Solving the entire Howard/Paul/Lakers/Knicks/Hornets/Magic quagmire in one fell swoop
by ucla139 on Dec 5, 2011 8:25 PM PST
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(I would have NBA Trade Machine-d this ish, but it doesn't allow you to include cash or draft picks. Bummer. But without further ado...)
KNICKS GET:
PG Chris Paul
SF Matt Barnes
SF Hedo Turkoglu
Cash considerations (from Hornets)
HORNETS GET:
SG/SF Landry Fields
PG/SG Toney Douglas
Knicks' first-rounder in 2013
LAKERS GET:
PF/C Daniel Orton
MAGIC GET:
PF Lamar Odom
SF Trevor Ariza
Lakers' first-rounder in 2012
WHY THE KNICKS WOULD DO IT: They get their Paul/Melo/Stoudemire foundation, amnesty Hedo to keep their payroll under the luxury tax (around $63-$64 million, so they could even afford a couple of veteran-minimum guys), and roll out a starting five of Paul-Barnes-Melo-Stoudemire-Turiaf, which has the potential to be even better than Chalmers-Wade-Lebron-Bosh-Anthony.
WHY THE HORNETS WOULD DO IT: Paul is pushing hard for New York, and the Hornets don't want to go through the same charade that Denver went through last year with Anthony (thus increasing their pressure to pull the trigger on a deal right away). They end up still getting a decent haul of young players; Douglas/Fields/Anderson is a potentially powerful trio, and with Chauncey/Jack at PG and Okafor/Anderson at center they could even be a playoff team AND a young rebuilding team in the same year. Worthy of note: Some cash has to go to the Knicks to offset the salaries they'll be taking on; as this trade would push New Orleans far under the salary cap (at about $50-$51 million), they would be the most likely to pass cash on to New York (about $7 million would be required, which incidentally would be the exact amount the Hornets could spare while still remaining under the cap).
WHY THE LAKERS WOULD DO IT: Kobe, Gasol, and Howard. Yikes. It'd be hard to imagine them losing the West anytime soon. They'd also save around $6 million in the trade, which'll be extremely valuable considering the new CBA and their current glut of high salaries.
WHY THE MAGIC WOULD DO IT: It sucks to lose Howard, but getting Bynum is almost the best compensation you can get. Add in the underrated (and underpaid) Odom, as well as the overpaid-but-potentially-valuable Ariza on a team in need of a swingman, as well as the fact that the deal actually saves Orlando $2 million and gets them a second first-rounder in 2012, and it makes sense from their angle as well. Also, a starting five of Nelson-Reddick-QRich-Odom-Bynum, if Andrew can actually stay healthy, could potentially make some noise in the East.
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Hornets won't do that
Sounds like they can get better offers from teams willing to roll the dice on Paul and hope they can convince him to stay: Dallas, Houston, Clips to name a few.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
by douglast on Dec 5, 2011 8:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Under the impression that Paul absolutely has to be a Knick
And I don’t think that’s too bad an offer. They shed Ariza’s contract, get under the cap, and snag three quality young players for their trouble. Additionally, the other three teams I’ve heard that Paul wants to go to are New York and “possibly” the Magic or the Clips, and…honestly, it’s hard to imagine Paul being okay with a trade to the Clippers, despite what he says, although they do make sense.
why does NO want Paul to absolutely be a Knick?
they don’t give 2 cents about where he wants to go – they care about what they can get back. Fields/Douglas/Anderson is pretty much mediocre – and not even any decent picks to go with it.
Insiders reported today that New Orleans is much more interested in what they can get from teams who are willing to gamble on an Paul without a re-signing commitment than the leftovers they can get from New York.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Then it's probably the Clippers, then
Which makes this post not only misguided (being on a Blazer website despite having nothing to do with the Blazers) but also completely wrong. …I guess you all get a full refund?
not sure about the clippers
since they won’t but Gordon on the table.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I don't mean this sarcastically or rudely, but...
…what does this have to do with the Blazers?
Perhaps I’m missing something.
by Timmay! on Dec 5, 2011 8:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
but...
this is a Blazers blog, other teams news or content should be fanshots , at least from what I understand.
For the most part, even fanshots are meant to be Blazer-related
Unless it’s big news, or something OT but you think absolutely must be seen.
In the bigger picture, a post like this would also be welcome in the trade drawer. Those guys are all about talking trades.
But I’m hanging here for a few. There may be a bigger-picture Blazer concept here I’m missing.
No worries, it's kind of an unwritten rule
If you look in the Recommended Fanposts at the top right, you’ll see a trade drawer as the fourth post down. Usually someone creates one every week or so (depending on how busy things are), so that people can post trade ideas there, and so trade posts don’t start overflowing the fanposts section (which has been known to happen).
Here’s a link to it. There are 200+ comments in there from the folks who love talking trades. You should post this in there and ask what they think. Afterward, we can clear out this fanpost.
In general though, we definitely prefer to have fanposts that are Blazer-related. Without that rule, things would get crazy pretty quickly.
It's Chris Paul related, ergo it's Blazer's related?
But I fail to see how this trade gets us………….oh, never mind.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Hate to point this out
but the Knicks can’t trade their 2013 pick. They owe their 2012 pick to Houston and the Stepien rule demands that they have at least one first round pick in the next two drafts.
Plus, as others have said, the Hornets will get better offers than this for Chris Paul
I don't see any way it doesn't happen...
Bynum is probably the best trade piece they can get, and the Lakers can toss them either Odom or Gasol plus draft picks.
Los Angeles
If they offer Odom, Gasol & Bynum… http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85v42ak, the Magic could potentially riddle the Lakers with their terrible contracts, thats the only way I would be okay with them getting Howard. Its a better deal then NJ can offer.
What I would do if I was in the shoes Orlando or New Orleans, is make a move for Pau for Howard or Paul, then clear cap space to sign Marc Gasol. I’d love to see them play together on the same team & I’d have no doubt they would contend. Recruit Rudy for a NBA redemption tour, purely for the enjoyment of alley oops & him saying “this is Orlando baby” in his accent.
Orlando better demand Gasol and Bynum
LA won’t do it, but they should. Odom and Howard would be a fine front court, and they could get by with stiffs at the back up 4/5. Meanwhile, Howard is easily the second best player in the NBA, and Bynum+Odom is really not fair value, nor is it as appealing as NJ’s or the Clips’ potential offers.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Lakers trade Gasol, Bynum and trash, get CP3 and Howard
Knicks trade trash, get CP3.
New Jersey trades Brook Lopez and filler, gets Howard.
Clippers make a package for CP3. Warriors make a package for CP3.
One of those sadly will probably go down.
Now if the Blazers can somehow get in on this thing
Maybe put us in for the Lakers-hehe
We get DwightHAHA
give up Camby,Roy,Batum,rookies,picks,$LOL
See how fun this is, and easy, I was crackin my own self up
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 PM PST reply actions
Unfortunately, the more likely scenario would be a three team trade
Orlando and New Orleans are going to lose their stars, but have some parts that can help each other. I can see a three team trade with the Lakers, Hornets, and Magic going down.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qohhd8
LA would likely give up a couple of young players, and possibly draft picks to get this done. But really, giving up Bynum, Odom, Gasol, Blake and young players for Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu (cost of doing business)? No brainer for the Lakers.
The Hornets would lose Chris Paul, but would shave a year off the Okafor contract, plus Bynum is younger. Nelson isn’t anywhere near Chris Paul’s level, but at least they get a starting PG in return. The departing David West is replaced by Odom.
The Magic would lose Howard, but would get consistency in Emeka Okafor and a quality PF in Gasol. The dropoff from Jameer Nelson to Steve Blake is steep, so I would expect them to be looking for a better PG in free agency too. This isn’t a great deal for the Magic, which is why I would expect young players and draft picks from the Lakers to go to them as well.
by Rodney Gustafson on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions
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