Blazers reach out to Nene’s agent
"The Nuggets, New Jersey Nets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, Los Angeles Clippers and Portland Trail Blazers were among the teams that reached out to Nene’s representatives Wednesday, the first day teams were allowed to contact agents to discuss potential deals."
Seriously doubt the Blazers can compete with teams with cap space.
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Was wondering same thing
Why do blazer’s keep getting thrown in the mix for this? Is there even a chance we could sign him? Through some form of extend-and-trade or something? Or are they so use to throwing the blazers in for fodder to make these rumors sound more legit?
He said he didn't care about the money. wants to go to a place where he could win
Also, look at the teams: Nene said he did want to play for the Nuggets anymore. the Pacer have Roy Hibbert to lock up. The Clipper are on that line because they like the growth of Deandre Jordan but they also have money to spend.The Nets make no sense at all, they want are big names. Only the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets really have a need for him. the Blazer are like the Pacer, their going to pay Oden but they could use him. If portland could do a sign and trade like:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7t6zjwy
then it would be great
by Daddygr33nJeans on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 PM PST reply actions
also i was think what if blazers got Nene, then it went syraight to does he have good knees
last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4I5fEij1Qk
also in 05 in the first game of the season he torn his ACL (that’s the bad one) sprain the MCL and torn his Meniscus( like Brandon)
by Daddygr33nJeans on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
didn't Nene have a bout with cancer?
or am I thinking of someone else?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he did
testicular if i’m not mistaken
Enjoy the Ride
Blunt+Sharp
by DigitalDaggers on Dec 2, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
ive proposed this exact swap a couple of times
no one has been able to tell me why it wouldnt work
by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 1, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
it works and denver would do it
instead Nene leaving and they get nothing, Camby would be there.
by Daddygr33nJeans on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Because Masai Ujiri is the Chuck Norris of NBA GMing
He’d probably water board Larry Miller and Chad Buchanan until they agreed to give up Batum and a pick, along with Camby.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Irons in the fire.
It’s a game chance and percentages.
You throw enough lines out there you’re gonna eventually get one hook, line and sinker.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Dec 1, 2011 12:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The Blazers would be looking for a sign-and-trade deal, not a free agent signing.
Nene will get far more than the $5M MLE (which is the most the Blazers can offer even if they amnesty Brandon), so they have zero chance of signing him as a free agent. But the Blazers could do a sign-and-trade with Denver either giving up Wallace or Batum+Camby (to match salaries). Denver has little leverage since Nene is an unrestricted free agent and can simply walk away. Nevertheless, I expect they could find a better sign-and-trade deal that Nene would take rather than simply settling for Camby’s expiring contract.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 12:33 AM PST reply actions
That may not be true
Nene will get far more than the $5M MLE (which is the most the Blazers can offer even if they amnesty Brandon), so they have zero chance of signing him as a free agent. But the Blazers could do a sign-and-trade with Denver either giving up Wallace or Batum+Camby (to match salaries).
In fact they could get away with possibly letting go of neither Wallace or Batum, via the Nets by sending out salaries of Camby/Felton, in addition to the amnesty of Roy. Remember about sign & trades, players have to agree to them. The Blazers could compeltely circumvent the Nuggets & rip Nene off of them with NJ’s help(they do it for Howard cap space in 2012).
Too complex and risky. And why would NJ want Felton?
No guarantee the Blazers want to get rid of Roy yet (but let’s not argue that in this thread – that argument is on going in 8 other threads). Then you have to backfill the starting PG spot if you got rid of Felton. Then you still have two premium SF’s (neither is a 2 or 4) and will have to re-sign Batum to a substantial contract in addition to Wallace’s big contract (who might opt-out).
I think we are unlikely to do anything with Batum vs Wallace until next summer because of Wallace’s opt-out. But if you could get a big deal like a Nene now, then I’d make the deal and take the risk.
Remember about sign & trades, players have to agree to them.
Players have to agree to sign as free agents. So that’s not an additional problem. The point is Nene would have to want to come to PDX either way. The sign-and-trade is just a way to get a high-priced free-agent when you are over the cap.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
And you still have Oden's cap hold that you are not figuring into your numbers.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
"that’s not an additional problem."
it is for this
I expect they could find a better sign-and-trade deal that Nene would take rather than simply settling for Camby’s expiring contract.
Nene could completely circumvent Denver by simply dealing with another under-the-tax team by signing, or a sign & trade(possibly with Portland, though you are right a situation like that creates a hole at the 1 spot, with the logjam at the 3- Just saying it is a possibility)
Nene has to agree to come to portland whether he signs a free agent contract or
accepts a sign-and-trade. So either way, Nene has to want to come to Portland. No difference.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Difference between Portland and
Indiana, Golden State, Denver, Clippers & Nets are the Blazers actually have a good situation for him to win like he said he wants to.
What's that have to do with coming via free-agency or sign-and-trade.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
It has everything to do with it
Nene said he wants to win, money isn’t an object… So, If you wanted to win a championship, would you sign with one of those teams, or would you sign with Portland if all the offers are the same?
It has nothing to do with him coming to Portland as a free agent vs a sign-and-trade.
Either way he still has to agree to come. Your original comment isn’t an argument against him getting here by a sign and trade. That comment was:
Remember about sign & trades, players have to agree to them.
Duh! That’s true for a sign and trade or a free-agent signing.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Regarding your quote of me
That was in response to
Nevertheless, I expect they could find a better sign-and-trade deal that Nene would take rather than simply settling for Camby’s expiring contract.– Doesn’t matter if they(The Nuggets) find a better deal, what matters is his personal choice. Nor does it matter whether he comes as a FA or a Sign & Trade – Both are possible & contingent upon him agreeing to play in Portland. SO my opinion is based by his words of wanting to win, money isn’t an option, leads me to believe he would sign with the Blazers if they made a move to get under the cap & make a similar offer. Especially when you compare the other teams of interest.
OK, you've cleared that up, but he isn't going to take a $5M MLE.
So sign and trade is the only thing that would work for Portland.
Your idea of getting far enough under the cap to sign him as a free-agent doesn’t work because you forgot about cap holds.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
"Your idea of getting far enough under the cap to sign him as a free-agent doesn’t work because you forgot about cap holds."
Can you show me proof we are at 88-90 mil in cap holds? Because StoryTeller’s most recent post has us at 70 million just like I said.
No that $70M number in THAT Storyteller post didn't include cap holds.
The correct number is about $89M with cap holds. Storyteller provided this link to that number.
Here for team salary with cap holds.
See where it says $88.8M in cap holds?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 3, 2011 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
Just visited StoryTellers website
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/Portland.htm
We have 68$mil in salary, with nearly 12$million in holds – However, if we continue on the aggressive free agent path we are discussing- Oden’s 8.7$ Million dollar qualifying offer cap hold can be traded as well as the draft rights to Joel Freeland or Victor Claver. Patty Mills qualifying offer could not be signed as well for salary reasons.
Regardless of cap holds, the moves I discussed while unlikely & risky – are possible.
You are still not looking at the right number.
It’s not $80M, it’s the first column you need to look at. It’s $88.8M.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 3, 2011 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'm 90% positive that's illegal
You can’t S&T another team’s FA.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I just read your comment below
Well done. I never would have thought of that.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I just wish i had a giant touch screen trade machine like he has
by 420Phenom on Dec 1, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You'd still have to dump a lot more salary, though.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Regardless
There is a reason the Blazers are talking to him. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_free_agency_113011 – There would be no point if they were not going to amnesty Roy, it would be completely out of the question if you keep him on board.
They have to talk to his agents about a sign-and-trade.
The fact they are talking to his agents doesn’t mean they are talking about a straight free-agent signing.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
but the fact they are taking to the agents for Crawford/Hayes/Landry
argues that Portland is expecting to have the full MLE to spend
and you already know what “that” means, re: Roy
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
*talking
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
It definitely suggests they are preparing for that possibility.
But, it’s a two-way street. They can’t sign one of those $5M guys without amnestying Roy, but if none of them is willing to come to PDX for $5M there is less reason to amnesty Roy. So now is the time to talk to everyone and check out all of the possible options.
Two days ago I wrote there was about a 95% probability that Roy got waived. I’d put that at about 85% now. Not much different, but you never know.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Is it possible we could lose enough cap?
and pull it off?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bmgfzeg
New Jersey needs cap space next year for Howard, we need it now(If you assume we absolutely need to sign Nene). We can move a lot off the cap very quickly.
Right now we have a $71 million salary
Trade NJ Marcus Camby & Raymond Felton(though they don’t need him, him & DWill could play small, whats another losing season for a 1 year player when they are just looking forward to Brooklyn & cap space) – Both expire next season.
Puts us down to 52.3$ million salary
Portland gets Damion James, Ben Uzoh & Sundiata Gaines(Paul Allens point guard love continues !)
collectively they add up to roughly 2.5 million, bringing the number to 55.8$ million, but then after Roy’s 15m$ amnesty, we go all the way down to 40.8$ million. This puts us right around the same salary range of the other teams Nene has been contacted by:
Warriors(45$mil – 11 million David Lee amnesty = 34mil Salary)
Nets(40 Million, They could setup a potential sign & trade Nene to the Blazers w/ Camby/Felton for cap space for next years run at Dwight Howard)
Rockets(30$ mil in cap holds, but have so many team option contracts for bad players they could get down to 9.8 Million $ Salary, which seems outrageous. They will be big players in F/A- They have to be to meet minimum salary),
Pacers(27$mil)
Clippers(34$ mil, all options will be accepted-Griffin, Gordon team options/Moe Williams player option)
You are forgetting about cap holds.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 1:13 AM PST up reply actions
Storyteller puts our salary at about $88M-$89M with cap holds.
So forget about getting under the cap to get a free agent that way.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
The link that Norsk gave me
That was made most recently by Storyteller, shows that we have 70 mil in salary cap holds:
To summarize, Portland is currently committed to $70,034,204 and has 12 players on their roster. This puts the team well over the anticipated salary cap of $58,044,000 and leaves them with only 3 open roster spots. It also puts them very close to the anticipated tax threshold of $70.307,000
That $70M number doesn't include Oden or any cap holds.
I asked Storyteller specifically what are team salary is right now with cap holds. Here is his answer.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/Portland.htm
The number is 88.8M. With cap holds we are $30.8M over the salary cap. Now if you want to get more than $5M under the cap (because you can offer a $5M MLE by just getting under the luxury tax threshold – which is easy), then you have to dump at least $35.8M in salary and cap holds. That’s ridiculous and isn’t going to happen. Any scenario you dream up to do that is just a fantasy.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 2, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Here ya go BlazerFanSince1970
http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/12/1/2604217/larry-millers-options-for-a-post-player#84404967
I included all cap holds, its very possible we can get under the cap & become players in FA.
That's just a fantasy.
You are trading Camby and Felton to NJ who has zero need for Felton. Now that you understand the cap situation you are adding another trade (not in your proposal above) to trade Wallace and Oden and and bunch of other players to Washington too. This is just fantasy. You might as well be working out some grand scheme to bring Dirk and CP3 here.You have just as much of a chance of making that happen. Good luck.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 2, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
While it may be fantasy
The reason I put this together to let those that think Portland can’t be a player in this years free agency wrong & I was successful – its possible, no matter how probable.
But it's more probable by doing a sign and trade than a free-agent signing.
Don’t you get that by now?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 3, 2011 1:36 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not the delusional one
who wants to rely on 26$million worth on contracts owed to Brandon Roy & Marcus Camby this season alone. Smh.
Yeah sign & trade is more probable, I’ve known that from the beginning. Once again, just showing its possible.
Ummm duh?
Blazers: Hey, do you think Nene would like to sign here for the 3 mil mle?
Agent: No.
Blazers: Full MLE?
Agent: No.
Blazers: How about a sign and trade 10 mil+
Agent: No.
Blazers: Ok thanks. Click
Not to say we would be completely shut down, but if any GM didn’t at least try something like this, then they should be fired.
by Batumshakalaka on Dec 1, 2011 12:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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