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Game 3 Recap: Portland Trail Blazers 111, Denver Nuggets 102

In a Nutshell

After riding their starting forwards for the first two games of the season the Blazers finally come up aces with all of their wings and point guards, pouring in jumper after jumper down the stretch while the Nuggets miss repeated replies. Portland finds a different template and still comes out with the win.

Game Flow

The first quarter of this game was an unmitigated disaster for the Denver Nuggets. Almost everything that could go wrong, did. They missed 6 layups in the period plus every three-pointer they shot. Those jumpers were so far off that Coach George Karl was offering his guards coke-bottle spectacles during timeouts. Fouls went against them. Starting center Timofey Mozgov picked up three instant whistles, 2.5 of those cheap. Point guard Ty Lawson earned two. Nene Hilario, to this point in the season doing a decent impression of an All-Star, went 2-7 from the field, missing shots he could hit blindfolded. The only thing going Denver's way was Portland's propensity to turn over the ball...again and again and again and again. That uncharacteristic custodianship didn't cost Portland much, though. The Blazers romped their way inside on multiple occasions, not even minding the deep jumpers they missed. Taking full advantage of Denver's Oh-So-Very-Bad-Night Portland led 30-17 coming out of the first quarter.

In the first two games of the season this is exactly where we've uttered the fateful line: "And then the bench came in." Not so tonight, because it didn't. Portland substituted, but no further down the rotation than Kurt Thomas. And Thomas played only 12 minutes all game. Jamal Crawford and Nicolas Batum were the only reserves granted minutes besides KT in a lineup that went eight deep and stopped. As a result we didn't see the grand collapse that marred Portland's previous outings.

As it turned out, though, the end result was the same. All it took was Marcus Camby finding the pines and all of a sudden Denver's small lineup--featuring liberal doses of Ty Lawson, Andre Miller, and Rudy Fernandez--found the lane again and again. They didn't need to hit jumpers because every shot in the paint came easy. Two things are supposed to happen when the opponent goes small. They're never supposed to see the rim. You're also supposed to find a size mismatch and exploit it, preferably inside. The Blazers couldn't do either...not a surprise if you've seen their games so far this year. Lawson and Miller led the charge, taking serious advantage of Raymond Felton in the process. Portland was saved by points from Crawford and some masterful, game-altering defense by Batum. Even a superhuman effort from the Frenchman was only enough to preserve a tie at the half as Portland's lead leaked all over the Rose Garden floor and the teams went to the break tied at 53.

The third quarter started in see-saw fashion but the pendulum started tilting towards Denver as they scored in the paint and on the foul line while the Blazers continued to work the perimeter. Then Wesley Matthews stepped to the fore. He uncorked 4 three-pointers in 3 minutes of the quarter, all on nifty set-up passes from his teammates. That seemed to relax all the Blazer shooters while making the Nuggets scramble even more. Felton also splashed a three and then the middle opened up for layups and dunks by Wallace and Aldridge. Denver fought back but momentum was headed Portland's way and the Rose Garden was rocking. The Blazers led 83-79 after three.

The fourth quarter was another see-saw affair with the Blazers again hamstrung by turnovers. They bailed themselves out with excellent interior defense, forcing the Nuggets into a perimeter battle. Crawford stepped up to make sure Portland won that contest. Nobody from Denver's side could answer with any consistency as their night-long shooting woes hogged the stage, taking an extra bow. Matthews received a curtail call as well, hitting a couple more shots. Felton mopped up the stage at the end with insurance drives. When the show was done Portland had managed a 13-4 run to close the game and walked away with a 111-102 victory against a hard-fighting opponent.

Take-Away Points

Seeing Portland win on a night when they made turnovers and the opponent didn't was impressive. One of the main planks of the victory formula went awry there. Aldridge not hitting anything robbed the Blazers of another security blanket. When Denver started feasting on the Camby-less lineup things could have gotten ugly. Instead everyone else stepped up their defense through the second half and the perimeter shooters finally decided to hit some shots.

Observant folks should notice how the Blazers used Matthews on offense tonight when he went off. No putting the ball in his hands and clearing out. Not even really screens off the dribble. Instead threaten with penetration, toss it out, and give the dude a huge green light. Matthews scored inside as well but his best buckets came off of cuts where he received the ball and laid it in without having to invent fancy moves. Smart, winning teams know how to use a player like that to open the floor and make life easier even if that player isn't wielding the ball like Dwyane Wade. The Spurs would do the same thing. The Lakers would do the same thing. Let the Blazers learn to to the same thing!

One part of Portland's winning formula that did come through was rebounding. Denver had but 3 offensive rebounds tonight. Obviously the Nuggets missed more shots but a 50-30 overall rebounding advantage is nothing to sneeze at. The Blazers didn't open the door for Denver...important in a close game.

Even with the win the Blazers had to overcome a serious interior scoring advantage. Denver outscored Portland in the paint 54-40 and ended up with 33 free throw attempts to Portland's 23. The bright sunshine is that the Blazers found a way to win and did it with great team play on both ends. Resolve and derring-do should not be discounted. The rain cloud is that this kind of strategy isn't repeatable. The Blazers will lose 2 out of every 3 games where those scoring numbers hold true.

That said, the point is that they didn't lose tonight!

Individual Notes

Aldridge's 6-14, 13 point performance seems muted and it was a bit. Denver is athletic enough to cause him trouble whether defending one-on-one with Nene or sending extra men. However Aldridge's 6 assists (with only 2 turnovers) tell you that he wasn't retreating from this game even though he rushed and/or missed some shots because of pressure. He did the right thing with the ball, giving his teammates a chance to come through and help him out. They responded well. This night was fine for LMA.

Wallace's 5-7, 13 point performance also looks less impressive than earlier outings but he was all over the floor helping with that great defense we talked about. He neither forced nor missed shots, nor did his lesser number of attempts cause him to bail on the other aspects of his game. He was among the Blazers' only credible inside threats as well. Also a fine night.

Have we mentioned that Marcus Camby is important to this squad? No matter who else comes into the game, the opponent makes up ground when he's missing from the lineup. Camby notched 12 rebounds and 3 blocks in 26 minutes tonight.

Wesley Matthews had a team-high 25 points on 9-15 shooting, 5-8 from distance. It felt good to see him go off finally. Hopefully this will loosen him up from beyond the arc. Those shots certainly make life easier for the Blazers. His defense was good as always...great night.

The news for Raymond Felton trends upward but is slightly mixed. To the good he scored consistently, put in 23 on 10-16 shooting, dished 6 assists, and added 5 rebounds. Those are star-level numbers. He made Denver pay again and again. The mixed part comes on defense. When the Nuggets did find success inside it was largely off of him letting somebody (usually Lawson) loose. Lawson makes a lot of people look bad. Felton was definitely among them tonight. At least he got his back though.

Jamal Crawford did what he was supposed to do. He shot 6-16 and provided an offensive threat when LaMarcus wasn't in or wasn't free. He had 22 points and 5 rebounds, marred by 6 turnovers. It seems Crawford gets in a little bit of trouble when he tries to go beyond his comfort zone...that being scoring. The good news: he's in this lineup to score.

Nicolas Batum went 1-6 for 6 points with 6 rebounds and 4 turnovers in 21 minutes but forget those scoring numbers. When the Nuggets looked like they were running the metaphorical game-controlling ball back for a touchdown in the second quarter Batum chased them down and made the tackle at the 25-yard line, holding them to a field goal. He had 4 blocks on the evening, catching them from behind again and again, preventing easy scores. He was all over the defensive end every minute he was in the game. This was one heck of a night for him.

Kurt Thomas contributed to the Blazers' consistently good rebounding, grabbing 6 boards in the 12 minutes he played. He also hit all three of his field goal attempts for 7 points.

Fun Stats of the Night

Besides the ones mentioned above...

  • Blazers 41-79 overall for 52% shooting, 8-20 from distance for 40%, 21-23 from the foul line. That was some sweet marksmanship all around.
  • Blazers 25 turnovers, Nuggets 10. Holy inversion, Batman! The 16-3 steal differential had a little something to do with that...
  • Blazers put 3 players over 20 points and none of them were named Aldridge or Wallace.
  • Blazers 9 blocked shots. Blocks can be overrated but in this case those prevented easy points which would have greased the momentum wheel for Denver. The Nuggets never got more than 4 points ahead no matter how well they played in part because the Blazers just kept making save after save.
  • Denver's guards scored well enough but their two main forwards--answers to Aldridge and Wallace--had nights just as muted as the Blazers' stalwarts. Nene shot 4-12 for 10 points, Danilo Gallinari 4-16 for 16.
  • Credit Portland's team defense and Denver's crippling inability to hit open threes for Denver's 40% overall shooting percentage. The Blazers dove down and dared them to hit and they couldn't.
  • The new Rudy Fernandez looked a lot like the old Rudy Fernandez: nice hustle at times but 2-8 shooting, 1-5 from the arc, 7 points, 2 rebounds, and a steal in 22 minutes. Andre Miller had 13 points and 8 assists on 4-13 shooting in 35 minutes. That was more or less Portland-esque as well, except he usually won doing that in Portland.

Final Thoughts

This was a very good win and a fun game to watch. The intensity wasn't quite there but it looked like a late-season battle for playoff seeding more than the third game of the season. Credit both teams for being entertaining and skilled. NBA basketball can be pretty good sometimes!

See how good they think it was at DenverStiffs.

Check out the Nuggets vs Trail Blazers boxscore if you wish.

--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)

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Stupid spell-check!

I taught it about Dwyane but not Mozgov yet.

Fixing! Thanks!

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

wonderful post game write up.

Thank you so much for not bagging on LMA. Do you ever talk to the Radio 5th quarter host? Dave Smith? Driving home from the game..2nd time he is completely dissing LMA for not getting 10 to 12 rebounds.
LMA tweeted that his legs feel so tired…after the game. He most likely had a condition called SVT with his WPW…which more than likely led to some cadio deconditioning. It is a testament to just how great LMA’s conditioning was…that he has been able to play as well as he has.
And this clown is getting all over him for not rebounding more.

I would call myself and yell at this guy but feel like he wouldn’t bother to listen. Anyway, was at the game and agree with how you saw the game.
Felt there were some fouls and some out of bounds plays that should have gone the other way…one of Batum’s blocked shots was called as a foul and clearly wasn’t on the re-play. And one of the out of bounds plays was clearly the Blazer’s ball (one less turn over AT LEAST) and was called Denver’s ball.
So don’t think all of the turn overs were legitimate. Granted there were many..just not 25.
loved this line:

as their night-long shooting woes hogged the stage, taking an extra bow.

by Natsthecat on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave smith is an idiot

can stand listening to his afternoon show either. he’s a blowhard

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

yep. Have listened to the 5th quarter on my way home from Blazer games.

You are right. Apparently you and I aren’t the only ones who think so..the people who call in are usually at least 1/2 in the bag…so not a ton of competition to get though…it seems. Will not listen again.

by Natsthecat on Dec 30, 2011 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd listen to Canzano all day

rather than to Dave Smith. That’s for sure.

by jamon51 on Dec 30, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Where'd you get a pic

of Denver’s shooting coach?

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No more 3 goggles! LOL!

I like Wes’ “Holster the 3” move now alot better

by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see my arm

In that photo…throw those 3’s up!

Enjoy the Ride

Blunt+Sharp

by DigitalDaggers on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

awesome

hard for the fans to do it, though

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Much better than three goggles (would get him suspended if he played for the wizards though /s)

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He looks like he is playimg "air-banjo"

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 6:18 AM PST up reply actions  

DenverStiffs...

not giving the Blazers much credit for winning the game. It’s pretty much THEY lost because of what they didn’t do as opposed to The Blazers won because what we did.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 PM PST reply actions  

I can see their point a little

Denver won’t miss all of those threes every night. Also they did do a better job of getting the ball inside than did Portland. And there was the turnover disparity. On most nights they would have won this kind of game. But the Blazers also bloodied their nose good when they did try to get inside, the Blazers made some fantastic defensive plays, the Blazers rebounded impeccably, and the Blazers hit some good shots. Portland had a ton to do with everything that wasn’t the bald three-point missing.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure...

…they have a a point…a little…

McMillans post game comments, somewhat mirrored this. McMillan was happy we won, and happy with some individual performances..but McMillan had a lot of criticism for his own team, for being the coach of the winning team.

I’ll credit The Blazer though…despite not being perfect, The Blazer created a way to win. If The Nuggets cooperated more than they should of? That’s their problem.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 29, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

what's nice is the team has a bunch of 'focal points'

for Nate to follow up on the next couple days, as we continue essentially training camp – with the added bonus of 3-0 record tucked away. As long as we can keep winning as we grow, super. I think we got a nice draw on the schedule with the 3 home games on not the top opponents. Nice deveopment time. The road is going to be another level, but it must help to have these previous game first.

by Berkeley on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yep getting out-rebounded by 20 and out-shot that badly

Denver didn’t deserve to win. Even less than us. Also, our guys were daring them to shoot. Nate would’ve tried to adjust if they actually started hitting from 3pt. We were in the same boat until We$ heated up.

We evened out the turn overs a bit with a massive rebounding advantage. Was part of Denver’s trade off for playing small ball.

by poorwebguy on Dec 30, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

True, but 25 turnovers would usually kill a team

So it was Denvers lack of capitalizing on those turn-overs. I will take the win, I will give credit to our defense, I will say hurray for those 3 pters, but Denver lost the game more then we won the game

hg

by BBK on Dec 30, 2011 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

What's with the new optimism, Dave?

I’m loving it though! I think if the Blazers win every game this season you might even start talking about the second round of the playoffs (cautiously, of course — let’s not overdo it).

by jamon51 on Dec 30, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

we did have 25 turn overs.....

Though Wes$ raining 3s was a breath of fresh air.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the spirit!

I’ve been waiting to hear from you!

by XBlazerfan on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

1998. (0-0)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

D'oh!!!

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Early returns indicate

Dewey’s ahead of Truman. Also the Blazers won two games on turnovers and this one despite them. They really, really, really rely on rrrrebounding. When (not if) Camby goes down for a while, getting those turnovers will be key. As will having the flexibility on offense to face teams with savvy veteran coaches who know exactly what Portland’s “Option A” is in the half-court. Karl almost won that battle tonight, and would have if guys could have sunk wide-open deep jumpers.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

I find it Ironic

Last year Portland and NOH were both 3-0; NOH went on to win about 10 more in a row and Portland folded under BRoy’s injuries. We are both 3-0 again this year. Will history repeat it self. there is always that fear. Or maybe it is NOH turn to fold and Portland will go on to many more games in the streak.

hg

by BBK on Dec 30, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone else enjoy the Nate vs Karl matchup as much as I do?

They seem to enjoy playing against each other.

It was also weird the way both teams have ex-players from both teams! What a game!

by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, strange place for Rudy to end up

Too bad Denver didn’t bid for TrOut’s buyout . . .

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

After the Kiki trade back in the day

I called em the Denver Trail Nuggets ….maybe that should make a come back…or not

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 6:22 AM PST up reply actions  

be nice to trout

This is my signature. Do you like it?

by scaredcow on Dec 30, 2011 8:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

i liked felton tonight

Thought he made them pay when they didn’t respect him defensively. also batum seemed to have an off night. Batik did display some good transition d when Denver was looking faster, but batum is reminding me of Webster where he is just slightly off great finishes offensively. Either way! Go blazers! Glad they can make threes now, funny to see Rudy still bricking them. :p

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Batik = batum

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

"Batum" = things an Ent says between words

“I hate Orcs, batuuum, batuuum, let’s discuss action against Saruman, batuum, batuum.”

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

anytime LOTR is mixed with blazer talk, it's an automatic rec.

Fine work, good sir.

A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).

by anitachampionship on Dec 30, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Batum

did have a few nice blocks and some hustle

by XBlazerfan on Dec 29, 2011 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

6 rebounds too?

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 6:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Playing that hard on D may have thrown his Offense off.

but D is what we need of him; We have plenty of scorers.

hg

by BBK on Dec 30, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Nic needs some put-back practice

He’s missed a few of those this season. With his athleticism you wouldn’t think that would be the case. Great hustle all night though.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We got a new MVP for the third straight game!

Congrats to Game 3 MVP = Raymond Felton
10-16 FG, 2-2 FT, 23 PTS, 5 REB, 6 AST, 4 TO = 35.5 SNP

GAME 1 MVP = LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE:
11-25 FG, 3-4 FT, 25 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TO = 47 SNP*

GAME 2 MVP = GERALD WALLACE
8-11 FG, 8-9 FT, 25 PTS, 8 REB, 5 AST, 0 STL, 2 BLK, 1 TO = 49 SNP*

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:09 PM PST reply actions  

sure is

Camby has probably been the most consistent play, and if not defiantly the most consistent minute for minute in all three games. Maybe the team MVP thus far, he just hasn’t had the best pure numbers in any of the three to date.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You've got to look at Wesley too.

That streak of 3 pt. shots really won this game for Portland.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Wesley

was close, he had a Sporting News Productivity-Points (SNP) of 33 for the game. LA was 28.5, Camby 28, Crawford 25. Batum had a 23.5 at the half, and finished with a 23. He was destined for it but was more unproductive than productive in the 2nd half.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

do you work for TSN or something?

by the end of the season, is your comment going to be 240 lines long?

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

No and no

But, I like the way they base there points for statistics to show who had the best all around game. I think for the most part it is dead on. And no, I was thinking of showing the last 5 MVP’s, maybe last 10 as we go along. Of course, unless you all objected to me posting that much information? Maybe I would tally it up as to who was the MVP for each game after I displayed the 5 or 10 with a running total.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

what's their formula?

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

SPORTING NEWS PRODUCTIVITY-POINTS KEY:
-.5 Missed FG/FT
-1 Turnover
+1 PT Scored
+1.5 REB
+2 AST
+2.5 STL/BLK

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmm

not sure I agree with that. overrates assts, steals, and blocks, underrates points. missed FG should cost more than a missed FT.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

FG/FT weight lot closer than you think...

Think “level of difficulty”…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is the top 5 from last year in SNP

LeBron: 48.2
Howard: 47.4
Love: 44.2
Paul: 41.9
Westbrook: 41.5

Aldridge was 37.7 FYI. And was 12th overall in SNP scored.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Love is a good player

but like most statistical formulas, rebounds are overrated, as evidenced by your list above.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

that was my next point

offensive rebounds are probably underrated. any formula that doesn’t rate an offensive rebound as being worth more than a defensive rebound is inherently flawed.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Tip tip tip lay-in

3 rebounds, 2 points. Offensive rebounds are tricky things.

by jamon51 on Dec 30, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Again - too simple

A steal is a ball still in play; a turnover may or may not still be in play (and usually isn’t relative to steals)…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

My point is neither is directly related to scoring

You still have to score to win and a steal and a TO are simply changing possessions.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Again - too simple

Steals lead to transition baskets (easier scoring); TOs not in play put the offense against a set defense…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad

Advanced stats such as these annoy me. I should not have engaged in a conversation about them as if it mattered to me.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

by the same point, block should be worth far less than a steal

a steal ALWAYS results in a change of possession. About 25% of blocks go out of bounds, and another 25% back to the team on offense, leaving only 50% (all made up numbers – gross estimates) resulting in a change of possession.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 30, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah...most composite stats really don't dig deep enough to get to a really balanced single number

I think it can be done – but no laziness allowed. Too many statisticians leave the job undone…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 30, 2011 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes a guy who hits a game winner

Can be deemed the MVP if they had a decent game. Sometimes you can say the guy who caught fire in the 4th that led them back is the MVP. My MVP is based on the entire game as a whole. Batum today was probably the most productive played in the first half. In fact he had a 23.5 SNP, but a -.5 in the 2nd half. Also, Wes had a bad 1st half and a great 2nd half and people are calling for him to be the MVP today. Felton was a tad more consistent throughout.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Wins and losses

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

But

He was the first guy to average 20/15 in 30 years.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

MVP by game

has nothing to do with wins and losses. It is all about what you do while on the court. You don’t have to be on the greatest team in the world to win an MVP, ask AROD when he won it for the Rangers.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Rodman never hurt the Bulls

And Love has a better offensive game.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Love hurts the Twolves

he is a stat machine arguably an inflated one. He isn’t a great basketball player or a game changer on a good team.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 AM PST up reply actions  

You give Love

a bad name.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 30, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Love Stinks

Ya-ya

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

My argument is with his 20/15 being "so great"

If his team had performed better in the W/L column, then I’d agree with you. But the Wolves sucked. No two ways about it.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Really I am using it

As just a team measurement i.e. using it to determine who has the better game all around for the Blazers. I’m not really gonna argue anymore about Kevin Love.

Basically everyone on the Blazers is in on the winning and losing so I was just posting who had the better game all around for the Blazers using this stat tool from SN for just the Blazers…

by Cjones10 on Dec 30, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

You have to be on a really bad team though

to go 30/30 in a night. IDC how good you are, if love was playing next to Camby he would not get half the rebounds he gets now.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:02 AM PST up reply actions  

unless there were twice the firstfights between Camby/Love

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Wins and Losses are a team stat

SNP – like most other composite stats – estimate individual contributions. SNP differs from other composite stats in that it is available immediately after a game…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

there are some questionable "rebounds" counted for him also..at home at least.

Also pretty easy to get a ton of rebounds when there are tons of missed shots.

by Natsthecat on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Love is a great rebounder

but two things:
1) he played on a team with historically bad rebounders all around him
2) he is a notorious rebound stealer (takes them from teammates who were all to happy to defer)

those two things probably inflate his rebound totals 3 to 4 per game last year. I’d love to someday see advanced rebound stats become more commonplace. grabbing an uncontesed rebound out of the air when it came right to you is meaningless. should be a team rebound. stealing one that was going uncontested to a teammate should count for them, not you. tell me about who is getting contested rebounds.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Love is not the test

Winning is the test….(have to correlate SNP to winning % to validate)…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

So Timmay!

Do you disagree with who the SNP says is the game MVP for the Blazers thus far?

Aldridge game 1, Wallace game 2, Felton game 3?

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Felton wasn't punished enough for giving up steals

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this

Wes$ could be MVP, even G3 or Camby could get it from me for hustle. I like Felton, but he is playing to sloppy early this year to get any MVP award.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Like I noted above, I'm now out of the conversation on this stat.

I’ve completely dismissed it. Thanks for checking in, though.

by Timmay! on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

i do

game 1 goes to Wallace for me. or at least a co-MVP of wallace and LA. game 2 was clearly wallace. game 3 is hard – it was truly a team effort. felton was good, but a LOT of turnovers. Wesley hit those 25 points, but not much else. camby was HUGE on the glass, inside, and with energy. I gave it to him, but you could make an argument for the other two.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace game 1?

Stats:

G.W.: 21 PTS, 9 REB, 1 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 4 T0
L.A.: 25 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL, 3 BLK, 2 TO

Really, Camby was better than Wallace and the closest to L.A. for the MVP for game 1 with his 6PTS, 13 REB, 6 AST, 2 BLK, 0 TO game.

by Cjones10 on Dec 30, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

watch the games

Wallace was the catalyst in game one. it’s more than just raw numbers.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 30, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

No, I hear you. I thought he was great in game one. It’s all a matter of our opinion. We can argue all day long, heck we can argue that in Camby’s 28 minutes that game he was the game changer, or the catalyst, however you want to word it.

by Cjones10 on Dec 30, 2011 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya, GW set the tone in both of the first games.

Looking at Batums numbers would lead one to believe he has been awful early this season. Watching the games shows quite the opposite, he is doing a little bit of everything except for putting the ball in the basket consistently. His defense has been all nba worthy IMO…

NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....

by Armon Jonesin on Dec 30, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

No need to get defensive

Come on, we are friends on here, aren’t we? “Watch the games” is pretty defensive. I did watch the game. It’s kinda odd that in one post you would say L.A. was at least the co-MVP with Wallace, then come back and tell me to watch the games like I was out of my mind saying L.A. played the best when you just agreed with me that he was at least the co-mvp…

by Cjones10 on Dec 30, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

your reply made it sound like I was crazy for suggesting wallace as co-mvp

if I came off defensive, it was because you seemed to be dismissing my nomination of Wallace for game 1 completely, by again posting a simple stat-line formula.

look, I LOVE stats. but my basketball world is not so black and white where I blindly run a formula and declare that it is the be all end all for determining what is in the end an arbitrary thing. If you are comfortable running the numbers and declaring it the de facto be all end all determinant in your basketball world – more power to you. But others can and will disagree. You aren’t going to convince them by posting the same formula over and over again – because to them, it’s not a simple question of numbers alone.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 30, 2011 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I apologize

If I came off as defensive. I realize you are entitled to your opinion, to me G. Wall was the third best in that game, but if you liked him best that’s cool. I guess it really just strikes a nerve with me when someone tells me to “watch the game” as if I didn’t cause I didn’t agree with them.

But looking back at you, you are right, I did come off defensive to you with the “?” I used. So again, sorry about that.

by Cjones10 on Dec 30, 2011 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

no worries man, I'm sorry too.

one final question. you wrote just now: “to me G. Wall was the third best in that game”. Is that YOUR opinion, based on what YOU view as being important, or is it simply the answer that was spit out of a formula you go from somewhere else?

I don’t want an answer – just something for you to ponder.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

If you watch the game

and not just the stats. You would see G3 has set the tone for every game so far this year, followed closely by Camby. This is why stats suck.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:07 AM PST up reply actions  

For the love of god, just because I post stats doesn’t mean I don’t want the damn games people!

BTW, you say from your eyes G3 has been the best, or set the tone in the first three games, or however you wanted to word it. If you would have read my post above I stated nearly the same thing about Camby, except I called him the best:

“Camby has probably been the most consistent player [in the first three games], and if not defiantly the most consistent minute for minute in all three games. Maybe the team MVP thus far, he just hasn’t had the best pure numbers in any of the three to date.” —Cjones10

by Cjones10 on Dec 30, 2011 5:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah

It’s a statistical award! Doesn’t account for impact and the flow of game.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

The Douglas T "eye test" MVP by game

game 1: Gerald Wallace
game 2: Gerald Wallace
game 3: Marcus Camby

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Season MVP

For the eye test, minute for minute IMO would be Marcus Camby.

by Cjones10 on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Minus Camby or Aldridge

The team is in big trouble. Wallace helps, a lot, but he’s not as indispensable.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

every blazer that played

had at least 5 rebounds.

whoa.

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Dec 29, 2011 11:10 PM PST reply actions  

i was looking at the rebound board in the RG

and thinking the same thing. it was nice to see the whole team committed to rebounding. that’s what it’s going to take to prevent the offensive boards that hampered us all last year and the first two games this year.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yup

plus DEN rushing back to prevent fast breaks aided us in that department a bit.

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice to see the opposing team worrying about the Blazers and the Fast Break

Do those two words even go together? Blazers…Fast Break…Must be Christmas again

by TheOdenator52 on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

3-0!

OSU '06
GForce Crash Wallace FTW!

by TyboOSU on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Denver kept the right PG

Not to take away from a good game by Ray but I would take Lawson over Felton too.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

i simulated this

In a tangent universe where the nuggets trade Lawson and keep felton, the entire city of Denver gets sucked into a black hole and pops out as the bobcats… so Yah… def good call

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Felton looks like the better PG to me

Lawson just looks freakishly fast. I wonder how he’d do slowed down about 20%…sore or really tired legs or something?

by poorwebguy on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Lawson is very good. But he had only 3 assists I believe...maybe 5 at the very end of the game.

But the number 3 stood out on the board for a LONG time. Yet he had many points. SHOOT FIRST? Maybe only because he needed to.
Why should he slow down?

by Natsthecat on Dec 30, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

He looks like a guy that will get a lot of points

just leaking out and beating the other team down the floor for an easy lay-up over and over again.

My point was if Lawson was 20% slower than he is, I wonder if he’d have enough game left to make up for not being so freakishly fast.

by poorwebguy on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 AM PST up reply actions  

He plays off ball when Miller is in the game.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Dec 30, 2011 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

sometimes your teammates have a bad night shooting

and denver sucked shooting last nite. that really impacts assists.

the interesting point guard last nite was miller. he had 8 assists, but with better shooting it could easily have been 15. of course, he also had a miserable night shooting the ball.

miller also was + in minutes

by utahcoyote on Dec 30, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Only 2 minutes?

The starters I want to see (Felton, Batum, Wallace, Aldridge, Camby) only played two minutes tonight. In that two minute stint, the team shot 50%, grabbed 4 rebounds, didn’t turn the ball over, and scored 7 pts for +3.

Just sayin’.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM PST reply actions  

These guys aren't consistent enough

To be guaranteed minutes when they struggle. Aldridge, Wallace, Camby, for sure, but Felton/Crawford/Batum/Matthews are interchangeable depending on who’s doing well. It’s gonna be tough for Nate to balance PT with not making players feel pressured to push things.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

wessy was on fire

i think the mins between crawford, wes, and nic will all go between 20-35 depending on who’s hot.

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes he was!

Nate made the right call to ride the hot hand tonight.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Observations from the RG

- Felton needs to get the handle a bit more under control
- Ray hitting those jumpers off the LA postups shows exactly (one reason at least) why we made the swap from Miller
- the next time Matthews finds a teammate wide open for a dunk in transition will be the first
- Wesley should never be the guy initiating the half court offense.
- We fixed that error in the 2nd half, and he exploded doing what he should do – make shots off of kickouts
- Wallace set the tone very early on both ends, and the rest of the team took it from there
- We need to find a way to get LA more involved in the half court, preferably on the move more often
- LA passed well out of the double team tonight, and didn’t try to force too many bad shots
- Camby was the MVP tonight for me. blocks, aggressive rebounds, energy
- Crawford made some timely buckets at time we absolutely needed them. the points in the game last year where we went on big scoring droughts. If he’s our drought killer this year, that’s a big plus
- Batum’s hustle and energy on the glass and off ball defense were a thing of beauty. those short shots he missed will fall more often than not. Him finding a way to contribute when his offense was going bad is a good sign.
- Thomas was Thomas

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Camby was definitely huge tonight

It was unmistakable that he was grabbing every rebound in his vicinity. I wonder what Nene’s night would look like without Camby’s presence.

by Timmay! on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Camby

Leadership.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Great points

I especially agree on Felton’s handle. It needs to be screwed on tighter, especially early in the game. Pretty loosey-goosey. Same with some of this passes. Jamal and our bigs were making the same mistake. Denver seemed to have a plan to jump the passes back to the high key and they ended up with a ton of steals and free runs to our hoop.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

That TO problem

used to go in Nate’s doghouse

by XBlazerfan on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting seeing Nate keep a lid on it

although he was lecturing Jamal after one of his when there was a quick stoppage.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You nailed all three of my complaints about the game...

1) Felton and his handle. I have been pretty unimpressed with his pg play thus far, but he turned a meh game into a good one with his late scoring burst. He has to get that ball under control, he dribbles high and it leads to sloppy passes.
- Paging the blazers, Lamarcus is your best player, your best score, and your biggest low post threat. Get him the ball early and often please. thanks in advance!
-Batum, Nate has to get this guy on the floor more. He is playing with a lot of energy and confidence, Nate needs to nourish it. 30 minutes per game please, I dont care how he does it.

NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....

by Armon Jonesin on Dec 30, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Even when LA didn’t score getting him the ball opened up the offense allowing other guys to make plays.

by guybudpal on Dec 30, 2011 12:35 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

HAIR GEL

My vote as Galinari’s new nickname

by guybudpal on Dec 30, 2011 12:39 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I am all for Batum too,

but, at the same time, no problem with NOT using a guy this season when he is not needed. Wesley caught fire, and the guards were working. Somebody has to sit.
Basically, I am just saying, let’s give it a bit of time to see how usage goes. Nic has to handle the bench some nights, just like the other guards. I do expect (and certainly want) him to get plenty of minutes and be a significant contributor.

by Berkeley on Dec 30, 2011 1:22 AM PST up reply actions  

whoops, cancel 'OTHER' guards

though I do think that is a Nic option….

by Berkeley on Dec 30, 2011 1:23 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

The need to get Nico 5 extra minutes can’t compromise what it takes to win a particular game. I’m sure it will mostly even out anyway.

by poorwebguy on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I am starting to disagree with who our best player is

G3 looks like the best player on the court to me. I love me some LMA, don’t get me wrong, but G3 has been the leader on the court so far this season.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you AR-15

I only hope LMA is still shaking off the heart procedure and no training camp…but at least we have somewhere else to go with the ball this year when LMA is having an off night.

by Chris M 81 on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

LMA

I think he’s a bit rusty, he started out the season slow last year as well. However I also think the loss of andre miller has hurt him. He and Felton simply dont have the on court chemistry that he and Miller had. That will hopefully come, but for now it’s not there.

by moflow on Dec 30, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

i thought Batum was super tentative last night.. did you see him go up soft and miss his dunk attempt?

He’ll get the minutes he deserves once he proves he can play with the same edge Camby and Wallace are playing with. I think he has the “edge”, just hasn’t turned it on yet.

I am, however, turned on by the Blazers 3-0 start.

A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).

by anitachampionship on Dec 30, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

On the bright side

last game against the Kings those were all missed lay-ins. Hopefully against the Clips he’ll just dunk everything viscously and sneer at the other team. A guy can dream lol

by poorwebguy on Dec 30, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too ...that would be cool
Hopefully against the Clips he’ll just dunk everything viscously

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Felton's decision making was atrocious tonight.

It’s takes some time to get used to new team mates, but he really needs to get his passing under control.

by ppilot on Dec 30, 2011 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Rhinocer-less

And no CJ.

Time to sign Przy.

by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

I was excited

to see Craig bang with Nene. Guess maybe next time? Also I have heard rumors of Pryz showing interest in Miami.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice job hitting shots and cleaning up on the glass.

Made up for all the TOs against a team that’s built to run.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM PST reply actions  

there you are!

who was/is the best PF of all time?

by hoodieNation on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Karl "I whisper sweet nothings to the ball before free throws" Malone

Also gotta love his drive into the lane, raise his knee into the opponent’s groin move.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm gonna go with Malone as well

with the caveat that I consider Duncan a center.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Malone and Barkley

are both better then Duncan IMHO. Though Ducan is an all time great.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Is this a world where defense doesn't matter?

Both Charles Barkley and Karl Malone were subpar defensive players.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 30, 2011 2:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Spot on

Duncan’s defense beats Malone’s small advantage on the offensive side….

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 30, 2011 3:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Stockton=

Dirtiest talented white guy ever to play the game

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

stockton is one of the dirtiest players to ever play. period

no caveats needed. not dirty in a thuggy way, just dirty in a tricky way.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

I was being insensitive. Although our briefly beloved Greg Anthony was a pretty dirty get-under-your-skin guy as well (and he’s a good commentator.)

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

And the great Vlade Divac

Irving Thalberg Lifetime Achievement Award for Contributions to Flopping.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh c'mon

Szczerbiak had it coming

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

My sarcasm is broken!

Idk why Bowtie Bowen chose to go that route but it obviously prevented the easy basket lol

(Note: I do not condone kickboxing in basketball)

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I DO condone, however

Maurice Lucas-esque brawls

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Terry Porter's

“We’re losing by 20 in the closing minutes, I’ll just sucker-punch somebody, the benches will clear and the crowd goes wild.”

Evil, but fun to watch.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Abberation. Today’s players would never leave the bench

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

And, like I said,evil

But those of us in the old Glass Palace were a bit like a hockey crowd . . . sobriety was not as widespread a virtue as it is in the Rose Garden.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Wally initiated the contact

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 6:37 AM PST up reply actions  

that was brutal

close to pre-MMA era. maybe its inspiration.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Duncan.

"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth

by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if he takes 15 seconds to shoot free throws

"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth

by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

All I know right now is that Nick Holt needs to dust off his resume.

Back to basketball, I consider Tim Duncan to be the all-time greatest power forward.

Discounting Duncan, I’d take a prime Kevin Garnett over Karl Malone or Charles Barkley.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

i think if you consider him a PF, then it's hard to argue against him

but that’s the rub – a good many people, myself included, consider him a center.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Mike Stoops still available?

Someone … anyone … would be better than Nick Hold as d-coordinator. At this point, I’d go with a cardboard cutout of Jim Lambright over Holt.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I could not disagree with the KG

over Malone pick more. Malone not only out sized KG, but he shot with such ease and actually had some bite to back up his bark. KG is good, but way overrated.

by AR-15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:21 AM PST up reply actions  

As spoken by one with true, first hand insight

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 30, 2011 3:41 AM PST up reply actions  

To clarify

McAdoo had a lower usage rate than Duncan, Malone, Garnett, etc. – had a defensive rating on par with Garnett’s but better than Malone’s, and had a decent assist percentage until his final years with LAL.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 30, 2011 3:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, defensive ratings in the late-'70s need to be adjusted for its era.

Doesn’t surprise me that you’d fail to acknowledge either of those things, though.

You tend to do that often, though, which is why I don’t put much — if any — stock in when you misuse and abuse stats.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 30, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

didnt mcadoo actually play more like a 3

really don’t remember him being an inside beast, but a shooter with a feathery touch.

by utahcoyote on Dec 30, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Catching some of the game near the end, it looked like Denver's shooters had tired legs.

With a few minutes left, Danilo Galinari was wide open for a 3 — which would’ve cut into Portland’s lead — that he bricked. I believe the score was 104-100 when Denver couldn’t buy a bucket.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

That will be a big theme this year - back-to-backs

At halftime I figured that – even though we blew a nice lead – we had a good chance of winning the game due to the Thuggets playing last night and us resting.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It might have been Roy in his early days but not last year

We got the first one this year but it was Sacto at home. If Nate keeps such a tight rotation it will be tough to do that consistently. That’s why we need to blow open any games we can so the starters can rest. This team feels like they could do that against 1/3 of the league.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Denver has seemed to have shed the "Thuggets" label.

With Melo, Kenyon Martin, and J.R. Smith gone, Chris Andersen is all that’s left.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I just like the ring of it

and to use it against a brother who lives in CO.

Also, while not milk it while we can, sort of like other fans might still use jailblazers.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

and birdman has been getting more colorful

Which makes him look more like an ice cream truck than a thug

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

i was about to post the same thing

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

First game I had ever been to.

Could not have been much better. Nothing beats being right there watching the action. After twenty one years of listening and watching on TV, its going to be hard to go back.

by guybudpal on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 PM PST via Android app reply actions   4 recs

Awesome

Hope you shared it with friends!

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

If you are female or go with a female friend

Security never tests the contents of hairspray bottles in purses. Just sayin’ . . .

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude ...don't you get it ??? They have alkyhole in der

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 6:40 AM PST up reply actions  

My wife carries a flask

Saves us a grip when we go out to party. And shes so smooth about spiking her oj/pineapple juice. I never see her do it! She even got away with it in the casino! Not to shabby!

by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

113, H, #7

Loved um, my friend bought : )

by guybudpal on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

The players are so much bigger, that's what struck me

On TV, a point guard looks tiny compared to the other players. Live, Damon Stoudamire could crush my skull with his pinky toe.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I like it best

Many of the rest were Evil (we had dogfighting before it was cool.). Damon’s was just mind-bogglingly Dumb. And he apologized out his earhole for it in subsequent years.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabonis was the freakiest

7’-3" and he was completely proportional unlike most of the big guys. His head seemed like it was about 18" tall.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 29, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

hey posted down a ways,

yes It did, and I’m from Takilma BTW. Mobile commenting sucks

by guybudpal on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

It did

Hoop looks way shorter players look way bigger. BTW I am from Takilma so I went to middle school there

by guybudpal on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Right on

Moved to medford for high-school myself. Parents still have property out there . if you know takilma you probably know the Barn which is where I was born and raised

by guybudpal on Dec 30, 2011 12:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I thought we were all born and raised in a barn out here! LOL

I actually do know of the “Barn”, atleast I think I do. Alot of my bestest friends live in Takilma.

by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Not sure how old you are but I brothers and sisters in their thirties with kids in middle school and high school.

by guybudpal on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

that's what she said.

A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).

by anitachampionship on Dec 30, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Glad you could see it in person

I still remember my first game. It was against the Sonics their last year in Seattle. What a blast.

by Blazer_fann on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

FAN-tastic!

Great game to watch, nice to keep home court advantage. Win one of these next 3, I’ll b happy. Two I’ll be thinking WCF. 3? I’m booking flights to Miami…

by Visionary1 on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 PM PST reply actions  

was at the game. And yes the Blazers probably had 18 turnovers...

but some weren’t…they were fouls called that weren’t and out of bounds calls that should have gon e to the Blazers and didn’t. There were some really questionable offensive fouls…

by Natsthecat on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of officials, does anyone know the name of the #66 ref who officiated the game tonight?

I asked it earlier but it might of been skipped as I posted during the game.

Bat88m

by RyanRTE on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad you noticed

He had some bad calls

by guybudpal on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

the main reason is because I think he officiated the Kings game too and was god awful.

I was hoping he was just betting on the game or something, but apparently he hates our players.

Just kidding.

Bat88m

by RyanRTE on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Inside-out game was a great, unexpected answer to Denver's defensive strategy

LMA’s six assists were the difference in the game…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM PST reply actions  

I really have loved LMA's passing in this early season.

Such an improvement from even the Suns series. He was getting better at it last year but he looks really comftorable giving it up out of double teams now.

Bat88m

by RyanRTE on Dec 30, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Zach Randolph never figured out how to pass from a double-team

When we had him. Maybe he can now, I dunno.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 30, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah he used to be

criticized for not passing out of the double team.

by XBlazerfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a feeling

LMA has worked on diversifying his game but is a little tentative out of the gate. I saw him moving in different ways but not confidently following through. Stay tuned!

by XBlazerfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:07 AM PST reply actions  

well, we all knew it was going to be an adjustment for him

bigs rely on guys getting them the ball in the right spot, where they are comfortable getting it. LA lost Miller, Rudy, and Roy – all guys who played a big part in getting him the ball the last few years. Obviously, there’s going to be an adjustment period between him and Felton and Crawford.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I have all but given up on the Felton To Aldridge pick and ROLL.

I wish Aldridge had learned a thing or two from Amare about rolling to the rim in the Pheonix series.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 30, 2011 1:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You guys have looked very good so far

And you are great to watch. Probably my favorite team in the West besides my hometown teams in LA.

I think you guys will snag the 3 or the 4 seed. Really impressed with both Aldridge and Matthews so far.

by NewCavsfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

thanks!

been a long time since my Blazer have been considered a great/fun team to watch. I like it!

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

That's completely believable

It’s an insane amount of turnovers in a victory. Felt like the coughed up the ball on every other possession.

by Timmay! on Dec 30, 2011 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

nope. not even close

http://bkref.com/tiny/mQAoT

we’ve had 368 wins sinc 1986 in which we’ve had 25 or more TOs

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Dec 30, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Scratch that

that’s all teams.

POR has had 20 until tonight.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Zozym

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Dec 30, 2011 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

31 turnovers in 1985 against the Warriors and still won. GSW had 26 of their own

That must be one of the uglier games (or truly great defensive games) in Blazer history.

by Timmay! on Dec 30, 2011 1:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Nuggets played small and traded rebounds for steals/forced turn overs

which nearly evened out. They had more foul shots to even out the difference in shooting a little but not all the way. We shot 52/40/90…just insane.

I can’t figure out how the Nuggets shot as badly as they did with so many easy lay-ups though. That’s terrible!

by poorwebguy on Dec 30, 2011 2:01 AM PST reply actions  

Good write up Dave-

I’m excited for this team, I like the way they play, and I think as people and players they are easy to cheer for, and I know you’ve been working hard to temper some of the BEdge optimism (which has been tempered by the injuries and events of the last few years), but it sounds like you’re enjoying the Blazers again. Good news for us fans who enjoy your site.

by simoninaustralia on Dec 30, 2011 3:36 AM PST reply actions  

I have never not enjoyed the Blazers

nor am I significantly more optimistic about their overall chances now than I was three games ago. As I said in the recap, the main defining characteristic of this win is that they pulled it out in circumstances that would otherwise lead to a loss. That’s great in the guts department but not great for the long-term prognosis department. Denver would probably kill them again in the same kind of game, let alone the better teams. But a win is a win, no matter what.

I never work to temper optimism or pessimism. I tell what I see, which sometimes tends to be different than the prevailing trend of commentary.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 30, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm probably biased cause it was the most recent game

but that has to be the most frustrating Blazer win I’ve seen. The sloppy passing and awful perimeter defense/rotations were the two biggest issues. I kept saying to myself that leaving Denver shooters open would eventually cost the Blazers the game and they were very lucky in that regard.

Can someone please teach this team how to do a backdoor cut when the defender overplays?

On a positive note it’s good to see that the team doesn’t have to hit on all cylinders to win a game against a good opponent.

#7

by Magnum on Dec 30, 2011 4:24 AM PST reply actions  

I chalked perimeter defense up to

daring them to shoot at some point. They were killing us in the paint but they couldn’t hit anything from 3.

by poorwebguy on Dec 30, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Game ball goes to Kurt Thomas

based solely on the fact that he’s the only Blazer who didn’t turn the ball over.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn't love you. And you can walk away from someone you don't love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

-Brandon Roy as told to Jason Quick of The Oregonian

by The_Natural on Dec 30, 2011 7:15 AM PST reply actions  

so you are saying....if we give him the game ball

he won’t lose it?

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 30, 2011 8:06 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

rec! :)

A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).

by anitachampionship on Dec 30, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

game ball to mathews and his burst of 3s

if they don’t happen and denver wins, this thread would be all about how feltons poor handles gave the game away.

game ball 2 to crawford for doing what he does best when we needed it.

by utahcoyote on Dec 30, 2011 7:49 AM PST reply actions  

Wooooooo, that was fun!!

Glad I was able to make it to a game while home.

#52

by bustabucket on Dec 30, 2011 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

Boys should not have won...

30,000 turn overs and wiiiiiiiide open 3s for Denver. That needs to be cleaned up. But I’m glad they found a way to win.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Dec 30, 2011 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

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