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Game 4 Preview: Portland Trail Blazers vs. Los Angeles Clippers

Game Time: 6:30 p.m. TV: CSNNW

The Blazers travel to L.A. tonight for their first road game of the season, battling the would-be new darlings of the league, the Los Angeles Clippers. The "darlings" designation happened at the exact moment the Clips acquired the second-hottest free agent of this long off-season, statistical wonder Chris Paul. Paul is brilliant, a sure future Hall-of-Famer. Looking at his peak numbers you might as well call him Santa Claus. He delivers to every house, does it all in one night, you're not sure quite how it happened, but it's good. Pundits everywhere assumed that united with a hot, young Mrs. Clause in Blake Griffin (kinda funny looking, sure, but the BOOM BOOM in the walk can't be ignored) Paul would soar to new heights and propel the Clippers into long-sought relevance.

Griffin has certainly done his part so far this year, putting up 22, 28, and 34 in L.A.'s three games. (Even the most rudimentary Mathletes will tell you that he's due for exactly 40 in this contest.) He's also led the team in rebounding in 2 of those 3 contests. He's everything advertised.

The problem is, the rest of the team hasn't been.

With the post-lockout hot flashes wearing off, everybody has remembered that the Chris Paul we've seen the last couple years in New Orleans isn't quite the vintage model. He's good, but it's kind of like when your ultra-exclusive, hand-made-by-the-original-owner guitar company goes public and opens a factory. The new guitars are still decent--better than most on the market maybe--but it's obvious they're now machine-crafted. Paul is a fine, fine point guard but he now stands among other fine point guards instead of in a class all his own. He'll still net you 9+ assists and frequent 20-point games but the days of 50% shooting and the 22 and 12 average are over. You respect what he can do instead of fearing what he's going to do.

Nor are the Clippers well-constructed around their superstar-in-waiting and superstar-in-decline. They're pairing veteran point guard Chauncey Billups with Paul in the backcourt. When you take the ball out of Billups' hands you take away the best parts of his game and his effect on the team. He's averaging half the assists he was last year and his shooting, not glowing in the last few years anyway, has been horrid. Even worse, pairing Paul and Billups means one of them has to defend a shooting guard. That's not going to play to their strengths. To top it all off, Billups now has a groin injury, did not play in L.A.'s last game, and is listed as day-to-day at this point.

Behind Paul and Billups are even more short guards. Cleveland refugee Mo Williams is a 6'1" point guard who doesn't get to play enough to get in rhythm but can still shoot. Former Timberwolves hope Randy Foye stands 6'4" which would have been great had he been the hybrid guard he was projected as. Instead he's a short shooting guard whose percentage this year is south of 31%.

The news is no better in the frontcourt. Caron Butler is a recognizable name at small forward but he's on his third team in three years and his offense has hit the skids too. Even when he's producing he's not the defender he once was. Cast-off Ryan Gomes backs him up. Other than Griffin the Clippers field exactly one player 6'10" and over, that being starting (and literally only) center DeAndre Jordan at 6'11". He's got game down low and can grab offensive rebounds like hotcakes but barely shoots and is a putrid defensive rebounder. His calling card so far this year has been blocked shots, of which he's gotten a ton. But that's close to the only defensive recommendation that can be given for anyone on this team. The reserve big men are deep enough in the rotation to be considered filler.

So what have we learned? Paul and Griffin are big names and at least potentially big producers but everyone else on this team is too short, potentially misplaced, defensively mundane at best, and has holes in their game wide enough to drive a truck through. That's not to say the team is bad. Any bunch with Griffin and Paul will probably do OK on talent alone. But name-level talent notwithstanding, plenty of other teams have a more definitive claim to "next big thing" status than the Clippers do right now.

Oh, and L.A. is 1-2 on the new season, blasting the Warriors before being brought back to earth hard by the superior teamwork (and just as much talent) of the Spurs and Bulls.

Before Blazer fans, riding high on a 3-0 start to the season, go chalking this up in the "W" column though, remember that this is the first road game. The guys in red and black will have to sustain the emotion and camaraderie they've relied on so far without help from a friendly fan base. Also remember that the Clippers will be able to push back at LaMarcus Aldridge and Gerald Wallace with Griffin and Butler, meaning in the right situation the Chris Paul advantage could tell. The Clippers are more than capable of winning this game if the Blazers let down or even if L.A. gets hot. But if both teams play to their average capabilities the Blazers should prevail by virtue of the deeper team and better defense alone.

L.A. does not turn over the ball much, so good straight-up defense will be a must for Portland. The Clips are bad rebounders. That's good news for the Blazers as Portland tends to prosper when rebounds are in season. L.A.'s deep bench is just as weak as Portland's and their intermediate bench is weaker than the Blazers so the usual bench-letdown may not be as big of a factor tonight. The Blazers would be well-advised to exploit the thin lineup on the other side by running early and often, hoping the Clippers will fade from fatigue down the stretch. The Blazers can probably weather a little Chris Paul magic as long as they concentrate heavily on Griffin. He'll score but you don't want to give him easy buckets. Make him uncomfortable and you probably win this game unless every other Clipper finds that magic peak performance. They're each capable of that individually but you like the odds against it happening for everyone at once.

Every game is a new test for Portland this early in the season. Let's see how they do in this one.

Check out the Clippers side at the esteemed ClipsNation.

--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)

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Betfair, my new favorite website

is a prediction market for sports. Unfortunately, I can’t bet on it, being in the US, but they only give the blazers a 40% chance to win.

by jnewhouse on Dec 31, 2011 10:13 PM PST reply actions  

that's not how bookies work.

they set a line to make 50% of the bettors place bets for each each side.
don’t pretend it is a true estimate.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jan 1, 2012 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not really a bookie

participants can bet on either side of the action. Betfair doesn’t set the odds, they just cash in by taking 20ish percent of any winners winning. Look up prediction markets. Prediction markets are generally considered a good indicator of the likelihood of a future event.

The odds may be tilted in favor of the Clippers because they are the more popular team, but I just wish I could take advantage of those fools, in the name of the efficient market hypothesis.

by jnewhouse on Jan 1, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Sports betting sites don’t care who wins, and are not in the prediction business. They are in the making money business. It is all about making both sides feel like they have an even chance to be correct.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

After reading this I have a better understanding of the Clips.

I am not as impressed as I once was. Gotta admit, though. Blake Griffin is a freaking good Basketball player. If he goes off for forty and they get decent contributions from Paul and one of their role players, well then, book it in the loss column.

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by scaredcow on Dec 31, 2011 10:22 PM PST reply actions  

The thing about having legit stars

is that you always have a chance. The Clips are better off by far in that respect. But I’ll buy the huge leap forward when I see it…and some defense.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 31, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

as much as Paul can put up a great numbers once in a while,

so far he’s had good — not great — games. A good game from him (15pts, 9 assists), a good game from Griffin (28pts, 9 rebounds, little defense), a little from Jordan, and not much from the rest of the team usually ends in the Clippers losing.

Without any contributions at all from Billups, you’re now relying on Mo Williams to get his & Billups’. He’s decent but rarely goes off.

They really need a 3rd guy, and with the loss of Eric Gordon, and the unfortunate pickup of Caron Butler and the overpaying of Andre Jordan, this team is not built for much. They’ll be a middle-of-the-road mediocre team with little chance for lottery picks in upcoming drafts.
Not to mention everyone is a defensive liability on that team.

Note: the Butler signing may be the worst contract handed out this offseason.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 1, 2012 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

heat. thunder. blazers all undefeated

Time for blazers to show they aren’t the bottom feeders of the west.

by ktngo09 on Dec 31, 2011 10:23 PM PST reply actions  

OKC now 5-0

That team is really scaring me.

Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life

by dyshooter182 on Jan 1, 2012 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

They have had some close calls

And their most impressive victory was on the road at Memphis….

If they go undefeated (or even 4-1) over their next five games, then they may be on to something…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 1, 2012 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

obviously they have a good team and they’ll do well this season, but the question is “do they have enough when the time counts?”

They have yet to play a team that had their stuff together, which includes a weak Dallas team (next game as well), a strange Orlando team, and PHX, Mem, and Minn.
Until they beat a couple of elite teams, or at least us, I’m not putting them over the Heat.

Nonetheless, I’m liking Westbrook’s game, those his 27 turnovers and 0.96 assist to turnover ratio needs improvement.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 1, 2012 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

OKC should scare you...

They are perfectly set up for this compressed regular season and the playoffs:
They are young, but have played together enough to have already developed teamwork.
They are deep.
They have a Superstar who plays clutch.
They have stars behind him.
They have no weak links.
They play good defense.
Look for them in the finals vs Heat.

by HiPo Steve on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

OKC has 1 major weakness

Post offense.
Durant’s post game is well behind the rest of his offense, Perk is pretty useless on offense and Ibaka is at best avg in the post.
I agree with your prediction but if they don’t make finals the lack of post offense will be the reason why.

Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin

by Biph on Jan 1, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

We Play for Each Other

Portland has a chemistry that can’t be matched by almost no other NBA team; with no ego’s and more importantly no injuries. Defense is Nate’s Mantra, something that Portland can control and win with. As the saying goes, “Offense wins games, Defense wins Championships”. If Portland can control the turnover rate and play great ‘D’, then a win is almost certain. Clippers have two named Stars, but Portland has team chemistry and experience which should trump the flash of LA. Lastly, since the national media is ignoring Portland and giving it no respect, Portland has a driving motivation to raise it’s middle finger to the National Media by kicking everyone’s butts. Expect Portland to show the world what its truly about, which is winning the NBA Championship.

by Roger Foard on Dec 31, 2011 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

Might as well, we have nothing better to do this year

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.

by SGT Lenny on Dec 31, 2011 11:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Manta?

Not actually much results as the blazers coach. The d has never been anything other then average. 3 solid games is does not make Nate a genius defensive coach. If anything the d should have been far better then it has for the last few years. Mantra?

by Cabbol on Jan 1, 2012 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Happy 2k12 everyone

Looking forward to the game, and the locals passing out or running out of explosives…

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.

by SGT Lenny on Jan 1, 2012 12:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Are you deployed?

Or are you talking about Fort Lweis?

"Tom Lawson McCall, Governor or Oregon, invites you to visit . . . Washington, Idaho, Nevada, or Afghanistan." --Pair of bumper stickers on our baby blue 1966 Plymouth Fury III when I was growing up in Portland, BC (Before Championship).

by VTDuck on Jan 1, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Outside Lewis

But I was referring to the fireworks/mortars that are leftover from Independence Day

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.

by SGT Lenny on Jan 1, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Momentum is on the Blazers side

I think this team can win on the road. The road brings these guys closer and they have to energize each other. Lack of media respect puts a chip on their shoulder that is a weapon itself. It’s the first real test of how this team develops. I love the depth, defense and unselfishness of the Blazers! Rip City all the way!

by rivermanpnw on Jan 1, 2012 12:15 AM PST reply actions  

At the end of the day, it's still the Clippers. Am I right?

Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers!
Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers!
Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers!
Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers! Let’s go Blazers!

Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 1, 2012 12:23 AM PST reply actions  

Real test for Blazers to determine how good they really are

Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life

by dyshooter182 on Jan 1, 2012 12:49 AM PST reply actions  

Let's make sure we really force Griffin to defend...

And really push the ball. We should play fast in this one.

by 52therim on Jan 1, 2012 12:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I watched the Clippers opener against the GSW and was not impressed

I chalked it up to being the opener, but IMO, if the GSW had been close to their normal output they would have blown the Clippers out of the arena. In fact a barrage of three pointers at the end of the fourth by CP3 was the only good play LAC showed. Since then they haven’t shown they could live up to their hype either. I am still not sure how good Portland is on the offensive end. they have missed a ton of shots, even close to the rim. LMA hasn’t had his legs under him yet and he has a tough match-up tonight. But defensively I think we will take them to the cleaners.

As Dave said in the blog, the Clippers are not burning up the league in scoring or performance, so with that coupled with our D, Might be enough.

This being the first road game and I am sure Nate is preaching no let down on the road. It still could happen. We could never be sure of Portland on the road, I don’t feel we have the problems of last year after a 3-0 start came back down to earth with a thud.; they have good composure, better D and maybe a little chip on their shoulder,

I want so bad for us to win our first road game, or first game in 2012, that I can’t be rationale on who’s going to win. Although it will not be a cake walk, I think the Blazers has shown they can do the job. The refs are going to walk all over us on this game that is why I mentioned good composure.

It is not a must win, but it would be a great win, and I have tons of hope.

hg

by BBK on Jan 1, 2012 12:59 AM PST reply actions  

Blazers by 5

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 1, 2012 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I like this teams composure in both regular and preseason

The last few years, I saw things cause them to implode. Love how they survive the other teams runs when we are playing well. We also have stayed in games when Shooting, Rebounding or Turnovers rent where they need to be.

This road trip. Will be a good Barometer of composure

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Jan 1, 2012 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Accuscore has Clips in a landslide.

33-67 percent wins in 10,000 simulations. But Accuscore also had Clips as a one point favorite against the Bulls, too. They’ve been overvaluing them IMHO.

I used to be a basketball player like you, then I took the Portland Trail Blazers' training staff to the knee.

by Doctor Worm on Jan 1, 2012 1:04 AM PST reply actions  

Simple algorithms rely on past statistics for future predictions

but when you have as many new pieces as the Clips have – last years results will be completely inadequate for predicting new production….

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 1, 2012 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah,

and I think that adding in Paul’s stats without evaluating how him and everyone else works together (which so far, hasn’t been great) is what makes Accuscore overvalue them.

Johnson, Johnson, Smith, Smith, Thomas, Williams, and Babbitt: the Blazer's law firm.

by Doctor Worm on Jan 1, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

This really should be a win

I’ve seen nothing from the Clips so far that impresses me and Blake is a defensive sieve so far. LMA and Wallace aught to have a field day. Stick We$ or Nico and Felton on CP3 and Chauncy.

All that being said, I have no idea what’s going to happen. It looks like a blowout in our favor on paper. It’s on the road though and we’ve already seen the Blazers come out both listless on defense and unable to score. Griffen, CP3 and maybe even Billups may get some star calls as well.

by poorwebguy on Jan 1, 2012 1:13 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

Are backcourt is way to big for this team GW is going to eat butler alive nuff said and if we can keep blakey boy in check we should with big IMO

by Rosecity503 on Jan 1, 2012 1:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

it doesn't look like Chauncey will be playing

groin injury

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 1, 2012 1:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Really

What impact do you think this will play?

by Rosecity503 on Jan 1, 2012 2:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

well

I think Mo Williams will play more mins, and that’ll hurt the Clips, and even though Chauncey wasn’t hitting at a high clip, he was still providing 12 points.

I think they’ll be lacking on offense against our D, and even though Griffin may go off, the rest of the team will look shoddy, save for a random bencher like Randy Foye maybe putting up good points. Also, their D is very suspect.

Blazers by 5 (at least)

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 1, 2012 5:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I think a huge factor in this game

Is if we see LaMonster or LaMarsha, because I’ve yet to see LMA even show glimpses of LaMonster. I remember one play he had the opposing 3 on him and the floor was cleared out, but he still passed out of the post without anyone open. He’s been getting huge defensive attention, but he still needs to show that he deserves that attention. Of course he’s tired and out of shape from the injury, but we need him to play in the paint.

by Batumshakalaka on Jan 1, 2012 2:36 AM PST reply actions  

Yepp

As you pointed out he’s out of shape it will come for LMA but that’s the best part to having a real team is that we don’t need any one player to go off just take what the d gives you and we will blow teams out

by Rosecity503 on Jan 1, 2012 2:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Can we retire "LaMarsha," please?

"Tom Lawson McCall, Governor or Oregon, invites you to visit . . . Washington, Idaho, Nevada, or Afghanistan." --Pair of bumper stickers on our baby blue 1966 Plymouth Fury III when I was growing up in Portland, BC (Before Championship).

by VTDuck on Jan 1, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

And LaMarginal

Pretty much all those that people came up with. None of them are true, and nobody who said those would be able to score a point against LMA.

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.

by SGT Lenny on Jan 1, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Blazers move up to 3rd in Jeff Sagarin Power Rankings.

This should give Blazer Fans some hope for a Win over the Clippers

Top 5:
Miami
OKC
Portland
New Orleans
Denver

Sagarin’s polls are computer and stat based, not opinionated.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nba1112.htm

by Roger Foard on Jan 1, 2012 3:43 AM PST reply actions  

I'm really not high on New Orleans

losing to PHX says volumes…

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 1, 2012 5:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on which column you look at

And if you go by that column (the ELO column), you’re effectively saying you think OKC would probably beat the Blazers by 8 in OKC.

While it’s still too early in the season for the Predictor column to be anywhere near accurate (which says the Blazers would win that by 2-3 points), I don’t think the ELO column is accurate yet either. The average rating is probably more accurate…

…which puts the Blazers at 2nd right now.

by Matt Denham on Jan 1, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Whatever happened

to the John Hollinger power rankings? I used to like those.

Johnson, Johnson, Smith, Smith, Thomas, Williams, and Babbitt: the Blazer's law firm.

by Doctor Worm on Jan 1, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah.

Johnson, Johnson, Smith, Smith, Thomas, Williams, and Babbitt: the Blazer's law firm.

by Doctor Worm on Jan 1, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Batum needs to show up for this one

I think we should go big lineup for a while in the game because of their small guards as well

WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE

by bowdown on Jan 1, 2012 3:45 AM PST reply actions  

Nate likes to run his small, quick lineup when he can

doesn’t mean that he won’t go with a long lineup w/ Batum at times— which is LA at the 5.

This would allow Camby to rest more, which is always good. Going big always presents the risk of playing him too much. Heck, I’d like to see Craig Smith and co. get some run too. Get up big enough to let the starters sit some 4th.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 1, 2012 5:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Craig Smith would be great against Griffin for spells

Since they scrimaged against each other, he knows Griffins moves.. But then Griffin knows Craigs defense also.

hg

by BBK on Jan 1, 2012 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

With a Paul and Billups backcourt

Would having We$ defending Paul make more sense than Felton. It seems We$ banging on Paul for 3 quarters might tire him out enough to let PDX take it the 4th.

Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin

by Biph on Jan 1, 2012 4:12 AM PST reply actions  

If the Clippers do a lot of pick and Roll

We could even put GW or Batum on CP3 and switch on the pick and roll. Both Batum and Wallace can play Griffin and LMA can stay in front of CP3 with help.

hg

by BBK on Jan 1, 2012 5:31 AM PST reply actions  

The refs though ...

That’s the clipper I’m most worried about …

Some of them cats are felonious, man.

by Rasheed's Lament on Jan 1, 2012 6:10 AM PST reply actions  

same here.

Tom Washington
Brian Forte
John Goble

None of them stand out for me so they must not be strongly anti-Blazer.
Anyone else know these guys?

by Natsthecat on Jan 1, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It was that Violet lady that I couldn't stand

And Haywood Workman the Pacer friend

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.

by SGT Lenny on Jan 1, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

We can. Run a lot of guys at Blake.

Thomas, smith, maybe Batum and Camby as well

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Jan 1, 2012 6:23 AM PST reply actions  

This will be a great game

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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by Y5k on Jan 1, 2012 6:26 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

He's the Epiphone knock-off from what I've seen so far.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Jan 1, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

If meniscus' are anything like pickups,

Spend a little more and install them yourself and it’s the same thing.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 1, 2012 12:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

LA....."The Man", will need to man up.

And everybody knows, that’s iffy………. It will be interesting. Maybe Nate will conjure up a bench.

We must endeavor to persevere.

by Supercourse on Jan 1, 2012 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

Why don't you just come out and say that you don't like LMA?

OBTW this is also directed to the site…not just this commenter….do we really want to equate style of play issues to gender?

“Man up”….LaMarsha? et al? Shooting jumpers are effeminate? Getting 7 rebounds instead of 9 rebounds is somehow not manly ? Maybe we shouldn’t question a guy’s manhood when it comes to this type thing? …and perhaps equating being female to being bad at sports should go by the wayside too?

Just a thought

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 1, 2012 7:36 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Agreed

“LaMarsha” could probably flatten most of us without a second thought. Aldridge is a complete player. He does what he has to win even if it costs him in the stats. We already know he can fill a stat sheet up against the best in the league if he needs to.

by poorwebguy on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

The guys who make that kind of talk, and they guys who refer to players as "garbage" which I see a lot of,

you can just see them, skinny, sweaty and pimply hunched over the computer eating ding dongs and diet coke. It’s called “projection.”

by raoulduke on Jan 1, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Check out the movie Big Fan

It isn’t a five star movie but it is an interesting profile of a guy writing out his takes all day for the big moment he can get on sports talk radio.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Jan 1, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Bosh confronted Skip Bayless on this point.

Of course he kind of blew it and talked about his name and his family instead.
But the point stands.

Anyone who compares a professional athlete to a woman for a negative purpose is the person who really lacks the masculinity.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jan 1, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm... I'm inclined to disagree.

I haven’t watched any women’s basketball lately, and I’ve never used a name like ‘LaMarsha’, but I find it a bit humorous that people even care about “who really lacks the masculinity.” Is that the measure of a man? Is that how you cut someone down to size? Is that how we determine the truth of someone’s words?

Furthermore, is it unreasonable to imply that women don’t post up and ‘take it to the hole’ with anywhere near enough power or physicality to score in the NBA? Am I a bigot to point out that if women could play like Karl Malone, we would have signed one already?

Communication is all about expressing your thoughts in a way that is easy to understand. Using the name ‘LaMarsha’ is a very effective way of communicating many things that could be said about LaMarcus. For example, he needs to bang and bruise in the paint sometimes, instead of playing like a WNBA lady. He needs to get fired up like Krazy Eyes Kurt, and get some scowl on his face. I swear, if I hear about LMA having tea and crumpets with Rebecca Haarlow, one more time… I’m gonna smack him.

If speaking the truth makes you think that I’m less masculine… Well, I was never keeping track of anyone’s opinion on the subject, anyway.

by manfredi on Jan 1, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I will bet you that quite a few of the females who cannot play like Karl Malone

could still effectively snap you in half. Additionally while “communication is all about expressing your thoughts in a way that is easy to understand” , there are few forms that everyone would understand ….but still are not considered appropriate …for instance you could make the same point about LMA’s game by using a euphemism that denotes homosexuality (I know at least a half dozen…and I bet you do too) and make the same exact observation ….and it would be wrong and so is this. Soo…I guess I am not questioning your manhood…but I do question why you feel the need to denigrate LMA by denigrating another group of people.

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 1, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

The comparison is limited to basketball...

Saying that LaMarcus plays basketball like a woman isn’t denigrating anyone — it simply compares him to females who play basketball… For instance WNBA players.

Since you bring it up, homosexuality is merely a behavior… Any player in the NBA could be homosexual and you wouldn’t be able to tell by watching them play. I don’t see your point.

For that guy who thinks women are ‘superior’ to men… That is the most bigoted statement in this whole thread. It is blatantly sexist… I am not offended by ignorance, though.

by manfredi on Jan 1, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How bout I round up some women ...maybe twenty...and we will ask them?

I will bet you ….15 of will be offended. That is a guess on my part …but I won’t be far off I suspect

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 1, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish I could rec comments

But the SBNation app doesn’t allow.

Great comment.

by ZenGarden on Jan 1, 2012 2:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Well...

…you can rec comments. Just click on “actions” and select “rec”

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 1, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Oooh...phone app...gotcha

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 1, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

OK,

this is probably far enough on this tangent. Masculinity or female-ness or whatever aside, we prefer comments to be more descriptive and to produce better conversation than just labeling someone with a name, let alone one that potentially brings up stereotypes. If we’re going to talk about LaMarcus and his production let’s talk about his actual game and leave the shorthand labels aside.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 1, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

What is the current state of affairs on Bedge regarding censoring or guiding of discussions?

Although a little testy, I thought this tangent was interesting. There weren’t any ad hominen attacks, and I think discussing what sorts of commenting isn’t acceptable is a worthwhile conversation to have on a site which many of us interact with primarily through reading and writing comments. I had some thoughts of my own I would have liked to share, but now I feel like I shouldn’t. This makes me sad.

by jnewhouse on Jan 1, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a site about the Blazers

that’s relatively free of name-calling, relatively smart and/or informative in terms of comments, and not fond of terms that leave people feeling marginalized because of race, creed, orientation, or gender. We always have been, always will be. If you’d like to discuss our conversational standards my e-mail is at the bottom of every post I make. That’s the avenue for such discussion. Threads are for discussing the Blazers within the guidelines I just mentioned.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 1, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Women are the superior sex but

Men are physically stronger than women on average. Like Chimps and Bonobos human males are about 15% bigger than females. Men also have better balance than women because men have narrower hips.

Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin

by Biph on Jan 1, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Retire "LaMarsha"!

"Tom Lawson McCall, Governor or Oregon, invites you to visit . . . Washington, Idaho, Nevada, or Afghanistan." --Pair of bumper stickers on our baby blue 1966 Plymouth Fury III when I was growing up in Portland, BC (Before Championship).

by VTDuck on Jan 1, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking forward to another good game.

I’d take DeAndre over Howdy in a Blazer uni any day, kids a beast with a huge upside, imo.

Happy New Year ! Go Blazers !!

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Jan 1, 2012 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

i hope howdy doesnt equal dwight howard

deandre jordan isn’t even allowed to carry d12’s luggage for him right now, and it’s not even close.

by Devyn on Jan 1, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

this is the perfect game to

force feed nic the ball in the post.

there is absolutely no way either williams/foye/billups can guard him down low.

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Jan 1, 2012 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

This.

Paul Allen, the 2011 Trail Blazers Owner/GM

by 420Phenom on Jan 1, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Inside out post only works when a post is paired with a 3-point shooter and weakside cutters

Because the mismatch Batum creates forces the double team….

LMA was effective the last game without scoring a ton because Mathews was hitting the 3 (Felton hit one off a LMA kickout, too – I believe)…

LMA, Batum vs. a PG, etc. – will always draw a double team, which makes the post a passing position instead of a scoring position….

Anyhow – that is typically how the Blazers run post plays. Far more effective is the atypical feed to a moving post player already in scoring position (catch and shoot post plays). Portland, unfortunately, is relatively poor at executing those sets. However, they are getting better – so there is hope that the Blazers will be able to execute size advantages without giving the defense an opportunity to double team and force an outside shot…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 1, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Blazers vs Clips by the numbers...

Hollingers latest team stats back up Dave’s analysis (who would have thought?):

Offensive Efficiency: Clips tied for #1. Blazers #5.
Defensive Efficiency: Clips last @ 30 !. Blazers #3 (Yes, doubters, they have played D).
Rebound Rate: Cips #28. Blazers #3.
Clips are built for show, not the long haul of this compressed season. If their roster stays the same, look for them to be a lower West playoff seed. Tonight? Blazers by 6.

Just for fun:
Pace: Clips #24. Blazers #4. Imagine that.

by HiPo Steve on Jan 1, 2012 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

Defense makes that Portland pace acceptable

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 1, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Great level-headed analysis of the Clips

Just goes to show you how reactionary a lot of the sports press are. A lot were predicting a top 4 seeding for them, pretty ridiculous.

by BassBall on Jan 1, 2012 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

The season is young

and the Clippers have the athletes to play defense. However, they may not have the coaching for defense…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 1, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The Bench!!

Love the woding on Clipper Nation, " The benchesLets see Batum, Thomas and Crawford Vs Williams Cook and Gnome, maybe the Clippers Starters can Play 48 minutes" . Not much to say good about theyer Home Team!!

by jlhandymaniv on Jan 1, 2012 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

Veterans on the Road

I am sooo glad that the Blazers field no rookies or 2nd yr players in the rotation right now. Big change from recent years.

Hopefully this means that on the road they shoot better, defend better and all-around play better.
on the road.

by LucyGoosey on Jan 1, 2012 11:59 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm in Pacific City for New Year's but want to make sure I can watch the game tonight

Can anyone tell me if it will be subject to blackout on NBA League Pass because I’m still within 150 miles of Portland? Or since the game is in Los Angeles I don’t have to worry about it? We have Direct TV out here (no Comcast) but we have access to League Pass TV and Broadband. I’ve poked around a little and have some serious concerns.

Thanks and Go Blazers!!!!

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 1, 2012 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

Try that new streaming

I think that is perfect for the coast

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 1, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

And so here I am, without Comcast and no way to watch the game. (Comcast is available in my area, so I can’t watch the streams) … Do I go to the bar? I haven’t done that in a while. Whatever. Thinking out loud. Maybe I will put on my eye patch. I don’t feel bad about that.

Trade John Canzano

by richardb on Jan 1, 2012 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

interesting facts...

The recent signing of Crawford might help Portland continue its dominance, as he averaged 29.0 points on 54.3 percent shooting against the Clippers last season while with Atlanta.

Griffin has averaged 20.3 points and 15.7 rebounds in three career matchups with Portland, and tied a career high with 18 boards in the Jan. 20 loss. Paul, hasn’t fared as well lately against the Blazers, averaging 11.4 points and shooting 37.9 percent the last seven times he faced them with New Orleans.

by GERONIMOSINTHEHOUSE on Jan 1, 2012 4:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

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