Rule Changes: The "arm sweep" foul is now non-shooting
It'll still be a foul, but not a shooting foul. You need to be shooting the ball by the time the foul happens to get free throws. It was considered too much of an advantage to the shooter. Gee, you think?
(There are other rule changes in the article, including a redesign of the 24 second clock, adding 1/10th seconds)
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"Rip-through" moves, in which an offensive player swings the ball into a defender's outstretched arm and then attempts a shot once he has created contact, will be considered non-shooting fouls if the contact begins before the offensive player starts his shooting motion.
Also, on drives to the basket, a shooting foul will be called only if contact occurs after the offensive player has begun his shooting motion, not after he has initiated his leap toward the basket.
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no more "continuation"?
should result in fewer free throws attempted and lower shooting percentages
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I'm curious if this completely eliminates continuation
I’d be fine with it, but would need to adjust a bit. I’d be fine not seeing LBJ get slapped on the wrist, take three steps without a dribble, lay it in, and have the referee count it.
I really thought it was funny
how in the last year announcers starting calling that kind of excessive continuation the “Euro Step” like it wasnt done by every super star
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by Sean in Vancouver on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
The "Euro Step" isn't excessive continuation necessarily. It's a travel though.
And it doesn’t get enforced enough. It can be done with or without a foul. Guys pick up their dribble early, putting the defensive player at an unfair disadvantage. I’d LOVE to see that done away with. I don’t mind continuation on the drive without traveling.
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It doesn't eliminate continuation all together
Only in the instance of an “arm-sweep” foul.
This is an improvement to the game
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by Matthews vs Roy... Fight! on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 PM PST reply actions
Any word on how they will treat overreactions by players to refs calls?
Will it be a auto T like b4 or have they eased up on that 1? It was classic last year watching players get used to that 1. Also, it was maddening at times because alot of Superstar players could still get away with it, while others got nailed hard for it.
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 7, 2011 11:58 PM PST reply actions
I believe they named it the Rasheed rule
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WoooooT!
Playing OKC just got a little easier!
Kevin Durant had to change
his underpants after hearing this news.
by jrzy49 on Dec 8, 2011 12:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oh thank god.
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Mike Barrett: "Now that would be a fragrant foul."
I'll wait and see...
As always, it will be as much about how the Refs interpret the fouls on the court as it will be about any re-wording of definitions applied. On paper? It sounds good. But like almost all these situations, a lot will still depend on the men in stripes and how they want to instantaneously interpret the moment.
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There's going to be a lot more fouling when players drive
The way I read this, if you’re getting beat on a drive, just hack them before they start to shoot.
Will it be counted as a team foul?
"Will it be counted as a team foul?"
Yeah, it’s a team foul. That’s why this rule only matters before a team reaches its limit of 5 fouls per quarter.
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both these are good changes
it remains to be seen how long or how consistently the new rules are applied.
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Don't forget that guys like Aldridge and roy will also be affected by this
I really don’t like the sound of them calling more travels in the post this year. Aldridge took a lot of steps when he went to the middle last year and if they plan on calling traveling on post play we could see a very frustrated Aldridge this season.
Of course
if a team is in the penalty, this will still be a 2 shot foul. Not that big of a change, but still nice.
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Even then, there's an important change:
You can’t pull this behind the three point line, and get three free throws anymore, even if they’re in the penalty.
Well, it is still a foul, sooo it could get Greg Oden out of the game
when he gets called for his 2nd foul in the first half.
i like it here, there, everywhere.
will be interesting to see if they enforce the traveling part of the new rules
The league will also make traveling in the post and on the perimeter a point of emphasis, with a player hopping off of and landing on the same foot viewed as an automatic violation. Referees will also consider locking or clamping an opponent’s arm or hand under the basket while battling for a rebound and discontinued or hesitation dribbles as automatic violations.
players like durant, kobe and especially lebron just get away with murder when it comes to traveling; as do many point guards with the crossover/palm move.
The line about hesitation dribbles being violations
goes too far for me. As long as the player doesn’t cup the ball while doing the hesitation dribble, that should be a legal move.
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I love that everyone automatically thinks of Durant when they hear about this.
Frankly, it shouldn’t be a foul at all, but this is progress. If the offensive player is initiating contact on a stationary outstretched arm, I don’t see how that is the defensive player’s foul. But hey, that’s just me.
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Some of those rip-through moves
are practically assualt. Probably should be an offensive foul.
I've wanted to see rip-through moves as an offensive foul for a while
If the offender intentionally initiates contact like that, I’d like to see it called offensive.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a defender to have his arm out, for example. And a player who leans forward into a defender who jumped into the air? That should be an offensive foul if the defender would have otherwise landed safely.
That's the NBA taking baby steps towards fans expectations of the rules
I agree that if a defensive player is not moving than any contact initiated by the defender is a foul and contact initiated by the offensive player is an offensive foul if the defendor is forced to move his feet (ie body contact) but arm contact is a non-call. This way a player can dribble past a defender and outstrecthed arm contact is not a foul unless the defender tries to impede motion and the offensive player is not colled for a foul unless he bowls over a set defender.
Yeah we're in agreement here.
I’m hopeful the rule sanity will continue. This is unique, the rules have mostly been to the benefit of the offense, so a snap-back is nice.
Good change
Remember the Sacramento-L*kers WCF where Mike Bibby was called for a foul for Kobe swinging an elbow through his chin. That was the ultimate abuse of the rip-through call.
I see people bringing up Kevin Durant a lot in this thread. But this rule change affects Brandon Roy a ton too. He gets a lot of trips off of “rip-through” fouls.
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I've seen LMA utilize the rip-through on the perimiter.
I hate seeing other teams’ players get the call, but am proud when LMA pulls it off. I’ll usually say something like “That’s a good vet move!” to my girlfriend when it happens.
Looking forward to seeing less of it overall though. The game is better without that move.
the game is always better with less FTA
let’s be honest, watching Dirk and KD parade to the line 15 times a game in the playoffs just isn’t what the NBA had in mind.
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The Travelling Component
Do any of you interpret the rule change pertaining to travelling (in the case of leaping off of a foot and landing on the same foot) as something that can or will pertain to Jump-Stops? I would love to see the end of Jump-Stops.
by chuckles the clown on Dec 8, 2011 12:58 PM PST reply actions
jump stops have been the least of my concerns in regards to travelling
the biggest things are
A) Swapping pivot foot
B) cupping/palming/controlling the ball on the perimeter in a drive/crossover type situation
C) extra step allowed
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