Reports: Hornets Trade Of Chris Paul To Lakers Killed By NBA
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that the New Orleans Hornets are closing in on a deal to send All-Star point guard Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. The Houston Rockets would be involved as facilitators.
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Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Pau Gasol to Rockets and Lamar Odom, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola to New Orleans, sources say.
It is likely that the Hornets will receive draft picks as part of a package for Paul, but source says: "Those are still being determined."
Update: A deal has been reached in principle to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, an executive in the three-team talks tells Yahoo! Sports.
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Update (6:06 PM): Marc Stein of ESPN.com reports that the deal is "off."
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Trade with Lakers will NOT go through Friday and Chris Paul is expected in Hornets camp, according to sources. It was not immediately clear, sources said, if three-way trade involving Hornets, Lakers and Rockets is merely snagged or in jeopardy. One source close to the three-team Chris Paul trade talks just told ESPN.com: "The deal is off."
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Wojnarowski now writes...
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NBA commissioner David Stern has killed the New Orleans Hornets’ trade of Chris Paul after several owners complained about the league-owned team dealing the All-Star point guard to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Some owners pushed Stern to demand the trade be nullified, and the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. A chorus of owners were irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency.
"The deal is off," a source involved in the talks told Y! Sports. "It’s dead."
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Sam Amick of SI.com obtained this statement from NBA spokesman Tim Frank: "Not true that owners killed the (3-team) deal. It wasn't even discussed at the Board meeting. League office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons."
The NBA bought back ownership control of the Hornets and has veto power over all personnel moves, although it had not exercised that power until Thursday.
Vote on the NBA's decision to kill the deal here.
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It's a great day to be a Blazer.
The Lakers get CP3 and Oden becomes an unrestricted free agent. Whoopee.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM PST reply actions
Actually, I'm pretty sure this means we're getting CP3.
too soon?
by Saba on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's never too soon.
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I'm actually less worried about Paul on the Lakers than many.
I’d rather see him there than New York.
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by T Darkstar on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
that's the problem
they still have Bynum, and he was the key piece in the Howard talks, with Odom gone I don’t know what else they’d include for Howard
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
They are going to get Howard
If not this season then next. Look at their salary situation. They set it up so they can now not pick up Bynum’s option and then sign Howard to a max deal. Then sign Chris Paul to a max deal after that. They will try and trade for Howard but its a foregone conclusion he will be a Laker by next year.
Not signing Oden to an extension would be a big mistake!!
wont CP3 have a 18 mil or so cap hold against their cap? If so I don't think they have enough to offer Howard
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, the cap hold will not allow that. If they Howard they need to do it by trade.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
^^ If they want Howard they need to do it by trade.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
150%
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
oh ok thanks
thats good news then. As even with using their amnesty they would be able to get Howard unless they use it on Kobe
Not signing Oden to an extension would be a big mistake!!
Actually I forgot Paul is maxed out. So the cap hold is limited to the max.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I can't believe it (ya, I guess I do)
Now I have to hate on CP3. What happened to the NBA I grew up loving?
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by blazinagain on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I think CP is kind of a jerk.
This just makes it easier to believe.
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 8, 2011 5:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hated Chris Paul before it was cool to hate Chris Paul
………..actually, I’m lying right now. ;)
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Odom perhaps, if we give up batum.
So Odom + Okefor for Batum + Camby(maybe draft picks)
I actually really like the sound of that deal, perhaps the Blazers were positioning themselves for this? Because I know New Orleans covets Batum.
Honestly? Lakers with Gasol + Odom or Lakers with CP3?
I’m not sure this new version is better…
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right away, maybe not
but it’s a good move medium to long term. Especially if they flip Bynum+ for Howard. Then they go forward around Paul/Howard, and milk as much as Kobe has left
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Well yeah, assuming Paul/Howard.
but it really wasn’t too long ago that everyone was sure that CP3’s knees were shot. I think there is definitely a possibility that this bites them.
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I think everyone takes that risk though.
But you’re right, it might not be as good as hoped.
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So what is their starting lineup now?
CP3
Kobester
Metta World Peace
?
Bynum
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
Paul, Kobe, minimum contract forwards, Howard
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who else will they send for Howard?
Wasn’t Odom part of that alleged deal? He would be gone for Paul in this scenario. Who would they send with Bynum to make the deal? I assume draft picks? But they also have to absorb Hedo so they’ll have to throw in salary
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that was the original idea
Bynum+Odom for Howard+Hedo. However, Odom and Gasol represent a ton of salary. They may be getting someone else in return; if not, they get a decent sized trade exception.
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I'd guess they would make a run at West with the mid-level
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Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Really. I've read dozens of posts on BE against making a deal for CP3.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
It's a good move.
But they pretty much have to dismantle their team to do it. Of course, if you have the opportunity, you take it.
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What's the + left, though?
Even if they take on Hedo’s salary, their cheapest way of doing that (for the Magic) involves taking on $23 million worth of Steve Blake and Luke Walton, so the Magic end up saving a whopping $12 million in total salary over just keeping Hedo and Dwight. Beyond cap relief, though, the Lakers have literally no assets remaining. I find it pretty hard to believe that would be enough to convince the Magic to trade him there, especially if the Bulls are making their supposed push with actual worthwhile assets to give back.
Mr. Peace?
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The ugliest contract of them all
I’m not sure why anyone in the league, particularly a rebuilding team like Orlando would be in that deal, would want Metta for three years and $20 million.
Yea, they have to get a better post presence
If they stop at Gasol+Odom for Paul, then they’re putting a lot of faith in Bynum.
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Hornets to get
Odom, Scola, Martin, Dragic
that’s a pretty good return I’d say.
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Indeed.
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Is that even a playoff team?
If you aren’t making he playoffs it is betterto bottom out.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think they've got decent players at the starting positions.
Dragic/Jack at PG
Martin at the 2
Odom at the 3
Scola at the 4
Okafor at the 5
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New Orelans must send someone else out to get Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom, and Luis Scola.
My guess is Trevor Ariza to the Houston Rockets.
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What are the rocket's getting here?
It looks like Gasol for Scola and Martin. That doesn’t seem to great to me. Sure one super star is better than two b-list stars, but we already know Gasol can’t carry a team by himself (grizzlies). Houston better be getting some draft picks too as otherwise they are getting hosed in this.
Houston wants a real center
since Yao went down that’s been their #1 issue.
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The Lakers will regret this trade.
It makes no sense to give up an all-star big and a near all-star big/wing for a PG with bad knees. I know Chris Paul is talented, but let’s check back in at the end of the season on this one. Pau and Lamar made that team dangerous. Kobe can be contained now that is is older. However, it was almost impossible to match up with their front line. Obviously getting Dwight Howard would make this look better, but I don’t think they have the assets to make that happen. Bynum is almost as badly damaged as Oden. Just my two cents.
look at ages too
Odom and Gasol are both entering the downsides of their careers. Kobe is getting up there too. This is about rebuilding on the fly and building the next iteration of the Lakers. Obviously landing Howard is the next key move. They’ll figure out a way to make it happen.
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The age arguement has some merit...
but look at the Celtics. They are still getting high level play out of their mid-30 core. I do respect that the Lakers are swinging for the fences rather than standing pat and declining. I just think that CP3’s health problems make this a bad bet. Remember that stretch he went through last year when he couldn’t make a shot and he was dragging that huge knee brace around the floor?
by Boomshakalaka on Dec 8, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think they'd part with Kobe to bring Howard in?
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I do agree that this rests heavily on the Lakers somehow, someway snagging Dwight Howard, too.
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They can't get Howard for Bynum + filler
that would be like getting Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown + filler…. Oh wait…
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
But...they traded Marc Gasol in that deal, which turned out to be a nice value.
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I was going to mention this but at the time
Marc Gasol was not the current Marc Gasol, he was drafted in the second round the year before, he was a big unknown
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was actually the prospect most people were talking about (not Marc Gasol)
and didn’t he end up out of basketball and recently murdered someone.
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
After seeing the Miami heat last season do this...
I’m kind of hoping the Lakers do get Howard. They’re giving away the farm. And yeah, you do it every time. But I think even with three allstars, they’re not as good as they were the seasons they won the championships.
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perhaps not, but I think they are looking a year or two out
They can always attract rotation players to fill out the roster – and they will. bench will be thin this year, but they’ll figure out a way to build around Paul/Howard/Kobe next summer.
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And hope Kobe and Paul keep on the floor.
But this is a good, yet risky move for them.
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OK, but how do they get Howard?
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They'll sell tickets and merchandising like nobody's business with that roster
Did we mention their new local TV deal pays them $200+ million a year, which is more than the Blazers entire budget?
If Los Angeles also gets Dwight Howard, it's set no matter what happens to Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul.
Now, with a present core of Bryant, Paul, and Andrew Bynum, the Lakers are susceptible to falling apart due to age and injury.
"I Am Mine"
Also, Bynum is a nutcase.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they're not getting Howard
not enough assets
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Wow.
So now they’re one bad knee away from being a borderline lottery team.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM PST reply actions
Long as the NBA is the owner of the Hornets..I smell a rat.
…and am not liking this one bit. Watch, now the Howard trade is gonna come off without a hitch, too, and the Magic are gonna get sweatsocks and Van Gundy’s expired Chipotle burrito card in the deal, and nothing else. Something’s not right, I can feel it.
GO BLAZURRRRS!
Lakers gave up quite a bit.
A starting all-star and the sixth man of the year candidate. It’s not like they gave nothing.
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Agreed
Elaborated on in my previous posts.
by Boomshakalaka on Dec 8, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
And they still have some stuff to offer for Howard, including the willingness to eat Hedo's contract.
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Yeah, but Gasol is 31 (and slightly overpaid/too expensive for their roster as constructed) and Odom is 32
Chris Paul is 26 and the best PG of his generation
He wore his knee brace, but looked fine after the surgery and rest
And had more than one great quarter in the playoffs
Roy, with one knee - had an epic season
apparently it takes two knees to knock out an All Star…
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
But I'd agree that an all-star and a fringe star is the best they'd get from just about any team
Unless they wanted very young unproven guys and picks only.
Everybody knows CP3 is leaving at the end of the season.
The fact that they’re getting so much for him now is pretty surprising. If they traded him for peanuts, then it would smell fishy, but honestly this sounds like a great deal for the Hornets given the circumstances.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
yeah, they got decent return
Scola, Martin, Odom, Dragic are all quality rotation players, 3 of them are quality starters. Not bad for a guy you are going to lose for certain.
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Though I bet the Lakers were one of his destinations.
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Well, obviously.
Lakers aren’t giving up Gasol/Odom for a 1-year rental of CP3.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
the Lakers aren't getting Howard
no assets to include other than Bynum
not happening
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
The have Steve Blake
and if I recall he got the Blazers All-star Jamal Magloire
I think they're from the same land as sugar pixies and frosted rainbow candy.
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FIRST PUJOLS THEN PAUL!
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They still don't have any NFL though!
So, HAH
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Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
so basically
in like 3 or 4 years, the Angels will have Pujols and probably another ring, the Lakers will have Kobe/Paul/Howard and likely another couple rings, and either the LA Jaguars or the LA Chargers will be christening their brand new state of the art NFL arena……
yeah, sucks to be LA
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Overcompensating for no NFL
basic LA psychosis…
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How does this work when the NBA owns the Hornets?
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
by llamaiguana on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The best part of this?
We can finally put a rest to the stupid “We can trade a bunch of bench players for CP3” posts!
by DrScience on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What?
I’m sure we can send Babbitt and filler down to the Lakers for Paul now.
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if we sweet talk them
I’m sure we can even get them to throw in Blakey just for good measure
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by Sean in Vancouver on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
The best part for me
is that Amare and Carmelo are still going to suck this year. I’ve never liked either of them, and together they are anti-synergy. Neither one is as good as generally accepted. The only thing that might have fixed it was a great PG.
will be interesting to see if they get Tyson Chandler
they’d overpay I’m sure, but he’d address many of their deficiencies
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yeah I wouldn't make this move...
As a blazer fan, I’m maybe more hesitant about shakey knees than most. But CP3 has Roy knees. And I’ve seen him lose his temper and do stupid stuff when its not going well for him. The L*kers are giving up a LOT of proven championship caliber talent. If Paul’s knee issues flare up and he’s not productive this could get very ugly.
Houston looks good though, scared of them a little bit…
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by Cap'n Crash on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Houston is apparently in the market for Nene as well.
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Moving Scola and Martin opened up the space for them to do this apparently?
At least from what I’m reading over at the Dream Shake site.
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but Scola and Martin were the ones who gave PDX trouble
Oden (hopefully) and LMA can just beast on Grandpasol and Nene
What I don't understand
Is why the Hornets would rather trade for veterans than players on their rookie scale contracts and high draft picks. Please help me out here. Are the Hornets even a playoff team after this deal? If you are going to suck then you should go all in and bottom out like the Sonics did.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 8, 2011 3:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Jack is the PGotF, obviously.
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by T Darkstar on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like there is likely some picks involved
outside of that, Scola, Martin, Odom are all high quality starters. They should absolutely be a playoff team.
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Martin, Scola, and Dragic are all still pretty young too
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Scola's the same age as Gasol
Martin turns 29 in February, even Dragic is 25. Combine that with Odom and Okafor, and we’re not exactly talking about a team with a ton of room to grow.
Scola's older than I thought
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yeah - you would think he is old enough to wash his own hair...
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I don't like it for Houston
Lakers Receive: Chris Paul
Hornets Receive: Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, and Kevin Martin
Rockets Receive: Pau Gasol
Scola + Martin > Gasol
Hornets got some good value in return for a player who was leaving anyway. Plus they’re supposedly getting draft picks. Not sure what their cap situation looks like but they could bring in Billups if New York goes through with their Chandler move.
First domino has fallen, should be interesting tomorrow.
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Depends if Houston now has enough space to land Nene.
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Gasol + Nene > Scola + Martin
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a quarter is better than two dimes and a nickle.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
a $2 bill and a pack of gum is better than two silver dollars and some pocket lint
wait, what?!
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Getting junk punched by chris paul is better than....
…. Getting junk punched by kermit washington…
" one thing I hate more than a L*ker, is TWO L*kers.... "
It's completely unfair that we get almost every bum knee in the NBA
but CP3’s ailing knees keep avoiding us somehow!
Paul Allen tweet
PaulGAllen Paul Allen
New NBA CBA in place as of this afternoon, camps open tom and games that count by Christmas. More Thoughts soon, talking FAs options now.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
yay! we get to spend that mini-mid level
to find a player to fill Oden’s role while he’s out rehabbing for the team that gets him healthy next season.
Now, I've got to start despising CP3 b/c he's a Laker.
After the whole “I want to be traded to either the Knicks or Lakers”, it shouldn’t be too hard.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Does this help
I can’ t the image to post but it is here:
http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2009/02/peekaboo-starring-mamba-and-cp3.html
what was the lockout all about, then?
I don’t get this. WHY have we been in a lockout all this time?
I love our team, but the fix is in. Oh wait…. IF we actually had a GM, maybe we would be in the mix for some of this talent…
SO FRUSTRATED
Money, it was apparently allll about the money
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 8, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
like henry abbott
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32703/the-nba-clings-to-a-fragile-position
i keep dancing on my own.
two things
A) it was always mostly about the money
B) those owner who truly wanted fundamental change in the sake of competitive balance were either too few to begin with, or completely caved along the way
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
GAAAAAAHHHHH
Looks like the L*kers are going to be a power house team for the foreseeable future, especially if they land Howard (which they will). So much for any title hopes for the Blazers at any point soon
I blame all of you for this.
It’s negative karma for months and months of terrible Chris Paul to PDX jokes.
I hope you’re proud of yourselves.
I, for one, am.
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by T Darkstar on Dec 8, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Part of the Clippers secret plan
to force a LAL/PDX merger.
Seems legit.
League contraction and Lakers are the first to go followed by the Celtics
We get CP3 in contraction draft
If Howard makes it to LA for their scraps
I am heading immediately to the NBA Offices with my tent and starting a Occupy the NBA movement.
The Big Occupier was way ahead of you
(This was a Shaq camping in the lane joke way back in the day by brandon mitchell I think)
by Norsktroll on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
I don't think CP3 and Kobe are an ideal pair
both guys need to have the ball in their hands to be effective, Kobe can post up now so that helps a little there, but I don’t think this is a great move for the L*kers. They’ve now given up the strength of their team, which was their size, other than Bynum they are not going to be very big.
today's conversation:
“Thanks, David!”
“Anytime, Jerry. See you guys in June!”
by Saba on Dec 8, 2011 4:09 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
You guys are forgetting that Bynum is suspended for 5 games
Lakers are gonna get spanked, starting lineup of
CP3
Kobe
Metta
??
??
that's right, and if Bynum gets injured
this team is going to be terrible
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Kobe's knees are wearing down fast, and Chris Paul's knees are going the Brandon Roy route. Also Artest is getting old.
I want this to back fire so badly.
How long till Chloe file for divorce
from Odom? He’s no longer a Laker and New Orleans is a long way from LA
OMG I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT
code red code red
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
this was one of the first things I thought of when I saw the trade announced.
sadly, this is the level to which living in LA has deteriorated my brain and sense of right and wrong.
I would actually predict Odashian stays together for at least a while longer. Those two share some odd but genuine connection… Ok, shoot me now, please.
So much for length on the L*kers.
The only legit big they have now is a injury prone headcase,
I am rooting for LA to get Howard
Because that FAARRRRR better than Oden playing 50 games this year, helping POR into the WCF (loosing to the Lakers), then signing with the Lakers next summer and winning multiple championships there. Don’t forget, Oden has been rehabbing in LA.
That would be the new threshold of torture the next Geneva convention will have to outlaw.
Two months ago, I ran into Oden in a Vegas club.
He said that he was, in fact, training in LA but that LA, like Vegas, quickly becomes overwhelming and tiresome (or words to that effect). He sounded very genuine on this point.
I think Oden is more comfortable in smaller towns.
by Saba on Dec 8, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That would be a nice change from most NBA players
Hopefully the first half of my scenario plays out, and he’s happy to stay in POR.
by Royal_Coachman on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
When I asked him about staying in Portland,
He sort of hedged around. To give him an easy out, I said “It’s a business” and he gladly repeated that good old cliche, but added that he’s really grateful to the city and fan base for all their support.
BTW, (judging from a 3-minute conversation), Oden seems incredibly genuine, humble, and like an all-around good guy.
smaller towns like Vegas apparently
don’t let the Maloofs leave Sacremento!
Carpe the... Season man !
Los Angeles is losing Gasol & Odom, to two seperate West teams.
Chandler appears to be heading to NY now that Paul is likely off the table.
Duncan & San Antone don’t have a center…
LaMarcus, your chance to show your an All-Star & franchise cornerstone.
Good call.
Amare gone
Duncan a year older
Gasol gone
Odom gone
Obviously, Blake Griffin is an automatic all star add, but there is definitely lots of room for LMA on that all star team.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
true
and I expect LaMar Odom to revert to the role he played with the Clippers back in the day, because IDK who else they have who can run the point.
Gasol w/Houston is an odd fit in my mind.
ah yeah, whoops.
Still, can’t hurt, right? They won’t be on national TV every other day.
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
hmmm good point
although since Gasol and Odom are both still in the west, i’m not sure how much it’ll help his chances, but it two quality forwards leaving the LA spotlight couldnt possibly hurt
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Dec 8, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Via ESPN at 4:09
The Los Angeles Lakers have agreed to surrender Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom in a trade for New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul, sources tell ESPN.com’s Marc Stein.
Sources close to the process tell Stein that the Houston Rockets remain part of the talks and are trying to complete a deal that would send Gasol in Houston and the Rockets’ Luis Scola, Kevin Martin and Goran Dragic to New Orleans along with Odom.
In Paul, the Lakers would be getting an All-Star and U.S. Olympic Team member who has averaged 37.1 minutes, 18.7 points and 9.9 assists per game in his six seasons.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
by thankyouforblaze on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM PST reply actions
Im confused
this seems like a good deal for the Hornets, a PG with his best years behind him, for two very good players. Odom and Pau would make Hornets a very strong team… though they would need to get a PG somewhere…
The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!
It’s a 3 team deal involving Hou. Pay goes to Houston and NO gets Martin, Scola and Odom.
by vanillagorrila on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think this is a good trade for the blazers. LA is going to have some stellar games against the Lake show. If we play them in the playoffs I’d give 20:1 odds that the Blazers would win that series. That’s as long as the Lakers don’t get Howard.
by vanillagorrila on Dec 8, 2011 4:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Um. Can we lock that rate in?
"If you type two spaces after a period, you're doing it wrong."
by joelor on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It would be hilarious if CP3 didn't re-sign with them
I can only hope..
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Kobe's not getting younger
I don’t see Paul wanting to lock himself to Kobe for the long term unless Howard is part of the team also.
Worst part is...
If they don’t get Howard, you know they’re coming for Oden…
if they dont get Howard
it means they still have Bynum, Im not sure they would want two perpetually broken centers
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 8, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Am I the only one who doesn't understand this trade for Houston?
Why would you want a monster contract, rapidly aging Gasol when in reality you should be looking to offload Scola and Martin for picks and build through the draft.
Also, I hate the Lakers.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
Kevin McHale might be following through on my idea
to land Pau Gasol on a team with cap room(the Rockets have it in spades), then sign Marc Gasol. Then they could even still give the MLE to Chuck Hayes & bring him back.
that would be cool to see the Gasol brothers playing next to each other
I might have to get LPBB if that happens
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
It would indeed.
Its a smart move, that will allow them to ease Markieff Morris & Donatas Montiejunas into the NBA. Houston might own the most impressive stable of frontcourt tables after things all shake out.
rox have 49m on the books this year
the trade shouldn’t change that significantly. That’s not nearly enough cap room to make an offer for Marc that Memphis won’t match. You also can’t use cap space and the MLE in the same season.
i keep dancing on my own.
While your right as of now
If you look closely at the Rockets roster, they can be one more trade of making it completely possible, in a completely realistic trade scenario, take a look:
http://storytellerscontracts.com/ – Look at 4 specific players on the Rockets:
Hasheem Thabeet
Johnny Flynn
Terrence Williams
Jordan Hill
All four have team options in the epic 2012 free agency year, exercising them gives the team 14$ Million in free’d up cap space. However the Rockets aren’t likely to land a Howard or Paul, so I think they will make their push for their foundation franchise this year. The Brooklyn Nets however, are very interested in cap space for 2012, so those for players in return for Damian James, a rookie scale player. This would put the Rockets in Marc Gasol territory. Those players clearly aren’t anything special either, not much of a loss. Though it is a huge gain for both the Nets & Rockets!
The reason the Rockets do
I think this makes a lot of sense for Houston
Houston is packed with role players but no focal point. Remember, Gasol was the best player on a 50 win team in Memphis so he can lead a good team. Add him to Lowry, Buddinger, Courtney Lee, and their various large young guys and they could be pretty good. It’s a decent stab even if they won’t win it all as constructed.
i keep dancing on my own.
The salaries as of now don't add up
New Orleans will have to send out Trevor Ariza who would return to LA or Houston + Jarrett Jack, if not they would have to give up Emeka Okefor in the deal.
isnt NO way under the cap
so I don’t think that matters
Not signing Oden to an extension would be a big mistake!!
I forgot that.
Makes it a lot easier to make trades, and open cap space.
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Trade Machine never lies
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=83xemej
However, it hasn’t been updated for the 150% figure as opposed to 125%.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I didn't know he was involved
Where’s he going? Please don’t say LA…..
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Doesn't this change the team's identity?
The Lakers thrived on their size and length. Without Odom and Gasol the entire dynamic changes. They aren’t as imposing inside (unless they pull the Howard trade), and now have to start a bad tempered and unproven center alongside whoever they have left at the 4, a nutcase in Artest (er, Peace), a worn down Kobe and a somewhat injury prone Paul.
Sounds more like an enigma of a lineup than a championship one.
its because
they are going after Howard now. If they can’t trade for him, they will have enough cap space to sign him to a max deal when he is a free agent next year. Howard will be a laker
Not signing Oden to an extension would be a big mistake!!
How will they have enough cap space?
$28m for Kobe + $18m for Paul leaves around $12-14m in cap space. So even if they somehow dumped the rest of their players under contract next year (Artest, Walton, Blake, Fisher), and we don’t count cap holds or rookies, then they still wouldn’t have enough to land Howard unless he takes a big haircut. Am I missing something?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
14m would be fine
No problem Howard would take that, just like Miami’s big 3 did. Plus Howard in LA will have plenty of money making opportunities. I just hope he embarrasses himself with something like Kazaam or Steel if he does go to LA
I expect they will.
But they’ll have to get a third team involved.
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he doesn't not have trade value
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
More trade value than Oden
But not nearly enough to bag Dwight.
by Jonathan Wright on Dec 8, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
I still think the Clippers can offer the best deal for Paul.
Chris Kaman EC, Eric Bledsoe, Al Faroq Aminu, 2012 Wolves pick and 2014 Clippers pick = better long term building blocks than Martin, Odom and Scola. New Orleans needs a rebuild after losing Paul, not a retool.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
I didn't like the Clips offer
if there’s no Eric Gordon in the deal. The first round pick is a solid asset, but it might not even be that valuable or it might be the first overall pick. Aminu and Bledsoe aren’t building blocks for trading for a superstar, I just never took this deal seriously. I thoght the Blazers could have made a better offer.
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised no one said...
CONSPIRACY?!?
NBA owns the Hornets & they trade away Paul for… That?.. Uh. Fishy. Very Derek Fishy.
by 420Phenom on Dec 8, 2011 4:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I had forgotten this fact
This is why they need to get NO out from league ownership ASAP.
I hope this backfires.
So I can actually enjoy watching the NBA play-offs instead of being mad at the LAL the entire time.
I’m not sure which angers me more, the Lakers landing CP3 (and likely Howard sooner or later) or the fact that this lockout did little to restore competitive balance in the long run. The rich will continue getting richer until an actual HARD cap is introduced. Yay for watching the same half a dozen teams in the finals for the next decade!
..and I do smell a rat. The NBA are approving this deal as the Hornets have no owner. How badly does David Stern want to see a Lakers vs. Heat NBA Finals before Kobe is rendered useless? How long have pundits been talking about who’s better, Kobe or LeBron? The league want it to happen so badly they can taste it now.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
That's how you take Hedo.
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I show the second one to be just under $2.4 million
In other words, the difference between Gasol’s contract and Paul’s.
so...
…can we shed cap… and sign billups?
"Have no fear of perfection--you'll never reach it."
---Salvador Dali
This is so unfair. At least Chris Paul's knees are not what they used to be. Hopefully the Lakers front court doesn't recover.
If they get a star quality big then it’s over until Kobe retires.
Teams are just getting robbed right now for going after superstars.
The lakers aren’t going to do well at all if they don’t get Dwight, and chances are they won’t this year.
No way Orlando accepts Bynum when they can get better offers from other teams, so I’m pretty sure the lakers won’t get past the first few rounds of playoffs, especially with mike brown coaching. If they don’t do well this year, there’s a decent chance Chris paul will leave too, so the lakers just gave up their front court for nothing.
This is actually great.
As long as Orlando doesn't accept Bynum for Dwight, then the lakers can't win it this year
And I think Orlando can get much better offers than that for the best center in the league, and looks like they haven’t been jumping to trade right off the bat. Also, I’m pretty sure mike brown won’t do that well handling all these volatile egos in the locker room.
CP will most likely re-sign because LA will always have to the draw to acquire superstar talent.
I’m nearly sure of it.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
I find this completely unfair and really dissuades me from wanting to watch the NBA.
It’s obvious their was no improvement upon the CBA, limiting player movement and increased competitive balance.
Players have found a loophole and it’s working to some degree…
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
until they get Dwight Howard I don't think this makes the Lakers a better team
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Dec 8, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So either:
1) NOH sends out another player to clear enough room for all 4 players
or
2) The league really does let it go through as 2 separate deals
Deal #1: After renouncing their free agents, NOH uses cap space to get Gasol and Odom for Paul
Deal #2: NOH trades Gasol to HOU for Martin, Scola and Dragic using the Traded Player Exception (ie, the 150% + $100,000 rule)
If it's the second option
the league might require a day or two in between. Requiring Gasol and Odom to get physicals, etc. before clearing Gasol to be traded again.
so would they have to wait for all that
to get their trade exceptions to potentially take on Hedo’s corpse
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 8, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
I guess it wouldnt since deal 1 is the only trade involving the Lakers
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 8, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Where's Hedo fit into this deal?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
If this happens as two seperate trades, I'd look at that as favoritism.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
To where though?
Seattle really should get someone with cash to start up on an arena already, because they could really take advantage of all these teams struggling to get an audience.
Poor Monty
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 8, 2011 5:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
So the new CBA still doesn't make things fair. Big market teams gets the stars off of small market teams. Small market teams
get to develop the stars but those stars only get to win if they play for LA or Boston. Great.
Oh yeah the changes intended to make things fair were like the first to go.
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 8, 2011 5:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They will ask for Batum + Camby
Once upon a time, I would have pulled the trigger. Now I am a little wary of it, would have to include their season bombing completely & including their first round pick
I miss the lockout
NBA fans got trolled
Fan of Portland Trail Blazers, Denver Broncos, and Portland Timbers
well
NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell Y! Sports.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
by thankyouforblaze on Dec 8, 2011 5:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's absolutely hilarious
I can’t imagine why they’re mad. They just had a lockout to reduce the ability to set up superpowers in major markets, then an NBA-owned team works out a trade that coincidentally sends All-Stars to two major population centers, one of which is replacing their retiring superstar and really doesn’t have that much of true value.
Shocking.
trollolol
Marc Stein: Trade with Lakers will NOT go through Friday and Chris Paul is expected in Hornets camp, according to sources
by Saba on Dec 8, 2011 5:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Owners
are absolutly livid about this trade!!!
by john_thomas_taylor on Dec 8, 2011 5:58 PM PST reply actions
How do you know?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Lamar Odom doesn't fit in New Orleans
But he does fit like a glove in Portland as the reserve forward, much better then Batum… Who’s upside & potential would do well for a rebuilding club who can make him one of their main pieces.
They get Camby, we get Okefor.
Felton/Smith
Roy/Matthews
Wallace/Odom/Babbitt
Aldridge/Odom/CJ
Okefor/Oden/Odom/CJ
YES PLEASE. I LIKE THAT.
by 420Phenom on Dec 8, 2011 5:59 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
What?
Why? I love Odom’s game & I think he would be dead set on making LA pay for trading him & show his value.
It doesn't work
It does if we send Email, CJ, and Barron out, though. Or Babbitt.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
The NBA is now pushing New Orleans GM Dell Demps to pull the plug on the trade and keep Chris Paul, league sources tell Y! Sports.
http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
lakersground
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PHILLY!
What's getting more attention this or Oden signing the QO and becoming a RFA...?
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
who's on first?
Marc Stein:
It was not immediately clear, sources said, if three-way trade involving Hornets, Lakers and Rockets is merely snagged or in jeopardy.
Who knows
maybe they will take exception to “ALMOST” being traded and still crash and burn!
by john_thomas_taylor on Dec 8, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Mike brown is no Phil Jackson as far as handling egos go,
So things could get out of hand pretty quickly
I could see Gasol and Odom both checking out this year,
CRASH AND BURN BABY!
Now that the NFL season is over... GO BLAZERS!!!
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
ROFL
I do feel a little for him though
Now that the NFL season is over... GO BLAZERS!!!
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not that bummed we aren't getting him or that he's been traded to a west coast foe
I just hate that he’s going to that team. How easy is it to be a lakers fan? You always make the playoffs, you don’t have to learn who’s on the team except for a couple guys, heck you don’t even have to follow the team until the post season. Then you get to be a smug jerk telling everybody else how much they suck. Never having to suffer through lost seasons rooting for third stringers who shouldn’t even see the court because if things aren’t working out with your current superstars, there’s another crop of superstars just drooling to don the purple and gold.
I hate the freaking lakers, I hate them way more than I should care about anything so trivial as sports should make me hate.
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
well then REJOICE
the deal is off!
awoj tweeted…
“The deal is off,” a source involved in the talks tells Y! Sports. “It’s dead.”
Now that the NFL season is over... GO BLAZERS!!!
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Huzzahhh!!!
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like deal is off
Honestly it wasn’t THAT lopsided of a trade.
Not off, just opposed by the owners
Everyone is blowing Stein’s report out of proportion.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Woj is reporting sources say its completely dead
and the players have been told to report to their original teams tomorrow
by Peteyhasnohead on Dec 8, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
I think the deal is dead
AWoj just tweeted the deal is dead
Now that the NFL season is over... GO BLAZERS!!!
by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
THE WICKED WITCH IS DEAD!
This is how we get CP3
If the rumors that NBA owners were outraged and killed this deal
Then that is absolutely ridiculous. The guy is GONE next year, they need to get what they can for him now and it sounds like NOLA had a good deal.
I do hate the Lakers though.
Hooray owners!
I hate the Lakers.
He’ll get traded somewhere else.
by Royal_Coachman on Dec 8, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
What else are they gonna get for CP3?
I don’t think there’s a better deal out there for them.
Clippers can offer expiring contracts, young players on rookie scale contracts...
And the wolves 2012 pick which for all we know could go #1 plus the clippers 2014 1st rounder. I’m a big supporter of when you’re losing your star player, you go for picks, young guys and expiring contracts, build through the draft, don’t retool on the fly. New Orleans is in no position to retool.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
Clippers have to throw in Gordon
without him, the deal is undewhelming.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Even without Gordon
I still think it makes more sense than the Martin/Scola/Odom Pupu platter. What’s the long term vision for that core? All are under contract for the foreseeable future, so you don’t gain flexibility. In 2 years Scola and Odom will probably start declining rapidly and Martin will be hitting the dreaded early 30’s where non-Ray Allen/Kobe Bryant shooting guards go to die, and then you’re back to square one.
At least with the Clippers deal you’ll get 2 high lotto picks in one of the more stacked drafts in recent memory, along with some solid prospects to build around (some combo of Aminu, Bledsoe, and Jordan) AND a chance to clear some salary. While it would be noticeably worse this year, I’d much rather have that roster for the next 3-5 years than the one from the Lakers/Rockets deal. Of course, if you get Gordon, all the better.
What if you don’t rate Aminu and Bledsoe, who really did suck last year (sure they were young, but still)? That doesn’t really amount to much.
i keep dancing on my own.
I'd still rather have that in two years
than a mid-30’s Odom and Scola along with an early 30’s Kevin Martin. Heck, two out of Jared Sullinger/Harrison Barnes/Michael Gilchrist/Terrence Jones (or better) along with a boatload of cap space is preferable to those three guys going forward.
Sure, you make the playoffs with that deal this year, but it’s only downhill from there. At that point you have a mediocre roster where every single major contributor is on the downside of his career.
I doubt they trade Jordan either.
Gordon, Griffin, & Jordan is the clippers core going forward.
Wow.
This has been an exhausting day.
And tomorrow is when the deals actually begin!
by Timmay! on Dec 8, 2011 6:22 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
It appears deals are done today, announced tomorrow.
Yes, and now the day got strange as well. Has the commish ever killed a trade before because some owners didn’t like it? That’s got to be a first.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose a cynical person would think Stern is just making sure NY gets CP3 eventually.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
I can't imagine Stern would have a problem with CP3 in LA
Reports have stated that Stern had a fun meeting with a bunch of angry owners this evening.
if they sign Chandler they almost have no chance at getting CP3
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
unique situation of the Hornets being league-owned
hard to see that happening if the team had a normal owner.
also, this only happened because it was the Lakers. If the trade was the the Warriors, Clippers, or anyone else, this would have gone down.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Now that is something I can take a little solace in.
A steaming pile of L@ker-bots stewing in their own juices.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
The Clips trade still makes the most sense for NO
it gives them expiring salary and at least 1 likely lotto draft pick
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
The clips aren't getting rid of Gordon
So I don’t see what they could seriously offer them.
If the clips throw in Eric Gordon, I'd agree
without Eric Gordon it’s a pretty bad offer
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if the league would have been able to kill the trade if they didn't own the Hornets
Hypothetically, I know they could, since the NBA is a monopoly. But I wonder if they would have had the internal leverage to do this to, say, and Dwight Howard trade.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
ESPN just discussed that very topic
And the answer is indeed, “no, this was a perfect storm of events”. The events of the lockout, combined with the owners talking to Stern since the NBA owns NO.
BUT MOMMMYYYYYYYY
I WAAAANTED CP333333333333!!!!!!!
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
by gtbassett on Dec 8, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
dude his team has a total of like 6 or 7 players including him
Hes stuck it out there long enough—Not sayin I want him to go to LAL—just sayin he doesnt even have a team in NO, its pathetic. Why should he stay? His teams fanbase was destroyed by a massive hurricaine-twice! They have hardly rebuilt their infrustructure down there, not to mention cleaned up the giant mess of destruction and mold. IMO they need to move the team outta there. I still respect him, and regardless, this is a business and most teams have no loyalty when it comes to players.
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
the NBA needs to give up on NO
and ship the Hornets to Seattle
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
by Biph on Dec 8, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Make this green.
And somebody gets one of Steve Ballmer’s flunkies over here to read this.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
The bad news in all this is that the L*kers again have a realistic chance at Dwight Howard
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They had a realistic chance with or without this trade
Even with this trade, they had Bynum and other assets.
read Royster's comment up thread
besides Bynum, the Lakers do not have a single player who is worth more than he’s paid. They have no other assets without Gasol and Odom.
i keep dancing on my own.
I have no doubt the Lakers could find a way
Possibly even getting him as a free agent, like they did Shaq.
still think the heat should offer Wade and Bosh for Howard
and filler. That would be the PR toxic waste dump of the century.
i keep dancing on my own.
Honestly, that's a pretty good trade for the Heat.
Everyone would be scared and laughing at the same time.
I'd trade Howard for LeBron
the Heat would be unstoppable
PG Doesn’t Matter
SG Wade
SF Battier
PF Bosh
C Howard
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Heck, if I run the Heat I'd try to see if I could make them throw in Jameer Nelson
they won’t get a better offer
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
No way you trade LeBron who’s bigger, younger, healthier and better than Wade.
i keep dancing on my own.
If I could Howard for just Wade I'd do that
I don’t think ORL would do that, maybe they would…
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
im sure it was plan B
only time will tell tho
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 8, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
Howard makes them like the old LAL team duo of Kobe and Shaq. Kobe knows how to win with a superstar center.
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
If they made this trade they basically could have offered Bynum for Howard
I’d be shocked if Orlando would do that. Bynum has only 2 years on his deal, is injury prone and isn’t even close to being Dwight.
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just imagining officer Pike pepper-spraying this trade in the face.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
How many owners does it take to run the internal ops of the Hornets now?
we know their governor and management is totally toothless.
i keep dancing on my own.
Cp3 to LA or not
Nba should have never taken on the Hornets. It’s just as ridiculous that they block this trade then if they allowed it to happen.
by Ansible on Dec 8, 2011 6:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
They had no choice
The Hornets franchise had no buyer. If the NBA didn’t step in, the franchise would have probably collapsed. It was an ugly situation.
that was in large part because of the NBA
who wouldn’t let the team to be moved
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
Apparently the Hornets GM is not taking this very well
looking at the trade from the Hornets perspective it wasn’t a bad deal for them at all. As much as I hate the L*kers I have to admit the league should not have blocked the deal.
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the deal wasn't bad at all
it was killed because it was the Lakers, plain and simple. and honestly, I’m fine with that. It just looks awfully bad from a PR persective to have a league-owned team shipping a top 10 player to the Lakers.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Not to mention finding a way to get population-heavy Houston an All-Star player to replace Yao Ming
It would probably be good for the NBA, but it looks bad in practice.
Seriously, how can he?
This is the best deal he’s going to get, and it was killed by opportunistic politics?
I know GM is a coveted position, but how do you not resign when the NBA has removed your stones to appease a bunch of whiny billionaires?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 8, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Great thing about being a Blazers fan...
We never have to worry about this happening to us. The worst burn we got is from Hedo.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
sleeping with the enemy
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I would never ever trade with the Lakers. Can’t stand them. In fact, I can’t stand Californians in general. However, I’d be willing to make an exception just this once. We know now that the league killed the trade offer on the table but let’s face it, the Lakers are gonna end up with Paul and Howard one way or another. If they can’t trade for them the next step is to simply dump salary so they can sign them outright. Offer Marcus Camby for Pau Gasol.
Maybe not for Camby alone
But if they want Paul and Howard bad enough they’ll have to do something. The only option is dumping salary. Get ’er done Chad
I'm thinking it's because Hornets are league owned
If it was the Magic for example they couldn’t do it.
by neutroticblazerfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
the 29 NBA owners collectively own the Hornets
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
ESPN noted that while that's true, the owners have no control over NO's decisions
They said the trade was killed because the owners basically did the equivalent of grabbing megaphones, yelling at Stern, then bonking them over his head. But they didn’t actually have a vote in the transaction or anything.
Just figured that was a distinction worth noting.
Well I'm glad they did
However irrational it is.
by neutroticblazerfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
I guess we conclude the NO GM (and other team executives) reports to Stern?
That would seem to give him the legal power to kill the trade or anything else NO management wants to do.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the league can kill any trade they want if they think it's bad for the league
a provision that is basically never used, but I understand it has been there.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
because
The NBA owns the Hornets if the trade did not involve the hornets, no one could say shizznit!
by john_thomas_taylor on Dec 8, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Anonymity of the Internet + One of the most spoiled fanbases in all of sports
by neutroticblazerfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
And water is wet.
LaMarcus has to raise his level of play. Last year he pretty much became the go-to guy for us. Nothing changes, we are certainly going to stay in that direction. - Nate McMillan
Im usually very generous to the spare changing bums--ill start with that
But to night a bum actually asked me to “borrow” 15 cents.(which was weird because ive never been hit for a specific amount, especially one so little) 99 times out of 100 id hook him or anyone up. But this dude had a L*kers jacket and L*kers beanie on as well. Denied. He got NADA!
Im troubled by my shame at not helping him but glee at being able to deny 1 stinkin LA fan 15 cents.
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 8, 2011 6:54 PM PST reply actions
I like to hold out a $20
and ask the bum if they believe in god, when they say yes I say wrong answer and snatch the 20 back. I’m cool like that.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
by Biph on Dec 8, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thats awful.
not even funny, if thats what you were going for.
try to be a human being in the future instead of the part of human anatomy that most people can’t see but they can smell.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
by thankyouforblaze on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
it is funny
no bums were harmed in the telling of this joke.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
The Clippers trade makes more sense
NO would get a likely lotto pick (Clips 1st round pick from Minny) to go with their likely lotto, plus at least 2 picks of the Clips picks which would be a Griffin or Paul injury away from the lotto , shed 20 million in salary over 2 seasons and get a possible PGOTF in Bledsoe.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
I love how David Stern was totally willing to sell out on the main principal used to justify the NBA's bargaining poisiton for the new CBA,
and the people he represents wouldn’t let him.
Seems more like the owners told (ordered?) Stern to ignore the CBA they just approved today.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
seems like both of you are correct.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Here's the headline from the L*ker's blog front page
Craven Owners Kill CP3 Deal, Expose David Stern As Flaccid, Powerless Monkey
Keep it classy Los Angeles
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 7:10 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
classless? yes
also, best headline ever
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
They get extra cred for using vocab words.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
CP3 is discussing his legal options with Billy Hunter
per Chris Broussard.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yeah, if this violates the CBA it is going to get really wild. Like Anti-trust wild.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
they cant stop a legl trade can they?
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 8, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
well they own the team an owner can veto any trade he/she wants
I don’t really see how CP3 is going to win, but what do I know…
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by billsfan4life on Dec 8, 2011 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt they can get an injunction to force the trade.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
So yeah, this could go one for a long time. First day of the new CBA, wow!
So much for kiss and make up!
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 8, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
is this situation the first time this has ever happened
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 8, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Trades have been killed before I believe, but this is a very unique situation
BTW there’s a new post up on the front page to continue the conversation.
no wonder LA fans are pissed right noww
Imagine reading the deal went thru and then a while later realizing it didnt! Thats enough to make those people riot! I mean they riot at the drop of a hat down there, im sure somethins gettin burned down if the deal doesnt go thru. Just sayin -I called it if happens.
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Big Market team with far more young talent to offer then LA
Philadelphia, Hello – Why aren’t you trying to get in the mix?
Jrue Holiday one the best young PG prospects, Evan Turner could have a chance to start for NO instead of trying to work around Iggy. Mareese Speights still has potential. Elton Brand can be the veteran leader for New Orleans.
Philadelphia gets Paul & Okefor, they join Iguodala, Thaddeus Young.
I like this deal for both teams.
"Big market" isn't just about population
Philly is not a great NBA city. not an attraction at all really. no glitz or glamour like NY/LA, no beach or warm weather.
it’s a football/hockey town
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
According to the trade machine
that trade would give us like 90+ wins in an 82 game season. I’m guessing that means we beat the Lakers so badly that they count it for multiple wins.
Cancelled due to "basketball reasons"
Which I can agree with. No one wants Aldridge playing center, or Westbrook at the 2.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
the fakers can have paul as long as they don't get howard in the next deal.
That’s my biggest issue with the trade.
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