REPORTS: BLAZERS GUARD BRANDON ROY TO ANNOUNCE MEDICAL RETIREMENT
by Ben Golliver on Dec 9, 2011 8:05 AM PST
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Here's audio of a radio hit with Chad Doing of 750 The Game at the top of the 9 a.m. hour regarding these reports.
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Chris Broussard of ESPN.com reports that Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy may announce his medical retirement on Friday, the day that NBA training camp was set to open.
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Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy is planning to announce his retirement due to degenerative knees, perhaps as soon as Friday, sources with knowledge of Roy's decision have told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard and ESPN.com's Chad Ford.
Sources say Roy has privately conceded his ongoing knee trouble would have inevitably led to a reduced role, and given his close connection with the Portland community the former All-Star does not want to end up being released through the forthcoming amnesty clause and thus eligible to be picked up by another team.
Roy's retirement would eventually give the Blazers salary-cap relief. League rules call for a waiting period of one year from the date of the player's injury or illness. Since Roy played all the way into the playoffs last season, that date will likely be April 28, 2012 -- one year from the day the Blazers were eliminated from the playoffs.
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Update: Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports confirms the report...
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Portland's Brandon Roy has been diagnosed with a "career-ending (knee) injury," league source confirms to Y! Sports. "He's done."
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Update: Joe Freeman of The Oregonian confirms the report...
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Update: Jay Allen of 750 AM The Game reports...
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Brandon Roy contacted union official two weeks ago to ask retirement-related questions. He'll likely announce his decision in next few days. Under league provisions, Roy will get paid the term of his contract and his salary will come off Blazers cap after one full season away.
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The Blazers have not immediately responded to a request for comment on Friday morning. Training camp is scheduled to begin at noon with a media access period at 2:30 p.m. Free agency will begin at 11 a.m.
This post will update throughout the day. Click through for some reactions around the league.
Thanks to pklym in the FanShots for getting their first. Thanks also to kajuayn in the FanPosts.
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B Roy the league just lost a legend. I Was looking forward to watching for another 10 years. You will be missed, I'm calling a comeback 2014
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Miami Heat All-Star forward LeBron James writes on Twitter...
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Please say it ain't so. Brandon Roy retiring. Losing one of the best 2 guards in the league before he's ready to go. So unfortunate man! SMH
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Oklahoma City Thunder All-Star forward Kevin Durant writes on Twitter...
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A sad day indeed
At least I can say I saw the last act of greatness performed by B-Roy. Gonna miss him, one of my favorite all time players.
by hellablazed on Dec 9, 2011 8:07 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
Yep, Agreed
I was at that game too…That was, without a doubt, one of the greatest things to witness.
I almost didn't go to that game,
but i’m sooo sooo glad I did. My absolute favorite sports moment that I have witnessed in person. Not getting to see a full career for Roy is incredibly sad. He’s one of those few players that make you expect the impossible.
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by Geoff Z Ziemer on Dec 9, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
He is thinking of his future. Smart move.
Thanks for the memories, it was a fun ride while it lasted…
Fan of Portland Trail Blazers, Denver Broncos, and Portland Timbers
We already missed the old Brandon
But now it’s too real. What a sad day for Rip City.
by ScottyDawg34 on Dec 9, 2011 8:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Wow. Totally sad...
So, what does this mean to our team’s financial scene? Does his salary come off our books if medically retiring, aka more options?
Gonna miss ya this is true, B.Roy. You’re an awesome player, regardless.
GO BLAZURRRRS!
comes of after a year I believe
unless he comes back and plays 10 games like Miles
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by PortlandOrange on Dec 9, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
Marty is calling a comeback in 2014 so we'll see
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
Also thanks to kajuayn for creating the FanPost
by Storyteller on Dec 9, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Off topic Storyteller, but do we get under tax (and qualify for Max MLE)
If we waive Earl Barron’s non-guaranteed deal from books?
by Royal_Coachman on Dec 9, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
Wonder if Blazers management would be open to bigger multi-year offer for Oden
with amnesty still available, that also pays less than QO this yr, allows us to use Max MLE (on Landry?) this yr.
by Royal_Coachman on Dec 9, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
"determined"? based on what?
I’ve only seen vague statements to that effect, which could indicate nothing more than a desire to stay with the Blazers, and maybe a negotiating tactic that he didn’t like whatever multi-year offer he has seen so far.
Amnesty couldn't be used on Oden
I’m pretty sure It only applies to guys with contracts predating the new CBA.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
That's my understanding too
Funny enough, it’s possible the Blazers might not use the Amnesty clause at all.
So shocking.
I don’t think the front office knew about this at all, cuz they would have amnestied if so. Crazy this has come out in such a short period of time.
Technically, kajauayn got there first in the fanposts. Not that this is totally important, but credit where it’s due.
We’ll miss you #7.
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there would be no need to amnesty him
with medical retirement, his salary comes off the cap, right?
Holding out for Devyn
See below
If the doctors rule that he is medically unable to apply, Portland can apply for cap relief after 1 year has passed since he last played.
Not until
a year from his last game. With retirement, we still don’t get the full MLE, still above the cap. I wonder if we are still able to amnesty this years salary?
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Buuuh also I meant above the tax
We’d still be above the cap no matter what
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Why would they amnesty him if he's retiring?
I think they absolutely knew this was happening. Now they save the potential for amnesty until next year, right?
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
Storyteller is working
but not on that, unfortunately. I’ll only be able to pop in for a few seconds throughout the day…..
I'm highly disappointed that you're not at our beck and call, taking requests at all times.
But seriously, good luck on your regular work. :)
by Timmay! on Dec 9, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Ben and Dave aren't even on the BE payroll
Those stupid Jordan ads that slow down the site go to pay for idiots like Tom Ziller.
I take that back: Ziller is not an idiot. But his writing has sucked the past few months.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
'idiots like tom ziller"
dude is one of the better nba columnists i’ve read imo….
doesn’t insult people endlessly like bill simmons but is still informed and entertaining. plus he likes the blazers.
plus he writes like five huge articles a day. he is a boss
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know."
Shaq
by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on Dec 9, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
the idea would be to free up money for this year
by amnestying him then they could potentially use the full MLE… or thats the thought process, but I really have no idea how those rules work. Guess we will have to wait and see
But the Blazers have the amnesty option,
and they can use it any year of the new CBA before the season starts. By Roy medically retiring, the Blazers keep the amnesty option that they have to potentially use on someone else.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
But whose currently on the roster that you would use it on in the future?
Camby’s in the last year of his deal. and nobody else really will be here long enough or a reason to use it. By using it on roy (assuming it frees up the MLE) would allow you to go after a landry type player
I'm not sure there are other contracts that it would make sense for us to use it on
LMA’s on a good deal. Wes is too. Nic will have a new deal. Camby’s is expiring. Wallace’s is coming up. It seems that amnestying Roy and then allowing him to retire would not only offer us immediate flexibility, but may protect us down the road if he has a change of heart and tries to comeback. Maybe I’m way off on the second point, not sure.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
you never know
there really isn’t anything to gain by using it on Roy. What if LA or Wesley or Crash go down with a big injury? it’s a nice chip to have in your pocket, even if it’s doubtful you use it.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
you gain the full MLE and potentially protection against responsibility if he does return
Crash has this season and an option for next. Wes isn’t that expensive to begin with. I agree it’s a nice thing to have in the holster, I’m just not convinced that it still doesn’t make the most sense to use it on Roy.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
of course your point directly below this is pretty powerful
and I hadn’t read it prior to posting the above comment, so perhaps you are correct
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I don't want to see
another RLEC situation, where it’s like we have this nice chip, but never end up benefiting from it. Just because it COULD be of use in a catastrophic situation, it WILL be of use if we can get the full MLE this year.
Although there’s also just the idea that we could get some sort of difference-maker with merely the MLE. Might not be anyone out there that would be worth giving up that insurance money… That’s why we have a competent GM though, so they can make those hard decisions.
Wait, what’s that you say?
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Bear in mind...
Roy’s medical retirement means insurance will cover something like 85% of the salary. Do you think Paul Allen would rather pay 15% of Roy’s salary for the next four years but only have a mini mid-level this year, or pay 100% of his salary and have the full mid-level? I know, nobody seems to care about Paul Allen’s money, but I think this is a pretty valid point.
by Rodney Gustafson on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
not to mention
with retirement, insurance will pick up the bulk of his contract.
with amnesty, Blazers have to.
That’s a BIG difference.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I thought they can automatically remove Roy from the cap one year after
he last played…the end of THIS year?
With the independent doctor agreeing of course…
Difference here is
that retirement saves cash, but not tax money. Amnesty option makes it easier to sign someone with full MLE this year, and this is a necessity now that Roy’s gone. Our bench just got a lot thinner.
I’m wondering if there’s a possibility to have Roy retire, but use amnesty on this years contract to get below the tax line… amnesty’s so new and this situation so unique that there is likely not an overt addressing of it in the CBA.
Also, there’s the idea that there’s no one else worthy of using amnesty on.
Way I see it, if it comes down to using amnesty over the retirement benefits, PA can afford to pay the salary, but might not be able to afford the huge hole in the roster and the losses that will pile up as a result of not having the flexibility to sign a new player.
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That PA can afford to amnesty Roy doesn't mean he should
Even from a competitive standpoint, it may be better to save cap space for next year than to overpay a mediocre guy with the full MLE this year. Also, we’ll have the mini-MLE, probably a disabled player exemption, and vet minimums with which to fill out the roster.
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Pretty sure
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because theres nobody else to amnesty
Everybody else has either a small contract, a short contract or a reasonable contract. If the amnesty takes effect immediately then they should do it. Unless that voids the insurance.
by King Mar on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He is thinking of the Blazers before he thinks of himself as always.
Because of this, now Portland can keep the Amnesty and get Brandon’s contract off the books. They can retire Roy’s jersey as well as give him all the accolades he has earned over his career.
Gentlemen, we just lost a legendary player. One of my favorites of all time. Thank you for everything Brandon.
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 8:14 AM PST reply actions 16 recs
Only contract that might makes sense is Camby and that only makes sense if it allows team to add a significant player. Getting under the cap is a side benefit but feels like we’re pretty thin at Center already.
by 52therim on Dec 9, 2011 9:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
which the same can be said for all of the other Blazers
who the team might think about using the Amnessty on.
The team looks to have a lot of cap space next year with only 5 players under contract. They will have enough room to sign a max contract if they can convince someone to come. Or and experienced role player or two. Who knows, but this is good news for the team.
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they could conceivably clear close to 2 max deals
and next year is a good FA class. Not saying they could or even should go after two max players – even one would be a stretch to get. But let’s say the LA/Felton/Batum/Matthews core looks pretty solid and/or Greg even, maybe it’s a situation where one of these FA takes a look and says “hey, that’s not a bad team to join, they’ve got some players”.
Worse case, you become a potential trade partner for teams needing to shed salary as part of 3-team deals, etc, allowing you to pick up quality players at the next tier.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
To clear room to sign 2 max players
the team would have to renounce Felton for sure, and Batum would have to sign a pretty small extension. But ya it is possible.
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My thought is, if they DON'T amnesty Roy...
Maybe they can take a bigger chance on an extended contract on Greg, and use THAT as the amnesty… again,by what date does a player have to be signed in order to be a contract that can be amnestied…
How about existing contracts from another team
if the Bazers trade in some fat contract for possibly just a year then amnesty it after this season ??
Wake me when the game is on.
man, beat me again
i gotta up my reflexes
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Extensions to contracts that were on your books prior to July 1st, 2011 count though, right?
So Nic, Crash, and Felton, if they are extended before their deals expire?
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I believe the answer to that is no.
Just existing contracts. Otherwise they could sign Greg long term and use amnesty later.
It's not the same circumstances, though
An extension extends an existing contract. Oden doesn’t have a contract and would be signing a new one. You see what I mean?
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
i highly doubt extensions are eligible
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
But so far, no one has given a definitive explanation of how the amnesty rules don't apply
In principle, from what we know for certain, it would technically work, Unless there is a clause in the final CBA that explicitly forbids it.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Why would we retire his number
I mean I’m a huge Roy fan, but the guy didn’t even win a playoff series. If there is ever a blazers hall of fame he deserves a spot in it, but I don’t know why they would put his number in the rafters.
It's because of what he means to the city not what he accomplished as a player
Drexler never won us a title either but we retired his number and hail him as one of the greatest Blazers ever because of what he did for the franchise and the city.
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing
that jersey magically disappear.
maybe, but the precedent has been set
it would be unfair to go against it for one player if we’ve been going by it until now.
These discussions are so hard to have on the day of retirement
It’s why it’s ok to revisit this in 5 years with a little more historical perspective. Sounds like Brandon’s staying connected to the team, so there’s no immediacy.
The funny thing is...
if all this happens, I have more respect for Brandon Roy than ever before. Loyalty all the way around- to his team, his city, of course, but far more importantly, to his family. Him running himself into the ground to the point of lifelong physical ailments is just not worth it.
You are always a Blazer B-Roy and we hope you are always around this franchise! You’re the best!
by The Graduate on Dec 9, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions 35 recs
I have to agree with you...
If true, my respect for Roy just took a giant leap. What organizxational position can the Blazers offer BRoy immediately. Very sad news for anyone to be cut down in their prime due to injury. Ask the 1000’s of vets of this country.
Ugly women are like men.......you're going to have to work!
I'm happy for Roy
Short term I’m sure it’s going to be rough for him. But December 26th when he is at home with his family and playing with his kids… I’m sure he’ll feel better. He and his family are set for life, and he can still play with his kids and watch them grow up. I know he’s a warrior and wants to be on the court, but I’m sure he is a hell of a dad as well.
I don't know that I have MORE respect for Brandon,
I’m just not surprised. This is the kind of guy he is.
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Well said..
In his short career here Brandon managed to help return our team to respectability and cement himself as one of the greatest blazers ever. I’m heartbroken to see it end this way, but B. Roy has a lot to be proud of. Classy kid and a wonderful talent.
We love you Brandon Roy, Portland loves you, Seattle loves you, you are the greatest player from the Northwest EVER. Period.
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I had this in the other post but will put it here as well
The previous CBA’s rule was this regarding players who with "Long Term Injuries"
Any player who suffers a career-ending injury or illness, and whose contract is terminated by the Team in accordance with the NBA waiver procedure, will be excluded from his Team’s Team Salary as follows:
(1) Beginning on the first anniversary of the injury or illness, the Team may apply to the NBA to have the player’s Salary for each remaining Salary Cap Year covered by the Contract excluded from Team Salary.
(2) The determination of whether a player has suffered a career-ending injury or illness shall be made by a physician selected jointly by the NBA and the Players Association.
(3) Notwithstanding Section 4(h)(1) and (2) above, the career-ending injury or illness of a player who plays in more than ten (10) games in any Season shall not be deemed to have occurred prior to the last game in which the player played in such Season.
It would appear that if Brandon truly retires, the Blazers have to wait to apply for cap relief until a year has passed since he last played (late April). This would mean that his salary wouldn’t come off of this year’s cap for tax purposes but that if relief was granted by the league, the last 3 years of his deal would come off the books (just as if they had amnestied him next summer).
You mean this year?
There would be no reason to use it next year. But, yes, as I understand the rules (again, the rules themselves haven’t been made public, just a summary) Portland could waive Brandon under amnesty and then Brandon could retire.
So, technically, they wouldn’t use it ‘after’ he retired, but it’s the same thing.
yeah, that'd probably be best
in case we want to go after someone or he decided to try and come back like miles.
so, could it be beneficial to amnesty him now, if
(1) removing his salary from this year’s cap and tax calculations allows us to obtain a better player than we otherwise would, and
(2) there’s no other player we would want to amnesty?
by williamswonder on Dec 9, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
And if there's a player worth paying more than the mini mid available.
I’d rather they didn’t burn the cap space this year anyway, there’s not much out there. But next summer. Holy cow, they gonna have a ton of room and prime free agents available.
that's the rub
I don’t believe any FA this year is worth giving up the potential of having a large amount of cap space next year, which is what this retirement guarantees the Blazers.
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Calling that a mess is something I don't get...
What we saw in Portland the last 5 years was far from a mess. Bad luck for sure because if Roy and Oden had stayed healthy, the sky was the limit.
Now, let the rebuilding begin. Without a GM, who knows what going to happen.
Taking a risk on the best guy in the draft (Roy) at 7 isn't a bad move
Sure, there were good guys behind him we could have had (Gay and Rondo), but they weren’t locks for greatness.
Oden over Durant may have been a different story.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Sometimes you can remind me of my wife
being all technical and stuff. Portland will have the cap space if they choose, which is same as guaranteed, since it is their choice, and not relying on players opting out of contracts. Their cap holds would be large for sure if they didn’t renounce, but that doesn’t prevent the Blazers from make a deal with say, D. Williams, as they can renounce when they sign him or any other FA.
That said, thanks for the um…clarification.
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I'm wondering... since the blazers already had insurance on Roy's contract
That they might get actually financial relief now as well as the CBA related relief later.
Joel Freeland=Stud
I don't know what to say really
Roy, in the full vigor and arrogance of his prime, was a truly great player. I’m going to pour out some liquor for him tonight and think about my own mortality.
by JPop on Dec 9, 2011 8:16 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, just heard this reported on Mad Dog radio...
must say that my mouth dropped open. So, did Roy NOT reveal this to Blazer management prior to Monday[’s press conference, or is this yet another reason not to trust anything Larry Miller says?
If this is true, does that then mean that this is actually a better outcome than would have been the case if he’d been amnestied in a year? If he actually retires soon, what can the Blazers do within the rules to replace him in the short term?
Or was Miller trying to force Roy's hand
by bluffing that Roy would see high usage if he decided to return.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 9, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
I thought of that, then I also thought that the press conference was to give him his props, and let him choose to go on his own
terms with dignity instead of being booted, if so, a class move on all sides.
Seems pretty unlikely
That would be devious to a level I’ve never seen from the Blazers. They were likely just trying to bide him time.
Sounds like Roy didn't know on Monday either
Latest report is that he was told by doctors yesterday that he needs to shut it down or risk his ability to walk in the future.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
hmm if that's true
then the FO didn’t play us.
Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life
I still think they were gently cutting Brandon some slack
He probably had a bed feeling going into the appointment but didn’t want to discuss it publicly.
True
There might have been a middle ground in all this. Roy lying to himself that he could play and the FO letting him think that for just a bit longer.
Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life
I agree
Since Brandon was asking about the rules for medical retirement two weeks ago, this was obviously a possibility they were cognizant of. And I think Miller’s comments hinted at this too, when he said they expected Roy for camp and HOPED he’d be with the team to start the season. With that said, I don’t think there’s any chance they KNEW this was coming.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
I'll believe it when it actually happens.
We’ve now heard every iteration possible in a 2 week period.
1) Roy will be amnestied.
2) Roy will be back, as good as new this year, looking for his old role back.
3) Roy will be back, willing to take a lesser role.
3) Roy will medically retire.
I just don’t want to deal with rumors anymore, they have been soooo loosely based in reality, I’m just done.
If he medically retires and it is the best decision for his quality of life going forward, I applaud him.
If this is another bogus rumor? Par for the course.
If this is another front-office concocted scheme a la Darius, this sucks.
I've thought about your last point.
If the team is concocting a scheme that’s just horrible. I wouldn’t put it past them either.. If this ends being the case, I wish Allen would sell the team..
There is zero sign this is the case.
Brandon is reported to be aware that he had to retire and is pretty emotional about it.
Sad sad day
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Portland’s Brandon Roy has been diagnosed with a “career-ending (knee) injury,” league source confirms to Y! Sports. “He’s done.”
wake me in 2012
like him or not, he's got the best sources and his intel is usually spot on.
his analysis is where he usually gets himself in trouble, not his reporting.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Woj from Yahoo says
he has been diagnosed w/ a career ending knee injury “he’s done”
Trade John Canzano
Wow, Woj is done too?
Sad day for basketball insiders!
;)
by misterblack on Dec 9, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Family
I am shocked…surprised…and sad…To be moving like an old man before he is 30 and so much life to experience with his kids he is truly putting his family and health first. He will be a coach…he is not out of the game he loves. Thank you Brandon for putting Rip back in Rip City. Namaste’
I don’t see them winning the title immediately. Nicolas Batum
AWoj tweet
Portland’s Brandon Roy has been diagnosed with a “career-ending (knee) injury,” league source confirms to Y! Sports. “He’s done.”
As for the question about insurance coverage for Brandon's salary
KP said this in his interview with Canzano a few months ago:
On the last year of Brandon’s deal, we made about… a significant portion of it non-guaranteed and we used that money, that holdback, to buy a secondary insurance policy. So Brandon’s fully insured – I wouldn’t say fully, but I would say 80 or 90 percent now, of his contract.
(I kept an audio copy of that interview and just listened to the relevant portion again)
by Storyteller on Dec 9, 2011 8:22 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
The significant portion is 25% of his last year
It would have become guaranteed had Roy appeared in 3 all-star games, won a title, or simply played 55 games the previous season.
So the team
will not be hostage to the health of Roy more.Better make it clear before the start of the season.
Brandon Roy has done a lot for this this team
I’d like to Thank him for that and thank him for doing the right thing here and not driving himself into the ground.
by YoniRap on Dec 9, 2011 8:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm confused
I can’t believe this till it happens.
smart move for Brandon
I respect him so much for retiring and thinking about his future. Its sad that such a young man has to do this but if he keeps playing he wont able to walk by the time he’s 35. Thanks Brandon for all the memories and everything you did for the Blazers.
by CincyBlazerFan7180 on Dec 9, 2011 8:30 AM PST reply actions
My question is who was lying during that presser the other day?
By that I mean Nate kept talking about Roy starting possibly. So does that mean that Roy lied to management about his knees? or was management lying about roy in the presser just to make everyone happy? Really confusing.
My exact thoughts.
I think Ben re-quoted that for that very reason. They really went out on a limb and certainly don’t look very credible if this is true.
I think they gave him his props and let him leave on his own terms. Not a bad thing.
by raoulduke on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They were protecting Brandon
That’s what you do for someone who has meant so much to the franchise
Nobody was lying
Brandon just received a new checkup yesterday. I belt he felt good, as reported on Monday, but the doctors told him playing was far too risky.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
WHAT IS GOING ON?!
Greg Oden is coming back, Brandon Roy is retiring. This is like some sort of Twilight Zone alternate dimension BS.
LBJ's Tweet
“Please say it ain’t so. Brandon Roy retiring. Losing one of the best 2 guards in the league before he’s ready to go. So unfortunate man! SMH
"
#20
It increases my respect for him a bit
It’s a small thing, but it’s classy.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
yeah, whether you like him or not he seems to be a fairly good student of the game
and tends to show fairly good respect towards other players for the most part.
cough, cough
feelin’ a little sick.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Brandon Roy
…may not be your favorite player, but he’s your favorite player’s favorite player."
- Someone who I’m too lazy to look up
by jamon51 on Dec 9, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
jason quicks twitter:
I feel duped by Brandon, his agent, Larry Miller, Nate McMillan, Santa … everyone. Why put everyone thru that charade Monday?
When did we start expecting our teams to be honest with the media?
When a team says they stand behind a coach that almost always means they don’t. Why? Because until the moment you fire a coach the public perception has to be that you are 100% with them.
Teams are even less able to be honest about career-ending injuries. There are laws that protect privacy of medical information. The team doesn’t have any control of Roy filing for medical retirement. Are they supposed to comment on something they don’t control? If anybody took last weeks comments as anything more than the team was willing to get him into camp and see what he could do then I think you’re failing to read between the lines.
Dumping on Blazer management over this is at least premature and probably unfair. I do fully expect the media to make that case. It is not reasonable to expect complete translucency from the team. Somehow it seems like that is expected by media members.
by 52therim on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree.
I highly doubt this was an engineered event. Likely the checkup brought with it some unexpected news. As someone with joint/cartilage issues, sometimes you really do feel like you’re back for an extended period of time, then it flares up again.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I feel the same way. All signs pointed to this though. He never once played in a charity game all summer. He backed out last minute.Then he doesn’t show up to training camp but promises to do it by the last possible day. Now this.
It’s like he doesn’t even want people to see what he looks like on the court. Things must be really bad.
Never, ever, trust Santa
It might just be some guy dressed in a funny suit who wants you to sit in his lap.
Funny thing about Santa and Satan.
They both wear read. They both have countless minions. You’ve never seen both of them in the same place at the same time.
Coincidence?
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
by conspirator5 on Dec 9, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Because it was Brandon's call to make - not the Blazers. It's his day - not their's. They
could say nothing, nor hint anything.
I'm with you there.
There’s a reason Jason Quick is a local yokel and Adrian Woj. is a big kahuna on the national scale.
"I Am Mine"
Well sure, all the reporters are
But JQ used to be connected, and it seems to have been taken away. The Blazers closed ranks and have stopped information leaks,.
Quick has crapped on just about everyone who trusted him. It's one thing to be a tough reporter
its another to be a back stabbing douche.
So who cares JQ
Brandon is an employee….how often do you tell your boss what your plans are until you absolutely have to….I do not believe Nate would have said all that he did with knowledge of this. If my boss asked me today if I was looking for another job I would say “no” even if I was. I am not a BB player, but human nature is human nature…
I don’t see them winning the title immediately. Nicolas Batum
I'm glad this is about JQ and not Roy
If he wasn’t a back-stabber, people might be more honest with him.
And I doubt he was duped by anyone. Roy didn’t know this until yesterday.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
DC Blazer
source for roy not knowing until yesterday?
Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life
Look at the updated post from Ben
And it’s also in the main ESPN article now. Apparently Roy had a medical checkup yesterday and received devastating news that he needed to retire to preserve his ability to walk in the future.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Brandon is good at duping people
especially that whole “team player” bit.
My parents believed in me.
You have to wonder where the line was....
Was it BRoy and his agent telling the Blazers he was 100%? Or did Nate and Miller know the real story too and were waiting for today?
So many questions….
currently that is the only thing im looking forward to about this team right now
and seeing Batum maybe play some 2, otherwise I’m too bummed out
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 9, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Sad indeed
"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)
Is an amnesty possible on top of the retirement?
I know that seems contradictory.
Gnna miss the AAAAAAAAAAAye!!! on BRoy drives
#7
by broden on Dec 9, 2011 8:45 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Thank You
B-Roy thank you for all you have done for the Blazers and their fans. You really are a class act. We all wish you the best in whatever you decide to do. One last time MVP MVP MVP MVP.
by IcemanTGW on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Someone mentioned in one of the other threads...
The team should retire #7 at the home opener.
by HeathBlizzard on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
That would be quite the emotional ceremony
by WeeJa on Dec 9, 2011 8:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Start every home game this season with a Roy chant
by Left.Coast.503 on Dec 9, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
I was planning to... AM-NESS-TEE!
Now I don’t have to risk getting tossed out of the arena…
something tells me Roy will want/need some time before he's prepared to go through a tribute game
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Personally, I'd rather see a "Thank You" ceremony, and "Brandon Roy Night"
And come back to jersey retirement in a few years.
So did Canzano's little stunt last week piss off the blazers enough that they decided to freeze out the Oregonian?
The fact that nobody local has anything is pretty telling
canzano was just guessing as usual
no sources
Fan of Portland Trail Blazers, Denver Broncos, and Portland Timbers
by PortlandOrange on Dec 9, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
The organization probably purposely leaked
to the national press just to get back at them. Quick’s tweet is pretty telling.
The right move.
I moved to Portland late ‘04 after the initial settlement period I started following basketball. Nothing else in town really and it wouldn’t interfere with my “hometown” teams. It was the Brandon Roy draft that pulled me in to following the Blazers. Shedding the Jailblazer image and reinventing the roster was a big appeal for me. So I followed, watched and experienced the last 5 years with you all…
This decision could possibly be one of the greatest moments in sports history. An athlete realizing, in his prime years, that there is more to life than the sport. I’ve listened to interviews with retired players practically crippled with pain. Roy, is a hero not so much to us as fans of a sports team, but to his family. Its the right move.
by Doganpc on Dec 9, 2011 8:51 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
he's even more of a hero to us
if the rumors are true and they told him amnesty or retire, and he chose retire. How can you get more loyal than that? He was a local legend before all of this .. today just cements it
Depressing news to wake up to.
Hard to believe it’s only been a couple years since Roy/Aldridge/Oden were supposed to make us consistent contenders.
But as someone said above, huge respect for Brandon deciding he would rather retire than leave Portland. And no doubt it’s the right move for his health and his family long term.
Thanks for everything you did for the franchise, Brandon. You were truly one of the all-time Blazer greats, even if only for a few seasons.
If all the reports are true this all just makes Brandon look that much classier.
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mark_twain_4.html#ixzz1IE4sPu16
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions
More classy
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mark_twain_4.html#ixzz1IE4sPu16
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder what PA has to say about the player that led the revival of his franchise
and helped get this city excited about this team again
I hope he can't say enough about him. I know I can't.
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
What a classy guy and an amazing player
B-Roy brought Rip City back to Portland and gave us all so many memories in such a short time. Tragic that it has to end so soon.
We love you Brandon, thanks for everything.
Retire #7
2nded
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
So….
was our front office and mcmillian just being…. what… really nice? playing coy?
I mean does this make them look completely stupid? Hes going to be a starter, he looks good….
does anoyne else feel like they have no idea whats going on? or were they just waiting for Roy to say what they already knew and wanted to make him feel better for amnesty clause…..
miss u broy! last year he seemed angry and out of control and I soured on him, but if he really does this… wow, crazy respect
That was my question
And remember none of them really “saw” him they just were going off what he “told them”… but either they were flat out leading us on, or i guess he said somethign to them that wasn’t quite factual? i really have no idea thats the one part thats really confusing
They didn't need to say he will compete for a starting spot though
they could have just simply said “he will be at training camp” and left it at that.
It's possible the details of his status were not disclosed to Nate
Remember, coaches were not allowed to see players scrimmage.
This just isn’t a topic I’m worried about. Even if Nate was just being nice, no problem.
by Timmay! on Dec 9, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more. This is an enormously tough decision for Brandon.
The Blazers had to stay out of the way and make it his alone. Any hint on their part that he was not going to play would’ve lead to increasing rumors, making it more difficult. Whatever they knew, it wasn’t their place to say anything.
So, let’s not point fingers at the Blazers. Even if they knew this, or suspected this, they had to keep the lid on and say nothing. And, about all they could do is indicate they weren’t going to amnesty him, until he made this call his way and in his own time. At the same time, they told the truth. They weren’t going to use the amnesty on Brandon.
by ebenc on Dec 9, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no but they said he would probably be a starter…
thats the quote Im having problems with. why not say, were not using the amnesty on him, and we are working on his roll for the team,
that makes sense to me, but saying he will be a starter? Y do that? it either says we have no idea whats going on, or were saying this for other reasons, maybe for tickets… I dont know,
but y say he will be a starter?
Nate said that, it's possible he hadn't seen Brandon in action and didn't know the extent of his status
Or it’s possible it was a slip of the tongue while trying to deflect attention from Brandon.
I think...
It was just somehow trying to let him leave as who he was and was supposed to be… the franchis player, not going out as a washed up roll player. It’s just showing him respect and acknowledging what he did for the franchise.
Not at all.
This was Brandon’s call, not the Blazers. They could have known everything, but they could say nothing because it’s Brandon who had to make the announcement – not the Blazers. He’s the one retiring after all.
WTF is going on in the front office. How do they go from Starting 2 guard to retired in 2 days.
Seriously, the inmates are running the asylum there.
Salute #7, and I support the retiring of that number.
It’s truly been a pleasure, Mr. Roy. What a fantastic player to have as the face of your franchise.
If not for injuries, I truly believe there would be another banner up.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Fuck Jim Harbaugh.
by Skylar on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
First time ever seeing this.
It’s awesome! I got the 7th rec!
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
One of the saddest days in Blazer history
Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 9, 2011 9:10 AM PST reply actions
It's classy on every level.
1. The Blazers keep the amnesty and can use it as the desire. This gives them more flexibility. This FA class doesn’t justify using it now knowing Brandon’s salary comes off the books next summer anyhow.
2. Insurance picks up 80%-90% of Brandon’s salary, giving Allen more flexibility in future signings. Trust me – this will be remembered by Allen and all the league executives, and you can look forward to Brandon having a different kind of future in the NBA if he wants it.
3. Brandon will be remembered for what he really was, not as he would have been had he tried to limp through the last few years of a sterling career.
4. Brandon clearly understood that he would get paid whether he played or not, but that playing would increasingly damage his knees, increasing his difficulties as he got older. And, of course, he knew that he’d never get paid more to play out his contract, and that his knees were not going to let him play beyond it meaning he’d have no future contracts.
by ebenc on Dec 9, 2011 9:10 AM PST reply actions 11 recs
well said, impressive decision by Brandon
No amnesty, no team action, just Brandon making the tough decision for the team and his future.
This enhances and insures his Blazer (and no other team) legacy.
Wake me when the game is on.
Excellent thinking. Very big picture.
Makes me even more of a Roy fan than I was previous. Goes without saying that I was quite a fan already.
I’ll be intrigued to see what he does next, if he returns to the league in an executive or coaching role.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Not to be all Captain Bringdown here, but we'll have a very different roster next season
We’re just going to get through this year to make it there.
yeah, this year is a big transition
let’s use it well – give good looks to Nolan, Armon, Babbitt, Williams, as well as vets like Felton, Batum, Matthews.
Make changes mid-year if you want, otherwise you blow it all up this summer and rebuild on they fly, using the above players as trade pieces or decide they are keepers.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Who knows williams could be the next BRoy.
We still have plenty of SGs on the team but the have very little run in them in this league.
Don't worry, Email's been fixed.
No, not like your dog’s been fixed. Just his knees.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Sad day indeed !
Now let’s treat Brandon with the respect he deserves. Thank you barely covers it. Quick should feel duped. Don’t play poker with Nate and Larry. If Blazer fans haven’t learned not to listen to him by now its their own bad. If he hadn’t handled Brandon like a douche the organzation might trust him in the first place. Now time to move on and see what EW has. Brandon will be missed.
just win baby !
by FrenchieFan on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 AM PST via mobile reply actions
If Roy's interested
The team should (and I imagine will) give him any job with the organization he wants. How many fans would like to see him in a broadcast role? A lot, I guess. I’m sure Roy would want some time away from the game but in a year or two Portlanders would love to see him back.
Steve Goodman lives.
They usually aren't full time jobs, he can probably do both.
Unless he takes an assistant coach job at UW, but even then he could still do various Blazer events.
The problem with working for the Blazers is he'd see his peers competing. That's got to hurt.
At UW, Roy would be working with younger people and his inability to play likely wouldn’t gnaw at him as much.
"I Am Mine"
Well as am ambassador, he might not work directly with the players much
He might be community-focused, which the Blazers could sorely use.
Though having him around the players could be good. Brandon would have an insight into that team that no coach can provide.
Nice to see you taking people's emotions into consideration, AK
You’re such a big softie!
by zbrum on Dec 9, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to see him at Garfield.
by kengriffey on Dec 9, 2011 12:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
For anybody
That thinks BRoy was not special….watch the entire video.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/4/24/2126431/best-roy-moment
by Iluvdisteam on Dec 9, 2011 9:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow. If Brandon played for the Knicks, ESPN would have stopped their coverage for this news
Instead, Sportscenter seems to have barely noticed.
To be fair
There’s a much bigger national story going on right now.
The Cleveland/Pittsburgh Thursday night game?
Because it’s been on for 10 minutes.
by Timmay! on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does it make me a bad person that I'm upset Ben Roethlisberger is damn near indestructible?
"I Am Mine"
The hate many people have reserved for LeBron or Kobe I have toward Roethlisberger.
"I Am Mine"
by AK1984 on Dec 9, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And it is much, much more deserved.
The thing that makes me hate him is how quickly ESPN forgets about his disgusting actions toward women and starts praising “Ben” for his toughness and abilities.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
by joelor on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Big Ben is a national hero
He loves his team so much he’d run through a brick wall for them.
He’d drive his motorcycle through a car for them.
He’d play on a broken leg to make sure Dennis Dixon never had to step on the field for them.
He’d sleep his way though an entire danceclub full of coeds because all he does is win games and play hurt.
*I am biased, he’s from my alma mater.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
And yet, in addition to all that, he's still perhaps the biggest douche in pro sports
And that’s saying something.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Tebow?
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wondering what the bigger national story is.
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Execs threatening to quit in protest of the NBA
The league screwing over one it’s top two franchises. Players threatening legal action.
I don’t know, seems kinda significant.
ESPN discussed it for 2 minutes, then spent 5 discussing LBJ's interview.
With an on-site report from Miami.
Priorities.
I really hate ESPN.
But that’s an entirely different thread.
Sigh.
To be fair, LeBron James is still a bigger national story.
Not saying it’s right or wrong, but that’s how it is nationally.
"I Am Mine"
let them go through the legal action.
I don’t feel one bit of sympathy that chris paul didn’t get to go to the team he demanded.
#52
The whole Paul trade thing is HUGE
Not just for the Lakers and Hornets but for the whole league.
Brandon Roy retiring at 27 is a big deal, but it’s not like he was projected to be an all-star this year.
"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell
I think Stern know that CP3 knees will go the same way as Roy's
So he stopped the trade to save the Lakers from themselves.
Roy stopped being an All-Star, Future HOF caliber player at the start of last season
I think if he was still at the height of his effectiveness this would be a whole different story, but most people were already aware that the player he once was, the Hall of Fame caliber player, had been gone for a bit and wasn’t coming back.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Not to sound morbid, but it'd've been a bigger national news story if Brandon Roy ...
had gone out like Drazen Petrovic than Geoff Petrie.
"I Am Mine"
Uh..yeah no kidding.
NEWS FLASH: high-caliber professional athlete dying makes headlines
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
And all the pieces finally fall into place
And we now have our new GM! B-Roy!
by eesti on Dec 9, 2011 9:20 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
He would bring back Travis, and Blake.
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 9, 2011 11:35 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sick feeling..
..pit of stomach..
Probably as a direct result of the high we were on after Monday.. what a low today.
Everyone, including Brandon, was duped by Brandon. I don’t mean that in a bad way, I just think the denial ran deep. Nate was ever so eager to have his savior return to form, I don’t think anyone in management lied Monday.
Tie down the furniture kids, it's time for another ride down Ulcer Gulch!
it is a crazy turn of events
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Now that he is going to retire...
Aren’t there options for his knees? I know there aren’t medical fixes that would allow him to play but aren’t there replacement surgeries that would make his life easier that he can actually have done now? Today is not a sad day, today is a happy day! We get to remember Roy as the hero for what he gave to us and this decision!
by Needsahome on Dec 9, 2011 9:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions
assumes his knees hurt on a day-to-day basis
rather than rigors of NBA play
M, period. Fresh, comma.
What was all that talk earlier?
Did he really lead miller, nate, chad to believe he could start and then announce retirement three days later? I mean I dont believe roy would do that but it seems wierd.
Trying to get the media off his back basically.
“He’s starting, he’s starting, shut up and quit throwing rocks at the window”
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm cool with it.
Even if it was a PR stunt and team management was giving the media and fans lip service, it’s fine in this situation.
They handled it as best they could given the circumstances.
"I Am Mine"
Yeah there was just no right answer for the Blazers here
They were in the period where they could not really officially announce anything, and clearly wanted Brandon to have time to make a proper decision.
I really dont think it matters at all
if they were being honest great, if they weren’t, they were being respectful to Brandon, in the end the fan’s feelings about being duped in order to give your franchise player the space to make a decision to retire is just fine
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
"we'll give him the chance to start"
Gets picked over like it’s the opening line on the Rosetta stone, and nobody specifically mentions Wallace’s planned minutes and we throw a hissy fit… It’s a wonder anybody talks to the media at all.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I didn't know history and mythology were also subjects for mash-ups.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
by conspirator5 on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Once in a generation guy for Portland
A guy in the top 3 in the league at his position who doesn’t want to leave? Sad day.
"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell
Truly sad, I feel for BRoy and for you guys.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
Where's that guy who kept wanting concrete proof?
Well here it is buddy.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
A sardonic note - a comment I saw on Dime....
Shot In Ya Face says:
Word on the street is that David Stern is going to block Brandon Roy from retiring.
by pdxcharlie on Dec 9, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
To me, that's still bigger news on a league-wide front.
I’m still not sure how the NBA will deal with that nightmarish debacle.
"I Am Mine"
They'll just wait a year and then contract them and Sactown.*
*They won’t do that.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Freeman says Roy met with doctors yesterday
He was told he might not walk again if he kept playing.
Of Course Shocked....
….but my question is how did we get here from there? How do you go from mondays press conference by Chad, Miller and McMillan, where they seemed to suggest that their meeting with Brandon left them with the impression that Brandon was feeling better, improved and was excited and focused on starting the season. To todays reports that Brandon is going to retire? Was there an event this week? DId Brandon try to go, and feel pain? It just seems like such an extreme swing of the pendelum, to go from Brandon might even regain his starting spot….to Brandon is hanging up the sneakers….
If these reports are true, and I’m going to say “IF” because remember we also heard how The Blazers had already decided to use the amnesty clause on Brandon, so I’ll believe it when I hear it from Brandon. But IF these reports are true….
Much respect Brandon. I enjoyed watching you play. You were the brightest spark for this franchise at the darkest time.
I would have more to say, but just cant at the moment.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Wow.
I am totally blown away by this news. On Monday I was in favor of using the amnesty clause. But as everything settled over the week I was really looking forward to seeing Broy on the floor, seeing what he, the natural, had left in the tank. Now I think I know what all those that were against the amnesty felt. Sad day.
God bless you, Brandon.
Well, the season has officially started; I yelled, “what the hell is going on with this organization,” this morning.
I wonder if now he might look into some experimental procedures to his knee
like a transplant or something
Only so much can be said about Brandon Roy and what he's given the franchise, so I'll leave that to others.
A legendary Washington Huskies alum and Portland Trail Blazers great. No question. In UW school and Blazer franchise history, he sits near the top.
Since there’s nothing more I’ve got to say about that, let me move onto a basketball-related topic to alleviate the sadness.
At long last, everybody should finally learn it isn’t the players, but rather the head coach who controls pace. Over the past few years, Brandon Roy was wrongly considered by many of y’all to be the one who dictated the tempo.
Not true.
The proof will be in the pudding this season, too. As has been the case since he started out as a head coach in November of 2000, Nate McMillan will once again lead a roster of guys who’ll be near or at the slowest mark in pace factor (i.e., possessions per 48 minutes). With or without Roy, McMillan is naturally a down-tempo coach.
And yeah, LaMarcus Aldridge can’t change that, Gerald Wallace can’t change that, Nicolas Batum can’t change that, Wesley Matthews can’t change that, Raymond Felton can’t change that, et cetera.
"I Am Mine"
What is your point?
Nate is by far the best coach we can get in portland, certainly the only olympic coach we could get. Plus the down tempo offense has proven to be the most effective in the NBA, especially in the Playoffs.
by aPleasureToBurn on Dec 9, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
To be honest, I'm actually glad that Nate McMillan is a slow-paced coach. I prefer that style.
My only qualm is that several people who don’t like down-tempo basketball would often blame Brandon Roy for it, even though he had no control over the team’s pace overall.
"I Am Mine"
Yeahh.... OK...
I guess we’ll see… If Nate continues this boring slow down ball, I’ll be the first to call for his head. Coach up to the skills of your players, Nate!
I don’t know what games you were watching, but I can’t tell you how many times BRoy (or Blake) would get the ball on the wing, 3 on 2 situation, and insted of pressing the situation he pulls up, to dribble the air out of the ball for 20 seconds… Hundreds…
Our ball movement and offense were SO much more fluid when Roy wasn’t on the court. I;m really jazzed about the season now…
Don't worry, V1, for I'll keep an eye on the team's # of possessions per 48 minutes this year.
Remember, though, that pace and ball movement are two different things. A team can chew up a lot of clock moving the ball around in the halfcourt.
"I Am Mine"
what's the worst thing you can do in college ball?
take the first open shot.
what’s the worst thing you can do in pro ball?
pass up the first open shot.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I'll keep that in mind, what I really want is dazzling ball movement
that runs the defense into the ground, confusing and disorganizing them as they have to try and defend the quickly changing ball handler/offensive threat. Chew the clock up all you want developing a great look and wearing out the other team. Of course scoring is key. Getting back on offense before the defense is set should be done when the opportunity presents it’s self, if the quick score is there take it, if not get the ball moving, keep them guessing, wear them out.
So, ‘pace’ defined as time on offense is not the key factor for me. Rather motion, oportunism, diverse offensive attack, effective adaptation to an opponents weaknesses. Having a young athetic team that can hande such speed and exertion can be an advantage which should be exploited, particuarly with teams not so incined.
There can be a big difference in the on court acction within the same elapsed time on offense. I want action.
Wake me when the game is on.
we can still be opportunistic
we ran the Lakers out of the building in a home game last year. For me it’s not about overall pace as much as it is about being able to take advantage of the opportunities given.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
To give you credit, a lot of people seemingly want some middle ground.
Not like Golden State or Mike D’Antoni’s SSOL, but rather medium-tempo with opportunistic running and more ball movement — which is why many people in Portland are still fond of Rick Adelman — but even that won’t happen regularly with Nate McMillan.
"I Am Mine"
Sign me up for the middle ground.
I think they’ll be forced into it, not because Roy specifically is gone, but because we don’t have a player that can fill his shoes in isolation. Roy was a master at breaking down his defender and finding a hair’s breadth to shoot from. Since the Blazers lack that specific talent, I don’t think we’ll see as much of the dreaded ISO. Furthermore, I’m hoping that the 3-guard lineup is toast.
I’ll miss Roy in a big way, but his effect on McMillan was dangerous.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
For two-and-a-half seasons, Ray Allen was Nate McMillan's best iso player in Seattle.
That didn’t stop McMillan from coaching down-tempo basketball.
"I Am Mine"
Yeah, and that was the first play Mac implemented specifically for GW
But to be fair, Crash is an incredible slasher, and the strategy was effective.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I think the origin of Nate's
slow play philosophy was with that early Blazer teams that featured Sebastian Telfair. The fewer possessions for both teams gave the young Blazers a chance to stay in games. He got the players to focus on the value of each possession and for the most part it worked. Even as BRoy and LMA came online they were still a young team prone to mistakes so I think the slow pace made sense.
More recently I’ve seen him on the sidelines exhorting his team to run, so I find it hard to believe it is just Nate holding the team back. I’ve always been impressed (in a negative way) at how bad the Blazers have been at running the fast break. Maybe its something that they just don’t practice much but I’ve seen all to often the spacing is all messed up and one defender is able to break up a 3 on 1 fast break. Compared to the L*kers or almost any every other team. I still remember seeing CP3 at the all-star game trying to explain to BRoy how to make his approach to the basket.
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
Just heard on the radio, apparently the Dr that examined Roy told him
“you can’t do this. If you continue to play you may end up not being able to walk.”
Looking like this is going to end up falling under the “Brandon will be a part of this team moving forward, and we’ll expect to see him in training camp, barring any CATASTROPHIC happening before then.” part of Chad Buchannan’s statement from the other day.
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 9, 2011 9:41 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Thanks....
That would explain it.
I think it’s really indicative of how GREAT a player, competitor, Brandon Roy was, that he’s done all he has done, with the knee’s he does have…
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I dunno I would assume he has had doctors all summer telling him this if this was the case
i can’t believe every other doctor told him he could play then magically this one right before camp says “no” seems odd.
Eventually....
…the timeline of discovery will probably become clearer. But today? I’m just trying to deal with the news that Brandon is retiring.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
#7
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
by blazeraddict on Dec 9, 2011 9:43 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Good luck on your future endeavors, Mr. Roy. You will be missed.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
by DTG13 on Dec 9, 2011 9:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
These last couple of weeks have been the strangest I’ve experienced in my basketball-loving life. Sad to see #7 go so soon but he’s doing it on his terms instead of letting things drag out. Good for him.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
A thought
Perhaps B. Roy should become an assistant coach and Mr. Dickau moved into another capacity. Keeps the man on the bench, with the team.
I think the best thing for Brandon Roy would be to walk away from the NBA for a while.
Do something related to college basketball and the University of Washington, even if it’s in a small capacity.
"I Am Mine"
I hate to say this but
I think this is good for the team. I originally wanted roy to stay because I thought the amnesty would be a cruel way to go for a guy that gave so much to the blazers. His departure is more palatable now that it’s happening out of natural causes. I think more minutes for wes, elliot, and luke will be more beneficial in the long run than watching roy slowly deteriorate and armon have only 17 career minutes in 3 years. butum can also try out different positions and really become a solid part of this team in the future.
This is a year for seeing what they've got on the bench and planing for major cap room next year.
Now would be a good time to hire a GM.
same
That would give us something, at least, including CJ. A bunch of scrappy rooks and newish guys + nic.
I'm hoping for some improvement from AJ.
It might be pretty sloppy out there, with the backup PGs being Armon and two guys that averaged about 3 TOs per game in college, but Armon is the most natural PG of the lot of them, has actual NBA experience, and has a chip on his shoulder.
I think we’ll see a lot of the Armonster this season.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Dec 9, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I hope you're right
I actually really like Armon’s game…minus the turn overs and a little less trigger happy. I think he’ll be a solid PG in the NBA if he gets time to develop.
we don't know that
We haven’t even see Nolan play
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
or Elliott
and we don’t know that we don’t have more people coming in
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
the team has been talking up Elliot a ton, I wonder if thats because they were expecting
him to have a serious roll on this team
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I'm looking forward to see what he and Nolan can bring, more Nolan since has a lot of college experience.
Elliot is going to be fun to watch with those dunks though. Just trying to remember that they’re still rookies and see what we get.
#52
point being, this year is to evaluate that
Williams, Nolan, Babbitt should all get PT to either prove to us we want to keep them, or provide some value as trade assets this season and this summer.
Go all in on Wes/Batum/LA/Felton and see how they work together so you can devise informed strategies for the future.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
yep look and see year
Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life
The team's getting blown up whether the fornt office likes it or not.
Basically starting over next year with Aldridge, Batum and Matthews and rookie contracts. Not a terrible place to be. I’m in the mood to turn the page I think, on Roy, on Oden on KP on Cho, the whole drama.
Start over.
wallace and camby should both be good trade chips
and Felton too.
This team has a TON of flexibility and options the next 9 months. Let’s hope we use it a LOT better than we did during the KP tenure.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I'm a little worried about that whole GM thing.
I don’t know if I trust that Buchanan, Miller and PA can create a long term plan.
by Timmay! on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wallace relaly isn't a great chip because he has a player option for next year
So hes not a true expiring contract
he's a decent chip
contract isn’t outrageous and he can play. his value isn’t a pure expiring, it’s more of a "hey, we could use a guy like that for our playoff run, and at worst, he’s only gonna cost us for one more year)
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Might be a good year for the Blazers to trade him and tank.
Get into the lottery, trade for more picks…
Wallace could really help a contender
Or a team that’s a player shy of being good who would give us assets in exchange.
For instance, before the Clippers inked Butler, perhaps we could have landed the unprotected Minny pick the Clips have for Wallace and our willingness to pay Kaman for a year.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
wallace prefers not to have to play the four anyway
for his 11 mill.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
it's more palatable for us, but completely tragic for roy
really feel for the guy. sad day. :(
I hope Brandon Roy has a happy life and takes care of his family with the contract
he earned. This has to be crushing for him emotionally, the guy worked his tail off to become one of the 10 best in the world at what he does, and unfortunately his body just sounds like it won’t allow him to continue. Best player I’ve ever seen in a Blazer uniform, including Drexler. Hopefully we have a feel good jersey retirement in the next year or so, and more importnatly, Brandon Roy finds something outside of playing ball he is passionate about, because I have no doubt he will succeed at whatever he does next, whether it’s coaching, broadcasting, front office or civic related.
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
by blazeraddict on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
tried to rec and accidentally flagged!
egads, i’m sorry, trying to fix it!
here it is anyway...
blazeraddict said:
I hope Brandon Roy has a happy life and takes care of his family with the contract
he earned. This has to be crushing for him emotionally, the guy worked his tail off to become one of the 10 best in the world at what he does, and unfortunately his body just sounds like it won’t allow him to continue. Best player I’ve ever seen in a Blazer uniform, including Drexler. Hopefully we have a feel good jersey retirement in the next year or so, and more importnatly, Brandon Roy finds something outside of playing ball he is passionate about, because I have no doubt he will succeed at whatever he does next, whether it’s coaching, broadcasting, front office or civic related.
flagged
repetitive post.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
wish i had...
haha, this is what i get for leaving blazersedge for the past few months!
He needs to take up WoW or MW3
:P
by Needsahome on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
WOW!!
Now this is just proof what a classy guy BRoy is. I mean, no matter how much money you make, it has to be incredibly hard to deal with the fact that you can’t do what you know you can do in your mind because your body just won’t let you. Instead of trying to make it happen and just continue to deteriorate, it sounds like he has taken the high road (and more difficult road). How many athletes do you know of that can just shut it down and call it a career as they are just moving into their prime, not to mention possibly being on the fast track to the HOF (just look at first 4 years in the league).Much props and respect to one of the greatest players to wear a Blazer uniform. He’s showing the integrity and character that he has always displayed in his time here. He’s doing the right thing for everyone involved. Much love!
We lose a star and another is born...
BROYs clone resides at his alma-mater UW in the form of Terrence Ross. Don’t know much about his game but I know he is from Portland and he is a 6’6" baller but likely projected as a lottery pick. Be cool to pick up a home town kid tho..
We bout to get drunk off pancakes - EpicMealTime
So sad
I remember watching b roy during his junior year at UW on that Nate Robinson team and thinking to myself that’s the most complete college basketball player in the nation. I’ve never had so much fun watching a basketball player, from his senior year at Washington until that Dallas game. Still hope it’s not true.
by kengriffey on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Just listened to Ben's comments on the radio and he brings up some really good points, mainly about how inept this makes our front office look
The organization looks to be really confused and scrambling to control the situation. My faith in the Blazers Org just took another hit.
Disagree
The FO played a charade for the better good and it worked and I’m fine with it.
Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life
by dyshooter182 on Dec 9, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They did it to keep the media off Brandon's back
Thus, they helped make this incredibly difficult decision easier on the guy who has done so much for this franchise over the years.
I don’t feel like they owe anything to me as a fan. They don’t need to keep me in the loop, I’ll respect their need to keep this quiet. They do however, owe everything to Broy.
by ozqb3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
They did it to keep the media off Roy's back for one week?
They had already debunked the amnesty rumor and it wasn’t exactly like there was a media frenzy about the situation
if they did know this was going to happen, which I don't think they did
if it was to give Brandon the time and space he needed to make this decision in peace before training camp, I think that’s ok. I think people who are upset about this are grieving and looking for someone to blame and be angry at
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 9, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Before the press conference
Everyone wanted either Roy gone or to stay for another year. And everyone feared the management being insensitive about the whole issue.
Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life
They had previously debunked the amnesty rumor, so that took the heat off the situation
So the giant reaffirmation that Broy was in the Orgs long term plans wasn’t really neccessary, especially with the checkup occurring yesterday
I think they simply told the truth
I think Nate was being the eternal optimist regarding Roy, perhaps being nice, and almost certainly being honest—we all know he would consider starting Roy no matter what. That’s just Nate.
I think Miller’s comments were particularly telling:
“Right now our plan is that Brandon is going to be a part of this team when we start training camp and hopefully when we start the season,” Miller added. “His level of excitement about coming into the season, his level of commitment wanting to help make this team better all came through in the meeting we had with him. Now, when training camp starts, we’ll see Brandon out on the court and we’ll take it from there.”
I think Miller was telling it like it was. He said, a) their plan as of Monday was to have Roy stick with the team through camp to evaluate him (makes sense), b) Roy was excited about contributing and taking another run at it (probably true), and c) the team was going to use training camp to evaluate Roy and hoped he would still be with the team by the time the season started (also believable).
I think they knew Roy had a big exam coming up on Thursday, and I doubt they expected that he would get the news he did. I’m sure they were all cognizant of the fact that retirement was an option, but I doubt they were expecting this. And even if they knew it was highly likely, it wouldn’t have been right for them to go blab about this to the media and public—Roy had a right to deal with this privately. Also, there’s no way they KNEW he would need to retire—if that’s true, why did he get checked on Thursday?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
To me that makes the situation even more confusing on a number of levels
1. Did Brandon’s knee deteriorate that much over the summer/fall?
2. So Brandon had zero MRI’s done over the summer and consulted no specialists? This isn’t a case of he might be ok, the Doctors told him he might have problems walking and that his career was most likely over. I have a really hard time believing this was the case
Those are good points and you could be right
But I can believe he wasn’t getting checked over the summer. Because of the lockout, I doubt he had access to team doctors. And why go in for checkups when nothing is happening? I bet Roy was just resting and doing minimal exercise to give his knees a break in the hope that they’d recover by the time the season started.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
And Roy's knees may not have deteriorated
Rather, it might be the case that they simply didn’t improve or the doctors finally decided to tell him enough is enough.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
With Brandon's knees there was nothing to heal, so I am not sure what would improve.
It would be more about managing the side effects of playing with said condition.
Roy's entire career is predicated on the health of his knees and he doesn't get them checked once? There are plenty of other options besides the team doctors
If that’s the case he is getting some horrible advice from somewhere. And Roy was working out somewhat consistently up in Seattle according to numerous reports.
Don't believe everything you hear...
there is so much more going on that you wouldn’t know about, even in this day and age. Who knows what was/is really going on…
Absolutely.
I think people are actively looking for conspiracies and ways to mistrust the FO.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
by joelor on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the idea that the FO intentionally lied to the entire public about knowing that Brandon was going to medically retire
would not qualify as “mismanagement.” I think that’s a conspiracy.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
I don't think they knew for sure, but I have a hard time believing that Roy's knees got that much worse over the break
And that Roy didn’t get any any MRI’s and consulted any specialists
If they lied
then we have some freakishly good actors in the FO.
We all know that Larry Miller is TERRIBLE actor.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
Agreed
They walked a PR tightrope the best that could be expected.
My eyes are tearing up....
I already miss you…
Thank you, Brandon, for everything.
Number 7 forever….
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
by 1ofthe7 on Dec 9, 2011 9:55 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Is it ok to cry....?
:(
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
by 1ofthe7 on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's ok to cry
I was tearing up driving in to work this morning. This is heartbreaking.
by ozqb3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks guys....
It’s nice to find comfort with my Blazer brethren….
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
by 1ofthe7 on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
... and I'm buying a Roy jersey this week
And it will probably be the only jersey I wear for the forseeable future.
by ozqb3 on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I better get one too
Never got one before.
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
Well this is one heck of a way to kick off today.... If i remember right at 11am teams can start actually signing and making moves
should be a crazy day
Such sad news
BRoy man I am going to miss you. A class act, an amazing player, a true legend as a Trail Blazer. Hold your head high young man…..
This just goes to show you how much...
BS & misinformation is spoon fed to us from biased media and PR departments until the act of hiding reality is no longer a sustainable option for them.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
How do you know they knew?
B.Roy seems to have been saying he was hoping to contend for the starting job. Maybe his doctors just told him yesterday that it’s time to hang it up.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Options
This gives the team a ton of options. I expect we will not amnesty Roy but will take the hit this year and look to keep the flexibility given by the amnesty for future seasons. If they go down this road we will have some cap room next year. My calculation is with Roy coming of the books we will have about 43 million committed (This includes Batum @ 5 mil) next year, including Wallace. If Wallace opts out we will add another 9 million to 34 million. However, it also gives us the option of using the disabled player benefit this year. With the new CBA you can now sign people to a 5 year deal starting at 50% of the disabled players salary. That means we could sign a free agent to replace Roy starting at 7.5 mil.
Cap relief, yes.
Malarky is talking about the DPE.
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Disabled player exception is interesting.
I believe it is limited to 50% or the MLE, which I’ll have to look up. It’s also a one year contract. Which makes it more interesting. We may have an MLE level exception and a mini-MLE to work with. Interesting.
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I just tried to find the details on this but couldn’t find anything. Is there a copy of the complete CBA posted somewhere? I just saw the summary of the DPE on ESPN.
I am curious if you agree with my calculations for 2012/13 salaries.
Projected Salaries in millions:
Aldridge: 13.75
Wallace: 9.5 (ETO)
Mathews: 6.5
Babbitt: 1.89
Williams: 1.44
Smith: 1.2
Claver: 1.16
Freeland: .94
Batum: 5 – I added this as a placeholder since it will either be a QO or his new salary. I assume a new deal will have a discounted first year to maximize cap space.
2012 1st: 1.2
2 Cap Holds: 1
Total 43.58
If Wallace opts out you can reduce the total by 9 million to 34.58 since you have to add another cap hold for the min.
This of course doesn’t include Oden or Wallace holds for next summer. If they opt out we would have to deal with them before looking elsewhere.
It also give the players the option of replacing Brandon this year based on the disabled player portion of the CBA. The new rules state that you can offer up to half the disabled players salary with 8% raises for 5 years.
Pretty much
Smith will probably sign for 120% of scale and Wallace’s option is a Player Option, not an ETO – but that’s just being picky.
I think Batum will get more than $5 million, but again it’s all just guesses, so I can’t criticize yours.
Biggest thing is Portland would have to renounce Oden, Felton and Camby.
It would cost Paul a ton in tax payments, but if he wants to compete this year, it is another option to get better now.
Unless they're really optimistic about Oden, I don't see winning NOW as a viable option
Especially not in a season that favors teams with youth (not us) and depth (really not us).
If Paul wants to win fast, the better bet is to retool next year and aim for a 4-year plan. It’s not fast, but it’s probably the fastest realistic option, short of selling the Blazers and buying a contender.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Wouldn't we have more than 7.5 mil?
Seems like 43 leaves us with more like 10-15 mil depending on how BRI shakes out (isn’t the cap at like 55 mil right now?)
If wallace opts out (or we force him to with the amnesty) I feel like we’d be able to offer a max contract.
Who would the Blazers land with a max deal?
The big guys (CP3, Howard, DWill) aren’t coming to Portland.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
If Howard is prevented from signing with the Nets as a tampering penalty
what happens to D-Will? S&T to the L*kers would get vetoed. Knicks are capped out. Dallas and PDX are his best options next offseason.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Well, pretty sure they won't have to renounce odden, he's going to beat them to it.
Aren’t Camby and Felton in the last year of their agreements?
They're very likely to do that for Camby
Felton may depend on how he plays this season.
Oden is where it gets interesting.
Ahhh bummer
Was hoping we could add a 10-15 mil contract on top of oden, then re-sign felton and wallace…
with Felton, we don't have Bird rights anyway
so renouncing him isn’t as painful, we really don’t lose much leverage.
Renouncing Camby is a non-issue.
Oden could walk, clearing that hold.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Didn't realize about Felton
So yes, Oden is definitely a key here. Hopefully if he decides to depart, he does so immediately on Jul 1.
One additional option, of course
Wallace could opt out.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 9, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
It's a one year option
If he has a good season, and there are plenty of teams with capspace (and it appears there will be), he’s got a good shot at getting a better deal before the higher penalties for tax payers kick in, while he’s a year younger. Think about the Joe Johnson, Travis Outlaw, JJ Redick, and Carlos Boozer contracts. There’s no way they would get those deals this year, even with some FA’s getting way over paid. Nope, his best bet would be to resign with PDX, or get a S&T to Dallas, for 5 years starting in the $7-8 million range with Bird Rights raises. If he picks up his option, he’ll get $9.5 million next season, but risk getting 4 years at the MLE in 2013.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Felton won't have Bird rights anyway
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Thank you, Brandon
For all the fun you provided. It was brief, but brilliant.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Sad, and a tough situation
But hey, you guys got to enjoy him for a really solid career, much of it underpaid – far more than the Bulls got out of Tyrus Thomas!
This should set you up well for the future.
we may be able to keep oden after this year after all
if all goes well of course
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 10:11 AM PST reply actions
Looking at the big picture this was a real positive for the front office today really.
They avoid the huge PR hit of needing to cut him, plus allows them to focus on their youth players, and focus on building the team around LA. they can make even more PR points by hiring Roy in some capacity with the team.
To be honest as an athlete, it would be horrible for Roy to be on the bench next year.
It would tear him up inside wanting to be able to play. If you want him with the club give him a FO job where hes in a suit away from the practices so he doesn’t have to go through that mental distress. Then after a few years once its finally settled in and hes alil outta shape and knows he can’t do it any more start bringing him in as an assistant.
A True Blazer
What I keep coming back to is what Brandon has done for this team time and time again. Everything from his R.O.Y. to the all-star appearances, leading this team from the dead, to making playoff runs, to the miracle that was game 4, and again today. Making the hardest decision he must have ever had to make, and choosing medical retirement over letting the Blazers make the decision to amnesty him, allowing him to keep all of his money, plus get picked up by another team. He wants to remain in the area, he should remain part of this franchise.
If he can’t represent Portland on the court, then he can surely become akin to what Terry Porter has done and become an ambassador for the Blazers off the court.
I'm proud of my collection....
I am lucky enough to have four of his jerseys…
Black swingman.
Silver Rip City
White Rip City
And my favorite Christmas green edition….
I may put them in a glass frame…. Although I would hate to not wear them, I also would never forgive myself if I ruined them.
These jerseys are very special to me.
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
I feel like crying.
I loved Roy. I sincerely hope he has a long, enjoyable life. Stay in touch #7.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Sad for Brandon, ecstatic for Blazers...
sorry BRoy lovers, but this is clearly the best scenario for the Balzers..
Although… if we amnesty him, doesn’t that give us cap relief THIS year??
It's ok to cry....
At least I hope so, because I already did and I don’t think I am done.
Brandon meant so much to many…
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
I flipped to 750 yesterday and I heard him whining because callers were asking about tickets or something and the Blazers had not yet gotten back to the program.
Canzano was reading the communications between him and the Blazers in a condescending, high-and-mighty voice and essentially just sniping them. What a jerk
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
During the jailblazer era, FO and the O fought each other openly.
People generally sided with the O, and Canzano for that matter, and that frankly had a lot to do with his current status.
Today, the FO and the O are butting heads, and I would say in general that Blazers fans are both more forgiving of management and much more critical of the behavior of the media.
Amazing what happens when you replace Patterson/Nash with guys like Pritchard and Buchanan and the blogosphere crushes the traditional news monopoly.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
by conspirator5 on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, occasionally Canzano likes to claim credit
for being a catalyst in changing the culture of the jailblazers. As if.
Canzano's an asshole.
Sorry about breaking site decorum but it had to be said. He makes me embarrassed to be a reporter and a Blazers fan.
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 17 recs
I can't bring myself to flag this.
Kids, cover your eyes.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
by conspirator5 on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Kids know right from wrong.
Adults teach them dishonesty.
I wonder how he will explain his job to his own when she is older ??
just win baby !
I completely agree
Clownzero has been annoying Portlanders for years now. He’s a hack and a buffoon.
by TheLegendofBRoy on Dec 9, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
People follow him?
Shouldn’t have been following him to begin with. And don’t even bring up anything he does. Just feeding a troll.
by neutroticblazerfan on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd have to join his feed just to un-follow him.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
It's hard to know what to take of this
I’m happy Roy has made a decision that will help him beyond basketball. Of course, I’m pretty damn flummoxed, getting a bit teary and really have no idea what to think. I guess I’m going to watch all my favorite Roy moments and blow up the Blazers twitter with salutary tweets for Roy. Let’s retire #7 and dedicate this season to a franchise player cut down in his prime.
I'll never forget #7.
I’ll be telling anyone who will listen over the future years about being lucky enough to see Brandon Roy play in person.
I’m sad that he’s done, but I’m relieved that he’s probably not going to wear any other NBA uniform but Portland’s. He’s ours forever.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Found this on the PDF that went out a few weeks ago:
o Disabled Player Exception set at lesser of (i) 50% of the disabled
player’s salary, or (ii) the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level
Exception. Maximum contract length of 1 year. Exception
available to be used to replace player who suffers season-ending
injury (same as under 2005 CBA).
"Anybody might guess beforehand that there would be blunders of the ignorant. What nobody could have guessed, what nobody could have dreamed of in a nightmare, what no morbid mortal imagination could ever have dared to imagine, was the mistakes of the well-informed." - G. K. Chesterton, The Common Man
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Career ending I think also counts as season ending.
So that means we will have some space to sign some people. Time to get back on the phones, Chad!
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So, we should be able to sign someone to a 1-year deal for $5m, right?
I doubt we’ll get anything exciting on a 1-year deal, but it should help fill the roster out a bit.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Kurt Thomas
He was supposedly fielding offers from POR, DAL, and MIA yesterday. He’d be prefect for this.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Hmmm So everyones talking about how its time for us to rebuild
Does anyone else wish we had Cho back now considered he basically got fired for saying we needed to rebuild, and thats what he wanted to do.
Cho should never have been let go
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
by blazeraddict on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
With Charlotte, Rich Cho's drafting of Bismack Biyombo made me question him somewhat.
So, even though I like Cho and find him to be an above average GM in this league, he’s far from perfect.
"I Am Mine"
jury is still out on that.
We will find out when Biyombo actually plays.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
Kevin Durant's twitter
Praying for Brandon Roy!
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
KD is a classy guy
I would have taken Oden too, but it sure would be fun to have Durant as a Blazer.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Yeah but...
One of the reasons for passing up Durant was because B Roy was here… How cruel fate can be! Let’s hope the Oden works out in the end!
I'm with you...
but as history goes, this will not go away… bummer.
I know this is an overused saying, but...
It is what it is.
by Timmay! on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and webster
We thought we had a solid sf in him and drafted him 6th outta seattle prep.
by ripcitymadness on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think it's automatic a star free agent will bolt for a big city, or that those two would have anyway in particular
However they will if a GM and ownership fails to get them what they want: Money individually, and success as a team
Well if that was the case, CP wouldn't have required to go only to LAL or NYK
The Clippers are on the rise, and he refused to consider an extension (according to rumors). He also reportedly said no to Boston. So it’s tough to say he’d be stay if a team was a contender, it’s at least iffy.
Deron was rumored to tell Utah that he was bolting either way. I mean, Utah. They always find a way to be a contender.
boston is going downhill
and I don’t think anyone can trust donald sterling to build a championship team.
now, if he refused an offer from the thunder, that’d be good proof of the big market advantage.
Sloan always found a way to keep them in the playoffs, but I think it's a small reach to say that they've always been in true contention
That’s especially true of last season.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Chris Paul or deron wouldn't have bolted from their teams
If they felt like they were in a good situation to contend for the title. So I would say it might have been different, assuming Pritchard did a pretty decent job with high draft picks (he sort of did).
Durant does get credit as a genuine soul
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
It feels like he died....
Heartbreaking…..
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
Let me rephrase that...
…it feels like a very close family member died…
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
Well
My cousin died yesterday. This isn’t great but it doesn’t feel like that.
I need some good news.
My condolences to you.....
And please, take no offense.
I hold the the Blazers close to my heart, and Brandon meant very much to me.
Unfortunately for me, I’ve lost 8 family members in the last 7 years. The feelings are fresh to me. Maybe I’ve been weakened by all the deaths, but to me, I felt like I could count on the Blazers. And Roy. But, at no ones fault, it is just another tremendous loss for me.
Sigh.
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
The grieving process started last fall for me when I realized that Roy would never be the same.
The just puts some closure on it.
UPDATE:
Nate McMillan to announce retirement from Portland Trail Blazers..
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions
You lie....!
Not Nate.
Are you saying Nate will announce Brandon’s retirement?
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
Big THANK YOU celebration at start of home opener.
The Blazers should plan a big thank you celebration prior to tip off of the home opener…a chance for fans to say thank you to Brandon, maybe a video of his greatest moments as a Blazer (game 4).
Don Clark
And we should rename the gym at the Garden the "Brandon Roy Athletic Facility"
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait 5 years to retire his jersey.
"I Am Mine"
by AK1984 on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like there must be more to this story,
just given the management of this team and how many weird stories have come out over the past few years. Management is dysfunctional, with no GM, Paul Allen, and the rest. It seems like there must be more wrinkles to this that we haven’t learned yet.
Yeah, you're probably right...
But I think so much gets blown out of proportion because of the time we live in. Just the fact that we constantly need content, rumors get out of hand and pretty soon, no one really knows what’s going on except for those who are directly involved, and then even then I’m not sure if they really know. This orginization has always been tight lipped and that’s fine with me. It’s their business, and they can do with it as they feel. As long as I can enjoy the product on the floor, I don’t really care what the FO does. But I do admit, I like following the drama. But I’m not going to take any of it personally. It’s just entertainment for the most part. But there is always the emotional attachment that you can get with the players.
And just a few days ago
Nate was like yeah Brandon will be in the starting line up lmao how stupid was that comment. Think all of us realized this was coming this isn’t a surprise. A player with the injuries Roy has suffered knew he was pretty much done. But some people including the coach and front office tried to put on those glasses and just pretend everything was ok. Well reality sets in and now its official. Great career by Brandon Roy was one of my favorate players to watch all time as a Blazer. The Sam Bowie curse seems to live on in Blazerland so this sucks. Hopefully Roy can become a coach or something.
Stop the Ride!..
I wanna get off!..
I just want the drama to be over and the games to start. I can’t take anymore of this rollercoaster!
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
It takes courage to fight for something.
Sometimes it takes more courage to walk away. To paraphrase Charles Barkley:
Brandon Roy is a role model.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
by conspirator5 on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
Work puts me way behind on catching up with this news, but I got a little choked up. I would never have seen this coming. I agree with the general sentiment that this puts Roy’s legacy on another level.
Roy’s already elevated status in my opinion has just risen several notches.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Thanks B. Roy!
Sad, sad news. It is going to take a few days for me to even have it sink in. I almost wish we still had Rudy now. I give Roy all the thanks as a fan and hope he gets through all of this. Unlike Oden who hasn’t produced jack squat yet still has fans rushing to his honor.
With that said, I am really getting tired of this team talking about next year and what we can do in the future. Also, why would Nate, Chad, and Miller even talk about Roy fighting for a starting spot when they know he has another check-up in a few days that could tell otherwise? I am getting annoyed and fed up with this organization.
If these reports are true....
… Wouldn’t it be better for the team to use the amnesty and get his salary off this year’s cap? Roy gets paid either way. You’d think that he would want to help the team financially if possible. Retirement would help his “legacy” and cost the team millions (more).
Anyway, I won’t believe anything until its coming from BRoy,s mouth.
Not to mention
Paul Allen would probably much rather have insurance pay his contract than have to pay it himself. makes it more likely he’ll spend next year.
Plus they can apply to remove the contract from the books next season
If an independent doctor confirms he needs to retire, which I have to imagine won’t be a problem.
Maybe retirement makes more financial sense then...
… I agree that there is no FAs to sign this year anyway.
Looks like Elliot Williams will get his chance. LMA said he looks ready.
It sounds a lot like this was in the best interest of both Brandon and the franchise
So he made the tough, but right, decision.
Not to mention
Insurance covers it, I believe, if its a career ender. Allen might be rich, but waiting out 68~million for a few months is probably a good idea.
by Waynearchetype on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you Brandon
For saving basketball in Portland. Retire #7.
It's too early to put up with idiots.
by GustyJ on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
In retrospect, it truly sucks that he was rushed back from meniscus surgery twice too early
Once in college, and one the “miracle comeback” a week after surgery to be ready for the Phoenix series. But oh well, water under the bridge. He probably though himself it was the right thing to do and pushed himself hard. Competitive spirit.
Brandon Roy "not having time to bleed" is central to his personality.
We are talking about the guy who left the bench in the 3rd quarter to go have the dry heaves while he was really sick, and then came out and played the entire 4th.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
by conspirator5 on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the Thrills Brandon
I’d like to pass on a few thoughts about Brandon rather than amnesty. I don’t view athletes as role models, but I always prefer and respect athletes with character. I never pull for an entitled, punk, athlete. Win at all cost has never been part of my credo. That’s why it has been easy to root for Brandon Roy and many other Blazer players recently. I like nice guy athlete players who give their all. Guys like Brian Grant come to mind, and of course BRANDON ROY.
I have always hated reading comments by posters who vilify players who are injured. They blame the player for the injury and call them a bum. As if the player wanted to rupture their ACL, break their leg, rupture a patellar tendon, etc. What person wants that type of injury? What person wants to be injured and prevented for doing what they want to do? Injuries may be frustrating to fans, but imagine the frustration of the athlete.
So thank you Brandon for giving your all, and I am sorry that you cannot do what you want to do at the highest level. Thank you for your service, dedication, and loyalty to the team. Thanks for helping make it fun to watch Blazer Basketball again, and unabashedly cheer for the Blazers and individual players. You will be missed.
This isn't the Lakers,...
"It's not Show time. It's GO time!"
"War is Hell. Go to War!"
by GameFace on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
And one of my favorite Brandon dunks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cts0sTJWrk
This isn't the Lakers,...
"It's not Show time. It's GO time!"
"War is Hell. Go to War!"
Take my advice:
NBA 2K10 Brandon Roy is the greatest player of all time. Just bring it up the right side in transition, crossover step back to the middle, mid-range jumper is money every time.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
by joelor on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yep, I'm turning back to virtual basketball to quell the pain of reality
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Wow.
Talk about a sucker-punch to the gonads. Surely this can’t be the end of Roy Wonder. It was only yesterday he was on top of the world. Often times I would wonder what Roy would look and play like at 37 years old, and I had a difficult time imagining him playing that aggressive, isolation game for several years- it takes a toll on his body.
I was doing "I was" and "I am" poems with my classes today
So I wrote these as my examples
Brandon Roy
I Was
I was talented, destined for greatness
I wondered how far I could go
I heard them chant my name
I saw them stand for me
I wanted to give them a championship
I was talented, destined for greatness
I pretended I was okay
I felt the pain
I touched greatness
I worried it would all come to an end
I cried when nobody was looking
I was talented, destined for greatness
I understood it could all come to an end
I saw the reality
I dreamt of being healthy
I tried to comeback
I hoped it would happen
I was talented, destined for greatness
I Am
I am humble and thankful
I wonder how far I could have gone
I hear them gasping
I see their broken hearts
I want to heal their pain
I am humble and thankful
I pretend that it’s all okay
I feel lost
I touch my knee and wonder why
I worry they will forget me
I cry when I realize the truth
I am humble and thankful
I understand life is unfair
I see my legacy
I dream of what could have been
I try to understand why
I hope they can forgive me
I am humble and thankful
!!!o o!!!
OMG I just jizzed in my France
OMGrandpa
by sug on Dec 9, 2011 11:28 AM PST reply actions 19 recs
I got what I debated about for three month
Although I knew BRoy’s injury would win, I didn’t know when, and neither did anyone else, Therefore I just wanted them to give BRoy a chance and let his knees be the deciding factor, I suggested that he retires a Blazer and maybe fill in as an ambassador or of some other capacity.
hg
Sad, sad day
I still have Game 4 of the Dallas series on my DVR. Now I don’t think I’ll ever delete it.
Yea, I'm hoping this is recorded online somewhere
Sadly, I moved and had to return the DVR that had game 4 on it.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Is Crash amnesty eligible next season?
If he decides not to use his option to leave? We could use him in trade as an expiring or, if amnesty is an option, we could amnesty him and add to the massive amount of flexibility we should have next season.
Smart people could build a pretty nice team out with our current core (+- Oden) and that kind of cap flexibility.
Who is a likely Amnesty target?
The only current contract I could see them using the AC would be Camby if they had targeted Nené, but that seems pretty far-fetched.
Could it be that the AC will just sit in PA’s pocket for awhile? Maybe to be used in a lopsided trade?
Fine, we’ll take your crappy contract packaged with the player we want, then Amnesty him when he gets off the plane in Portland.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks, I was wondering about that.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
my likely candidate: Roy
not now of course. but a year or two from now if he decides to un-retire and put his money back on our books (remember the MIles situation), we could then use the amnesty to get it back off again.
Unlikely it comes to that, but seems like the best thing to save it for. Either that or some unfortunate scenario where Aldridge or Matthews falls off a cliff.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I don't know why, but I think Brandon's done with playing basketball
Unless there is some amazing procedure that’s uncovered soon. It’s got to be sobering when the doctor tells you “Stop playing, or stop walking. Your choice.”
i completely agree
just saying, may as well hold it for one of those 3 scenarios. nothing else worth using it on
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Yep. With no Brandon, suddenly that Amnesty provision is really not important
May as well keep it in your back pocket in case it’s needed later.
Yea, that's a good backup use
IF Brandon miraculously returned to another squad, it would absolutely cripple whatever rebuilding efforts we were making.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
If he opts out that would be better for us for sure
but it is nice to know we can still get the cap space back even if he doesn’t. Not a whole lot of other options for amnesty.
I could see us trading him
He’s a good player and has been a great boost, but I see them trading him. He can still play a solid role for a title contender, and I think he’s the ideal type of player to send to a veteran team as a last piece in return for some of their younger assets.
I say we send he and maybe Wes or Nic for a STUD
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
sad day for Blazer fans, but a brighter tomorrow for the team
it’s so sad for him to retire, I can’t imagine to have to give up what you love when you’re only 28 years old
This does, however, spare us in several ways. The team doesn’t have to make the decision to amnesty the face of the franchise, the fans don’t have to watch Brandon be cut and sold to the highest bidder, then watch him play for another team. Brandon gets to retire a Blazer, just how it should be
And now the Blazers are poised to sign a max-level deal with a very strong free agent class next year. I won’t start speculating on individual players, but we will be able to find a quality player to put next to LA.
While I’m incredibly deflated from this, I also think there is a renewed sense of optimism for the future of the team
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 AM PST reply actions
I think it's wrong that all that ESPN can talk about is what happened with Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM PST reply actions
Yes!
All day I’ve been watching SportsCenter and all day it’s about CP3 and a crappy Steelers vs. Browns game. BRoy updates are 10 seconds with no discussion or questions following. A damn shame.
Yes, one of the best Trail Blazers of all time just had to retire due to a medical condition
But we’ll be damned if the L@kers are prevented from having all the best players because mean ol’ David Stern is tired of them strongarming the rest of the league
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
He hasn't been seen on SportsCenter except for the scroll at the bottom.
A little frustrating to see. At this rate, we’ll have fans wondering where Brandon Roy is when the Blazers visit.
those are the big stars and the big markets, and the Paul veto is a big deal
i’m not surprised at all.
A player retiring from a small market team, even Brandon Roy, just isn’t the same level of headline
Don’t take it personal, everyone here is torn up about it but nationally it’s not that big of a deal
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
This small market vs big market stuff SUCKS.
Absolutely sucks. The fans in the big markets don’t care about their teams unless they’re perennial playoff teams.
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
They should really spend more time showing random Twitter talk from athletes
They don’t have enough of that.
Why can't I stop ranting about Sportscenter today?
“A Laker trade was canceled… let’s bring in a former Showtime Laker to see what he thinks about the Lakers losing a player! What do you think?”
“Well, I think it’s bad for the league when the Lakers don’t get the best players”
“I agree! Thanks for your insight!”
Because Sportscenter is friggin' retarded when it comes to the Lakers.
I know all the anchors are Laker fans and they do a really bad job of hiding it.
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Someone on OTL is actually making sense
He said that since the League owns the Hornets, Stern is in effect the “GM” of the Hornets and thus can veto whatever he darn well feels like
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
The CP3 story is monumental, regardless of market.
The tampering charge against the Nets over Dwight Howard is also a more buzzworthy story nationally.
"I Am Mine"
I really hope the league does not cave.
If they do you may as well declare Jerry Buss the new NBA commissioner because the Lakers are officially in control of that league at that point.
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
what happened with mythbusters?
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
oh wow, hadn't seen that.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
oh, I know
i meant I hadn’t “seen” the story
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
The better enforce the tampering charges against the Nets
If the reports are true.
Players should be free to leave through legal means, like the LA trade Stern just nixed.
But breaking the rules to force Orlando’s hand is exceptionally uncool. And I suspect the Nets, with their oligarch owner, will routinely flout the NBA’s rules if they don’t crack down now.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
prokhorov is one of only two north american pro team owners to have killed a man with their bare hands.
*it was 3, until georgia frontierre passed on. rip.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I agree with you here.
Tampering is a no-no, while Mikhail Prokhorov can’t be allowed to run amok.
"I Am Mine"
Interesting that Dwight Howard is denying it.
As an outspoken Christian, I wouldn’t expect him to lie (or hope that he wouldn’t, as a fellow Christian.. but I know these things happen). But we’ll see what happens.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 9, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
the roy story is the third biggest story on espn
behind paul, and howard trade pieces.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM PST reply actions
either they don't know, don't show,
or don’t care about what’s goin’ on in the hood.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
ha, did not see that RSR hit this already
quick, gotta be quick
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Holy crap. I have to say the whole deal with James Harrison hitting McCoy was scary.
McCoy doesn’t apparently even remember being hit. Of course ESPN is going to cry that the poor old Steelers can’t play defense anymore.
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 PM PST reply actions
19 points allowed in last 3 games
Granted, it was against browns and chiefs
66-0 baby
by thomasikehara on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
NFL takes precedence over the NBA.
Just like the NBA takes precedence over the NHL.
Deal with it.
"I Am Mine"
Yeah, that's true.
ESPN would report a lot more on hockey more if the NHL hadn’t signed on with the NBC Universal owned Versus.
"I Am Mine"
I'm a little hopeful NBC takes NBC Sports Network (aka the former Universal) seriously
A competitor to SportsCenter, that doesn’t suck, would be a start.
In a certain way
ESPN died the day they started getting their own game broadcasts. Not that they don’t do a decent job with it, but it certainly creates bias in their coverage.
I can't even fathom the Blazers without Roy.
He’s been everything to the Blazers since he got here. If he had to choose between family or killing himself with basketball, he made the right choice.
#7
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
Yeah, I know. Two years ago, I think we all assumed he'd retire with the franchise
except 10-12 years from now.
Miami Heat All-Star forward LeBron James writes on Twitter…
-——————————————
Please say it ain’t so. Brandon Roy retiring. Losing one of the best 2 guards in the league before he’s ready to go. So unfortunate man! SMH
I wonder if this means that they’ll stop showing that ad where Lebron blatantly goaltends a BRoy shot near the end of the game that would have tied or given the Blazers the lead.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 PM PST reply actions
That's the infamous Haier commercial. Pretty sure it's off the air now anyway
Funny, that’s what I know Haier for now. That one commercial.
Didn't Artest take some flak because he said Roy was the best player that he ever played against
and since Artest had played against Kobe AND LeBron by that point by extension that basically meant Artest was saying Roy was better than Kobe and LeBron :)
"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't Roy the 2nd best player?
After some playground guy from Queens Bridge who got stabbed to death by a table leg? Or am I mixing my Artest-isms up again?
Aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, caedi
by Occam's Blazer on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Stinks, but..
This stinks for BRoy from a bball standpoint, but more than anything I’m hoping that he can pull things back together mentally and live a positive, productive life moving forward.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 PM PST reply actions
Lots of options now
Hate to see Brandon go, and I was really looking forward to seeing what he had this year. However, this gives us options next year.
-Cap relief next year.
-Amnesty option on existing contract if we see a big injury. I would not part with anyone this year, the MLE isn’t worth the value of that Amensty chip.
-If Oden turns out to be worth it we have Bird rights and can make him a better offer than anyone else out there next season. Then if he get’s hurt down the road, we have the amnesty option as the get out out cap hell free card. It allows them to take the risk with Oden and use that Amnesty clause to cushion any catastrophe that comes from it. This assumes he would even sign, which I think he would. Why? Because he’s gambling that this season is going to be enough to push him into higher contract offers next year, showing us it’s about the money. And next season Portland will be able to offer him more money and more years than anyone else, and that’s the security he’s going to want on creaky knees.
I don’t think this kills us this year. Remember we ran with out Brandon for most of the season last year and did well. Matthews is now the guaranteed starter, LA is the man, and we have a better shooting PG, which was a major weak spot last year. Teams will not be able to double team off Felton like they could off Andre. The big question marks are C and Bench.
Would be even better if we get some medical exception contract option similar to the MLE. Either way they’ll use the smaller MLE to fill in at least one bench spot.
Even Oden doesn’t work out they have the big Brit to bring over and fill the center gap next season. And if Oden does work out they still could bring over Freeland to backup both PF and C. He’d get plenty of minutes off the bench at those positions.
Chances are this is part of the plan
I’m guessing Portland brass knew this was coming. They didn’t amnesty him because medical retirement provides them with many more long term options, and it saves them a ton of money right now.
could we even use the AC on oden if we were to sign him to a multi year deal?
i thought it only worked on contracts signed before the new cba.
Probably not.
Now that I think about it probably not, because it’s for any player prior to the new cba starting.
so only existing roster and contracts.
So junk all the Oden thoughts and instead see about medical exception like Houston used on Yao.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/2011/01/15/16901901.html
“The disabled player exception, granted to the Rockets per a report in the Houston Chronicle, will allow the team to either acquire a free agent or trade for a player that matches up to the mid-level player exception, which ranges to about $5.7 million. Houston has until January 31 to use the exception or it will expire.
The Rockets were granted the same exception after the 7-foot-6 center missed all of last season with a broken foot. Houston used the exception to acquire forward Trevor Ariza, which it later traded to New Orleans in the offseason."
Medical Exception
Yao’s exception came about a week after he had season ending surgery. Wonder if we’ll hear of Portland getting and exception that quickly.
So that would give Portland the two exceptions this year.
i have a strange feeling that Roy will not get the exception
just a hunch i have.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Roy is the Geoff Petrie of his generation
Now there’s an article for some aspiring blogger. (In a perfect world, Wayne Thompson would interview Geoff and Brandon.) It’s a shame there’s so little (any?) video of #45 doing his thing back in the day up on youtube
When reached 40+ years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yep, it's an amazing parallel. I'm so sad I haven't even felt like posting comments today.
It’s been a really depressing two days.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
There's no good way to say it
but it’s probably better that the lasting memory of Roy is the game 4 comeback, rather than to watch him limping off the court again
Sure it’s sad, but Brandon packed more great memories in his 5+ year career than most star players ever will in 10-15 seasons. As with Petrie in ‘75, the team moves on. We’ll have some positive news to talk about, soon enough.
When reached 40+ years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I am REALLY glad the Blazers don’t have to deal with a PR-mess in amnestying Roy now.
Anyone else feel this way? I just love what Roy is doing, despite feeling dismayed about never seeing him in red & black again. Smart move.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
I guess it's time to retire this handle. I refuse to declare a winner.
Classy move, Roy. You brought this franchise from its knees to the edge of its seat. I wish you many years of pain free walking, and sincerely thank you for your contributions to this city and this franchise.
Faith applied reasonably is practical magic.
by Matthews vs Roy... Fight! on Dec 9, 2011 12:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Retire
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100003195923193 please start the discusion. check out the FB page. I will accept Friends request all at once. There is many already
by retirebroysjersey on Dec 9, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
As inevitable as anything has been the last few weeks.
I would be surprised if tomorrow its announced Roy is taking part in the Slam Dunk competition.
I wonder what they'll have to say about it
and how early they knew about this. I would hope that Roy told the Blazers before the media got to it.
When Roy is ready to talk about this.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
Retire B. Roys Jersey
Some of you may disagree with me on this. Bobby Gross….That says it all. What Brandon did for the TB is ….Well you know. I would say that he is right next to Walton and Drexler. And the fact that he went out the way he did. At 27. Well he deservesthis sooner not later. Go to my facebook page….http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100003195923193 request as friend and start the discussion. Thanks….And Thank You Brandon Roy for making the Blazers respectable and feared again
by retirebroysjersey on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You know
I still wonder what it was that kept me awake past 1 AM that night of game 4 in Spain (I was on vacation) to watch the comeback, but I’m glad it did.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
There are so many great moments and so many good things to say about Roy. I don't even know where to begin.
Looking ahead, we are still going to have a great team next season. Now everyone will play through Aldridge. That is going to mean more team ball, less predictability. There is a silver lining in this. I’ m really going to miss Brandon Roy, but that doesn’t mean we can’t look at the bright side of this. No more depending on one guy to win the game for us down the stretch.
It’s strange, just last night I watched the game where Brandon tore his meniscus. That one play changed everything. If he hadn’t of stumbled while guarding Artest I wonder if he would still be playing now. That’s life though and we have to move on don’t we.
Something up over at Blazer TV
adambjaranson: Sorry for the delay everyone….but we are waiting on something VERY IMPORTANT before you see our mugs!!
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:15 PM PST reply actions
Nothing new
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't read that Oden signed the QO yet. Did Paul have a sleepless night making phone calls?
(Sorry I’m just trying to get my mind off Brandon).
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still hoping Paul changes his mind and fixes the Oden situation before it's too late.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Oden is such a tough call.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the org is struggling to make a decision, especially when the agents are pushing hard for probably 10M+ per season.
I'm just wondering if they called Oden's agent and want to negotiate more.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Very possible. But that may be overridden if he can get decent money now
And reduce his risk for lost long term earnings.
My gut says the same, but everyone has a price.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Oden's agent may have even leaked the QO signing yesterday just
to get the Blazers to up their long-term offer.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah douglas has been thinking that too.
Wouldn’t surprise me if it was a negotiating tactic.
Then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if OregonLive has an article announcing Oden signed the QO an hour from now.
I think I’m all surprised out.
There is a report
on yahoo sports right now saying the Lakers are back in talks for CP3 as you predicted yesterday.
Lakers will try to sweeten the deal and Stern will approve and get off the hook.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Good!
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, I hope they keep giving those pieces
it also means they won’t be able to trade for howard. without their ridiculous frontcourt, the lakers really have no chance of winning the championship. plus mike brown will be torn between which star player he lets coach the team
LOL
Dec. 8
Demps: “We’re getting Odom, Martin, Scola, Dragic and NY’s 1st round pick in 2012 for Chris Paul”
Stern: “Nope. I have to void that deal for the best interests of basketball”
Dec. 9
Demps: “We’re getting Odom, Martin, Scola, Dragic, NY’s 1st round pick in 2012 AND Devin Ebanks”
Stern: “Sounds good to me”
by Storyteller on Dec 9, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha!
That’s about right.
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Change it how?
PDX gets a chance to look at Oden and will have the money to make him the best offer to sign him long term if they want before next season. If he wants to take less money to play for the Cavs or Pacers or even less money to play for the Heat so be it.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
Waiting for the dominoes to fall.
Reflecting on how lucky we all were to witness what did from Roy when he was here. This must be hard for Blazer brass too. Roy is loved by all !! Give Roy Dickaus job PLEASE !!
just win baby !
Nothing at all. They are "locked out" from talking about B-Roy
I think they were waiting hoping to get a statement from Blazers but never got it. Could have been about Roy or something else.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is what pain feels like.
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
My biggest question is...
How big was the difference in what the Team doctors and Brandon’s Doctor were saying? If the team Doctors were saying everything is fine and you can start, and his own doc says to Brandon the team is nuts, and if he continues to play Brandon might not be able to WALK later in life…
I already had little faith in the team Docs. Now if something of this sort does happen to be true, makes you seriously think about a house cleaning.
thanks for your message
point taken. the claim is still valid, but perhaps too much for people to try and deal with today.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t think this is over. The league will not give him the medical exception, and the Blazers will then have to use the amnesty on Roy, and pay the salary themselves. Believe it.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Medical exception should be a given
if Roy opts for medical retirement. Not sure how they could refuse it.
Brandon’s doctor is biased. This needs to be corroborated by league doctors. The whole thing smells fishy. How did we get from Monday "Brandon feels great", to this, in a week, without one practice. Ask yourselves that.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Going against Brandon and his doctor would only exacerbate the current PR crisis the NBA
is stumbling around with. I can’t imagine they want anything else on their plate along with the CP3 and DH12 situations…and after a very tense lockout.
that's a great point
very possible that plays a role in this.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
It's Roys call
I can’t see the issue with this.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
I'd be surprised if an independent doctor would say Brandon is fit to play
If the current doctor is saying he can’t walk if he keeps playing, that’s pretty much the definition of how to get a contract off the books.
didn't they say the doctors said something like
he can play, but if does he won’t be able to walk later in life
Correct. And I'm not sure how far out "later" actually was.
I’m trying to find the most recent link about it, but it’s evading me right now.
There it is
Roy made this decision, one of the sources said, after meeting with doctors on Thursday. After evaluating Roy’s knees, which have been operated on six times and no longer have any cartilage, the doctor flatly told Roy he should no longer play.
"You can’t do this," the doctor told Roy, according to one of the sources. "You might end up not walking."
The words “degenerative knee condition” are not what you want to hear and keep playing in the NBA.
sure doesn't sound good that's for sure
again though, that is from brandon’s doctor. will be very interesting to see what the league doctor (from the same batch that cleared him come back the last time) say.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon's doctor is looking out for Brandon's best interest, not the team's
So that’s probably a sign Brandon is in really bad shape.
right
i’m not saying that brandon’s doctor is trying to get the blazers out of the contract. i’m saying that brandon’s doctor is now trying to get brandon out from being driven into the ground this year again by a team that (in my humble opinion) wants to ruin him so they don’t have to pay the contract. i understand that is a weighty claim, but that’s what i see going on here. brandon felt great monday → no amnesty/leaning toward starting him → brandon can’t play. again, in my opinion, from the way i saw brandon being rode last year (having to come out to the press (not the coach/organization) and say he needs less minutes, this explains that for me. again, weighty claim.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
you got some conspiracies flying around all over
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Dec 9, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so much respect
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/12/brandon-roy-retires-nba-player.html
game recognizes game.
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Dec 9, 2011 1:48 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think this weekend
I’ll be watching a lot of recorded games from 2007-2011. However, as someone whose left knee is shot, I can understand why Brandon is doing this.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
I hope the front office
Decides to hire Brandon as a development coach for the Blazers.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
ya
true, but im sure he can develop coaching skills.
he is already very personable, and the guys on the team will absolutely listen to him.
if he can just convey to wes/nic some tricks in scoring and help develop a killer instinct in LA, that would be good.
PHILLY!
I don't think Brandon will be around the Blazers much this year, it will take a while for this gaping wound in his life to heal
And I agree with Timmay, players as coaches are a crapshoot which is why you very rarely see high level players do well in that position
Give it a shot for a year
If it doesn’t work out, then at least you know…
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
I Love You BROY- Sorry this had to be the way it is. Thanks for everything.
Im reminded of a song by the Beatles:
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they’re here to stay.
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Suddenly,
I’m not half the man I used to be,
There’s a shadow hanging over me,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.
Why she had to go
I don’t know she wouldn’t say.
I said something wrong,
Now I long for yesterday.
Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play.
Now I need a place to hide away.
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Why she had to go
I don’t know she wouldn’t say.
I said something wrong,
Now I long for yesterday.
Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play.
Now I need a place to hide away.
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Mm mm mm mm mm mm mm.
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 9, 2011 1:58 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
How soon can we get the injured player exception?
I’m not sure if there’s much left available but it would be nice to have it handy along with the mini MLE just to give us a bit more to work with. If it’s something we won’t get until into the season then there will be no-one left worth giving 5 mil/yr to.
but you get still trade Barron, Babbitt, AJ, or CJ
in an imbalanced trade.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
I thought it could be used to sign or trade for a player
so one of us is wrong.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
per old CBA
it could be used for either, according to cbafaq.com (Larry Coon)
This exception can be used to sign a free agent, or to create room to accept a salary in trade.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Same
That would give us a little more flexibility. So we can use it kind of like a trade exception then?
Could also be used to claim a player on waivers under the old CBA
So my question is: Could a $5 million Disabled Player Exception be used to ‘bid’ up to $5 million on a player in the 2nd round of waivers in the amnesty program? I understand that the waived player could only have one year left on their contract, but….
saw this stat on s2
Roy and Oden played together 78 times. The Blazers went 50-28 in those games
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Dec 9, 2011 2:18 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That's a 52-53 win season
Which actually is basically what they did with Roy when he was healthy anyway. Not sure that number means anything, because that was roughly their record with and without Oden.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
Anything official???
On Roy retiring and Greg actually signing the QO? Or is this all speculation? Haven’t seen anything OFFICIAL.
by CaptainWhiskey on Dec 9, 2011 2:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm guessing the Blazers are silent because they are considering amnesty for Roy.
They are probably looking around at the free agents (who’s left?) and trying to figure out if the $5M MLE helps them. Then Roy would retire and insurance would pay off most of his contract. Amnesty now also saves them luxury tax on Oden’s contract, and they may be back negotiating with Oden’s agent today to keep him from taking the QO.
Seems like amnesty is the smart move now.
Conversely, if Roy simply retires now they still have to pay the tax this year but reserve the amnesty if (heaven forbid) something happened to LMA in the future.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:35 PM PST reply actions
if I was them, I'd save the amnesty.
Either way they still have to pay him. With him retiring they would get insurance $$. Can’t get that with amnesty.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
i guess in the end it's all about whether Paul cares about the dollars or the flexibility
if the cap/tax aspects are the same starting next summer, then it’s a question of A) does Portland want a full MLE and no tax this year, or would they rather save tens of millions over the following 3.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
It may depend on whether Oden will sign a long term deal.
Yesterday, they were at the luxury tax limit without Oden, so a long term deal for Oden cost more than 2x its sticker price. If they amnesty Roy they can pay Oden big bucks without paying any luxury tax. That makes finding an offer that Oden can’t refuse much cheaper today.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
They may be saving amnesty for Oden
If Oden has a good half year and the Blazers are forced to overpay to keep him, they may want that amnesty in case he reinjures himself.
My parents believed in me.
They can never use the amnesty on Oden. Only players now on the team.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Oden is now on the team
do you mean only for contracts currently on the books? If they extend a player already under contact, they can’t use amnesty on him?
My parents believed in me.
Oden is not on the team. He is a free agent. Can't use amnesty on him ever.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
regardless of the semantics, Oden is/will not be eligible for amnesty
contracts on the books as of July 1 only
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
And the player must have been on your team. i.e. can't amnesty a player received in a trade.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Did they not offer a 1 year qualifying offer
while he was still under contract? I thought he was accepting the 1 year deal and avoiding free agency.
My parents believed in me.
the contract doesn't exist until it's signed
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
And it would have had to be signed prior to July 1, not now.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Oden was a free-agent (restricted) the moment the Blazers made
the 1 year Qualifying Offer (that’s the point of the QO). He ceased to be “on the team” on July 1 when his previous contract expired.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
If they amnesty and then he retires they get both.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Because they have an insurance policy on him.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
The team could also save the amnesty if they wanted to pull off a big trade
Take on an ugly contract for a team that already used its amnesty as part of a deal and then bam, amnesty.
#52
No, you can't amnesty a player you get in a trade.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, that was clarified earlier this week.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
do you have a link handy?
that’s a shame, it would have opened up some interesting possibilities for teams that don’t have a strong amnesty candidate
#52
I think it was in Larry Coon's analysis. Give me a few minutes and I'll try to find it again.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
This one?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one
It doesn’t specify the player has to be on your team
#52
Not that one, the article just below.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
It was in this SI article, not Larry Coon
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/12/06/details-of-amnesty-provision-emerge/
The two sides have now reached a broad agreement on some of the thorniest questions, according to a source close to the talks. Some bullet points:
• Teams will not be able to use the amnesty provision on a player acquired in a trade going forward.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 9, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
A lot has been reported about insurance paying the remainder of his contract
after this season. However, I recall hearing that the Blazers were unable to insure his contract because of the condition of his knees. Does anyone know for certain if his contract is insured?
My parents believed in me.
been posted elsewhere that it did get insured
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
It's very quiet in Blazerland...
haven’t even heard anything about how practice is going…
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Does anyone remember when Brandon first got to Portland? I remember watching Good Day Oregon. Roy was just the newest Blazer
and the team was trying to repair its image. So Brandon was doing safety patrol for some school, helping old ladies and kids cross the street and such. Man that seems like it happened 10 years ago. Time really has flown by. I didn’t even know who this guy was until we beat Seattle in that opener. I bet a guy like Roy will land in Portland just that unexpectedly. Great things happen when you least expect it.
Retire #7 Petition
http://www.change.org/petitions/retire-brandon-roys-7
Please sign this folks, support a great cause to send Roy off right!
I am obviously in the extreme minority here, but
Didn’t Brandon Roy basically steal his max contract from this franchise?
He campaigned on the radio over the summer for a max deal, knowing full well that he no longer had any cartilage in his knees. This is not Brandon Roy putting the franchise, city or anyone else ahead of himself.
I respect his skill as a player and what he did for the franchise, in his first 3 years. But Brandon Roy was less than forthcoming about his medical condition and did what he needed to get paid.
One could argue that his contract rewarded him for his previous years of service and I could understand that to a degree. But if there was no amnesty, or medical retirement, Roy would have crippled this franchise for years.
My parents believed in me.
Does anyone else feel slighty lied to ?
I do. I just came to realize, almost everything they come out and tell us is usually lies. Just a few days ago everyone reported that BROY was fine, in great shape and ready to be a starter again. Today he is retired?! That means somebody somewhere wasnt telling us the truth. Even Crawford said he saw Roy play and he looked great. What gives? Why cant people just tell us the truth. Or if anything dont come out and say things are great when they arent.
I love Brandon Roy for what hes done for this franchise and as a player, and I dont want people to think other wise. I just wish this organization would get their crap together and stop saying things to us that arent true.
Call me negative but now im really worried about Greg Oden and what they keep telling us about him.
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 9, 2011 3:07 PM PST reply actions
I think the doctor probably gave him the news yesterday.
Otherwise he wouldn’t have bothered to show up for training camp.
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The NBA has officially allowed the Hornets
to continue looking for a trade for Chris Paul. Lets make our push, Paul:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6vzb5oh
I’d argue that Felton, Nolan Smith, Batum, Matthews, Elliot Williams & Camby(clears Okefor’s contract & gets them cap space next offseason) + our 2012 first round draft pick is a better deal then Odom, Scola, Dragic, Kevin Martin & Houston’s 2012 draft pick. Especially building a team going forward. Monty has experience with both the players we are sending too!
Paul Allen is the GM.
Why don't you send them LaMarcus and Gerald Wallace while you are at it?
by mattisnotfrench on Dec 9, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
because that is the entire reason Chris Paul would want to sign an extension
to stay here in Portland, to play with those guys.
Paul Allen is the GM.
This is, undeniably, a sad day. But I look on the one bright side.
My favorite MLB team (Kansas City) offered Gil Meche an expensive multiyear contract a few years back. However, Meche basically blew his arm out, and retired rather than take the full money of the contract because he did not feel it was the right thing to do. The Royals saved $11 million and were able to use it to rebuild, and are now one of the best young teams in baseball.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
don't want to pile on the bad news
but quick’s latest tweet about oden is pushing me over the edge
PHILLY!
awe, for crying out loud
obviously i found it
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 9, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 9, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Hey guys
as a Mavs fan, I just want to say I loved watching Brandon Roy play and it was terrible to see things go the way they did. In hindsight, I’m glad he got to have one more moment of absurd brilliance in that Game 4.
i tell the truth; i lie a lot
by jonthefon on Dec 9, 2011 4:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks.
I find it fitting that he got to go out in style against that year’s champion.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 9, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm quite sad about this.
I moved to Portland OR when I was 13 in 2005. Brandon Roy is the main reason I’m a huge Blazers fan today. Just such a joy to watch. Such a sad ending to his career but I think it’s for the best. Really been a roller coaster ever since hearing a few days ago that he might be the STARTER, and now he’s retiring. Thanks for all the memorys Mr. Roy “The Natural”, you will always be my favorite Blazer.
BRoy4Ever
My Blazers will never be the same. Thanks for everything Brandon Roy!!
BRoy4Ever
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