Trade Drawer.. or what would you do if you were a gm with balls?

by aznjoo on Dec 13, 2011 8:43 PM PST

I understand Paul Allens desire to win now.. but if it was up to me I would look to next years big free agency and try to make sure we are flexible and make moves that dont hamper our ability to aquire a star or legit starters... T hat said if i was going to be fired unless I made moves this year I would make this trade that ive mentioned on some other threads. Our target team UTAH. Like baylessface mentioned here Utah has an overabundance of BIGS. They could definetely use Nicolas Batum for the long term plans they have around Favors and Kanter. We are Paper thin in the 4/5. Do Blazer fans realise we are one Marcus Camby injury away from starting Chris johnson or Kurt thomas? Thats why it pains me to have to ship Marcus Camby, Gerald Wallace, and Nicolas Batum for Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, and Jeremy Evans. Trade machine Here

Incoming: Blazers finally get a solid Center in Al Jefferson to play alongside Aldridge. Al Jefferson and Millsap are both 26 and in their PRIME. Millsap would slide over to the 3 and play sf. As i've mentioned this could be a gamble but apparently he feels confident he can play that position. Millsap is solid and really stepped up his game. I also believe Jeremy Evans is going to be a monster in the future. Highlight here.

Outgoing: Marcus Camby has been great as a blazer and I respect his years lol. However he is closing in on being 38 years old. As I have mentioned above if we kept the team as is, Chris Johnson or Kurt Thomas would have to see significant minutes. He would provide stability and could teach the young ones with "his years" of experience on how to be a pro on and off the court for the year.
Gerald Wallace would also be a leader and Utah would appreciate his ability in the open court. I really love wallaces game but beggers can't be choosers and at this point we need to give crash up for the bigs.
Nicolas Batum in my (and probably the rest of blazer nations) opinion would be the toughest part of this deal. His potential is off the charts... but thats what we need to remember its potential. We cannot fall in love with Potential right now especially with Broy gone. We need proven players in their prime. I'm sure Batum will be great in the future.. maybe even an allstar... But its always easier to find a decent SF than a PF or Center.

That said.. heres the Lineup:
1. Felton//A.Johnson/Smith
2. Matthews//Williams/Smith
3. Millsap//Evans/Babbitt
4. Aldridge//(Landry)/C.Johnson
5. Jefferson//Thomas/greg oden.

Cant forget that we can still sign a free agent like Crawford or in my opinion Landry thus the Parenthesis. Get it done Pritchard.. er. CHO!.. er.. damnit we still don't have a GM.. so tell me what you think and bring up some other trade ideas blazer nation.

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You would have to talk me into taking Jefferson for free.

Roy for Jefferson?

Convince me it is a good idea.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 13, 2011 8:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions

Ameen

FaT Albert is such fools gold
Utah got him for free just a year ago
now they will do anything to get rid of him
they will probably Amnesty him
You would have to talk me into taking that contract for free
no way in my life I ever consider Batum in a deal for Fat Al
Would have to include 3 no 1s

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 13, 2011 11:42 PM PST up reply actions

I wouldn't do that

Free is to high a price to pay for Jefferson.

by gunballs on Dec 14, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Thank you

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 15, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions

jefferson is a black hole

he is a no.

by shallwemaui on Dec 13, 2011 9:03 PM PST reply actions

How is al Jefferson a black hole?!

20/10 average with close to 50% shooting?

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by aznjoo on Dec 13, 2011 9:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

No he's not a 20/10 guy

and no offense but that a awful trade

by Daddygr33nJeans on Dec 13, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions

Look at his stats

I read 20/10.

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by aznjoo on Dec 14, 2011 1:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions

before or after

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDY3hR6T1E4

by Daddygr33nJeans on Dec 14, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions

Hes all offense... a paperweight plays more defense...

but he has one helluva post move. ok so he has a couple but that quick turn around is deadly, and anything else he has is not worth talking about. Hes paid way too much for a limited skill set, even if on a good team hes a 20/10 guy. Hes an offense first PF… we already have that with a better skill set and our guy can actually play defense. Swap for Camby and Babbitt? sure. Just no core players for Jefferson, no way.

by avalancheman on Dec 14, 2011 2:38 AM PST up reply actions

One post move.

And that post move won’t show up when you need. He doesn’t possess the intangibles. Not a guy you want when your trying to build a contending team.

by gunballs on Dec 14, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

So was Zach Randolph

by superfly05 on Dec 14, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions

The ultimate singularity

I do not miss the days of ten Z-bo pump-fakes followed by a 15 foot clunker.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 14, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions

Although his roll-to-the-hoop banana hook was awesome

I noticed LMA doing that a couple times last year, too.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 14, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions

Jefferson is not and will never be Z-Bo

Lacks the “edge”

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 14, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions

Here's my idea:

First: I would trade anybody from the Armon Johnson/Luke Babbitt/Chris Johnson/ in combination with our 2012 2nd round pick and 2 million cash to acquire a late 1st round pick in either the 2012 or 2013 draft, such possible trade partners would include the Lakers, Magic, Hawks, Thunder etc. Basically I just want to acquire a 1st round draft pick without giving up that much. For the sake of this scenerio I will just say that Chris Johnson is shipped out

Next, I would sign Deshawn Stevenson to 1 year 5 million via MLE
And I would sign Reggie Williams to the BAE

I know what you’re thinking, we would have an absolute nightmare logjam on the wings, but my plan requires depth.

Then we would sit on our hands for a while biding our time, my prediction is that Milwaukee will flounder early and hopefully realize that they do not have what it takes to make noise in the playoffs if they can even reach the post season. The most logical course of action would be to strip the team of it’s worst contracts.
Then do this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7mwnlsb
Portland trades: Marcus Camby, Wesley Matthews, Elliot Williams, 2013 1st round pick (that we just acquired), 2013 2nd round pick, and 1 million cash for Andrew Bogut and Drew Gooden’s albatross contract

Also, as a side note, if we did manage to acquire Andrew Bogut, I would ship Greg Oden off to anybody who gave us anything of value, especially picks.

Roster:
PG: Raymond Felton – Nolan Smith – Armon Johnson
SG: Nicolas Batum – Deshawn Stevenson
SF: Gerald Wallace – Reggie Williams – Luke Babbitt
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge – Drew Gooden
C: Andrew Bogut – Kurt Thomas – Greg Oden

The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
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by gtbassett on Dec 13, 2011 9:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

Thats all fine if it works out that way

But it’s a gamble.. What if they make the playoffs? You already forgot to fear the deer?!?!

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by aznjoo on Dec 13, 2011 9:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

Batum isn't a 2

Sorry, but being able to play the 2 in france is very different from being able to dribbel in traffic in the NBA. I know the highlights of Batum running the offense for Nancy are tempting to buy into, but until batum shows us that he can dribble out of trouble against NBA pressure and create plays in the NBA he is and will be a 3.

by PortlandPhil on Dec 13, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

the position you play should't matter on how well you can dribble in traffic

Ray Allen is a 2 and he just shoots the ball

by Daddygr33nJeans on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions

Uhhh?

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

expect PG

and Batum is a pretty good ball handler

by Daddygr33nJeans on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions

Pretty good?

I’d call it passable, like 5/10

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by 420Phenom on Dec 14, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions

Since when is having two players at one position a log jam?

I keep hearing how we need to trade batum or wallace because we have a log jam, but correct me if I’m wrong, having only one player at a position is being thin. So according to most blazer fans having depth is bad because it is complicated for a coach, but being thin leaves us vaunerbale to injury? So where is the middle ground? Being two deep at the wing just seems smart when your starter is known for having a history of injuries. Do we really want to be an ankle sprain away from starting Babbitt?

by PortlandPhil on Dec 13, 2011 9:33 PM PST reply actions

Jefferson is a dud. Milsap is not a 3.

He’s been known throughout his career to be a player with little to no work ethic, and an underachiever. His numbers are just that, numbers. They don’t equate to winning basketball.

Milsap is an undersized 4. He doesn’t posses any of the qualities of a small forward. He doesn’t have a good midrange or outside shot. He can’t put the ball on the floor. He’s an undersized banger, much like a Dennis Rodman was, only not nearly as effective.

by jtkerr79 on Dec 13, 2011 9:54 PM PST reply actions

I don't agree with

Millsap not having a mid range shot. He has a pretty pure mid range game.

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by aznjoo on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

He can even step out and shoot the three a little bit.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 14, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions

Not to mention, Millsap is dimensionally larger than Crash only in weight

Same height, same wingspan. But Crash has the quickness to guard guards and 3’s, and is a much better shooter than Millsap.

So, Millsap isn’t even an improved mismatch at the 3.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions

Milsap would be a quality 3/4 off the bench

I would consider trading him for Crash only because of the longer contract with a lower number
Jefferson? you gotta be kidding

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions

Bad assessment of Millsap.

He doesn’t have the fluidity to play the 3, but he has a pure stroke. As he gets more comfortable with it he will be stretching defenses and creating space for teammates.
He’s also an animal. Will rebound and score on hustle. He is the kind of guy that you want when trying to build a contending team.

by gunballs on Dec 14, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions

I'd go after Rondo, hard.

Paul Allen, the 2011 Trail Blazers Owner/GM

by 420Phenom on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 PM PST reply actions

When I read the headline of this post I thought it was someone else Saying Abu Fatimah for GM

Boy was I wrong
I would eat a ham and drink beer before I ever traded for Jefferson

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 13, 2011 11:47 PM PST reply actions

this statement...

just increased your legitimacy as a GM candidate

by Rodney Gustafson on Dec 14, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs

just say no

to Al Jefferson. But I like Bogut, if he can get healthier. A center like that with a strong defensive presence is exactly the player we need, not another offense-first big like Jefferson.

by YoniRap on Dec 14, 2011 12:06 AM PST reply actions

It wouldnt be bad to have some aggressive players,.

Cause losing roy… we got next to nothing Outside Lamarcus For someone creating their own shot.

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by aznjoo on Dec 14, 2011 1:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions

That Gerald Wallace guy is pretty good.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Dec 14, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

I can't believe I'm reading all this

Hatred to Big Al. He Can play Monster d if he chooses.,. Watch all his rejections in his hoghlights. just need Nate McMillan to be a good coach and make sure al buys into the d thing here in Portland.

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by aznjoo on Dec 14, 2011 1:26 AM PST via mobile reply actions

Big Al has never bought into playing D, nor will he ever.

Highlights are for schmucks.

Paul Allen, the 2011 Trail Blazers Owner/GM

by 420Phenom on Dec 14, 2011 4:27 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs

Hoghlights

A Freudian typo :-)

by AJB2 on Dec 14, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions

Andrew Bogut

I’d make it happen, whatever it took outside of Aldridge. Ok maybe not quite ANYTHING… but any somewhat reasonable offer. We need a great center next to Aldridge, then from there its just putting a good wing or PG in the mix for title contention. Heck Jamal Crawford plus an array of cheap, defensive wings and a stand-in at PG would probably work.
Batum is nice, Matthews is a good prospect long term, Felton and Wallace are both assets for sure, but a top-5 center plus a top-5 PF should equal championships, you just need to bite the bullet for a few years perhaps to let the dust settle, hold onto those two with no care for anyone else on the roster, then go find a decent third guy who can score.

Okafor for cheap would work too. No way will I pay max money for any center not named Bogut or Howard, and I need to be able to convince them long term is a great prospect next to Aldridge.

by avalancheman on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 AM PST reply actions

No Okafor.

Comments for Jefferson can all be applied to Okafor as well. He was the bain of Larry Brown’s existence in Charlotte.
Bogut would be awesome! is he on the market and if so why? If I was a GM that’s the type of player I would want to keep around.

by gunballs on Dec 14, 2011 5:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

Bring over Millsap.

We know the’ye been talking about it for years. My Christmas wishlist is Crawford and Millsap in Blazer uniforms. Both these players are available.

by gunballs on Dec 14, 2011 5:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

No thanks

No way on Al Jefferson. Simply no way. We do not need to shuffle role players. We have enough. We need a scored and a rebounder. Crawford or Landry or both sets us up for the year. Then next year the chips will be better in the game and we can consider what direction we go.

by lee3022 on Dec 14, 2011 7:49 PM PST reply actions