Blazersedge Mailbag: Core Values
Dave,
Do you really get all of those questions or do you just pick topics of the day and run with it?
Nope, they're all questions from my inbox. Sometimes I edit them down or compress 2-3 different inquiries on the same subject into one question for the sake of clarity and completeness but they're all asked. And now your question is among them to put your mind at ease!
The questions do tend to reflect current topics (at least when I get to them in a timely manner) as that's what people are curious about. Here's a sampling of questions asked within the last 24 hours.
How confident are you with a potential Batum-Aldridge-Matthews core moving forward? Doesn't that lineup feature the balance of looming potential and solid productivity teams search for? And is it fair to say that lineup is a few pieces of way from legit playoff contention?
I like certain things about that lineup. Youth is one. Defense is a clear strength, perhaps the most exciting. Aldridge has shown consistent scoring ability and Matthews has shown signs of becoming a big scorer. I'm interested to see what Batum and Matthews do now that they're not looking over their shoulder waiting for Roy, now knowing that the team depends upon them to score. They could light it up. I certainly like this core more than that of, say, Milwaukee or Minnesota or even in some ways the Clippers or Kings. It's a good group to start with.
On the other hand it's not as easy as saying, "Those three are young and going to get better and then the Blazers will be great." Batum hasn't shown star-level ability in the NBA yet. You can talk all you want about a couple months in Europe and an upward growth curve but if that's all it took Rudy Fernandez would be a star. Jerryd Bayless and Jarrett Jack might too. The Blazers are reportedly still high on Batum. It's time for him to justify their confidence. If he does we won't have an argument. If he doesn't, how long can you keep waiting? Matthews generates points but not consistently and not off the dribble. In fact he's just bad off the dribble. That's going to create problems. So even though this lineup has potential it's not trouble-free and certainly not guaranteed to produce.
Were I on the outside looking in I'd say I like all three players but they're likely to get a rude awakening as they try to break through to individual stardom and team success. Say what you want about Brandon Roy and Greg Oden (when the latter played, anyway) but both of them drew more attention than Miranda Kerr at a pool party. Even a hobbled Roy scared opponents. He was the one guy you didn't want going off. You had to send two men against Oden on the boards too. That's all gone now. Opponents are free to concentrate on the remaining players. If I'm an opponent I guard Batum for the drive and Matthews for the jumper, leaving them in single coverage until they've proven they can produce enough to hurt me. I reserve all my attention for Aldridge because he's the only one I feel can cost me the game. I'll let the other two do their thing and try to kill the Blazers by cutting off their head. Somebody's got to prove they can step up and take the defensive focus away from LMA. It's not going to be Camby. That leaves Batum, Matthews, Wallace, and Felton. Right now as a Blazer observer I don't know which it will be and I'm not sure any of them save Wallace can do it on a consistent basis...and I suspect Wallace will be traded. If I'm an opponent I'm looking at a roster that I respect but don't fear outside of LaMarcus.
How confident am I that this lineup is going to be good? Pretty confident. How confident am I that this lineup will ever be great? That I'm not so sure. I need to see them prove it...not hint or tantalize, but prove it.
As to whether it's fair to say this lineup is "a few pieces away from legit playoff contention", yes it is. But the way the NBA works it's fair to say that about every team. The statement is in the same vein as "The Blazers played the Mavericks pretty well in last year's playoffs!" Both are just different ways of saying, "You aren't there yet."
Most of us believe this Blazers team cannot contend in the west. That is, most of us see another one and done season... at best. The thing is I would have argued the same for both the Mavs and the Grizz last year. On a shortened season I believe returning the same core of players that gave the champs a run last year has value.
In fact I would say the only way to land a top tier free agent next summer would be to make a playoff run this year. I believe a season with the current crew is essential in identifying who will be our guys moving forward. It's not impossible that lighting is caught in the proverbial bottle is it?
1. As to the comparisons to the Mavs and Grizz...just because something happens to someone else and you have a similarity to them it doesn't follow that it will happen to you. Barack Obama was elected president. He is a middle-aged male. I am a middle-aged male. It does not follow that I will be elected president. Both had particular circumstances--massive untapped upside in the case of the Grizzlies and a veteran, superstar-led team which had been to the Finals before in the case of the Mavs--which do not apply to this year's Blazers.
2. For the proper perspective on that first paragraph take out [gave the champs a run] and replace it with [lost in the first round]. One cannot base accurate predictions on taking the most rosy, forgiving interpretation and then assuming that it will get even better. Instead assume a baseline that's at least neutral or even a little harsh and ask, "Has the team evolved in such a way that under the same conditions they could overcome what stopped them before and change these results?" The league won't let you play your best over the long haul. Instead they'll force you to play your worst and see if you can get out of it and generate wins anyway. The teams that ultimately win aren't those for whom everything goes right...though that can give you a temporary burst. The teams for whom things go wrong but they persevere anyway are the ones who emerge victorious. Everybody else gets to blame refs, the schedule, bad playoff draws, weather, universal conspiracies and the like.
3. Doing well is important to getting top tier free agents. I imagine the Blazers will do as well as they can. They're certainly not going to blow up this team immediately and retreat to 20 wins.
4. This season is exactly as you described: a testing period for the current crew. That should create certain expectations/goals and eliminate others or at least relegate them to a chance not worth talking about unless it happens. The Blazers would rather not be in an evaluation year. Trust me, they figured they'd be deep into the conference title hunt by now. But an evaluation year is better than a year shooting for good lottery position because you already know you stink.
5. Lightning can be caught in a bottle. But who's to say it strikes the Blazers and not someone else? After all, couldn't fans of every team hope for the same? And what would it mean even if it did hit Portland? Winning teams don't wait for lightning. They let the lightning hit other people and then crush them anyway.
In response to your suggestion that trading LMA for Dwight Howard would be a fine idea if it could happen, at what point does a team put absolutely everything at stake in order to try and win a championship? I understand it is the ultimate goal in the NBA. But when does trading players who you think could win your city a championship for stars, who haven't even been able to win their current team a championship, any different than playing fantasy basketball? Isn't some amount of loyalty towards players on your city's team worth anything anymore?
Loyalty matters. In fact it's one of the keys to winning, as folks in Dallas or San Antonio could tell you. But you are loyal to the players who help you win championships (or at least win as much as you possibly can) just as players tend to be loyal to teams on which they can succeed most as individuals. You can't be loyal to every guy who puts on your uniform...at least if loyalty extends to never saying goodbye to them. Otherwise we'd still have Rick Adelman and Jim Barnett in the lineup. You can be loyal in the sense of treating them well, compensating them fairly, and giving them the best chance to excel while they are with their organization. That's expected. But when their time is done, which includes you having a chance to improve the team by letting go of them, both they and you understand that the move must be made.
Even though players tend to take trades hard--after all it's never easy hearing an organization prefers someone else over you--they also support them, at least in the abstract. Consider 15 guys on the Blazers roster. If you really believe that trading Aldridge for Howard would give the team a better chance at success and a title, how fair would it be to the other 14 (who are loyal to you and the team) for you to not make that deal out of attachment to LaMarcus? You've just shown that the priority of this team isn't winning, but something else. No matter how noble that something else is, it will not hold the team together the way driving forward towards victory will. These guys aren't in the business to make friends. They have plenty of those on and off the court. Their job, their drive, is to win basketball games. Once you tell them that's no longer the goal, or even that it comes second, they're going to fracture. If keeping LaMarcus is more important than winning then why isn't giving me more shots so I can reach my full potential and earn a better contract more important than winning? Hey, if his shots and contract are important, why aren't mine??? And on it goes.
You make the moves you need to make in order to succeed, period. People's feelings get hurt in the process. Fans and team officials alike have to say goodbye to players they like. Everybody gets over that and re-focuses on the new team, the new players, and hopefully a new path to victory. Trying to hold on to the old past its time only destroys it and sours the memory.
If the Blazers traded LaMarcus we'd all be sad. But we'd also get to like Dwight Howard plenty well just like we liked Scottie Pippen back in the late 90's and Gerald Wallace today. That's the neat thing about red and black: they look good on a lot of people.
Well, jeepers. It was my intent to answer six questions today but just three of them fills up the page. More tomorrow!
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Great point
about the fallacy of young players always improving, Dave. It’s so easy to say well, players X, Y, and Z were good last year, and they’re young, so we’re bound to see player X + a, player Y + b, and player Z +c, we’ll be amazing. It’s hard enough for any player to improve significantly on a year to year basis, especially if they improved significantly the previous year, but seeing three players make huge leaps in a single year is just wishful thinking. It gets compounded when you consider that more touches for Nic or Wes have to come at someone’s expense (we can’t get everything from missing Roy), which makes it more likely for guys like Aldridge or GW to slip a little if those guys do improve.
Really, the best case scenario is like the Thunder last year, where Westbrook took a huge leap, along with smaller improvements from Harden and Ibaka, but even then you saw those improvements accompany semi-significant drops in performance from Durant and Jeff Green.
It’s just something of a zero sum game, sadly. Sure, it may be possible to compete in the short term if all of our young players improve without much slippage, I think that it’s a whole lot more unlikely to happen than people sometimes assume.
I don't like to think of a basketball team as a zero sum game
but I think he’s right that Batum and Wes aren’t assured to make the next level just because of their youth.
I used to be a basketball player like you, then I took the Portland Trail Blazers' training staff to the knee.
by Doctor Worm on Dec 14, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Not quite zero sum
Pace is a variable. If you go from 80 shots a game to 85 for instance,that’s more shots,more passes,likely more rebounds to go around.
And minute distribution w/in the game may not change the total achievements,but can drastically change individual ones.If Nate goes w/a constant wing rotation of Batum,Matthews and Wallace compared to last yr,that’s court time that Rudy,Roy ate up last yr.
Zero sum is a bit of an overstatement
It’s not like everything has to come at the expense of another player, an increased FG% can certainly mitigate the effect of a drop in shot attempts on a player’s scoring numbers, but the effect isn’t nearly as great as people assume.
For example as a back of the envelope calc, if LA takes 2 fewer shots a game (completely reasonable) with LA and Wes taking more of the load, but they’re better shots so his FG% increases 5% (somewhat unreasonable, but not completely out of the picture), then his scoring average still drops half a point per game, assuming his FT numbers stay exactly the same.
Problem is - you HAVE to have player development to improve
So you must rely on player development. When it doesn’t work out, fire the guys that couldn’t project or develop the player and move on. Part of the game. Pick another GM, pick another coach, let them pick another player via draft or trade and move on.
But, just because we don’t have the answers yet on Oden, Batum, Mathews, Williams, Smith, Johnson or Babbitt doesn’t mean the Blazers are on the wrong path – just means that everyone’s future is tied to that group improving to complement the seasoned talent on the team.
Packaging some of that potential for another borderline star with a lower risk upside is a valid approach. Packaging our senior talent with junior talent to acquire even higher end talent is a valid approach – but right now – standing pat is also a valid approach. Just riskier, perhaps – and jobs should be on the line if it doesn’t work out.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 14, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Of course
you have to have some sort of plan, even if that is just relying on internal development. My point is that these things seem to get thrown about more without getting subjected to the same degree of scrutiny as a trade proposal. I could just as easily say that the Blazers could become contenders by trading Wes and Nic for Deron Williams, but that would rightly not be taken as a serious suggestion.
People rightly got tired of the endless trade proposals where we’d get Chris Paul without giving up any of Roy, LA, or Oden, but I don’t see that as being significantly more unlikely than banking on the scenario that Wes, Nic, and LA all become borderline all stars/legit superstars (in LA’s case), but you see the latter thrown around uncritically all the time.
by Royster on Dec 14, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Recd.
I used to be a basketball player like you, then I took the Portland Trail Blazers' training staff to the knee.
by Doctor Worm on Dec 14, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Standing pat is valid - to a point
It’s only worthwhile if you are going to play all these young, mostly unproven guys enough minutes with enough of a leash to find out exactly what it is you think you have. Otherwise, you end up right back where you started a year from now – a stable of young guys who we have no idea if they can play or not.
I’m fine with using this year to evaluate – but that means we should actually do it. Stunting Nic or Wes (via Wallace or Crawford), and not playing Nolan Williams (Babbitt?) any real minutes doesn’t really get us anywhere in trying to evaluate those players.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
McMillan has a decent enough record developing legit talent
Roy and Aldridge got the time necessary to develop. Arguably, so has Batum. Oden didn’t have any trouble getting time when healthy. Mathews, as a second year player, got plenty of time.
McMillan doesn’t have a good record developing raw prospects, however. If they can’t immediately contribute – they don’t turn into contributors under McMillan’s watch. Granted, these “project” types haven’t exactly torn the league up after being traded/discarded – but McMillan isn’t about turning lead into gold.
This isn’t necessarily a knock on McMillan, really – although I have been frustrated when he gives guys like Patty Mills lots of playing time – while guys like Armon Johnson sit. Johnson, whatever the opinion on his ceiling, could do everything Patty could do and play defense. Even if Patty was slightly better than Johnson initially, Johnson had the physical potential and Patty did not.
Overall, we can point to guys like Webster, McRoberts, Bayless, Cunningham, and Pendergraph and say that McMillan did all right by these guys.
If Elliot Williams is someone that can step in immediately, likewise Nolan Smith, they will get the playing time they need.
In my opinion, last years’ handling of Johnson/Mills is my only real beef – mainly because McMillan favored the lesser talent.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 15, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
I feel that Nate gave AJ a more than fair shot at winning the backup PG spot last year.
Patty wasn’t getting any floor time early last year, except as a cheerleader. AJ had a strangle hold on that job and couldn’t hold it. AJ has to avoid turnovers and he just couldn’t last year. +/- is a unreliable stat, but it especially has validity as it relates to a PG. I couldn’t take AJ giving up leads by the time he was benched. Unfair to point to AJ and say that Nate doesn’t give the kids a chance.
by 52therim on Dec 15, 2011 6:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nate said this year in practice that he is not sure that AJ is not more of 2gd
AJ has a shoot first mentality and is often said to be a left handed Bayless. It is almost certain that Smith has beat him out this year for the same reason Mills beat him out last year. AJ doesn’t read the floor great yet and he has that shoot first mentality.
hg
Mills over AJ is indefensible
If you want to use +/- as a criteria – the team was outscored by 6.14 points/100 possessions with Johnson on the floor – and 6.86 pts/100 with Mills on the floor. Give up leads? Mills was worse.
Mills had very slight shooting % advantages (basic/TS%/eFG%/3pt%,etc), but nothing significant. Mills also had better TOV% and steal %.
However, Johnson was worse on TOV% because of one or two isolated games, had a better AST%, much better TRB%, and could play NBA defense.
Mills, for whatever slight gains he provided offensively (and it was closer than most people admit), was atrocious defensively. Johnson = good. Mills = so bad he should be playing in China.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 15, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
IMO
The improvement and touches doesn’t have to be who shoots the rock, but enough improvement to make the defense play them honest would be the biggest help for LMA.
True, if Matthews or Batum gets more shots then LMA would get less shots, but they may be quality shots without all the pest swarming around him.
hg
This read in my head like a hard-boiled detective Voice Over
Read it again with Humphrey Bogart’s voice in your mind and you’ll see what I mean.
Also, this passage came as particularly inspiring tonight. Thanks, Dave.
The teams that ultimately win aren’t those for whom everything goes right…though that can give you a temporary burst. The teams for whom things go wrong but they persevere anyway are the ones who emerge victorious.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
except for....the L*kers
The teams for whom things go wrong but they persevere anyway are the ones who emerge victorious.
yeah…they generally got it real tough when they’ve won all those championships.
perhaps Dave speaks of a metaphorical “win” in this regard
by blazerblaze on Dec 15, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
“I’m going wherever they value loyalty the most.” -Dwight Schrute
by IsWesleyMatthewsForReal? on Dec 15, 2011 5:56 AM PST reply actions
1st Question in the Mailbag Dave Inserted as a Topic of the Day.
But seriously Dave, you do a great job answering the mailbag questions. Thanks!
" In fact I would say the only way to land a top tier free agent next summer would be to make a playoff run this year."
That would certainly help, but none of that matters if you are totally cap-strapped. I would say that the first key to getting that top tier FA is to be able to pay that elite player. There has been talk from Melo, CP3, ect about taking less money and for the most part all it’s been is talk (I’m aware that the Heat trio didn’t all get totally maxed out, but it was close).
Is it a long-shot that a top guy chooses a small market like Portland? Probably, but no less likely than some GM deciding he wants to trade his star player for a package that doesn’t gut our team. We’ve seen what it takes to acquire a CP3-level player now. Wow! I’ll take my chances with player development and free agency.
The Blazers are on the right track. Don’t try to add guys, even if it will help the team marginally, if it blows cap space for next year. Player development AND cap flexibility lets us have multiple avenues to see this team get to the next level.
by 52therim on Dec 15, 2011 7:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Rec. Patience and a plan.
You can’t plan on hope as with Oden, he’ll simply play at some point or he won’t. But you do have to solve the pivot by next summer given Camby’s age. At the same time, we need to bake the cake for a period in order to let Felton, Batum, Matthews, Aldridge and Wallace play the minutes we need to evaluate them. At the same time, we do need to see if Smith, Williams or even Babbitt have a future here, or on the second team. Right now, I suspect that Felton is near the top of that list in deciding if he’s a solid and future PG. Those, and pivots, are the most expensive and difficult players to get our hands on. Aldridge, with the right PF, could solve the pivot short and long term. The 2,3 and 4 offer the greatest liklihood of trades/drafts etc. to substantially improve the team. As we’ve also seen, it doesn’t take Paul or Williams to win the ring. LA, the Bulls, SA, the Mavs and even Boston did not have that caliber of PG – yet did put the rest of the core together.
I'm sure I'll get flamed as unrealistic, and I know it's a longshot, but let's throw out a scenario.
My understanding is that we can get enough under the cap by renouncing our free agents, except Batum, to offer a max deal next off-season. If we let Roy retire and amnesty GW we can get to almost 2 max offers.
Where is Dwight Howard going to end up? The Lakers only get him if they trade Pau and Bynum. Even then the Magic may keep him. NJ has a great chance. Dwight could decide to go there as a free agent to team up with DWill, but I’m hearing that the Mavs are going hard after DWill as the hometown kid. Not sure how much cap space NJ will have. I’m really not sure what teams will have space. I’m not saying we’re the favorites, but if Orlando is going to call Howard’s bluff, I’d like to be one of the teams that could offer Howard a max deal. Even better if we could offer Howard a max deal and have space to get another max player that would be attractive to Dwight.
by 52therim on Dec 15, 2011 8:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
"Everybody else gets to blame refs, the schedule, bad playoff draws, weather, universal conspiracies and the like"
Hey, Dave, what do you mean? I thought Blazer fans were the only ones entitled to complain about those things!
Seriously, what about injuries? What’s up with that? Does our team fail to evaluate players sufficiently? Do we take unacceptable risks on players that have potential health issues? Is our risk-reward formula skewed by comparison to the rest of the NBA? Do we injure players that would survive on other teams? Do we tend to put them out there too soon after injury? Is our training or medical staff below standard? Do we just have bad luck? Do we do worse than other teams when it comes to player health? What say you Dave?
Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!
another question: is our team "snakebit"?
Some have observed that we are. How did we get bit? Is there an antidote? How do we avoid getting bit again? (I’m a city guy, don’t know much about snake bites, but they sound horrible)
Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!
by Blzr fan on Dec 15, 2011 8:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dave, don't run this time.
Wait until 2016.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM

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