Elton Brand + Jrue Holiday. (Rationale: This is probably the least likely to happen because I'm sure Philly wants to hold onto Holiday, but if I'm Cho I at least gauge their interest. This would be a pure salary dump for Philly. They made a horrible mistake paying Brand all that money, and their team is financially strapped for several more years while he hangs around. If they want a new start, it'll cost them a young player like Holiday. Otherwise they're stuck with early playoff exits and middling draft picks (and therefore no real improvement) for the foreseeable future. Fact is, Brand can still do what our team needs the most, which is rebound and score down low. Furthermore, the biggest reason he hasn't played well in Philly is a mismatched style. They like to run out there, and he likes to play slow and steady. Enter the slowest paced team in the league and could be a match made in heaven. Probably the longest shot of these proposals with Philly in the playoffs for now, but also probably the biggest payoff in the future for our team as it nabs its mythical PGOTF.)
5. Joel P. + picks + cash to Phoenix for either Robin Lopez + Hakim Warrick/Jared Dudley OR Marcin Gortat + Dudley. (Rationale: We all know the Phoenix owner is the biggest penny pincher in the league. They made some horrible deals last offseason and will want out of some of them real fast. To boot, the absolutely lucked into Gortat as he is currently playing very well for them. I doubt they'd give him up, but I also doubt they'll want to pay 2 centers big money going forward, especially when like to go small anyway (and Frye plays lots of C for them too). Long of the short is we steal Lopez or Gortat in exchange for helping them out of a bad contract and also giving them some future picks (I'd give up more than one first rounder as long as they were spaced out). Either one would be a huge boon for our perenially injured C position going forward, and Dudley/Warrick would both provide solid PF minutes off the bench (Dudley can go SF too). Cash once again entices the Suns owner into making a deal. This is another trade that would pay off nicely down the road, but we have to eat some salary to do it.)
Okay, let me have it. These aren't the typically proposals you see thrown around here. I'm not bringing back Danny Granger or the like, but I think all of these trades improve our team in the short term and potentially the long term as well (except for maybe the Detroit trade, but that's my least favorite anyway). What do you think?
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I think the other teams' say no to all of these
without even thinking about it. honestly, a couple of them are laughable.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
no way would the Suns go for this
they’d just be giving up young talent for cap space and crappy picks. No reason for them to go for it unless they are in total dump mode.
by hoodieNation on Feb 13, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
In other words ...
they’d be doing exactly what they’ve done for the last few years?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
I think a lot of his expiring deal
which could save certain teams tons of money.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
quit rippin
and give some feedback. I think a couple of these are totally plausible, most of all #2. it’s a known fact that Detroit needs to cut their payroll…. honestly, if you’re going to comment, make an effort, like the OP did.
in a nutshell
the OP is vastly overrating Joel’s current ability and trade value.
- is the only one that is even remotely appealing to the other team. Maybe the Phoenix deal has something there, but not for Gortat unfortunately.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
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I meant number 2 – the detroit deal
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
with the upcoming CBA talks
I don’t think expiring contracts have the same value they did in years past
I thought the opposite.
With likely lower salary car or simply too much unknown going forward, some teams will desperately want to shed salaries, especially those who don’t project to make the playoffs and who have players who don’t serve a long-term purpose. Hence this post. But if my logic is wrong, then yes, I am surely overvaluing Joel’s contract.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
My thoughts:
1. I think that Houston would do that if we tossed in our 2nd round pick and 2-3 million. I think they’d rather send Hill our way, because he seems to be more of a 10th man with no real potential, while Patterson is a rookie who is on a smaller pay scale. This deal makes Portland better.
2. Unless Detroit has some desire to hang on to Ben for sentimental reasons, they do this deal. Joel, Monroe, Vill, Wilcox and Jerebko can do the big thing. Maybe we send Sean Marks to give them another warm body. This deal makes Portland better.
3. I think Minnesota would ask for more. Darko is a valuable player and Ridinour is about as average of a point guard as you can get. He can start for terrible teams and would be a GREAT backup for contenders. I think you might have to send Rudy their way, at which point, I have to think about it. As you have it, this deal makes Portland better, but Minny wouldn’t go for it.
4. Is it fiscally responsible to strap yourselves with 4 multi-year 12+ million dollar contracts entering into a new CBA? No. Not at all, especially when Elton Brand has consistently been one of the worst contracts in the game and you have the potential replacement contract on roster. Talent wise, the Blazers win, and they get their 1, but this trade handicaps the Blazers for years. Besides, I don’t think Philedelphia gives up Jru to dump Brand.
5. I honestly don’t think Phoenix trades Gortat. Lopez they would, but he isn’t worth taking on Warrick.
Agree with almost all points, especially the Philly argument.
However, I think you underestimate Kahn’s level of crazy. He seems to shoot from the hip. He may ask for Rudy, but I bet we could strong-arm him into a deal with cash or a 2nd rounder, but not both. But good points all around.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Kahn loves him some Darko
thats the problem there. i like that deal best of the choices.
Kahn got butchered in the offseason for saying he thinks Darko can be the next Kevin McHale…thats how strongly he feels about the big guy. No way they trade him. hes young, relatively cheap, and a big body that doesnt hinder your offense.
plus Ridnour would be an excellent backup pg. Hes even been very serviceable as a starter this year.
This is excellent commentary
To match the excellent original post.
Phoenix is the only one that is absolutely implausible- Dudley wouldn’t be in a salary dump, and they’re high on both Cs.
Khan is all kinds of nuts, but I think his machismo is connected to Darko to too high a degree for him to give up now. Contenders can and would offer more Kahn-ish assets than Joel. I’d do the deal with Rudy included, but Kahn must realize Rudy would be leaving just as Rubio is coming in, and Rudy can poison that well any time he chooses.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 14, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Phoenix might do: Lopez and Pietrus for Prysbilla and Fernandez. . . Would Portland?
1. I think you trade expiring contracts to get younger, or better. Prysbilla is younger than Miller and although they are very different centers, Miller is not better. Also, Prysbilla would come back for the same money, or less. I suspect Houston would want at least a first round pick added to the deal to give up a young PF prospect and that’s too much for Portland to give up just to add depth at that position.
2. Wallace is not better than Prysbilla. Detroit would want picks or young players added for Maxiell. No one Portland would be willing give up fits in Detroit and I would not give up a #1 for Maxiell.
3. Minnesota would not make this trade. Milicic is younger and more talented so why add Ridnour? Besides Minnesota is below the cap and no looking to cut salary. Minnesota wants to add talent.
4. Miller back to Philly? I don’t think Philly is so desperate to unload Brand that they would throw in their PGOF.
5.Gortat and Dudley play a lot of minutes for Phoenix and are productive players. Both probably start for them next year. They are very thin at PF so I don’t see them trading Warrick without gettin a PF in return. (I don’t want him anyway. He’s not much better than Cunningham and a lot more expensive).
On the other hand, Lopez is not playing much behind Gortat and Pietrus is not playing much behind Hill and Dudley. Both have two years left on their contracts (Lopez will be a restricted FA), so Lopez and Pietrus for Prysbilla saves Phoenix money next year and gives Portland a young back-up center who could start one day if Oden never comes back. Pietrus doesn’t come for free however and he has to be part of the deal for the salaries to match. Make it Prysbilla and Fernandez (he would be a big hit in Phoenix and a perfect fit for their offense) and Phoenix does the deal IMO. Not a huge upgrade for Portland, but if Roy can play at all, Fernandez sits more than he plays . . . might as well get Lopez back for him. Pietrus is not bad either.
Nice twist on the PHX option.
Added bonus in that Pietrus may have some chemistry with Batum from the French team. I’d balk at throwing in Fernandez at this point. He’s happy and playing well. I think PHX would still bite at something to get out of a bad contract, though Pietrus may not be the one since they have several others with many more years left.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
You're severly overrating Pryzbilla.
Joel has been “bad” at best and sometimes looks like Sean Marks in disguise. Miller, Wallace, Darko, Gortat, Lopez – all better than Pryzbilla now and, unless Joel finds a way to get his vertical leap back, going forward.
1. Houston would give Jordan Hill away to get rid of Miller. They’d save like 7 million next year, plus the cash Portland sends. Jordan Hill is fairly awful.
2. Jason Maxiell is not good at basketball. He’s 27-28 and averages 4/2.5 in 16 minutes (8.25/5.1 ish per 36) making FIVE MILLION dollars per year. They’d have to throw in a draft pick to get us to take him.
3. Agree.
4. Mostly agree.
5. No comment.
Miller and Wallace are washed up.
Prysbilla is just injured and getting better.
by chemistrymajor on Feb 13, 2011 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
I would add re: Minnesota
If they are not looking to cut salary then they are crazy. With 41mil slated for next year in actual commitments, they should be looking to shed salary any way possible to make a run at some free agents such as Marc Gasol or Nene, who will likely require near max deals to pry them away from their current teams. Minnesota does not get better without doing so. Darko and Ridnour do not strike me as such awesome talents that they would rather hold onto them than try for bigger fish (which begs the question of why would we want them, but we want them as backups, not as starters).
And re: Ridnour, the point I made above is that IF they get Rubio over, they will not want to pay him, Ridnour, AND Flynn, so someone’s gotta go. If we’re bargaining, I’ll take Ridnour.
Lastly, Kahn is a terrible GM. I think he could be pushed into a deal just such as this.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Not crazy. Cap space has little value to Minnesota.
It makes sense for some teams, like Phoenix, to cut salary because free agents want to go there. Other teams, like Minnesota, have no hope of competing for a significant free agent. Those teams have to improve by the draft or by trade. Even Kahn knows cap space won’t get him a meaningful free agent. Minnesota will not make a trade without getting equal or better talent in return.
by chemistrymajor on Feb 13, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Last year ...
Kahn traded for Q-rich, then traded him to Orlando for Mark Blount, then bought him out.
After than, Kahn just gave away Al Jefferson to Utah for a couple picks. Not even good ones.
I would argue that Minnesota has a long history, and even more-so since Kahn has arrived, of making trades without getting equal or better talent in return.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
All say no.
Every trade involves atleast 1 big coming back.
Houston, phx are still in the playoff hunt now that Utah may tank and Denver is too if theyteade melo.
In fact Houston would like melo as a rent a player to get them intothe playoffs.
by Hoi on Feb 13, 2011 11:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
the biggest problem with the rationale...
…is, Toronto and Cleveland have exceptions for 14 million and they can’t find anyone to take them. Houston had a very large exception for Yao (as did Port for Oden) and no one would take them for a player. So why would someone now dump a player for JP? Right now he is really, really bad. I just don’t see it. I wish you were right and there was value, but I think Rich Cho is finding out there really isn’t much out there.
Right now, my guess it the Miller contract, if reported correctly by Canzano, can be traded at the draft in a move up scenario, with the acquiring team still able to waive him. If that is true, that is when the next major deal will (could) happen.
Obviously the poster puts significant value on Przybilla's contract
This premise can be argued. Even the league’s GMs would differ in how much they value this contract (and Joel’s ability). Assuming you find a GM who agrees with the poster these trades may be viable. To simply state, “you place too much value” or “Kahn would never do this” is a lazy way to respond to these trade scenarios.
I like the way the poster thinks and hope that these sort of deals are doable. The Blazers really do need more size to matchup with the Lakers/Celtics and since all of these trades include centers and/or power forwards, I like them.
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