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Media Row Report: Blazers 101, Kings 79

The Portland Trail Blazers defeated the Sacramento Kings, 101-79, at the Rose Garden on Tuesday night to improve to 2-0 on the young season.

This one started much uglier than it should have but ended exactly as it needed to. The Blazers simply neutered a young Sacramento team, holding the Kings to less than 80 points and just 14 in the fourth quarter. The Kings made nine shots in the second half, shooting 23.7% after the break. It's impossible to compete with those numbers, especially when your roster is built around a trio of score-first, score-only guards and asks one man -- Chuck Hayes -- to play a team's worth of defense.

What happened here? Blazers coach Nate McMillan made the correct adjustment.

There Blazers guard Raymond Felton was again, lying flat on the court with the ball no longer under his control during a critical fourth quarter possession. Portland led by 12 points with 5:35 to play, a similar situation to Monday night's eventual nail-biter against the Philadelphia 76ers. Leaving the game in Felton's hands on Monday saw Philadelphia storm back on a 19-9 run to make the game way more interesting than it needed to be.

Given a second chance, McMillan correctly pulled the plug, sending in forward Nicolas Batum to take Felton's spot in the backcourt, alongside Jamal Crawford, and never looking back.

"I thought guys looked a little fatigued," McMillan explained. "I thought Raymond got a little tired, turned the ball over a couple of times. Crawford had a bounce. His shot wasn't falling but he had a bounce."

From there, Portland closed on a 16-6 run, putting the game so far out of reach that the Rose Garden was able to serenade Gerald Wallace, the Blazers were able to run their patented "six players on the court" routine, Luke Babbitt was able to get a trillion in the box score, and Nolan Smith was able to shimmy while delivering Chalupas. That's shutting the door.

The run was the product of a smothering, active and unified defensive unit that consisted of Crawford, Batum, Gerald Wallace, LaMarcus Aldridge and Marcus Camby. McMillan arrived at that quintet in part because of a mild back strain suffered by starting guard Wesley Matthews, who struggled throughout and might have seen the bench late anyway even if he hadn't suffered the injury. Removing Matthews and leaving Camby created an ultra-big version of a possible Crawford/Matthews/Batum/Wallace/Aldridge finishing group I mentioned last night, one that presents a nightmare for any team that lacks veteran decision-makers and athletic, confident shot creators at multiple positions.

If you can't make this group pay for its aggressiveness plus score over the top or through the Aldridge/Camby tandem, then things will get ugly. Ugly it got on Tuesday. Sacramento shot 5-for-19 while committing six turnovers in the fourth quarter. Forget about it.

Defense first and defense creating offense are becoming early themes this year. Somewhat surprisingly, McMillan acknowledged that he doesn't really lose much offensively with the Crawford-for-Felton swap either. "We can run pretty much the same sets with Crawford or Raymond in the game," McMillan said. "That's a long, athletic team that should be able to defend as well as run." If the goal late is high pick-and-rolls with Aldridge, Crawford is more than capable. So far he's proven to be calmer and more reliable with the ball, although his shot is notoriously streaky and his trigger finger is notoriously itchy.

Bigger than the Crawford/Felton choice, right now, is the fact that Tuesday's late-game look once again raised the issue of finding minutes for Batum. His inclusion in the fourth quarter helped him reach 28 minutes of playing time, eight more than he saw on opening night. It wasn't looking good for him in the beginning on Tuesday, as McMillan waited to bring him on as the ninth Blazers player to touch the court thanks to Wallace's 10-point first quarter effort.

Asked if he wanted to play more than the 20 minutes he saw against Philadelphia, Batum, who averaged more than 31 minutes per game last season, didn't even let the question finish before answering.

"Yeah," he said. "I love to be on the court, I love to be on this court especially. The more I'm on the court, the more I'm happy."

Does he want to get back to closing games like he has in previous years?

"Yes. Yes. Of course. Yes."

His play through two games has shown an uncertainty often seen in players struggling to adjust into a new role or fit into a diminished one. Batum is 8-for-22 from the field and has regularly deferred when circumstances have provided the opportunity to think or over-think. In the open court, with instinct captaining the ship, he's been much better. Batum knows the lineup juggling isn't likely to end soon and he said that he is still unsure of who will eventually emerge as the go-to finishers.

"I don't know, it changes every time," he said. "Utah, yesterday, today, it was a different lineup. We have so many guys we can play."

Batum says he's willing and comfortable playing the two spot, citing his recent time in France, and he certainly wasn't fighting the idea that Tuesday's closing combination could have some staying power.

"We learned from our mistakes from yesterday," Batum said. "We kept playing defense, rebound, stay calm, execute the offense and didn't do the crazy things like we did yesterday... L.A., G, Camby and I, that's four long guys on the court and we can deny a lot of things."

One thing you can't deny is that something has to give. Another: Tuesday's version was a much better model than Monday's. Now we wait to see what Thursday reveals.

Random Game Notes

  • As mentioned, Batum was the ninth member of the team to step on the court. Fellow reserves Jamal Crawford, Kurt Thomas and Chris Johnson all checked in before he did. McMillan said that the rotation tweak was a product of Wallace's fast start and not a predetermined lineup or rotation adjustment.
  • On paper, Wallace should eat up every member of the Sacramento Kings. In reality, he did: 25 points on 11 shots, eight rebounds, five assists, two blocks.
  • Great photo by Bruce Ely of The Oregonian: Wallace taking a courtside seat during the game. "Trying to play an uptempo game kind of gets to you sometimes," Wallace said after the game. "As soon as a break stops, you try to find the first seat you can."
  • Wallace's weakside block shot and perfectly placed crosscourt pass to a streaking Batum for the finish was a thing of beauty.
  • Blazers center Marcus Camby joked after the game that he was ready to play again on Wednesday night to complete the back-to-back-to-back. Informed of this, LaMarcus Aldridge deadpanned, "He can play by himself."
  • Much was made of a pre-game ice bath that Aldridge took to reinvigorate himself. He said it's "definitely" not something he'll try again. "When the game started, I was in quicksand... It made me kind of slow in the first half." Aldridge finished with 24 points and 8 rebounds on 10-for-15 shooting.
  • There was a substantial group of early-arriving fans in Jimmer Fredette jerseys and BYU sweatshirts. They shrieked with his every made field goal.
  • Paging Tyreke Evans. Hello?
  • Because of the back-to-back, the Blazers opted for an afternoon shootaround on Tuesday rather than a morning shootaround. This will be something to watch in the shortened season. The Blazers have gone to the afternoon variety on occasion in previous years but, the thinking goes, they will more often do away with the morning workout to allow for longer rest periods and more sleep during a compressed schedule.

Nate McMillan's Post-Game Comments

What changed at the end of the first half

I thought the defense picked up. We got to our tempo. We started to get some stops defensively and we started to get out and run. The first half, that team shot 50 percent, pretty much got what they wanted, got to the rim, got a number of uncontested attempts at the rim and I thought that we were stagnant in the first half. The defense turned up which led to some transition and then we were able to get out and score some points.

Gerald Wallace wasn't stagnant

His energy was great. Whenever I've been able to get him at the four he's doing some aggressive things, trapping, running with Nic and Gerald, it really gives us a lot of speed. That combination in this short season has been pretty good for us. He's just all over the place providing energy, toughness on the boards, blocking shots, he got Salmons in foul trouble early by going to him in the post. I thought it was a solid job tonight.

Attacking their guards when Isaiah Thomas and Jimmer Fredette were in the game together

We just take advantage of situations that teams give us. We had some match-ups that I thought we did a nice job of taking advantage of that. I thought they took advantage of their match-ups in the first half where Fredette was pretty aggressive in the pick-and-roll and creating some opportunities. Second half, we made him work defensively and it gave us the advantage.

Importance of depth

Look we're going to play. Depth is going to be important for everybody. We've got guys that can play, they were ready to play tonight and we're going to have to substitute some guys. I thought Craig Smith came in and gave us a nice lift, it felt like we needed some beef in there. He came in and gave us a nice lift. He also can give us an offensive presence in the post. We made a sub, we liked the combination of Craig and Kurt and I thought that that group gave us some solid minutes.

Big lineup in fourth

I thought guys looked a little fatigued. I thought Raymond got a little tired, turned the ball over a couple of times. Crawford had a bounce. His shot wasn't falling but he had a bounce. We wanted to keep that tempo fast. I thought his defense was solid and we can run pretty much the same sets with Crawford or Raymond in the game. Nicolas was at the two with Wesley, who hurt his back, so that allowed Nicolas to play the two with Gerald, Camby and LaMarcus. That's a long, athletic team that should be able to defend as well as run.

Would you go to that lineup even if Wesley was healthy?

We've got that option. We'll see.

Better down the stretch than against the 76ers

Each night our goal is to improve on areas that we've had a weakness in or we didn't play well. I thought tonight we kind of had to slug it out the first half. The second half, we established ourselves defensively. I thought we kind of wore them down. Offensively that led to us getting out and running.

Nicolas into the game later in the first quarter. Function of Gerald playing well or match-ups or?

Gerald was playing well.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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Chips game by game MVP

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GAME 1 MVP = LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE:
11-25 FG, 3-4 FT, 25 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TO = 47 SNP*

GAME 2 MVP = GERALD WALLACE
8-11 FG, 8-9 FT, 25 PTS, 8 REB, 5 AST, 0 STL, 2 BLK, 1 TO = 49 SNP*

by Cjones10 on Dec 28, 2011 12:48 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

It will be interesting to see who wins more between G. Wall and L.A. — Camby has came close the first two games, real real real close the first game.

by Cjones10 on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone tell Aldridge

The ice bath isn’t about preserving you for one game, it’s about preserving you for a full season.

by Sir.Ludo on Dec 28, 2011 1:32 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, marked difference when Matthews was pulled for Nic.

It was funny because I had just made that comment and it happened.
It was like Nate McMillan had read my mind.

Nic plays very well. He needs to play more. Especially in this open court style. He and Wallace play very well together.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 1:38 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Nic at the 2 gives the Blazers a chance to get their best players on the floor at one time

That is more important than setting up a bench rotation – especially when Batum represents a significant mismatch on the offensive end and will rarely, if ever, be mismatched on the defensive end.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 1:53 AM PST up reply actions  

True, it worked great the 2nd game of the season.

Nic needs more time yes. Nate is still working out rotations with new players.

At some point, Nate is going to have to look at sparing Camby some minutes.
A lineup with GW at the 4 and Nic at the 3, with rotating Camby/LA and KT at the 5 may just make me eat my words about exiting in the playoffs, I hope so ! I don’t think sitting Wes$ is the complete answer. It is just another lineup Nate can use as a weapon.

Go Blazers !!!!

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Dec 28, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Camby is only at 25 mins a game now

how much lower do you expect?

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Second game all I'm saying.

Dont count your chickens before they hatch with Camby playing a full injury free season.

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Dec 28, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the lineup
The run was the product of a smothering, active and unified defensive unit that consisted of Crawford, Batum, Gerald Wallace, LaMarcus Aldridge and Marcus Camby.

I have a fanpost up advocating the exact same group…so, you know, bad ass.

by Wotan on Dec 28, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'ed for Nic and Wallace playing together

They both have such great instincts for where to be and where the ball needs to go. Batum still overpasses a bit more when he should just shoot or penetrate and dunk, but they find each other in open court situations and in the offense in open space.

I know Nate is working out rotations and some games will be different due to match ups but I would really like to see Batum getting off the bench first for whoever needs to come out. Just get him on the floor.

I like Matthews on defense and in principle as a hustle guy but his decision making can be brutal. At least he is looking up the floor for Wallace and getting him the ball in the open court. IMO, less Matthews and more Batum.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Dec 28, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Completely agree!!!
Batum still overpasses a bit more when he should just shoot or penetrate and dunk,

Did you see the one that Batum passed to Matthews and Matthews went in and MISSED….also read where Batum was near the basket and Matthews DIDN’T pass to him and missed. I didn’t see that one…but I was frustrated when Batum passed when he could have gotten the dunk or lay in or drawn a foul…TOO UNSELFISH.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

re: the first one (on the 2on 1 break)

Batum absolutely made the correct play by passing. Wesley should have immediately passed it back. Instead he went up with it and commited a charging foul.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 28, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Does it seem like charges are being called more this year?

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by VTDuck on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

a good fast break is ball movement

"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 28, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Matthews ran right to the training room.

Nic deserves burn though. He’s looking like a killer this year.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I am sure hoping Nate finds the way to make Nic and Gerald work together

Nate:

that allowed Nicolas to play the two with Gerald, Camby and LaMarcus. That’s a long, athletic team that should be able to defend as well as run.

and
trapping, running with Nic and Gerald, it really gives us a lot of speed

You (or at least I) have to love those fast break baskets giving us the easy shot before the defense can get set (while wearing them down running)
I think Nate is seeing what some fans are seeing….

Nic:

I love to be on this court especially

‘this court’ being the Blazers court – I think we have a lot of agreement here…
Let’s put our talent to good use.

by Berkeley on Dec 28, 2011 1:38 AM PST reply actions  

I liked how Crawford played overall when paired with Nic.

It was like he had more options and shared the ball. Would it be the same with Wesley off the bench?

I feel like with Crawford and Wesley in, you have one trigger happy guy and one bull in a china shop. Both equate to easier break points by the other team.

Maybe Crawford would settle down with Pick and Rolls with Thomas, Wallace or Smith?

Lots we could work with and improve. Nate is still having to feel out who works well together and how

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 4:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Ben! did you read that tweet about that said Nick Batum said

he felt like the Blazers don’t really need him? it was a tweet.
Did you get the impression at all that Batum is frustrated?
He sounded pretty upbeat in the post game radio interview.
He sounded like he’d been in France for several months also…more of the French accent coming through!

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 1:43 AM PST reply actions  

I care about what Nic feels more once he starts producing

Minutes are earned. Gerald has proven he deserves his. It wasn’t until Nic performed at the 2 that I saw a case for more for him. Eventually, teams will test his handles. He also needs to finish better.

Point is his minutes are on him

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 4:37 AM PST up reply actions  

This argument doesn't really hold up, in context
Point is his minutes are on him

McMillan started Blake over Fernandez, in 09/10 – when Roy was injured – giving us a Blake/Miller backcourt. Fernandez – at the time – had not yet imploded. That choice by McMillan was the beginning of the end for Fernandez. Rudy checked out, and never really checked back in.

McMillan played Mills over 700 minutes last season, and Armon only 230 or so – for no justifiable reason. McMillan thought highly enough of Johnson to warrant trading Bayless at the beginning of the season, but basically gave up on him after a couple of high turnover games. That is not how physical prodigies develop, by the way. Take Westbrook for example – whose very similar stats to Johnson’s would have kept him on McMillan’s bench. Instead, Westbrook was allowed to play through mistakes and develop into one of the best guards in the game.

Batum has the kind of talent that transcends guys like Mathews – and McMillan should be finding ways to get Batum in the game and develop a consistent role.

If McMillan can get over his dependence on stereotypes and “roles”, he will have grown immensely as a coach. It could happen, this year.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 5:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I keep hearing how McMillan is "Holding players back"

Bayless et al…. How have these players “who just need minutes” fared elsewhere… Hey, we saw one last night. Travis Outlaw!

I think Nate is a better judge than us of where a player is. He sees them way more through the day than we do.

Nic was tentative until late in the game. Offensively, He still was a bit soft. he missed layups he should of dunked. However, once he stepped up, he got minutes.

Nic’s ability continues to be based on other things. Who he is playing with (Wallace), He has the potential. Heck, Crash is like a third option and still just makes it happen within the context of the game.Right now Nic reminds me of “Lamarsha”. LMA, was the one who decided enough of soft. Nic needs to do the same

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 6:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudy's failures blamed on Nate?!?

He was given every opportunity to succeed. Blaming Nate is revisionist history.

by 52therim on Dec 28, 2011 6:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Blaming McMillan for the Rudy regression isn't revisionist - it's rehashionist

I may be wrong – but I doubt it. Few players regress like Rudy did – although he had complications from injury. Biggest point is that Rudy and McMillan were incompatible once it came time to increase Rudy’s role. Rudy’s solution was to whine, seek trade, and mentally disengage. In other words – Rudy was unprofessional in how he responded – and it showed up on the court. That doesn’t mean McMillan wasn’t responsible for very poor management of an asset.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Revisionist it is

Rudy went down ..when Rudy got crushed by Ariza. He was never the same player again

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy's regression under McMillan's watch is no mirage

Rudy was injured by Ariza in his rookie year – and came back to finish that season strong. He had back surgery in Dec 2009 – the following season – but his 3pt% really nosedived after McMillan started Blake alongside Miller when Roy went down.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So ...how is his shooting now that he is away from Nate?

Small sample size I know …but it isn’t looking good so far

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

he is looking good in a Denver uni right this second actually

"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 28, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Let the Lakers have the drama queens

or the Mavs. or the Nuggets. If Rudy’s lack of success is on Nate in any way then so be it.

Rudy had plenty of chances. He averaged near 24 mpg here in Portland. When it came down to it, pandering to Rudy to try and increase his performance wasn’t optimal for the team’s performance. I think Nate recognized that.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, Rudy got some extended minutes last year in spite of his shooting.

He became a hustler on Defense who got into passing lanes and disrupted things.

The more i think about it, Rudy might be a bad example for both the pro and anti Nate Camps. I really do agree his injury is where he went down. Nate pulled him as a result of hesitation. He got minutes prior to the injury when he was more aggressive/assertive. He lost minutes as he started to settle for jump shots. He got more minutes as he got scrappy on defense…

Overall, here is where I am coming from… It applies to calls on coaches from Little league to the NBA. I still think we make way too many judgments on the coach who has a lot of time with these players to get a feel for them. Last night I was screaming to post LMA down low as Sacs Bigs both had 5 fouls. In hindsight, Nate went to Batum in an obvious mismatch and a player with fresher legs… Can’t say he was wrong

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree on all points here

and I can admit that Rudy had his bright and shining moments. I’m just not much for whiners I guess.

Nate isn’t the best coach in the league but he’s probably up there in the top 10 current somewhere. One of these days we’ll lose him and get stuck with someone like VDN. At least the pro and anti Nate factions will be able to agree at that point.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He played better when he was in with the first unit guys

I agree with you a bit and wanted him to be more aggressive but Crawford spent much of his time looking for his shot in the second quarter which seriously limited anyone else from getting into any kind of offensive flow. Once Batum was in with guys who were looking to share and set each other up, things started to flow for him. Crawford looked to pass much more in the second half also which was good to see.

I don’t see Nate holding him back. I think he is doing what in most years would have been handled in training camp and the first 10 games or so of the season, seeing how guys play together in different combinations. It is crazy to think this team has only been together for 20 days and added Crawford and Smith about 13 days ago.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Dec 28, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I generally agree with this

But Nic NEEDS to be on the court. He needs to average 30+ mpg. He is our swiss army knife. He needs to develop and/or he needs to be showcased. He deserves the time. If Nic isn’t utilized heavily this season (much more than 24 mpg) it will be a significant McMillan issue for me. Much larger than any of the players generally mentioned during the course of this debate. This isn’t Outlaw or Bayless or Armon. This is Batum. This is the guy who started at 19 yrs old for us, showed just this summer he was one of the best in players Euroleague, and at 6’9 can play 3 positions on offense and guard 4 positions on defense. There is no excuse for 24 mpg and I expect it to change.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Dec 28, 2011 8:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If he plays like the second half or better

He will… A lot of Crawfords minutes are resting Felton or when Wallace is on the bench. The arguments that Nic gets Crawford minutes seem to ignore this. Actually, Nic Played really well with Crawford and Wallace. Energy equals fast break points.

It is really early. let Nate explore combinations. Nate has used Nic at different positions. First man off the floor most nights will be Camby. Nic doesn’t exactly fill his shoes. On some nights, matchups will allow him in for Camby. Not most though

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly I'm still hoping to see him deserve 30+

I love Nic’s versatility and I believe he has some of the talent. He started 67 games last season and got 31+ mpg and still had issues with inconsistency and inconsistent shooting. Statistically the defense wasn’t all that either though he did get some tough assignments.

I completely understand Nate trying to figure out where he fits again. I’m hoping Nic responds positively to getting chances to prove he’s the guy that everyone seems to believe he can be. I’d even take that in small steps.

If We$ loses the starting spot to Nic fair and square then so be it. We’ll always see Nico in the small ball line-up and quite possibly the closing line-up too.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't need Nic to start over Wes necessarily

but even when he’s inconsistent he’s still good to have on the court. His rebounding has been more assertive so far and his defensive presence is almost always a benefit. Matthews and Crawford aren’t exactly the model of consistency either. I think good things tend to happen when Nic is on the court.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Actually between the 1, 2 and three, there are 144 minutes available

Most should go to the following players~

Wallace
Batum
Matthews
Felton
Crawford

That works out to just over 28 minutes per player available. Adjust up and down due to matchups, injury, who is hot… But I think there is enough on most nights. Thing is, make them INTENSE minutes from each guy and we free up time for Nolan, Elliot, Babbit….

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Nolan shouldn't be getting any run at this point

no reason JC, Felton, Wesley, and Batum shouldn’t take every available guard minute.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Nolan Smith would look good in San Antonio right now.

Smith, who’d be an upgrade over T.J. Ford and Cory Joseph, would thrive there.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 28, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd put Williams in over Smith and give felton/crawford every pg minute.

Smith has not looked well at pg, if we are going to give minutes to a young prospect at guard that cant play point, I’d prefer it be the uber athletic Williams with a surprisingly soft jumpshot…

NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....

by Armon Jonesin on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

HOPE so...on the McMillan growing thing.

I have a feeling that the coach who suggested the last play in that San Antonio game may be really good…and maybe he will whisper in Nate’s ear….

Nate has improved. He REALLY annoyed me with some of his rotations a few years ago. I think things improved when he started sleeping…which he did last season.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Crawford sure earned those minutes hoisting up shots. Give me a break. If I’m batum, I’m outta here. Nate has no ability to define roles. Players don’t no what they are supposed to do especially young players. Experienced players coach themselves. There is areas on Nate needs 15 assistant coaches. He’s clueless when it comes to x and o and utilizing players.

by Cabbol on Dec 28, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate's team is getting really good shots,

they’re just not good enough to make them all.

Nic looked awesome last night. He was looking for his shot and out on the break every chance he could get. He also looked smart in his defensive assignments. Nic will be fine. He doesn’t deserve to start in front of Wallace so it’s really a matter of whether or not you start him at the 2.

I agree with you that he deserves Crawford’s minutes, but Crawford can actually cover the PG position with his handle. Nic is a good all-around player but he’s not a viable primary ball handler. Relax. It will turn out fine for Nic.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

That's how it looked to me last night but,

I think Wesley is more suited to guard certain players. He’s more physical. He also has a better motor, although Nic’s rebounding lately is possession creating in its own right. I like the fact that we have both. It won’t be long until the two are interchangeable. I can’t see see the Blazers dealing Matthews’ reasonable contract and I don’t see the them letting Batum get away either.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

We will certainly see

The Batum Wallace chemistry looks strong and is fun to watch.

If you do not see much of it tomorrow that ain’t on nic, that IS on nate.

"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 28, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Nic will calm down later in the year when his shot starts falling more consistently. He has to become a better finisher.

This guy gets up above the rim where all he has to do is drop the ball in the hoop. If he didn’t blow a few of those every night I think he’d be looking a lot better.

by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 28, 2011 1:45 AM PST reply actions  

actually I didn't see Batum blow any of those last night.

He may have. I did miss a few minutes of the game at one point. I saw WAY more misses at the basket from Felton and Matthews.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

two pretty bad blown layups

one where he posted Jimmeretta, missed layup and then follow, another on the break where he laid it up too hard. But lots of people blew layups last night, yes

scrappy

by Honka Playboy on Dec 28, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

finding post play range is not as simple as you would think…

As awesome as Aldridge’s transformation as a real post presence was last year, he did struggle with hitting those post shots early in the season in a major way. It is a change in style ofplay, it will take time to adjust to become proficient, is 20 minutes enough time to do it?

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— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 28, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

"Wallace's weakside block shot and perfectly placed crosscourt pass to a streaking Batum for the finish was a thing of beauty."

you g w right it was

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by junkface on Dec 28, 2011 1:57 AM PST reply actions  

Uh, Ben? The notorious "small-sample size"?

There’s no reason to look for controversies in player-minutes yet. Also, in this compressed and overbooked, everyone is going to get his chance. So far it’s WW despite all manner of imperfection. Let’s see how the team fares versus tougher opposition.

I’m looking at the positives so far: Gerald Wallace, Lamarcus Aldridge, the helpful experienced pros.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 28, 2011 2:14 AM PST reply actions  

Things are different this year - smaller sample sizes will be play disproportionate roles in decision making

I sense McMillan making results-based decisions early – but we can’t fault that until we see real trends.

I still lament a lot of McMillan decisions – but his handling of main rotation players this year has been a revelation. I like the adjustments he has made so far – something I wasn’t expecting to say…

Now, if he would just dedicate some minutes to developing or at least evaluating the best physical talent, I’d have to change my opinion of Nate’s long term fit with this team.

Right now, though – Nate is making ‘playoff’ style adjustments to find out what he has in a compressed time frame. Good on him and his staff.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Slight critique of Nate/Crawford late in the game

Sacramento’s bigs both had 5 fouls. That is when you post LMA deep and make them pay. However, much of our offense at that point was transition. But, an area to look for and improve. LMA can post deep off the transition

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 4:41 AM PST up reply actions  

LMA posting deep off transition is one of my favorite plays

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 5:36 AM PST up reply actions  

good point
compressed and overbooked, everyone is going to get his chance.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Can you type louder?

Many people didn’t hear you

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd really like to see Batum take a different approach to his variation in minutes

Yeah, it sucks to be moved around like that, but the best thing to do is to play HARDER and force your way into the lineup by playing too well to be ignored.

#7

by Magnum on Dec 28, 2011 3:40 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

This ^

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 4:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually disagree with this

This crazy schedule is already enough pressure, if he starts thinking too much in the minutes he does have, his play could really suffer. He needs to just play his game and leave it all on the court. If he’s only getting 20-25 minutes a game then he needs to make sure that he is exhausted by the time he is getting subbed out. Coach will notice that kind of effort and he’ll get his minutes.

Of course, in a way we are kind of saying the same thing. Mostly I just don’t want him worrying too much about having to force his game to prove something. Play smart on O, work hard on D, and hustle as much as possible and he will have no problems.

by Batumshakalaka on Dec 28, 2011 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Batum needs to step up

Its go time for him. Contract year. Right now Wallace cannot come off the court. Nate knows it, dude does everything out there. Batum and Wallace look good out there together, with Batum at the 2 and Crawford…..I like that line up. Wesley’s minutes are there for the taking so far with his poor shooting.

by breakerfall on Dec 28, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Man, this season is really going to show just how good of a coach Nate is.

Not only the running, trusting the guards and the lineup challenges, but taking advantage of mismatches is going to be huge this year.

by Batumshakalaka on Dec 28, 2011 5:39 AM PST reply actions  

Or

How bad. Let’s hope he doesn’t have the injury excuse this year. If 1 and done, I think Nate needs to go. He really has provided nothing but mediocrity in his career. This is his make or break year.

by Cabbol on Dec 28, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

We're pretty spoiled for a small market team

Here’s hoping that revelation doesn’t come crashing down on us one of these days.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I could not disagree more

he has struggled with inconsistent lineups his whole time in Portland and done quite well. And he has done superbly. I think most basketball experts are in agreement. I cannot think of an excpetion

scrappy

by Honka Playboy on Dec 28, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

"He really has provided nothing but mediocrity in his career."

Now that I’ve wiped up the coffee I just spat all over the table…

To work with a healthy line-up and allow them to be just good enough—well, that might be defined as mediocrity.

To raise the fortunes of injury-depleted teams by figuring out how to get the remaining players contributing at their highest levels—that’s brilliance.

"Tom Lawson McCall, Governor or Oregon, invites you to visit . . . Washington, Idaho, Nevada, or Afghanistan." --Pair of bumper stickers on our baby blue 1966 Plymouth Fury III when I was growing up in Portland, BC (Before Championship).

by VTDuck on Dec 28, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Well

I think we will see this season one way or another.

The nate question might finally get answered

"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 28, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

"Or how bad"

That’s what I meant to imply. If he’s really as good as the rest of the league thinks, then he has his chance to prove it. If reverts back to sarge and the team suffers for it, then we’ll know for sure.

by Batumshakalaka on Dec 28, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely!

Let’s hope he’s ready to make the most of the possibilities. It should be fun to watch.

"Tom Lawson McCall, Governor or Oregon, invites you to visit . . . Washington, Idaho, Nevada, or Afghanistan." --Pair of bumper stickers on our baby blue 1966 Plymouth Fury III when I was growing up in Portland, BC (Before Championship).

by VTDuck on Dec 28, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If he's such a great coach, I hope he doesn't run against Denver.

Running against the Nuggets will get the Trail Blazers slaughtered.

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by AK1984 on Dec 28, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke? I remember his first visit to the RG.

I was convinced he was was a superstar in the making. I guess being a King beats you down.

by 52therim on Dec 28, 2011 6:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Same

What happened there??

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by Milkbomb on Dec 28, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Backup Bigs

I like Chris Johnson but for whatever reason he hasn’t meshed well so far with Kurt Thomas. Both players seem out of sync on the floor together, yet either plays much better when paired with LA.

The Kurt Thomas/Craig Smith combo looked a little better. Will be interesting to keep an eye on how these guys are used in varying lineups going forward.

\\\oo///

by Billy Hoyle on Dec 28, 2011 7:59 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

read somewhere that the "RHINO" is going to be a fan favorite.

he plays to the crowd. I liked his defense. Good seeing both KT and him in there.
KT can hit a jumper which I like and loved that Smith boxes out, sets picks…KT as well.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Give Raymond some love, please.

Letting one broken play represent his entire contribution to the win is just silly, Ben. What is it with you two?

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by VTDuck on Dec 28, 2011 8:04 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

His mistakes are sometimes really JV squad looking.

I think he’ll improve, but we have to accept the fact that he’s giving it everything he has while his talent level is simply not on par with an upper tier PG. Fine by me. I think he’s a winner, although he really does need to finish at the rim more when he takes it to the hole.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Human nature?

If you weren’t sure if you were actually going to play or not you don’t think motivation good slide a bit?? Ever been part of a strike where you weren’t sure when you would go back to work? Would you be keeping track of all your projects?

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Dec 28, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He had some nice drive and dishes

But he also needs to lose the behind the back pass out of the pick and pop. It is too risky for very little gain. He and LA need some time together. By the mid season, they should have some nice connections. He is looking for him but getting the ball to him in places he isn’t looking for it and leaving it low instead of getting it up into his hands. Felton may take a while to get the feel for this team. He is less than three weeks in.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Dec 28, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, a lot of his turnovers were just unfamiliarity with aldridge

give it a few more games and and practices and it should get better

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FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10

by Tofu Anonymous on Dec 28, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

He only has 2 TO's last night too

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Remember that picture of Felton with a cupcake way back when?

I think that cupcake was supposed to be for Ben. Can’t blame him, if someone stole my cupcake I’d be upset too.

by Batumshakalaka on Dec 28, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, Ben.
The Blazers simply neutered a young Sacramento team

How do you get away with that?

Hehe.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 8:08 AM PST reply actions  

Are we sure this was the exact quote by LMA?
Blazers center Marcus Camby joked after the game that he was ready to play again on Wednesday night to complete the back-to-back-to-back. Informed of this, LaMarcus Aldridge deadpanned, “He can play by himself.”

Because it is similar to what I would say in that scenario…but not word for word

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 8:28 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Nate is not holding anyone back

This is done every time: the cries of “Nate needs to play X more!” Bayless, Rudy, Sergio, Outlaw, etc.

Can someone name one player who has been better after leaving Nate’s team? The only answer is possibly Randolph, and Nate played him extensively. They got rid of him to make way for an LMA/Oden frontcourt.

by Blazerverse on Dec 28, 2011 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with you.

I think that his tightly controlled slow paced high efficient offense, mostly dictated by Roy´s presence, hasn´t helped a bit our young players development. If this should have been a priority or not is another question.

by amlmart1 on Dec 28, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Once something is stunted it may never reach it's potential. I can't say if NBA players react this way, but it's possible.

I think that to develop young talent you have to bite the bullet and live with the mistakes, something Nate has been unwilling to do.

That’s a different debate than the Nic debate though. He needs to get Nic on the court at least 30 minutes a game. If Nic can’t produce consistently the team should figure that out before they sign him to an extension, if they can.

by raoulduke on Dec 28, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes to a point
I think that to develop young talent you have to bite the bullet and live with the mistakes, something Nate has been unwilling to do

He did develop young talent….LMA and Roy . Once he had those guys ready, the team was in win now mode. You don’t lose games developing young talent, not when you are in win now mode

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

this

and the shortened season makes each game more important. Also, first few games will be used just to get the regular rotation worked out.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Roy and Aldridge were transcendent talents - and it is easy to find playing time for those types

But a team needs to turn potential into actual to sustain excellence. McMillan’s short leash isn’t a mirage – he thought highly enough of Armon Johnson to support a trade of Bayless, last season. Only, Johnson was given no time whatsoever to work through mistakes.

Instead, an inferior athlete with no upside was given significant minutes with worse results. I’m not saying Armon will be a good NBA point guard – but I am saying that McMillan is very poor at finding out.

Right now, we are seeing a similar pattern with Nolan getting at least a few 1st half minutes, and Elliot getting none. I really don’t care if Nolan is ahead of Elliot, right now. Williams is the superior physical talent and the one that if he grows into his potential, would be the far superior player.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Bottom line is that, right now, Nate's primary job is not to grow talent

It is to win games. If and when the team goes into rebuild mode that will change

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

How about another example?

Cole for the Heat…a rookie was given 4th-quarter minutes against a key rival in a close game…the Heat found out that they had something – and they did it in a context of “win now”

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Cole is a stud

I was really hoping the Kings took him with thier high second round pick, I think he is going to be the steal of the entire draft, not just the second round.

What is a point guard? People have been telling me we need one....

by PaulWestfail on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you looked at the Heat?

They have 3 players …and a bunch a scrubs ….when we get 3 HOFs then we can do the same

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You are moving the target

Now we have to have three HOFers (and in their primes) before we can test a rookie?

Before it was just “win now”….

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

No contradiction

You can play rookies and scrubs with three HOFs and still “win now.” Miami can test these guys because their big 3 overcome many other deficiencies, and also because those same big 3 clog the cap. So they have to test their garbage players and they can afford to do it and win now because they’re so good you could make a sack lunch be the fifth man and they’d find a way to win.

by Blazerverse on Dec 28, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Precisely

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Still a fallacious argument

Primarily because it is an endorsement of mediocrity….

The Blazers have no less need to find out what kind of assets they have than the Miami Heat….

My beef with McMillan is his pattern of riding marginal talent instead of allowing for relatively insignificant failure as a test of potential…..

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

It is only an "endorsement of mediocrity"...

….if the Sergios, Baylesses and Elliot Williams’s of the world are actually better than the players that played ahead of them. Additionally ….Nate played tons of young guys in addition to Roy and Aldridge ….Travis Outlaw, Webster, Jarret Jack ….and Telfair all got PT from Nate. If Nate was such a terrible coach at developing young players …you would think that at least 1 or 2 of these dudes would have broken out somewhere else. Alas none have

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You are confusing my argument - and here is a recent post of mine to clarify
McMillan has a decent enough record developing legit talent

Roy and Aldridge got the time necessary to develop. Arguably, so has Batum. Oden didn’t have any trouble getting time when healthy. Mathews, as a second year player, got plenty of time.

McMillan doesn’t have a good record developing raw prospects, however. If they can’t immediately contribute – they don’t turn into contributors under McMillan’s watch. Granted, these "project" types haven’t exactly torn the league up after being traded/discarded – but McMillan isn’t about turning lead into gold.

This isn’t necessarily a knock on McMillan, really – although I have been frustrated when he gives guys like Patty Mills lots of playing time – while guys like Armon Johnson sit. Johnson, whatever the opinion on his ceiling, could do everything Patty could do and play defense. Even if Patty was slightly better than Johnson initially, Johnson had the physical potential and Patty did not.

Overall, we can point to guys like Webster, McRoberts, Bayless, Cunningham, and Pendergraph and say that McMillan did all right by these guys.

If Elliot Williams is someone that can step in immediately, likewise Nolan Smith, they will get the playing time they need.

In my opinion, last years’ handling of Johnson/Mills is my only real beef – mainly because McMillan favored the lesser talent.

I am very specific in saying that the Blazers need to see what they have in young players – and they need to emphasize potential over insignificant short term contributions….Williams needs minutes a lot more than Smith needs minutes….Johnson needed minutes far more than Mills needed minutes….

My arguments on McMillan’s handling of Fernandez, Johnson and Williams stand on their own merits. I don’t condemn McMillan overall – but he has made some bad choices. Taking that argument to the level of “the Blazers don’t need to be developing young talent” both misunderstands the argument and is bad strategy to boot…

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

How many turnovers did Cole have in that 4th quarter.

Bayless got lots of minutes until other teams started to figure him out. So did Armon

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Turnovers are a definite McMillan bugaboo

Funny thing is, McMillan was a turnover machine in his rookie year, too. The only differences between McMillan and Johnson in their rookie years was that McMillan had a lower usage rate and got four times the minutes he gave Armon…

Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

How deep was Seattle then? I am asking

Nate would of benched Nate if he didn’t get better.

Sorry, I am more in the Jimmy Johnson camp of no turnovers. An example is today’s Dallas team. Loaded with talent, they aren’t disciplined and make costly mistakes. Johnsons cowboys took pride in not turning the ball over.

I still am not seeing anyone do better elsewhere after Nate recognized they weren’t top flight NBA Players. If he was truly holding them back, they would flourish elsewhere.

my Prime Argument is it is up to Nic to be better. Nate gives him Chances. He needs to become the better player. I am a Nic fan. but he reminds me of Aldridge several years ago. LMA got better when he decided to. Nic needs to develop that same attitude. GW developed his own motor as well. That is all that is keeping Nic from the next level.

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Nic is already the 3rd best player on the team

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. The roster is holding Batum back though.

There’s little Nate can do about that, other than dipping into the guard minutes for Nic, which is something I’m sure we’ll see more and more of.

I’d expect a couple dings and days off for Wallace too. Man was not meant to play with the ferocity without the occasional boo boo.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Much was made of a pre-game ice bath that Aldridge took to reinvigorate himself. He said it’s “definitely” not something he’ll try again. “When the game started, I was in quicksand… It made me kind of slow in the first half.” Aldridge finished with 24 points and 8 rebounds on 10-for-15 shooting.

where is and who is taking care of our players??? I know this was something we laugh at, but really, mistakes like this can cause injuries and this training crew doesn’t have the most steller record….good grief.

by MPP24 on Dec 28, 2011 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

and

didn’t the training staff again this year, after assessing oden, say that he was able to “increase his activities”, a day or two before the specialist in denver said he had suffered a setback and may not play at all this year. a lot was happening that week so i’m not sure i followed that correctly, but that’s my understanding that’s how it went down.

by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 28, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

It was the doctors ...not the training staff who increased his activities

additionally ….the specialist in Denver didn’t decrease them as I understand it

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 28, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

i should have said medical staff, which i would include in the batch of people to scrutinize, but i suppose if the specialist didn’t recommend doing anything differently then it’s a moot point this time around.

by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 28, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

that does seem something a trainer should know about.

On the radio, Wheels was explaining that an ice bath may help immediately after a game (reduce lactic acid) – not before one. Don’t know where he got that info, but maybe someone pointed that out a bit too late…. I would figure the ice bath would be at the training facility.

by Berkeley on Dec 28, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If LA had been experiencing inflammation or soreness from being a little out of shape after surgery

and playing 42 minutes the night before, and ice bath might have been something they thought was worth a shot to reduce any existing pain or swelling.

I assume blacknoise would know a little more about this, but it does seem a little strange, though not catastrophic. And it would make some sense if he was feeling sore after the shootaround.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Dec 28, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Would have thought icing your muscles before a game

might lead to tight muscles and potential injury. In any case, I could have predicted the dead legs. Would definitely be interesting to hear what someone knowledgeable has to say about it though.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarliy

I ice to reduce Inflamation. If I stretch and warm up after, it works really well.

LMA’s dead legs may of been there in spite of anything he tried. But since he tried an Ice Bath, it gets the blame.

I am not saying do the ice bath. I am saying ice is not necessarily a bad thing. Get the inflamation down and then make sure you warm back up

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if there's a difference in degree

between icing a knee and being immersed in an ice bath though?

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

An ice bath is either to reduce inflammation, torture enemies, or calm down teenage sexual tension.

That’s it.

Did he get in the hot tub after the ice, though? That would actually get the blood flowing.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Early Game Impressions

1) Felton needs to get in shape (along with most of the others) – his shot is off because he doesn’t have any legs and his late-game decision making is poor because he is trying to do things that only work when you are in top condition.

2) Batum is too good a player to limit his minutes – Nick is a special player that makes things happen, but only if he gets a quality run. You should always put your best players on the floor, so Wallace and Batum need to be out there together.

3) If we lose Camby for any stretch of time we are in serious doo-doo. Chris Johnson is too weak to play big minutes, Thomas too old, and Smith too short. In small stretches they all have their moments, but BB gods please keep MC healthy!

by ralphzillo on Dec 28, 2011 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

Camby is very effective out there.

That is for sure.
How about LMA at the 5 when Camby is out? Maybe put KT in at the 4 or Rhino…
Nic at the 3 and 2…
Anyway, I am hoping the guy who is now an asst. coach..Name? will help out Nate.
Bickerstaff and Osiepka certainly won’t come up with anything Nate can’t.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Buck Williams?

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Dec 28, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Buck Williams.

C’MON, SON! Can’t forget him.

RIP CITY - We're back!

by CyclonicWinds on Dec 28, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Natsthecat was actually referring to Larry Greer

Buck, along with Caleb Kanales and Dan Dickau, is more of a development coach, whereas Bickerstaff, Ociepka, and Greer are more the x’s and o’s types.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

its amazing stuff at his age

What is a point guard? People have been telling me we need one....

by PaulWestfail on Dec 28, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

ugh

Nate:

Gerald was playing well.

SO FREAKING WHAT?!

doesn’t mean nic and gerald can’t play alongside each other. 7 years, and nate still beating the horse on the whole first unit-second unit garbage. you play your best players for the longest times. that’s all that matters.

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Dec 28, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

I thought that was the correct answer

he could have said that Nic has not been shooting well or was not aggressive on the glass. But the truth was Gerald was playing, maybe the only Blazer playing well. He staggered the minutes of the first and second units, unlike the Philly game. He pulled LMA earlier than Gerald, probably because LMA was gassed. It worked out well.

scrappy

by Honka Playboy on Dec 28, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts on playing well

Crash and Camby are two players playing at their better levels right now. Camby has only so much upside from where he is playing now.

Everyone else can definetly play better. Rust, conditioning, ect… Play a factor in where everyone else is… Maybe Matthews is as well. He hustles well and his shooting is on and off throughout the season. So base where he is on other factors

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Dec 28, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Nico still avg 25 mpg in 2 games despite some rough play

I have little doubt that if Nic earns the minutes he will get them.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Nicolas Batum cannot play the 2 for extended minutes.

Don’t care what happened for short minutes against a crappy Kings backcourt in the second half, because Batum at the 2 isn’t a viable option.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 28, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

how is it any less viable than Matthews?

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 28, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

If Mathews is viable at the 2 - then Batum is viable at the 2

Batum is more than viable at the 2…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke played great, he really is an NBA PG.....

I was really proud of how Tyreke came out and silenced his nay sayers last night, hes really looking like an all star PG comming into his 3rd year as a starter in this league..

What is a point guard? People have been telling me we need one....

by PaulWestfail on Dec 28, 2011 12:06 PM PST reply actions  

Uh oh.

The parody boo bird is out.

It’s true though. Sac doesn’t have a real point guard. We’ve rehashed this topic over and over on BEdge though…

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 28, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Long arms!

Watching that closing defensive group of Crawford, Batum, Wallace, LMA, & Camby, I was struck with how many long arms were deployed. The Kings looked like they were caught up in a thicket of long arms & fingers. Every shot or pass was getting deflected.

It reminded me of the Celtics way back in the day—when they had Robert Parish, Kevin McHale, Cedrick Maxwell, etc. That kind of length is an offensive player’s nightmare, especially when your specialty is scoring in the paint.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Dec 28, 2011 12:58 PM PST reply actions  

Go Go Gadget Arms!

That lineup may not be our one closing the most games, but it may be our secret weapon.

by Batumshakalaka on Dec 28, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace and Batum

are clearly two of the better conditioned players right now. The combination of the two of them and their styles of play is a lot of fun to watch. I wouldn’t be shy about going with that combination to help spark the pace. The key to it seems to be Wallace having the ability to push the ball up the court without needing to find one of the guards.

by Puddyknife on Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

13 active players?

Did anyone else notice that the Blazers played 13 players last night? I knew that the new Collective Bargaining Agreement allowed for 15-man rosters, but I thought you still had to limit the active list to 12 every night?

by Arvydas Sambowie on Dec 28, 2011 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

Too many conclusions here after just 2 games (and both home games).

There’s too many new players on this team and most of them are out of shape. Wait another week and then we will find out what Nate thinks the rotation should be. Then the complaints will have more validity.

That said, I’m sure even Nate knows that Batum needs more minutes (assuming he doesn’t just stand and watch as he did in the first half last night). But the trick is finding the right rotation to get him those minutes. Wait a week to see what Nate comes up with.

I also have a feeling that Nate may have another new player to integrate in another week or so, but that’s still iffy.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 28, 2011 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Nate? Who yanked him after 9 minutes and screamed at him on the way to the bench.

A rerun of several games last year.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 28, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It's his personality, but it's taking too long to overcome. Jermaine O'Neal

is the perfect example. When he started with the Blazers he had a similar lack of confidence and aggressiveness on the court. He would look over at the coach for approval/validation after virtually every play he was involved in on the court. It was almost comical, but sort of sad. He finally grew out of it. I don’t Batum has the same lack of confidence, so I would think it would be easier for him to turn up the aggressiveness.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 28, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

"I don’t Batum has the same lack of confidence, so I would think it would be easier for him to turn up the aggressiveness."

Actually, I think that the opposite would be true. Jermaine O’Neal may’ve lacked confidence, but not assertiveness. Once O’Neal’s confidence was boosted, his natural assertiveness — which was dormant, but not nonexistent — kicked into high gear. With Batum, there’s no assertiveness to tap into whatsoever. Even if Batum is traded elsewhere, his passive, listless personality will leave with him.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I wasn't JO's psychologist so I don't know if his assertiveness was

dormant or not. :) I just know he lacked confidence (that was obvious) and he played timidly. It’s probably futile for me to try to guess what is going on inside Nic’s head. But I just wished he would take a cue from Wallace and find some aggressiveness.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm kind of in the same spot

I almost wish someone would hypnotize him or something. The potential is there but it’s like he needs rabies or something to really get it in gear. I wish he would get some real swagger.

by poorwebguy on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Nate is still trying to figure out what he has as far as decent line-ups. Another week or two should see things smooth out a little and we should have a better idea of what the team is against better competition.

by poorwebguy on Dec 28, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

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