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2011-12 Season Preview: The Centers

We round out our pre-season look at the Portland Trail Blazers roster with a rundown of the center position. In actuality the title of this post is a misnomer. The "s" at the end doesn't belong. The Blazers have exactly one proven center in the rotation: Marcus Camby. If you're talking non-franchise-type centers, though, there's plenty to recommend Camby. He's a very good all-around defender, a fantastic rebounder, a smart veteran, and his foul-line face-up shot usually keeps defenses from taking him for granted...or at least completely for granted as they used to Joel Przybilla. Camby is among the best utility centers in the league.

That said, the dream when he was acquired was to sandwich him between Przybilla and Greg Oden to form an unstoppable wall of center-based doom. With Camby the only one of that trio taking the field his weaknesses get exposed and may cost the Blazers. The two biggest: he's not a low post threat and he's not known for his health. The team is overflowing with mid-range-dependent offensive players. Camby ranks about 9th on that list. There's little reason for him to take any shot. Someone else could always hit it better. Another monotone offensive repertoire adds little to a team desperately in need of variety...or at least muscle. The health thing is downright scary. The Blazers can probably survive without big moments from Camby but they absolutely require big minutes. Dude is 37 years old coming off of a 59-game season in which he played the fewest minutes he's registered since his last huge injury. That's not a promising recommendation. And if he goes down...jeepers. Who do the Blazers stick in there?

One option, already a fan favorite, is young Chris Johnson. C-Mobile has springs, a nose for shot-blocking, and (as I'm obviously suggesting) he gets around the court with alacrity. He's exciting. He's also played a grand total of 138 minutes in his career. If you patched together a video compilation of Camby doing nothing taking off his warmups to take the court you'd end up with at least six times as much material. You'd love Johnson as your third center to trot out during blowouts, giving him a chance to show if he's a diamond in the rough. Having him as the second-stringer makes you a little itchy, but there's hope. Maybe he'll shine dazzlingly. Contemplating relying on him for big minutes and/or starting in Camby's absence is cold-sweat time no matter how promising he's looked in limited action. You need to hope for the oft-mentioned (in the last couple of weeks anyway) "lightning in a bottle experience". All the true believers out there will yell at me if I don't say, "Yes, it's possible." But you have to understand that you can't approach an NBA season like it's the lottery and you're taking a chance...not if you want to succeed more than one time in a hundred. It's more like asking the girl of your dreams to marry you. You want a definite "YES!!!" ringing through the air. "It's possible" means something quite different...usually not good.

If you don't go with Johnson you're probably looking at Kurt Thomas. I love the guy and he's going to be a solid vet and a real help to this team. But hanging the center position on him is less plausible than hanging it on Johnson. At least CJ is young and can play big minutes if he stays out of foul trouble. Thomas isn't going to look good if you try to run him much more than 20 minutes per night.

LaMarcus Aldridge could always switch over to center for a while, likely with Gerald Wallace and Nicolas Batum at forward creating a fast, high-scoring-potential lineup. But Aldridge will suffer playing the 5 for long stretches and the Blazers would be well-served by keeping his stints there situational.

If you think we're going to mention the Other Guy, like we were Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin, not at this point. It goes without saying that the difference would be measurable. But we'll believe it when we see it.

That takes us back to heavy doses of Camby, praying for his health, and trying to rig an offense that's largely low-post free outside of Aldridge's occasional forays. If there's a weak spot in Portland's rotation, this is it. I suppose "thin" is the better word, but a grueling season and smart opponents have a way of turning thin into weak. Portland's ability to adjust, pulling a little three-card-monty with the position if necessary, will be a key to their success this season.

Discuss the Blazer big men below. What do you see as the keys to victory with regards to the center position?

--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)

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the key to victory as dave says will be the effectiveness of CJ. if he can provide solid minutes we can survive at the center position. we wont have any points from the C but CJ fits well with the running offense that nates pushing.

by blazers12 on Dec 23, 2011 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone just see on the news where Aldridge said the team chemistry is the best it has been in years?

That has been my main concern. I feel like it is going to take a while before the chemistry is there.

by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 23, 2011 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

I know people took it that way, but I didn't.

I thought he was talking about Rudy in particular.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Dec 24, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, and Dre/Blake wasn't that long ago

As well as Martell/Nic. A lot of unrest about minutes.

by superfly05 on Dec 24, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Who needs talent?

We could always sign Patty back in March and pick Dante back up.

by poorwebguy on Dec 23, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

it's a work in progress

Rome wasn’t built in a day.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Dec 23, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Apropos of being "built in a day," it'd be nuts if the 2011-2012 Clippers = the 1970-1971 Bucks.

Each team had a second-year frontcourt stud who was a #1 pick, each team had a newly acquired all-time great point guard who left a losing situation, each team had an unheralded head coach, et cetera.

Only throwing it out there, y’know. I don’t necessarily believe this myself, but It’s just food for thought.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 3:00 AM PST up reply actions  

What?!? You're comparing Blake Griffin to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?

Chris Paul to Oscar Robertson? I don’t think either player comparison even begins to work.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 24, 2011 5:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Health permitting, a prime Chris Paul, 26, will be far more productive than a 32-year-old ...

Oscar Robertson. That’s neither here nor there, though, because this was never meant to be a statistical comparison.

Statistical? Nope, no way. Stylistic? Not at all. Situational? Ah, now there we go.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

SO,

you’re saying there’s a chance? like a million to one chance? LOL. that’s some funny stuff. Highly entertaining and overly imaginative. Thanks for the laughs.

First off, you start with a health permitting “prime” CP3? And then compare Griffin to KAJ? WOW! I don’t even know where to start. Maybe you meant situational comedy, now that I can believe.

Whatever you need to do to massage those numbers to make it work. Can’t say I agree, in fact, I’d say you’re way off the mark, but who knows, you could be right although I’d bet the moon you’re not.

Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.

by pdxborn on Dec 24, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

"And then compare Griffin to KAJ? "

Cripes! Is reading comprehension lacking here?

How’ve I not explained myself clearly enough for some of y’all?!?

I’m about ready to pop my top, but dang it if a cooler head doesn’t prevail for once with me.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 25, 2011 3:30 AM PST up reply actions  

That is a bit of a stretch

Had he not used the word “apropos” I’d think someone hacked his account.

by Nucclear on Dec 24, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

As a situational comparison, I'm not sure if it's that much of a stretch.

As a statistical or stylistic comparison, yeah. There, it’d definitely be a canyon-sized stretch. I, however, obviously wasn’t comparing Blake Griffin to KAJ in either a statistical and/or stylistic fashion.

Just like I wasn’t directly comparing Chris Paul and Vinny Del Negro to Oscar Robertson and Larry Costello, respectively. Yet, nobody latched onto those parts of it.

Nope, no one went that route.

Rather than you guys digest the meat of my comment — which was a situational comparison between two teams (i.e., the 1970-1971 Bucks & 2011-2012 Clippers) with some similarities — y’all instead veered far off the proverbial road by grabbing ahold of the Griffin/Jabbar angle.

This isn’t about Griffin and Jabbar; on the contrary, it’s about the ‘11-’12 Clips and the ‘70-’71 Bucks. That’s it!

All right, so that’s that.

Y’know, if I was to compare Griffin to anyone stylistically, it’d be Karl Malone. Griffin feels kind of like a young Mailman. Statistically, I’m not too sure to whom I’d compare Griffin. I’d have to look over some numbers and stuff.

Now, if y’all think that my STYLISTIC comparison of Griffin to Malone is off base, then fine. Go after me all you want for that, okay. It’s fair game. Y’all may also take me to task me for widely underestimating Griffin out of Oklahoma, because I thought he’d bust. Seriously, I was wrong — dead wrong — about the kid, as I projected him closer to Marcus Fizer than Karl Malone.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

More like a young Shawn Kemp ...

Great leaper and finisher, slasher, awesome open court athlete, but not yet a solid face up / shot creator from more than say 10 ft. Kemp was great when young and paired with GP, until he got fat … while Malone had a good which became great turnaround 12 footer as he aged wisely.

by aces_dad on Dec 25, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Already, Blake Griffin is a more deft passer and less mistake prone than Shawn ...

Kemp. Griffin’s an all-around more heady player, too. I liked Kemp, but he was kind of a lunkhead. Unlike Kemp, Griffin creates nice opportunities for himself with the ball in his hands and, moreover, can occasionally facilitate for fellow teammates. Kemp had to usually have another player — most often Gary Payton — set him up for easy looks.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 25, 2011 3:46 AM PST up reply actions  

If the Clips win it all, you'll look like a genius.

To honor this legendary prophecy, I would create four additional accounts, each with sigs of atonement and come back to this thread and green your comment myself.

Seriously though, I do see the comparison, but the implications cause me to call it a stretch. Personally, I enjoy entertaining these types of theories and observations so don’t hold back. Some will call you crazy, but who cares you’re among friends.

On a side note, I love the uptick in y’alls toward the end of your comment. Reminded me of one of my good friend’s southern accent that only comes out when he’s riled up. Or when he’s drinking. Being the holidays both are on the table.

by Nucclear on Dec 25, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Even I'm not ballsy enough to predict the Clips will win it all, but that'd be insane ...

if it happened. For the Clippers, it doesn’t have enough frontcourt depth — especially behind DeAndre Jordan — or defensive chops to get past the Western Conference.

Besides, even if it got to the NBA Finals, it looks like no team will stop the steamroller that is the Miami Heat. If not the Heat, then the Bulls would still be a rugged matchup.

Still, I look for the Clippers to potentially win the Pacific Division and be the #3 seed or so. With Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, and Chauncey Billups at its core, this franchise isn’t to be scoffed at anymore. A rags to riches story, indeed.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 26, 2011 2:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh, people continue to disrespect Lew Alcindor.

It’s sad, really. While I’m no longer surprised, it still disappoints me.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Dec 24, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, they disrespect him by continuing to call him Lew Alcindor.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Dec 24, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Great point

Ask Patterson what happens when you refuse to call Casius Clay, Mohammad Ali.

hg

by BBK on Dec 24, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He was named Lew Alcindor at that point in his career.

I’d say it’s fair enough. Especially if, as I suspect, mittsabishy is using his birth name to draw a contrast between KAJ’s historically underrated tenure with the Bucks, as opposed to his much heralded time with the L*kers.

And I do realize that he changed his name to Abdul-Jabar while he was with the bucks, but my point still stands.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Dec 24, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

he supposedly changed it the day after they won.

I also posted that to poke fun at AK for comparing Griffin to one of the best offensive players to ever put on shorts.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Dec 24, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't a direct comparison.

It was a situational comparison.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Me calling Metta World Peace -- which is goofy to me -- T.A.F.K.A. Ron Artest ...

is more disrespectful than mittsabishy calling Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s by his birth name of Lew Alcindor.

So yeah, HailOden!, I agree with you here.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember, I don't necessarily believe it.

Besides, if we’re going to play that game, a 26-year-old Chris Paul in his prime is superior to a 32-year-old Oscar Robertson, who was on the decline.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Kareem had a post game.

Griffin is overpowering, but he’s still learning the game.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 24, 2011 9:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

22.5 PER vs. 21.9 PER isn’t exactly a slam dunk argument here.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Dec 24, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Even so, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar made a heck of a leap from his rookie year to his ...

sophomore season. Of course, I doubt that Blake Griffin will suddenly go from All-Star to transcendent performer over one off-season like Jabbar.

Together, though, the up-and-coming Griffin and prime Chris Paul could mirror that of the elite Jabbar and the then aging, yet still immensely productive Oscar Robertson. If looked at as a situational comparison, it’s an intriguing one.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't comparing them statistically or stylistically, but rather situationally.

It seems I should’ve made myself more clear here, since it went over a lot of people’s heads.

Hell, if I was doing a statistical or stylistic comparison, I wouldn’t’ve compared a prime Chris Paul to an aging Oscar Robertson. Again, it’s a situational comparison — with an emphasis on situational — between two teams from different eras with uniquely similar circumstances.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotcha.

Admittedly, I’m a Griffin hater. He bugs the crap out of me and it pains me to think of him winning anything this season.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 24, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you, the voice of reason.

I was starting to think the whole world had gone mad.

Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.

by pdxborn on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Terrible comparison-

Just because they’re tall and play basketball… I mean they don’t even look alike… and besides, Kareem wore those trademark goggles so that players wouldn’t confuse him with Bill Walton. I mean if you were talking about acting I could see the similarities, especially some of the comedic roles played by both characters, however, I have yet to see Blake Griffin take on Bruce Lee- I think if Blake is really serious about following his hero in Kareem, that he should at least try to fight Chuck Norris or something, but then (insert Chuck Norris joke here… and by the way Merry Christmas all)

by simoninaustralia on Dec 25, 2011 2:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, well played.

Made me chuckle, too.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 25, 2011 3:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Put cj next to a post player

Say Zach Randolph, and he’ll get destroyed. No way his thin frame can keep up with stronger post players.

by JMLakaShotCaller on Dec 23, 2011 11:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, CJ is purely a helper, which means someone else is going to have to defend the actual offensive threat on the opposing frontline.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Dec 23, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

that would not be pretty to watch at all. Line-ups like Gasol/Bynum and Gasol/Randolph. Denver…even the Jazz would probably make us pay dearly for that.

by poorwebguy on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Randolph would score his points like he does against many defenders, but he’d also send a few of those shots into the 4th row. CJ isn’t a complete player, but he does possess a skill that is very valuable. Protecting the rim.

by 52therim on Dec 24, 2011 6:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Zach Randolph at Serge Ibaka alive in the playoffs, and even Ibaka is a much more complete man defender than Johnson.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Dec 24, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

No doubt Randolph scores, likely big.

To be successful you can do everything well, or a limited number of things exceptionally. CJ is very good off-ball defender and protects the rim. He runs the floor and rebounds a little. Randolph is the better scorer. He’s going to play his game. Doesn’t mean CJ rides the pine when we play Memphis. Lots of ways to switch up the defense to try and control Zach.

by 52therim on Dec 24, 2011 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

"you can't approach an NBA season like it's the lottery and you're taking a chance"

Sometimes we have no choice unfortunately. Unless someone here has a direct line to the FO and can affect massive decisions anyways.

You build when you can and roll the dice on a decent situation when you have the chance.

by poorwebguy on Dec 23, 2011 11:45 PM PST reply actions  

I believe that we should approach the NBA season like it's a novel

and not decide beforehand if you’re going to “like” it, or not

(you can lay it aside anytime, if you don’t)

I think there will be some interesting plot twists along the way, and some characters will enter and leave the drama as the story goes along, for one reason or another

(at least Dave mentioned Joel, in passing)

BTW, since when is seeing believing, for a man of the cloth? (I guess blogging about basketball is a more “down to earth” endeavor)

When reached 40+ years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 23, 2011 11:55 PM PST reply actions  

Too bad it's a John Updike novel

instead of Cormack McCarthy. We’ve got the maudlin instead of the breath taking.

by oregonslee on Dec 24, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

we already had to read the bernard malamud version of the natural.

would have preferred the movie version for once.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Dec 24, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

On the marriage proposal analogy

Sometimes you just got to ask and be willing to deal with the result. If you don’t at least ask you’ll probably never have to worry about her saying yes.

Just wanted to add that I always value your opinion, perspective and analogies even if I don’t always agree totally. We’re lucky to have you here Dave.

by poorwebguy on Dec 23, 2011 11:57 PM PST reply actions  

Another marriage analogy might be

An arranged marriage . . . you hope it works out, but you’re in trouble if it doesn’t. Any team forced to give major minutes to unproven players is in this position. As are all fans, all the time!

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Dec 24, 2011 6:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you look at CJ as the girl you want to marry.

More like somebody you can have a good time with, and maybe it will lead to something.

And yes, that felt weird.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Dec 24, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Talented Big Men....

….are hard to come by…and so yes, to an extent the Blazers have taken a gamble. Our big men in Camby and Thomas are talented but old in N.B.A. terms. My best belief is if you take our bigs as a whole, that is Camby, Thomas, Chris Johnson, and Craig Smith and add Aldridge, that if we play PF and Center by comittee we can minimize the playing time and risk. Add to it that we have additional line-up versatility in the form of SF in Gerald Wallace that can at times play PF and Batum who’s length allows him a degree of versatility and hopefully if we just keep everything and everyone in motion? No one person will be burdened beyond the durability of their years. It’s a bit disheartening that we couldn’t make it through 2 pre-season games without Camby tweaking his knee’s…and I’m aware of Cambys injury history and age. But I still think you plan and hope for at least a decent amount of durability from Camby and Thomas.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 24, 2011 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

Young talented big men...

Are even harder to come by. To find CJ, limited as he may be, off the scrap heap is a pretty good find. It’s always going to be hard to convince teams to trade young talented bigs. As long as Oden is on the roster, even if he never plays, we won’t find a young talented big guy willing to sign a FA deal here. Why would they do that when a player getting healthy would mean a major reduction in your minutes. That we’ve been able to get 4 guys (without Oden) on our roster who can play dependable minutes at C is a luxury most teams don’t have. To be able to do it with Oden looming on the roster makes it even more impressive. As long as Camby stays healthy or Oden can get on the floor, we should be in great shape.

by 52therim on Dec 24, 2011 6:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Linus and the great pumpkin

I have to admit at first I didn’t realize who Dave was talking about. Has it been so long since we last saw him play that I didn’t even think about Oden when I read this post?

by epidemic on Dec 24, 2011 12:22 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Isn't it sad???

While reading Dave’s piece the first great pumpkin that popped into my mind was Joel P.

Don’t get me wrong, I still – right or wrong – hold out (probably too much) hope that Greg will get back in the lineup this year and contribute significantly long-term to the Blazers. I can’t even describe how much I would enjoy seeing him playing again. I miss him way more than the B Roy issue even though I know how many big plays Brandon made. Call me Crazy . . . .

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 24, 2011 2:43 AM PST up reply actions  

the first great pumpkin that popped into my mind was Joel P.

Not me

It’s bad kharma to mention “the potential dominant center who shall not be named”

Przy has been written-off by many Blazer fans. They must have long-term memory loss

I’m not counting on contributions from #10 and/or #52. But if either man returns and remains healthy then Portland’s center position goes from ? to a !

SHHH!!! Don’t jinx it

When reached 40+ years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 24, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

However, that can be because lots of missed shots leads to lots of defensive rebounds, which the opponents are far more likely to obtain.

Determining the cause is tricky – rebound disparity may just be a symptom.

"Say his NAME, Portland. Gerald Wallace is...awesome." -Dave, 4/9/11

by austinpwnz on Dec 24, 2011 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Trade

See if NO would be willing to part with Okafor or Kaman for a reasonable price…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 24, 2011 1:31 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Okafor would a very serviceable big man for us to try and get...

I’m not big on Kaman but at least he provides an offensive threat next to LMA…

#7

by clinchmobb on Dec 26, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, we're not alone at least

I feel like you can count non-ancient, quality 5s in the league on one hand right now. Howard, Bynum, Noah, Bogut, Lopez, ?.

by BaylessFace on Dec 24, 2011 1:31 AM PST reply actions  

Oops, M. Gasol

I’m always forgetting him. And, I suppose Chandler could be included even though he doesn’t bring much on offense.

by BaylessFace on Dec 24, 2011 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

so.......to summarize

our forwards are outstanding. our shooting guards are good. our point guards are mediocre. And our center(s) are below average.

by notoriousj on Dec 24, 2011 1:35 AM PST reply actions  

and our coach is steady,

his assistant, Buck Williams is the coolest dude ever, Blaze is the most righteous trail cat in the universe, the beer at the RG is blessed by a Sabas bobblehead, and the stunt team’s T-Shirt cannons are powerful enough this year to knock the blimp into the second level like a meteorite shriveling from the sky.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 24, 2011 1:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Blaze is totally lame

Sorry. Gotta say it. Him and that cheeseball PA announcer at the RG.

They both gotta go. Obnoxious little freaks.

This is my signature. Do you like it?

by scaredcow on Dec 25, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the pgs are better than mediocre.

It takes time, and we have new ones again.

Maybe next year Linus. Somehow the Reno boys have to be unloaded , throw in some $ for a big man for once and there will be bigs in the draft available if the Blazers need to move up.

I’ve tried to be good most of the year :), so Santa should bring Camby a healthy season when it matters. We can beat bad teams without him. But he will be the key in the playoffs. LA needs help, <3 KT, but he is the back up. CJ keep eating a lot.

Merry Christmas ! Go Blazers !!

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Dec 24, 2011 6:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I was impressed by what Camby said about AJ

the Oregonian did a string a videos where they asked the players several questions about their teammates. If you haven’t seen the videos you should check ’em out

Marcus spoke about Armon’s character and called him the best person he had met in 16 years in the NBA

serious

So, If Johnson isn’t waived (like many of us have suggested should happen) remember these years and consider the source

When reached 40+ years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 24, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Just checked out those vids...

Good stuff.

Armon’s character has been an interesting thing to see develop. When he went to the DL, he seemed to come down to earth a bit. It was good to hear Camby recognize that, but character doesn’t earn minutes in the NBA so it was also good to hear that he’s one of the more hard-working Blazers. I still haven’t given up on him as an NBA caliber point guard, and I do think we’ll see more of him than expected this season.

As high as everybody is on Williams and Smith, they’re still rookies, they both suffered TO problems in college, and neither is a natural PG which is the only position with minutes for a rookie on this team. All this may add up to Nate going with a known quantity in Armon, especially if he keeps up his hard work.

Folks say he’s a crappy shooter, but there’s no NBA evidence to prove that. Folks say he can’t go right, but how many NBA players are legit threats from either hand?

The single non-debatable weakness in his game is his passing ability around the perimeter and in transition. He telegraphed his passes out there and crafty players picked them off easily. It was lazy, uninspired, passing that got him benched. I’m hoping he can put some mustard on those passes and get more creative out top. He likes to set up the offense at the elbow, but he needs to be able to operate at the perimeter too.

All that said, none of these young guards are going to sniff the court in the Playoffs, but it’s fun to speculate.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Dec 24, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont read anything Oregonian.

Blazersedge is the only one that doesnt make me vomit year 5.
I’m not questioning AJ’s character. Someone has to go. Did Camby say AJ had learned to pass to the right side of paint ? Or that he outplayed EW for rotation minutes ?
I trust Nates call on what guards play. Nolan is still my bet of the youngsters.
Whatever combination it takes of nonplaying younsters to get us a young center that plays. That’s what I’m talking about !

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Dec 24, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

More or less.

I would say we are mediocre but deep at C and talented but thin at PG..

Mediocre but deep at C is better than many NBA teams. There just aren’t that many great Centers out there. Our worry is that it is fragile depth. An injury that takes Camby out makes us mediocre and thin. That is a liability.
PG is in the eye of the beholder. I think Felton will be a noticeably better fit than Miller, but that is speculation. If he gets hurt, this roster looks lottery-bound. What do you think? Would we be hurt more as a team by a serious injury to LMA or Felton? I guess either would be a killer.

by 52therim on Dec 24, 2011 6:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Teams in the West that have more strength/depth at center are the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Jazz, Nuggets, Grizzlies, Thunderers, Hornets

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Dec 24, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

The number of teams you listed whose center might carry their team to victory – 2. Lakers and Memphis. Nene and Tim Duncan are no more Centers than LMA and I’d take LMA over those guys at this stage of their careers. Forgive me if I don’t give Al Jefferson enough credit as defense still matters. I said we went 4 deep with serviceable Centers and most teams don’t have that. I didn’t say anything about C being a position of strength, but I really doubt that, if our bigs stay healthy, we will end up feeling like we are losing games because we are being dominated at Center by the Hornets.

by 52therim on Dec 24, 2011 12:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

that's an excellent point

Thin at center, but who really has a dominate center in the west? Bynam will miss part of the season and Marc Gasol, while good, isn’t exactly dominate.

by jamon51 on Dec 24, 2011 1:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I’m not really sure it’s about “dominating” so much as “not getting obliterated on the inside.” The Blazers were the second worst defensive rebounding team in the playoffs last year, and once there, they got pounded by a fairly finesse oriented Mavs team (Mavs were tough but not great on the o-glass). And that was with Camby playing quite a bit. I fully expect teams like OKC, Denver, SA and LAL to be able to just use missed shots as entry passes on some occasions.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Dec 24, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

We weren't the greatest shooting team last year either

Making us decent in offensive rebounding but also boosting other teams’ defensive rebounding against us. Fixing our cruddy shooting might just take care of part of our rebounding problem.

by poorwebguy on Dec 24, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I’m using d-rebound percentage, so being poor at shooting shouldn’t matter.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Dec 24, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Our core of centers is temporary

We haven’t given up hope on Greg, we have hopes of bringing Joel Freeland over next year. With the lack of money, lack of talent out there for our money, I think we did OK for temporary services.
I also think we will do OK in the center position except for rebounding.

hg

by BBK on Dec 24, 2011 3:36 AM PST reply actions  

That is true, that is why I am worred about our center core for this year.

Nevertheless, I feel we did about as well as we could in short notice without much money, and I believe we will be OK, but questionable for championship unless CJ comes through and put weights in his under garments.

hg

by BBK on Dec 24, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Next spring and summer will be the time to deal with center.

And we all know it. We need an everyday player to team with Aldridge, whether it’s a PF or a pivot. For now, it is what it is. And, we’ll have one more tough call to make. If Oden would sign for an amount relevant to a second team player, and then work his way into the lineup assuming he could stay healthy, we might have the room to get that player. If he tries for $8 million or more, and someone chooses to gamble on him, then we’ll have to look at the reality that with the new CBA, he could hamstring the Blazers for years if he doesn’t get on the floor and play realistic minutes. He’s been paid for not playing for what will amount to 4 of his first 5 years. Further, he is very unpolished. When Walton came to the Blazers, he had 3 championship rings. Oden, with one year of college and one playing basically a season of 20-30 mpg games, is still several years behind where Walton was. Oden, cannot have improved over the last several years sitting on the bench. He can only have regressed. So, it will be a tough call.

by ebenc on Dec 24, 2011 5:43 AM PST reply actions  

there aren't many great centers in the league

most nights playing power forward up front is good enough, so i think it makes sense to look at the 4/5 bigs as a unit:

aldridge / camby / thomas / smith / johnson and sometimes wallace

without major injuries it should be plenty, and with injuries it’ll be touch and go – but that’s okay, at least we have guys like thomas and smith who could fill in reliably without forcing aldridge and wallace to play 40 minutes at center like last season.

by SaveOden on Dec 24, 2011 6:32 AM PST reply actions  

This is what scares me

He’s had a 7-8 man rotation this preseason. Only two games, sure, but that’s not the time to play them.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Dec 24, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

He knew Aldridge was wearing down, but played him anyhow.

Same with Roy, in ’09-10

the “need to win now” does that to coaches, not just in the NBA

When reached 40+ years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 24, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

That's true...

I think The Blazers benefit from the fact that the N.B.A. is in a cycle where great centers are rare and minimized. You basically have Dwight Howard, and “Everyone Else” at various rungs below.There will be a few nights and a few teams, where we are going to hope Camby is up to the job, but I think against a lot of teams and on a lot of nights, The Bigs Committee can probably handle the job.

The potential problem is The Blazers have gambled. Gambled out of necessity. And perhaps gambled wisely. But we went the easier route. Camby and Thomas were obtainable talented big men because of their age. The Blazers are rolling the dice that there’s enough durabilty and talent left in them to get us through a season. We will just have to see.

I just can’t be as hopeful or excited about Chris Johnson as many fans seem to be. Not that I don’t like him, and not that I don’t think he has shown suprising skill. As Dave points out, he’s only played 138 minutes in his career, and that demands of me a tempering of expectations.

In Camby, Thomas and Chris Johnson, we have two old Roosters and a Chick with egg shell still stuck to it’s feathers.

I think there is reason to be hopeful about our center and “Bigs Committee” but also I think we should admit that it is our position of greatest potential problem and risk.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

until I hear that Joel is retiring, or going to sign with the Bucks

I’ll reserve judment on Portland’s roster depth and decision-making

the front court depth re: this year’s squad is solid, esp in the bulk/toughness areas

When reached 40+ years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 24, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate to say it....

….because I really liked Joel, and his career as a Blazer. But I almost feel like he should retire, almost for the same reasons Brandon Roy is retiring. If he’s waited this long to give any team an answer? It kinda tells me he’s not 100% Gung Ho about returning to the N.B.A.. Couple this with the frequency and severity of his last knee injuries and I think playing puts him at risk of doing serious long term damage, or being involved in another injury that would hinder his physical future. The only reasons I would continue to play? Would be if I really, really needed the money, and/or was 100% motivated and convinced I had more to give or wanted to give. If money wasn’t an issue, and I was anything less than 100% commited to return? (Which I think you must assume is the case with Przybilla) then I think I’d enjoy maintaining my health, for myself personally and for my family.

I think if you are 100% commited to returning to the N.B.A.? Then you don’t say to teams that are interested in your services…Let me get back to you after the holidays.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 24, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

If Joel has any gas left in the tank, he's better than any other center this team could afford.

More depth at the center position is never a bad thing with this team.

I know folks are loving on CJ right now, but I’d take Joel over him in a heartbeat. Nobody has set a decent pick in Portland since him and Dante left, and that’s not something we can expect out of a beanpole like Johnson. What Johnson offers, Camby already delivers. The only reason to keep him around is as an insurance policy, which is arguably a great reason to keep him around.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Dec 24, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Their bigs and shooting are the two biggest concerns.

And really, those are two things you got to have if you want to advance in the playoffs.

by Dustructo on Dec 24, 2011 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

Without shooters to stretch the defense we’re going to see yet another season of opponents packing the paint, and an anemic center rotation that can’t fight through the crowd to get rebounds. Camby’s clever enough to get the long bounces, but anything close to the hoop is gone.

There’s always the chance that the shooting will stick together. This is the element that is like the lottery. We know there are great shooters on this team. Batum, Matthews, Felton, Wallace and Crawford can all nail the 3pter. The knock on all of them has been consistency. What if this is the season they pull it together?

If our guards and small forwards can hit their open shots this season, I don’t know what they’re capable of.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Dec 24, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem isn't Aldridge at the five...

It’s how undersized we are at the four if we go that route. I actually think Aldridge does well at the five. A strong short quick guy like Cory Maggette can give him fits on both ends, but when he’s up against a seven footer like Duncan he’s usually got the edge in the quickness department and generally does well. What the Blazers desperately need imo is another strong four. Batum, Wallace, Rhino and Johnson are all good players, but we really need an athletic 6’10" guy who can body up and rebound – somebody with Lamar Odom’s body type. The Blazers as currently constituted are too small for a post-season matchup with a team like the Lakers…

by DDG1977 on Dec 24, 2011 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

Dante fits the bill...

…but signing Smith pretty much rules out another player at this position coming aboard. Besides, I think Smith is going to surprise some folks this season.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Dec 24, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Even Dante's only 6'7"

What people seem to miss about the Lakers is how big they are. Bynum is 7’2". Gasol is a 7 foot power forward. When they had Lamar he was a 6’10" small forward. You can’t teach height…

by DDG1977 on Dec 24, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Chris Johnson

I think players play the way they have played in the past. I have seen Chris play. There is no doubt he can play with the big boys. I don’t think I would worry much about Zach or about how thin Chris is. He is strong and a rough, tough guy. He will always play that way. It was Chris that smacked Dirk in the head last year when Dirk was trying to push him around. He is not going to be star struck. He is not going to back down. I see on his face as he plays that he brings the joy of life to playing basket ball. He will mostly stay as he was last year. He will be a little stronger. He will be a little more polished. But if he is just as he was that will be good enough for him to get minutes every night. Maybe not lots of minutes, but probably more that anyone thinks. And with Camby and Kirt taking some minutes and talking to him, and showing him the ropes nothing but good things are likely.

Not being able to handle a hangover will lead to a level of maturity.
Wheels to Jason Quick

by Kampeska on Dec 24, 2011 5:43 PM PST reply actions  

I dont think CJ is really that talented

BUT i do see what you’re talking about. One thing for sure is that he is not intimidated. He has the perfect mindset for the NBA, and that can make up for a lot.

by moflow on Dec 25, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

One important factor that Dave neglected

Those pigeons on Kurt Thomas’s shoulders offer extra defensive range, plus an intimidation factor the likes of which we haven’t seen since Charles Oakley in his final season.

by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 24, 2011 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

Nate's minute management of C's will be a big issue

If they can use KT for ~16min and Camby for ~20 a game they will be in relatively good shape using LMA (and CJ for spot minutes). My biggest concern is using Camby too much when he’s playing well and losing him for a few weeks at a time, which will put a ton of pressure on LMA to play 5, and Wallace to play 4, especially defensively. Both have expressed the desire to play the smaller position and while both are capable of playing the bigger position it will really stress them to play the larger positions for extended periods of the season.

by aces_dad on Dec 25, 2011 12:35 AM PST reply actions  

Great post

My hope is that CJ grabs more than spot minutes for the reasons you have eloquently explained. If he can take the pressure off the other centers and LMA and Crash we might be able to make it though a whole season. If not, there will be blood.

Not being able to handle a hangover will lead to a level of maturity.
Wheels to Jason Quick

by Kampeska on Dec 25, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Current Stats on Joel Freeman

Joel Freeman current stats at UNICAJA MALAGA basketball team (Spain-ACB)

GAME MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST BS TO PTS
11 26.5 59.2% 38.6% 73.5% 1.7 5.6 7.4 1.0 1.5 0.7 0.7 1.6 13.4

Born: 1987 – Height: 208cm / 6’10’’ – Position: Forward – Weight: 102kg / 224.4lbs

In 2009, Freeland joined the Spanish Euroleague club Unicaja Málaga on a 5 year contract worth €4.5 million euros net income.4 During the 2009-2010 season Freeland made his Euroleague debut and made 32 ACB appearances. The 2010-2011 season was Freeland’s best so far, averaging career highs of 13.3 points and 6 rebounds a game.

Given this info, I think I would like to see Joel Freeman over Chris Johnson. If this last team is willing to give him a 5 year contract, he must be doing something right.

(sorry for some formatting issues)

by Roger Foard on Dec 25, 2011 3:12 AM PST reply actions  

I would love to see Joel play

He has been coy about coming over. He is making money and making a name for himself. I would not give up Chris Johnson for him because I know Chris Johnson can play in the NBA. In that way Joel is a bit of an unknown quantity. I have seen him play in the Euro League and he does look very good. If Joel would come I am sure there are other places to look for a seat.

Not being able to handle a hangover will lead to a level of maturity.
Wheels to Jason Quick

by Kampeska on Dec 25, 2011 8:20 AM PST reply actions  

Just glad to see a season at all, but..

yeah, the Blazers’ situation at the 5 terrifies me. I will be hinging all hope on CJ :) And a great pick-up at the trade deadline, haha

Go Blazers!

by EowynAmarie on Dec 25, 2011 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

kinda late for the Great Pumpkin

But it would be appropriate for Oden to sit on the bench wearing an orange suit. The head football coach at Oregon State used to wear orange all the time. Fans called him the Great Pumpkin back in the 70s.

If Oden wore orange to the games then at least all the Linuses on this site would have some tangible sign to support their delusional fantasies.

Saviors never die, do they? Look at pathetic little Linus huddled in the pumpkin patch, freezing his butt off waiting for the Great Pumpkin. Every year he is disappointed but still he clings to his asinine fantasy. I could say the same for religious fundamentalists but I don’t want to veer too far off topic.

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by scaredcow on Dec 25, 2011 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

at least all the Linuses on this site would have some tangible sign to support their delusional fantasies

Nothing wrong with hope as long as you’re not afraid of disappointment. Sports from a fans perspective is inspiration, entertainment and character building. Not near as serious as how you believe reality works.

by poorwebguy on Dec 25, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

"Asinine" would be relying on a low probability outcome

“Asinine” would also characterize passing on a reasonable opportunity. Both conditions apply to Oden.

It would be just as asinine to give up on Oden as it would be to build a team around the assumption he will return at full strength.

Oden is certainly polarizing, but not to the point of justifying “asinine” labels…

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