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Full Transcript: Blazers President Larry Miller Addresses Media Regarding Roy, Oden, GM Search & More

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Portland Trail Blazers president Larry Miller addressed a swarm of media members at the Rose Garden in what was dubbed an "informal media availability" in response to repeated requests for comment. Miller spoke for 21 minutes.

Note: the Blazers' practice facility will open Thursday morning. I'll be on site to see if anyone shows up. If no one shows up I will bring shorts and tennis shoes in my trunk and look to impress the 43 basketball operations people (but zero GMs) that are sure to be in the building.

Update: A spokesperson from the NBA league office informs Blazersedge that restricted free agents who are not yet under contract with their team cannot participate in training camps until signed officially. Miller appears to suggest below that Blazers center Greg Oden, who is a restricted free agent with an $8.8 million qualifying offer tendered back in June, would be able to participate in Blazers training camp before signing a contract with the team. Oden would need to accept the Qualifying Offer or agree to a multi-year contract extension before he could participate in camp. Free agency and training camp both begin on Dec. 9.

For a condensed version of the most important points, click here.

Here's a full transcript of what Miller had to say. A breakdown and thoughts are coming. Note: everything in the gray boxes is a word-for-word quote. Questions are bolded and paraphrased.

Opening Remarks

First of all, I want to say that I'm excited that we are here to talk about basketball. I want to start off by thanking all of our fans, our season ticketholders, our sponsors, all the folks who have stayed with us and supported us through this challenging time. I'm glad we are back and I'm glad basketball is about to start here. Can't wait for the Rose Garden to get rocking again.

Amnestying Brandon Roy?

The reality is that we have not - and regardless of what's been said by John Canzano and others out there - no decision has been made on amnesty as of yet. We are still looking at every possible option that is available to us but we have not made a decision as far as Brandon or anyone at this point.

The first call that [Acting GM] Chad [Buchanan] made this morning, he counted the clock down at 5:59, 6:00 this morning, his first call was to Brandon's agent to talk about how Brandon is doing, when we can sit down and have a conversation with Brandon. With everything that Brandon has done for this organization, there's no way we would make a decision like that without having conversations with them, without evaluating where he is and seeing what's going on with him.

Regardless of what anyone else is saying out there, that is not the case. We have not made a decision yet. For anyone who thinks that I'm just standing here saying that and it's not true, they don't know me. Anybody that knows me or has worked with me before, that's had interactions with me before, that's not how I operate. Again, unequivocally no definitive decision has been made about amnestying Brandon or any of our players.

Want to see Brandon in training camp first?

That would make sense, right? Brandon has done a lot for this organization. He's been one of the people who really helped this organization around. So to make a decision like that without looking at every possible factor involved in that decision just wouldn't make sense.

Timing of the decision

The other thing that's different than this amnesty than other amnesties, is that this amnesty is available throughout the life of this CBA for any player that is under contract right now. We would look at it and if we were going to make a decision for this year, it would have to be within a certain time period. But we have not made that decision yet.

What did Brandon's agent tell Chad?

I didn't talk to the agent. Basically he said that Brandon is feeling good. He feels like he's able to play and that he is willing to sit down and talk to us so we're going to continue that conversation. We basically have asked the agent to set up a time for Brandon to sit down with us. Hopefully, and I don't know the answer to this, because we haven't been able to talk to Brandon, I'm hoping he will be here when we open the doors tomorrow.

When does an amnesty decision need to be made prior to the 2011-2012 season?

Not sure yet. That's still something that the league hasn't defined clearly for us yet but they will.

GM search

We put that on pause. It continues to be on pause. I and the rest of us are confident that with Chad, with [coach] Nate [McMillan], with myself, with the people that we have in place here, we can make the decisions that this team needs made to be able to move this team forward and to be ready to go into next season. We know what we need in order to get better. We've been looking at all the free agents that are out there that can help us. Our biggest need and I'm sure this is not a surprise to anybody, is in the post. We need post players. That's what we have been looking at. Chad has been working the phones all day today. He's probably talked to 20 different agents today about players that can help us. We still have the GM search on pause. We are going to continue to move forward with the team that we have in place right now. I'm confident as is [owner] Paul [Allen] as is the rest of the organization in Chad and in the team that we have in place.

Timetable for new GM?

No timetable.

Operating as if you will have mini-Mid-Level exception?

We are looking at all of our potential options out there as far as free agency is concerned. RIght now, being taxpayers, we would have the mini-Mid-Level so definitely that's how we are proceeding but we are looking at all of the potential options that would be out there for us.

Make it through season with no GM?

Possibly. Again, no timetable on it right now. The thing for us with the GM is that we want to bring somebody in is going to be additive to our current staff. We don't want to just add what we already have. We want to bring in somebody and when we do bring in a GM that really enhances the team that we have in place. We just didn't feel like we found that in our initial search and right now we are happy with where we are.

Does Chad have autonomy or is this a group call?

It's always, always, no matter who is in that chair, it's always a group call here because at the end of the day it's Paul, it's myself, it's the general manager, that's really how decisions have gotten made here. That's how they are going to continue to get made, whether it's Chad in that role or someone else in that role.

Status of Greg Oden

Chad also talked to Greg's agent today. From all indications, Greg is doing very well. His rehab is going great. The doctors are pleased with where he is. Mentally it sounds like Greg is in a good place. I think he feels good about our organization and how we've supported him through all this. Hopefully Greg will be here and will be able to help us out this season.

Is January target date still?

It's still around the same timing. Which, again, he won't be ready for the start of the season but we're hoping by January that he's able to play.

Will Oden be in training camp?

He'll hopefully be in training camp. Don't know how much activity he will be able to participate in but he should be here.

But he's still a free agent?

Right now, the way it is set up, our practice facility is not only open to our contracted players but it's open to any potential free agents or anybody.

That's for workouts, what about training camp?

When training camp starts, by then hopefully we will know whether Greg is going to be here or not. Because free agency will be over at that point.

But camp starts on the same day as free agency. Can he begin training camp as a free agent?

I'm pretty sure he can.

You said that Chad talked to 20 agents. Was Joel Przybilla's agent one?

Yes.

Interested in pursuing him?

Again we are looking at post players. Joel fits that role for us. He's somebody that helped us when he was here. Great guy, great fit for this organization. If we could work it out, Joel would be a good fit for us for sure.

Extending Nicolas Batum?

We're definitely talking about that but Nic is somebody that we see as a part of this organization going forward. He's a part of the future of this organization.

Jeff Pendergraph

Jeff, again, is somebody that fits the post player that we are looking at. Hopefully Jeff is healthy and ready to play. He's somebody that we would also take a look at.

Ticket response from fans

Our season ticketholders for the most part have stuck with us. We've had some that got frustrated but for the majority they've stuck with us and decided that they were going to hang in there with us until this got worked out. Most of our season ticketholders have stayed with us.

How many didn't renew?

A small percentage. A small percentage. Hundreds (not thousands).

Renewal percentage?

Our renewal percentage is about where it was at this point last year actually. It hasn't dropped off very much at all.

Describe the roster

I think our roster is pretty good. I think we know where we need some help. We're looking to try to add that help. If we have a healthy Greg and a healthy Brandon we've got a great roster. If there's some issues there then we've got to figure out what we are going to do. I think our roster is good. I'm expecting LaMarcus [Aldridge] to be an All-star this year. I think Nic... Nic has been tearing up the European league. I think he's going to come back and really help us this year. I think with Wesley [Matthews] and the other players we have, I think we have a good roster and I think we are going to add the pieces that are needed to help us get better.

Are you trying to win now or rebuild or?

The goal always for us is to make the team better. If you look at the history of what Paul Allen has done since he's owned this team, it's been to try to win. That hasn't changed at all. That continues to be the goal. We're also, always, since I've been here, and even before, but definitely since I've been here, we've tried to do it from a dual position where our goal is to win games but we're also trying to be fiscally responsible. I think this new collective bargaining agreement with the new revenue sharing system that is going to go into place will help us to do both. That was the goal of going into this. Not just for us but for every team.

Will owner Paul Allen address the media?

Hopefully. Again, I don't know whether or when Paul will be ready to address the media but hopefully he will. At that point, that was before the lockout and a lot has happened since that point but hopefully he will.

Wait to see if offers come in on Oden and match, wll you make an extension or what's the plan?

We're looking at all of those. We are looking at having some conversations about extending, if an offer does come in we'll look at it at that point and decide if we're going to match it at that point. But we're looking at both of those situations. [Multi-year deal] is a possibility.

How much of a plan do you have done?

100 percent. Our guys have been working feverishly behind the scenes as much as possible because there was some limitations on being able to talk to agents and that type of thing. But we have a plan. Between Chad, Nate, myself, we have a plan. Now it's just a matter of whether we can execute that plan.

How many pieces in plan?

Depends. That depends on whether we can pick up the first part of our plan comes through or if we have to go to Plan B or Plan C but we have a plan and we are looking to execute that plan. Greg is a part of Plan A.

Portrayal of Paul Allen during lockout?

I think it was unfair. I think Paul basically looked to express his views in trying to get the best possible deal for the Trail Blazers as well as for the rest of the league and specifically with the focus on small market teams. He spoke up, voiced his opinions on what he thought should and shouldn't happen and he was unfairly villainized because of doing that. In the end, I think we got ... I can't talk about the deal, that's still taboo from the league, but I think Paul basically was just trying to do what he could to get the best possible deal.

Schedule release date?

We don't have it yet. We hope to have a schedule by early next week.

Speculation that Allen took hard-line stance to position himself to sell team

To me, it would seem like it would make sense the opposite way, right? He wouldn't care very much if that were the case. At this point the team is not for sale. I think Paul, his goal was to try to get the best deal he possibly could not just for the Trail Blazers but for the NBA.

Preseason schedule

There is a home-and-home with Utah. The dates are still being finalized on that.

When does your regular season start?

Don't know yet.

What have the last four months been like?

I think my butt print is on one of the seats on the Continental flight between here and New York because I've flown back and forth between here and New York, and the folks at the hotel know me personally. It's been a real, it was a real interesting process and a real interesting time for me. I got to see how some things work from an inside position. I also got to see how things get distorted sometimes. Where this is what is really happening and this is what is being reported. Not you guys. Not the Portland media. Portland media gets it right all the time.

Will original schedule remain the same?

Don't know at all. They are working through a whole new schedule I think. So some of it may be the same but now we're looking at 66 games instead of 82. There's going to be some additional time added on the back of the season so the season will be extended somewhat. As far as with games and who we are going to play and when the season is going to start and where we are going to be, we don't have any of that yet.

Indication of how many players show up tomorrow?

I don't. I know we have not... the only people who have been able to talk to players are our training staff. I do know Jay has reached out to all of our guys and I'm sure some will show up tomorrow and I would assume over the weekend that more will trickle in and that by, hopefully, over the weekend or early next week, the majority if not all of them will be here.

Is Brandon Roy Plan A like Greg Oden?

Brandon is a part of that plan as well. But again we are going to look at every option that is available to us before we make a decision on where we are going. It's not like it's unknown that Brandon had health issues last year. Everybody knows that. But, again, what Brandon did for this organization, what he's meant to this community, what he's meant to this team, there would be no way we would make a decision like this without looking at every possible factor involved. And that's exactly what we are doing right now.

Can you get sense for his status before games start?

We can try. We can talk to Brandon. We can see how he feels. We can look at it and make an evaluation at that point. We're going to look at every factor involved including the fan factor. For us to say, 'Hey we're just going to do this and not consider how the fans feel about it, how the community feels about it' -- we're going to look at all of that. Our goal is and continues to be to make our team better. To try to get better as a team, to try to win. That's what all of our decisions are going to be based off of.

No decision on Brandon Roy yet?

Absolutely no decision has been made regardless of what anyone says. No decision has been made at this point.

Expect Brandon Roy at training camp on Dec. 9?

Absolutely.

Biggest concern heading into season?

My biggest concern I guess is that we really go into the season focused on basketball. Last year, the end of the season, our season ended with a bad taste in our mouth. I absolutely thought we were going to beat Dallas especially after Game 4. I thought we were going to win that series and go on. Dallas, I got a chance to spend a lot of time with [Mavericks owner] Mark Cuban during the contract negotiations because he's on the committee, he told me that we were by far the toughest team that they played in the playoffs. That, to me, that's inspiring to me because that says we have... we are a good team and we need to add that few pieces here and there to get better. But I think that we can compete and really challenge Dallas and the other teams in this league. For me it's making sure that we stay focused on doing what we can to get better as a team.

Lost Bill Bayno

Bill Bayno was great for this team. Bill did some great things while he was here. Bill got an opportunity that we just couldn't match. Bill decided to take advantage of that opportunity, we wish him the best, but I think we've got a great coaching staff, still. And I know that a lot of the players because of the connections they have with coaches, they get kind of attached, but I think with the coaching staff that we have now, we won't miss a beat and I think that our players will be just as connected to the coaches we have today as they were to Bill and the other coaches we have. I believe we'll be fine from a coaching perspective.

Can you build a good coaching staff without multi-year contracts?

If you look at somebody like, what's his name in Utah, for years, he did one-year contracts every single year. That was his deal. He wanted to prove himself every year that he was deserving of a new contract. I think you can. I think we have a good coaching staff. I think Nate is one of the best in the league. And I think with Nate and the rest of the coaches that we have out there, I think we'll be fine from a coaching perspective.

Exploring trades for post needs or primarily free agency?

Right now it's free agency, that's the focus because that's what is about to open up for us. If there are trades out there we will explore that as well. We're looking at every option we can to get better but right now the focus is on free agency.

Response to people who say 'how do you not have a GM right now'?

I think with, again, with the experience that Nate brings to the table, I think Chad and what he has done and been around and the things Chad has had an opportunity to be exposed to, I think I bring something to the table in terms of understanding how basketball works and what players can help us or not. And then with the rest of the staff we have out there, with Mike Born, Bill Branch, that whole staff there, I think we're in really, really good shape. Again, to me, our goal was to find a GM that was going to enhance the team that we have out there. I think we're good. Can we get better? Absolutely. Right now, I think we are in really good shape. I'm confident that this team that we've had out there has worked to put a plan together that will help us get to the next level.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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That might put you in a minority

Considering there are better players available than Landry…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Landry is a recent liability on both ends, but seems to have recovered his mojo a bit on the offensive side of the court

on the defensive side – uggghhhh.

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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hayes, yes.

Landry, only if we get hayes as well.

by YoniRap on Nov 30, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I could live with Landry, I guess

but only if Przy resigns as well, and Joel plays like he did prior to 12-09

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's all just saying the right thing

I still think Roy is more likely to get amnestied than not, but they know that there will be a backlash from the fanbase so they need to go about it the right way.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

But if we dont make a decision about Roy very soon like by Dec 11

then we cant make an offer to Carl Landry for the full MLE and we will have to settle with (hopefully he will accept) a back up center like Joel for the “mini” Mid level

by GreenRiddler on Nov 30, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I still say it's a PR smokescreen

we’ll see how it plays out

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Nov 30, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

and by PR smokescreen all I mean is that I don't consider this any true indication of their intentions

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Nov 30, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Nov 30, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

if Landry really wants to play with the Trail Blazers, then he’s got to take what’s available. Not every team is going to have the green light to use their full MLE, so the number of franchises that could theoretically offer him $5 million is probably smaller than we expect. Teams under the cap are going to go after ‘bigger name’ players like Nene or West.

by Storyteller on Nov 30, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

true, but chandler could be waiting as plan B

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

and he could be a trade chip later in a possible move for Howard and/or CP3

especially since it’s likely neither one will be moved until midseason.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, New Jersey has to keep that cap space open in case it must absorb ...

Hedo Turkoglu’s contract as part of acquiring Dwight Howard. If the Nets lose that ability, then teams like the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers can offer far better proposals in terms of talent. Particularly the Clippers, which has good assets like Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman’s expiring contract, Al-Farouq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe, and the Minnesota T’wolves 2012 first-round draft pick at its disposal.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 1, 2011 4:50 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW, When will mid-season be.

Will the deadline still be the same?

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2011 6:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I recall reading something about a March trade deadline.

"Say his NAME, Portland. Gerald Wallace is...awesome." -Dave, 4/9/11

by austinpwnz on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, read that

but no way Orlando moves Dwight this soon. they’ll try to make moves of their own, give it their best for half a season (hey, they gotta sell their fans something, right?), then move him after the ASG (especially since it’s in Orlando)

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point on the All Star Game.

I wonder if that’ll be his Orlando farewell.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Superman takes his cape

and flies off to La-La land?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I won't be surprised if the Nets grab him

But they still have to re-sign him afterward.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if Tyson Chandler exits Dallas, then Brendan Haywood will have to step up his game.

If that’s the case, the Mavericks will have to bring in a low-cost veteran center to provide depth behind Haywood and Ian Mahinmi. That might mean signing Kurt Thomas, the return of Erick Dampier, or maybe both. Losing Chandler would suck for Dallas, but it would still survive. So long as Dirk Nowitzki is there, it’s all good.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Dec 1, 2011 4:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Portland is bidding against the Bucks

I suspect it will take the BAE to resign Przy

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is better under the new CBA?

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

mini MLE is better than BAE

mini is up to 3 years starting at 3 million.
BAE is still only 2 year max starting closer to 2 million

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If we tell Joel we want him, he will take the BAE.

Book it. Yes, I said “book it.” So there.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Canzano's scaring people needlessly then.

Good.

Blazers fan since '91

REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20

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by rise_stand_resist on Nov 30, 2011 4:50 PM PST reply actions  

Someone came to training camp in shape...

Well, not physically.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Nov 30, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

if the basketball thing doesnt work out

he could always be a figure model for “The Next Great Baker”

I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Butterworths

thick and rich

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

apparently on his radio show he was claiming the Blazers were not supposed to be streaming the press conference.

He’s just looking for reasons to vilify the Blazers as always. If only PAllen would bow to Canzano’s demands that he come out and give a no holds barred interview, then maybe Canzano would stop his onslaught of cleverly shaped, misinformation.

who am I kidding?

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

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by Tyler Durrden on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

So that means Canzano won’t use that clip on his show to demonstrate how “powerful” he is, right?

Right?

by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

.............

NOT!!!!

I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he accuse the team of undermining his broadcast?

By using the conference to compete with his time slot?

I can only hope that’s true! Go Blazers!

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Canzano loved Miller's presser

Imagine the rush he must have gotten when Miller singled him out by name. Dude loves that, no doubt. He adores being the one who generates controversy. Probably sent Miller a box of chocolates afterwards.

Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!

by Blzr fan on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

when Larry named John

I knew Canz had struck near the mark, again

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

my largest annoyance with the release

Is that he mentioned canzano by name. I wish the orginazition and portland for that matter would pretend he didn’t exist.

"On my front lawn, doing swish kicks in a thong" - Dr. Jim Sadler

by inpiles on Nov 30, 2011 9:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

it’s always a group call here because at the end of the day it’s Paul, it’s myself, it’s the general manager, that’s really how decisions have gotten made here. That’s how they are going to continue to get made

good to know now not to get my hopes up for actually accomplishing anything next draft.

Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.

by postup on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM PST reply actions  

this^

The injuries have been a big downer in the last 3 years, but they’re unavoidable

The Blazer’s draft record has been even more depressing, because they spend so much time and resources on the process and yet still select stiffs like Babbitt and micro SGs like Mills

Portland’s future prospects cannot be completely bright until the next version of Bucky Buckwalter is hired and allowed to make the calls in June. When this day will arrive I have no idea

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you really be upset about Mills?

For the 60th pick, or whatever he was, can you really say he was a bad pick?

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Nov 30, 2011 9:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, Wesley went undrafted after him.

That’s pretty much the origins of the “bad 60th pick” concept.

Imagine Wesley, but cheaper.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

this^

12 months later, Chad and MIke targetted Matthews

you had to know they wanted Wesley in 2009

(but Paul had to have another quick PG…ugh)

Blair was the other snafu in that draft…Claver—why?

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

as I said below, Claver was a waste

One can defend not taking Blair in the first round. There is NO defense for passing on him TWICE in the early 2nd. none. never was.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I was in meltdown mode

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

right there with you

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at it this way, that is future ammo for Chad.

Paul: Guys, I’m really high on

Chad: I really think we’d be better off with

Paul: What makes you so sure?

Chad: Just think about Wesley Matthews on Patty’s contract Paul.

Paul: Allright allright already! Fine! Sheesh.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

It was a mistake

to put “insert waterbug PG here” between html brackets on item 1.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Just think about Wesley Matthews on Patty’s contract Paul.

You’re fired

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by two4larue on Dec 1, 2011 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Think about the PR they were getting about Greg and they already knew about BRoy

Their injury list was pretty high and I believe they were scared to take another risk. 20-20 hindsight isn’t fair, I think the other 29 clubs felt the same.
OTOH losing a ACL doesn’t show up as crippling until some time later when the misalignment wears out the Mencius. Elway of the Bronco’s is a fine example of that and myself although not a professional athlete, lost my ACL in 1970 and it started showing signs of crippling in 1998. Time will tell.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2011 7:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Your sources?

I think some of us BEdge commenters may have the same aversion to facts that a particular Canzano has (particularly noticeable coming directly after a Canzano bashing above (I’m not a fan of Canzano myself but would rate him exceedingly better than J**nes (I try not to mention that name)))

by simoninaustralia on Dec 1, 2011 4:30 AM PST up reply actions  

gotta agree, and been saying it for years

2009 we wasted a low 20s pick on Claver when we could have used a player. then we double down on that folly by taking not one but two guys in the early 2nd whose ceiling is that of a 9th/10th man, leaving Blair on the board. Taking one over Blair could be explained, taking both instead of him was just plain dumb. No hindsight needed, it was just a bad move even at the time.

2010 we pick Babbit, who many experts were calling the surefire bust of the draft, then double-knee surgery Williams (though I like him myself).

2011 we pass up a guy who fills one of our most glaring holes – big who rebounds, in favor of a 4th point guard. Nothing against Smith per se, and I guess the jury is still out on that.

On top of all that, what have we got to show for our draft and stash late 1sts? A promising big and a middling wing who both seem to have no interest in coming across the pond.

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by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly don't understand all the fuss-

Sure, Blair would have been great- but we weren’t the only one to pass on him if you remember, and I think the knock on him was more than just his knees, but there were character issues too. I don’t follow the spurs too closely but from what I’ve seen he has been serviceable, but nothing special (does grab a lot of rebounds but we do have our own rebounding machines, Camby and Oden).

As for the mid-to-late-first-round-picks, the most intelligent thing I have read about these picks is that they are a gamble, perfect for players like Babbitt, Claver, Elliott Williams, Freeland, Batum, Rudy… The risk is that they may not pan out, right? In the second round Portland has looked for players who could contribute on the cheap- players like Pendergraph, Cunningham and Johnson, or continued to gamble with euro-stashes (which I think was the idea with Mills too, but he forced the teams hand by wanting to play in the nba… and now he’s playing in China…)

I know I’m a perfectionist- and would love a chance to go back and redo the entire draft and free agent history of the blazers, but no one can draft perfectly- even the beloved spurs and okc have made some pretty dud picks (some really good ones too). I find it hard without a general manager to be able to believe that we have a plan, but I think the days of KP we have been pretty consistent and logical with our draft and free agent signings, and I hope that can continue under Buchanon.

by simoninaustralia on Dec 1, 2011 4:47 AM PST up reply actions  

when are the owners and players voting? I haven't rejoiced that we have a season yet..

only because it’s not officially across the finish line.

A lifelong Sonics fan rooting for the Blazers until Seattle gets a team again.

by anitachampionship on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

Storyteller will know better, but I suspect they're planning a vote on Dec 8th.

Prior to that, all the lawsuits will be dismissed in order to set the table for the vote. I think.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I read on NBA.com that they had to finish re ratifying the union before they could vote.

I think Dec 8 was when the formal paper work would be done after the contract was ratified. Of course, I don’t really know, I just continuously read about the NBA.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2011 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Kermit Washington works for the NBAPA

and he’s been collecting signatures and ballots from the players

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

it's funny they say Oden will be ready by January, when the season starts December 25th....

they must mean “end of January” when they say January, because there’s only about 1 week of December

Good to hear though that at least it’s early in the season

by rip_city_swagger on Nov 30, 2011 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

If Oden misses any time, it will likely be due to "basketball conditioning" issues

rather than health issues. Injury is almost certainly completely healed, and rehab is no longer part of the healing process, but part of the recovery from healing process.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

my buddy saw him a month ago in Vegas

He had a bad limp. Not like how it was before cause one leg is longer. Like a wincing limp.

by tevisthe4th on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'm gonna be shocked when and if he plays at all

I’m so conditioned to him not being able to at this point

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by sammymohawk on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

same here

Last year’s season ending injury, before the man even played a single game, said it all

Expectations are so low that if Oden even suits up for a game, folks will be astonished

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by Blzr fan on Nov 30, 2011 7:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, February. But if he takes the QO, then late Feb or March.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 30, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Feb is 8 weeks away

we’re counting weeks now, not months

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends what the definition of "play" is...

do they mean cleared for full-court 5 on 5 practice, or actually playing in a NBA game?

by Sashland on Nov 30, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It sure sounded like he meant actual game time.

Seemed like an optimistic timeline to me though. He could easily redefine that meaning later.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

ya he said January

But did he state the year?

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Always Be Closing!

by Blzr fan on Nov 30, 2011 6:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

and what if they secretly mean January 2013? It's possible.. ;)

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by anitachampionship on Nov 30, 2011 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

"that's really how decisions have gotten made here"

reeeaaaaly?!
“gotten?”
Can we get some English in here please?

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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by Y5k on Nov 30, 2011 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

This sounds like a typical Larry Miller p.c. ....

a lot of talk with very little said.

I am not who I think I am.

by prajna on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM PST reply actions  

Well said^

I am not who I think I am.

by prajna on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he tried to make the story out of nothing

I do however question his use of sources that probably have no knowledge of the Blazers organizational plans. Unless that source was KP or Cho.

by JMLakaShotCaller on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want him down here!

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by T Darkstar on Nov 30, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL
If we have a healthy Greg and a healthy Brandon we’ve got a great roster.

I should hope so!

But that first word he said. Oh, that pesky word.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think there is such a thing as a healthy Brandon anymore

at least with Greg that kinda remains to be seen

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by sammymohawk on Nov 30, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

HAVE! HAVE! ... You'll "HAVE" a great roster. "Got" is the past bloody tense of "Get."

Can’t anyone speak anymore!!!????

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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by Y5k on Nov 30, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Conservative narcissist, you

English is Alive, and mutating.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Even Your Face knows that.

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
http://year5000.bandcamp.com

by Y5k on Nov 30, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

99.9% of all mutations die off without reproducing

but if one survives even a little while, it has a chance to stick around in the fossil record…

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

disgusting. Can you imagine the literature?

Bad enough Monica Lewinsky is in the official records of the United States Congress, but to have language garbled into nonsensical gunk, and that be considered acceptable, is just, well, me no like.

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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by Y5k on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

zomg

Y5k + grammar fail = NSFBE. smh

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a maniac ...

… Miller’s supposed to be a professional, business-type dude. Tarzan talk for ball bounce guys.

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
http://year5000.bandcamp.com

by Y5k on Dec 1, 2011 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Come to think of it, many bureaucrat executives can't speak.

I’m working this office temp job where people with monster salaries keep telling each other they “are doing good.”

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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by Y5k on Dec 1, 2011 3:48 AM PST up reply actions  

but they don’t mean it in the Superman sense.

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
http://year5000.bandcamp.com

by Y5k on Dec 1, 2011 3:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Rock's got no reason, rock's got no rhyme

you better get me to school on time

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I would OF said that if I could OF before you

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mark_twain_4.html#ixzz1IE4sPu16

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

have

"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
http://year5000.bandcamp.com

by Y5k on Dec 1, 2011 3:46 AM PST up reply actions  

"used to"

is what I never figured out. How does that mean that you did it in the past?

by manfredi on Dec 1, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

A surprisingly strong and straight forward press conference...

I like the way Miller handled it actually.

#7... GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Nov 30, 2011 5:34 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

I agree

a good start to the new season

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by sammymohawk on Nov 30, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

"You're standing in my sunlight, please move." —Diogenes to Alexander the Great

by pixelpusher on Dec 1, 2011 3:04 AM PST up reply actions  

But as said above, he never really said anything

Just working on all the options, is not saying a lot.

When asked about Joel, his answer was he would be a good fit.
When asked about Pendergraph his answer was he would be a good fit.

But he did say they were pursuing a post player and that is about all he could say. Nevertheless we still don’t know about BRoy, Oden, Williams and Wesley’s injuries.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Would the Blazers consider cutting Camby?

Although it wouldn’t help us in the future like cutting Roy would, would cutting Camby get us under the cap so that we could use the full MLE on someone like Landry. We would be getting younger but would still have the same amount of bigs and no center until greg gets back.

by AP_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

An interesting idea

Probably not, because (as you say) without Oden to start the season, Portland will need him to be the starting center. And because I would think that the organization would want to save the amnesty ‘chip’ for later use if they don’t use it on Roy this year.

by Storyteller on Nov 30, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

How would the stretch clause apply to an expiring contract?

Could the Blazers cut Camby before the season and spread his cap hit over five years?

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you can only extend to twice the length

Which means they could cut him, and have him on the cap for the next two seasons at half the price.

I’m not absolutely sure on that though.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

twice plus 1 year

so 3 years in the case of camby, at about a 3.8 million hit per year.

but as thin as we are up front, and the fact that he could be a valuable trade asset between now and June, make it hard for me to believe this is any kind of credible option.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

If we get a cheap back up center as in JOEL. until or if Greg gets back, we would be OK, Camby, if not injured isn’t that bad as a center. Greg, Camby and JOEL would be a great center combo. With LMA, CJ and whoever our front court is looking better.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

No

Stretch provision can only be applied to contracts signed from this point on. Existing contracts can’t be stretched if player is waived.

by Storyteller on Nov 30, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

ah, my bad.

I knew that new contracts were not able to be amnestied, but I thought stretch provision was available for old and new contracts.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Zero chance the Blazers just cut Camby then - trade or let him expire on this roster...

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there an advantage to saving a Roy amnesty

until next summer when Camby and Felton come off? or would it just be only a regular MLE to work with then as well?

by XBlazerfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Besides, isn't this the year of MCEC?

While ECs have been overrated in general, I would argue it has more value in a trade than as the one and only use of your amnesty clause.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

We would be getting younger but would still have the same amount of bigs and no center until greg gets back.

I’d rather wait for Camby to get hurt and THEN have to play without a center

(Which is why the Blazers need to acquire another big man who can defend centers, which is not Landry)

When Oden returns and gets his wind back, flipping MCEC will be primo

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller is right to laugh at the idea of waiving Roy without talking to him first

No harm comes from having the conversation. Maybe even an evaluation before making a decision.

Also, just because you don’t have cap space yet doesn’t mean you can’t talk to free agents. You can still execute the amnesty if you find a player you really want that you need the full midlevel exception for.

Those advocating for using amnesty on Roy immediately are doing so without knowing:

  • When the deadline will be for making amnesty decisions. Miller says they don’t know yet.
  • Whether or not the free agents that they are interested are interested in them as well.
  • Whether or not other less expensive (but lesser players) like Jeff and Joel might be able to fill out the front court and save the team money.
  • What the real condition of his knees are. No matter what we think we know about his knees. We really don’t know. Neither do the Blazers. He had double knee surgery in mid-January. He came back in late February. He had less than two months of adjusting post surgery before the playoffs. I’m not saying Roy will return to past glory. I am saying that no one knows what he looks like.
  • What other offers Greg is going to receive and impact that will have.

Any team bidding on Greg or Roy after amnesty will insist on knowing something about their health in an attempt to make an informed decision. Why in the world should the Blazers do any different when it comes to amnesty? Why rush to a decision when there isn’t even a deadline yet?

by grigs on Nov 30, 2011 5:58 PM PST reply actions  

BTW, this reminds me of all of the worries about Greg’s qualifying offer

There was never any advantage to extending the qualifying offer to Greg until immediately before the deadline. Only bad things could come from extending it early (e.g., he could accept it immediately before you had a chance to see if he recovered from the surgery).

The Blazers didn’t extend the offer at 11:59, but it came at nearly the last possible moment. No reason an amnesty decision should be any different.

by grigs on Nov 30, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

No harm comes from having the conversation.

“So Brandon, how do you feel about being the 6th man?”

“Nah, I was thinking I’d pick up right where we left off. You know, with me getting the ball alot on ISOs. Stuff like that”

“Thanks. That’s the answer we needed to hear”

(After Roy leaves the room, Miller/Buchanan call Landry’s agent)

“You got a deal, how soon can we see Carl up here?”

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

iS YOUR HEARING BAD

BRoy said, he has had no set backs, he is going to work on getting his starting position back, but he knew he had to earn it, and in the meantime being sixth man if it helps the team is great. (to himself—I can sit on my arse and collect big wages.)

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think immediately means "as soon as the ink is dry on the CBA."

Immediately is offered in contrast to the idea of waiting until the end of this season. I’ve heard some people say before camp starts, but even that should give us time to do evaluations.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So if Roy is kept

The only moves that can be made involving Camby would be trying to package him and fillers for a big man and hopefully saving some money also?

by AP_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:58 PM PST reply actions  

In general, yes

Portland could trade him, could let him expire (and take cap savings going into 2012-13) or could re-sign him next summer.

by Storyteller on Nov 30, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It reads differently in transcript than it actually sounded

He specifically said Brandon was part of THAT plan, referring to Plan A, which was the question.

Not that I necessarily believe him.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

I reread that, it just sounded ambiguous the first time because he immediately started talking about the health issues.

by XBlazerfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

if anything, the Roy decision precedes "plan A"

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe him completely.

Amnestying Brandon Roy can also be part of Plan A. Deciding whether or not to amnesty Brandon Roy can be part of Plan A. It was a meaningless statement, but honestly it was a meaningless question. Of course B-Roy is part of plan A, and Portland is wet.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

the idiot reporter who asked this question should have their credentials pulled:
Will original schedule remain the same?

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by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

wow

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

How does that reflect on Miller's credibility?
Portland media gets it right all the time.

Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Got to oil the hinges.

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by T Darkstar on Nov 30, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sure there was audible and derisive laughter at that

From anyone who heard him utter those words

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by Blzr fan on Nov 30, 2011 7:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Pause?

Ahh, who needs a GM anyway. Paul Allen obviously knows how to build a championship organization all by himself :\

by B_B on Nov 30, 2011 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

kind of what I was thinking

we either need a GM, or its a team decision and we’re confident in the team we have, so just give Chad the title and go from there.

I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Paul just hires Buch to make the tedious phone calls; Miller to hold the tedious press conferences; doctors to perform the tedious health assessments, and pays nothing for Koldeisms….

Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

"Plan A"

Greg, Roy….?

I dont know about you guys, but I’m very interested in what this “Plan A” is. It certainly sounded like they had specific acquisitions in mind.

I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM PST reply actions  

I have but one rec to give...

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Nov 30, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Want to know why Rich Cho was fired?

It’s always, always, no matter who is in that chair, it’s always a group call here because at the end of the day it’s Paul, it’s myself, it’s the general manager, that’s really how decisions have gotten made here. That’s how they are going to continue to get made, whether it’s Chad in that role or someone else in that role.

They didn’t explain that to Rich before he got in the chair, clearly. Or they didn’t do a good job of explaining it. Or Rich didn’t want to hear it, itching for the chance to be a GM for a billionaire. Rich was probably the GM equivalent of a Labrador on a leash on a spring day.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It certainly sounded like they had specific acquisitions in mind.

Of course they do. So do 29 other teams. Portland need to strike fast and hard. Like they did with Hedo

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

only hopefully they have a better target this time

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by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh dear...

If Larry says that they haven’t made a decision about Brandon, then that means the decision has already been made.

"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave

by DonkeyShins on Nov 30, 2011 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

Soooo....

1) Yeah, we’re kinda rudderless, and we didn’t want that, but now we kinda like it. Good decision, us!

2) We haven’t made up our mind on Roy, even though we probably have. This is the standard vote of confidence move used in every presser with a player or coach on the way out. Who are we to do something different?

3) With our new awesome new structure, we are unlikely to move quickly enough or with direction to open up the full MLE. Look forward to an enticing $3M signing, regardless of whether or not we keep Roy. It isn’t about your decision, it is about how to maximize lost opportunity prior to said decision. With our new spaghetti org chart, we can now more effectively delay every decision.

Blazer Basketball. Burnt cakes and GMs for all!

by Free Bayless on Nov 30, 2011 7:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

love it
It isn’t about your decision, it is about how to maximize lost opportunity prior to said decision

rec

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Call to Joels agent is intersting,

I would <3 to get Pryz back, but only if he is really back and not trying to play hurt again.

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM PST reply actions  

I think having Joel as a deeper bench big is great

he shouldn’t be plan A as a big – but let’s say we land someone like Landry or Hayes or Davis or McRoberts or whoever. Then adding on Joel with a vet minimum or something would be a great addition.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed, as a sentimental 5th big he's fine.

Behind LMA, Oden, Camby, and Free Agent X for the vet’s minimum, sure. But if he’s a key to the plan, there’s an issue.

by Free Bayless on Nov 30, 2011 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

And same for Pendergraph.

But Joel OR Pendergraph. There’s only 1 end of the bench (other than Nate, and that’s another story).

by Free Bayless on Nov 30, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I say both CJ and Free Agent X

Considering the fragility of PDX’s bigs the more the merrier. Plus with the condensed schedule it would be smart to give older players the occasional night off

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by Biph on Nov 30, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

If signing Przy keeps Pendy away

by all means offer Joel the BAE

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

memo to BE

Thanks for posting this and thanks for the tweets during the presser

Your efforts are greatly appreciated!

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by Blzr fan on Nov 30, 2011 7:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully Jeff is healthy and ready to play…

I guess Larry failed to send a “sneaker scout” to the Chile’s center?

The Pendy answer was a courtesy, like his answer to “Will the original schedule remain the same?”

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Would like to make a point here...

They said nice things about Jeff, but they didn’t say that they talked to his agent.

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by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

i honestly don't get why so many fans are all hot and bothered about Pendy

the guy’s ceiling, at best, when he came into the league was that of a 10th man. Who knows what it is post ACL. Sure, he’s got personality and riles the huddle up and cheers real good and people like him, but he should be an afterthought when talking about roster construction.

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by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes me wish...

That we could stash people in the D-League over the long term. A stronger, better paying D-league where guys like JP and Patty would be bona-fide starters and they wouldn’t count against our roster limit and we could call them up in a pinch. I would actually follow the Stampede at that point.

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by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I really liked Pendergraph, good that they're thinking about him

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by rise_stand_resist on Nov 30, 2011 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

I thought Ben exercised a great deal of restaint re: Larry, above^

Baby steps

(Either that, or Mr. Golliver is grateful to finally have some hard news to cover…)

you make the call

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

make Chad Buchanan the GM and get on with it.

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by Biph on Nov 30, 2011 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

Bert is still on the pot

can’t rush these decisions

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet they like Chad too much to make him GM.

It’s like being hired as Spinal Tap’s drummer or being a center and getting drafted by the Blazers.

Kiss. Of. Death.

Who would wish that on anyone?

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think my butt print is on one of the seats on the Continental flight between here and New York because I’ve flown back and forth between here and New York

So is anyone going to tell him that Continental Airlines no longer exists?

by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 30, 2011 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

Guess that explains why they insisted he take sleeping pills

Bus rides are A LOT longer than flights…

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Continental is still a separate entity under the larger corporate umbrella at the moment

Though based on my last experience with them, they’re not feeling any better than United.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeezus Timmay

you always have to ruin everything pithy with your stupid facts, like anyone cares about facts in the internet age!

:)

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I also want to add that Continental Airlines is still up and running

though certainly not as prominent as they were in the 1980’s.

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by Tyler Durrden on Nov 30, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

so thats our problem

Blazer’s management is living in the 80’s. That actually makes some sense.

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Paul didn't send Miller to NYC on Blazer 1

that’s it! Allen is selling the team fer sure

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

we sold Blazer 1 a few years back

like most all NBA teams who previously had a private plane, we’ve realized it’s just smarter and cheaper to do private charters.

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by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry Larry, my bad -

In my world, Continental no longer exists, but in reality it depends on where you fly and where they have combined. They are still separate entities for a few more months.

by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 1, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe give him a credit on this one?

The capital “C” might have been just a transcription mistake.
Maybe he could be referring to the fact that the flight was across the continent? Or even simpler a flight within the continent, therefore a continental flight as in “of or of the nature of a continent”.

by Victor Hugo on Dec 1, 2011 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

That president guy, Larry, what's his name said:

“If you look at somebody like, what’s his name in Utah, for years, he did one-year contracts every single year.” This is how you build a winning tradition; with no GM, a broken coaching staff, an unbelievable team president, and a dubious owner. Add to that the unbalanced roster and this team has some issues. I like the idea of bringing Pendergraph and Przybilla back. That could be a decent rotation at center if they have any knees left between them.

by oregonslee on Nov 30, 2011 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

yeah..... that line kind of annoyed me

I mean I know its pretty insignificant in relation to everything else that was discussed.

But “that guy” is an NBA legend.

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

and Larry Miller should for sure know the name of Utah's former owner...

cause its Larry Miller.

"She fell in love with the drummer, another and another"

by Cap'n Crash on Nov 30, 2011 11:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope for more than that.

I hope that the Jazz fans hear about it get really mad. That would juice up the preseason games nicely! I really don’t know what it is, but I enjoy it when they get mad at us.

Besides, I’m sure WESLEY MATTHEWS can remind Larry about who used to coach the Jazz. XD

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by conspirator5 on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like Greg cannot participate in training camp until his contract status is worked out

(There’s an update at the top)

That’s not the end of the world, I presume it’s still ok for him to use team facilities, even if not participating in training camp.

Larry seemed really unsure of that answer during the press conference.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 8:47 PM PST reply actions  

more incentive to sign him asap

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

on 2nd thought

they can still “observe him” (i’m assuming), and he most likely won’t be able to do much basketball stuff yet, so will that even change anything?

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Greg will be in the weight room

while his teammates are running mountains

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys have most everything covered

so here are some minor notes.

I liked the line about how many season ticket holders failed to renew -

A small percentage. (read:not many) Oh, ok – hundreds.
Heh, had to chuckle at that.

Oh and Ben, as a “shoe guy” I’m surprised you said you’d show up wih tennis shoes to get your ball on to snag a roster spot in an attempt to usurp Sean Marks as funnest Blazer to poke fun at.
They did say

Right now, the way it is set up, our practice facility is not only open to our contracted players but it’s open to any potential free agents or anybody.

Maybe I’ll show up in my M8s and join ya!

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by DMKPDX on Nov 30, 2011 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

A small percentage. (read:not many) Oh, ok – hundreds.
Heh, had to chuckle at that.

That didn’t translate well to transcription.

The original question was similar to “how many season ticket holders were lost?”, and he explained “a small percentage”, and when pressed, he explained “hundreds” and then explained it was similar number to the turnover during the previous offseason.

While he did seem to be trying to avoid answering, he specifically said “hundreds” in answer to the “hundreds or thousands” question, not something he was trying to slip in while coughing or something.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, I even messed up that transcription. I must be tired.

The question was “how many season ticket holders were lost? Hundreds or thousands?” The whole hundreds comment was specifically related to the original question, not a random statement he tried to slip it.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Got it

thanks for trying to clear that up.
Still kinda funny though. Just the down-playing spin that makes it sound like he’s blowing off hundreds of otherwise loyal Blazer fans.
I know it’s not all that, but that’s what makes stuff funny – the juxtaposition of truth and the absurd.

Tie down the furniture kids, it's time for another ride down Ulcer Gulch!

by DMKPDX on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It sounds like they have season ticket turnover in the hundreds every year.

So I hate to defend him, but it sounded like he was explaining that turnover was at a pretty normal level. I don’t think he was trying to blow off any fans. If the Blazer execs pay attention to what every single fan wants, they’ll lose the forest for the trees. But in the process, someone will always have a perception of “you don’t care about me”. I think at some point, that’s just accepted in sports.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

well, hundreds would be a small percentage

not sure how many STH seats are sold, but let’s say it’s 10,000 (pretty sure it’s more). If 500 cancelled, that’s only 5 percent. and a good bet half of those cancellations will now renew, plus the usual turnover, plus potential new STH who were waiting to see what happens before slapping money down.

Any way you slice it, it hasn’t been a big hit.

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by douglast on Nov 30, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

hundreds is certainly a small % and sounds like it might even be a part of normal turnover (however not net).
I must say though, the context and perspective offered by you guys on the topic would certainly assuage any raised eyebrows if anyone was indeed sensitive to it.

I just liked it as a sound-bite. (In its distorted little vacuum.)

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by DMKPDX on Dec 1, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

someone's gotta shag balls

for JJ Reddick

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Reddick?

am I missing something?

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

JJ made a whiney comment about practicing without coaches, yesterday

he’s not in Portland and hopefully never will be

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

oooooh

hadn’t heard that

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

try to keep up

;^)

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I try

I think with all the (post) lockout talk, Blazers speculation, Ducks, Timbers, and that little thing called life, my JJ Reddick Google News alert must’ve gotten shut off, lol.

In all honesty, I’ve loved him ever since Duke (I’m a big Blue Devil fan), and I was happy to see him finally emerge as a decent NBA player, I’m not a huge anti-whining guy, but it definitely gets annoying after a while.

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Credit Larry Miller...

I pretty much liked what he had to say, even though he was somewhat vague and non-commital on some issues. But overall? Sounded good. I still think The Blazers have made a mistake in NOT having a GM in place. If “The Group” is the GM? Then why even pretend? I don’t like the way The Blazers are handling this aspect. But…when has this franchise ever been perfect?

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Nov 30, 2011 9:49 PM PST reply actions  

for one brief, shining moment

March-March ‘77-’78

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by two4larue on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't a literal question...

…but my point is? Pretty good press conference for Larry Miller. I’ve been very critical of his statements and handling of a lot of issues and the public in the past. This may of been his best press conference of his Blazer President career.

I can accept getting a few things wrong…if I feel everyone is striving to get as much right as possible. I’m glad he called out the local media, and I’m glad The Blazers and Larry Miller came out and made the statements they did make. Silence at this point would of been deadly.

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by Krang on Nov 30, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. That was far better than the stumbling pressers after critical decisions.

Then again, they had months to develop “the plan” and how to go about it. The devil will be in the details if they can execute it and then communicate again about how it went.

by Norsktroll on Nov 30, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Larry Miller = opponents of Ducks football team

only succeed when they have months to prepare for the opposition

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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 30, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the thing that I'm learning about the Blazers under Paul Allen is that he does what he wants...

He’s not afraid to do things differently- maybe not having a GM is a good thing for the blazers because of all the ‘voices’ that do go into the decision making process of running the organisation. I liked KP, I appreciated what Rich Cho brought to the organisation, but I’m willing to go with Buchanan as an acting GM type guy.

I’m somehow reminded of Paul Allen’s own story of debating the number of mouse buttons with Steve Jobs. And Allen was right (two is better than one)… Maybe it’s my personality too, but I think that I am learning to have a bit more of an open mind in my thinking about how the blazers are run by Paul Allen…

by simoninaustralia on Dec 1, 2011 5:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I will NOT be sorry when Miller leaves for another job...

or just plain leaves. Somehow, he’s come to represent to me that worst things about Blazer management. He doesn’t seem to say anything though he talks. It like someone says to him “Just go out there and say something, but not too much. Smile a lot and look pleasant enough. Blazer fans will just be glad someone is talking to them. They and the media aren’t too smart, and besides, there’s no other major sports club in this town and they can’t afford to give you too hard of a time.”

I still don’t know what Miller’s job is at team President-other than to make useless comments. I thought of him actually making any decisions that effect the team’s performance really scares me….

by kuhnsmith on Dec 1, 2011 5:20 AM PST reply actions  

We canceled our tickets about two weeks ago. I was surprised it was still possible. Interesting that not many people did (apparently).

It wasn’t the lockout itself so much as the lockout making us realize we weren’t as interested as we used to be. Still plan to watch on tv and follow the season, but relieved to not be as committed as before.

by Section323 on Dec 1, 2011 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

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