The Trail Blazers And The New Luxury Tax Rules
A few days ago, Howard Beck of the NY Times and Sam Amick of SI.com each reported that the details for a new luxury tax system have been agreed to by the NBA and the Players' Union. The new system has rightly been called more 'punitive' than the previous system, as the tax rate increases the further that a team is above the tax threshold. Under the previous Collective Bargaining Agreement, teams were taxed $1 for every dollar that their Team Salary total was above that threshold. However, this new system reportedly creates 'tiers' of taxation. Teams will now be taxed $1.50 for each of the first $5 million that they are over the threshold, $1.75 for each of the next $5 million, $2.50 for each of the next $5 million and $3.25 for every dollar that their Team Salary is more than $15 million over the threshold.
The previous tax system had a significant impact on the Trail Blazers and this new system could impact them even more. I'll try to break it down after the jump....
Looking Back
Under the previous Collective Bargaining Agreement, two numbers were provided to each team every July, based on projected revenue for the league. The first number was the salary cap figure. Franchises whose Team Salary figure was above this number could only make personnel transactions (free agent signings and trades) by using one of the numerous exceptions to the salary cap. The second number was the tax threshold. Franchises whose Team Salary figure was above this number on the last day of the regular season were subject to the luxury tax.
For example, during the 2011-12 season, the salary cap was $58.044 million and the tax threshold was set at $70.307 million. According to Larry Coon's excellent FAQ on the CBA, the 7 teams over the threshold paid just over $72.7 million in tax for the 2010-11 season. The amounts that each paid in tax is listed in the chart below.
Also included in the chart are the amounts that the teams would have paid last season under the systems proposed by the NBA and by the Players' Union last month. The final column shows what each team would have paid under the rules that have now been agreed upon by both sides (click to enlarge).
As you can see, if these new rules had been part of the previous CBA, the amount of total tax paid would have more than doubled to $152.3 million. The higher paying teams would have been the hardest hit, however, and the Trail Blazers would only have paid slightly more in tax ($3.5 million vs. $2.3 million).
The Trail Blazers in 2011-12
Looking forward, this new tax system could potentially have a huge impact on the financial position of the Trail Blazers. Consider first the news that the salary cap for 2011-12 is expected to be set at the same $58 million level that it was at last season. Larry Coon also reported in a recent chat that "The best info I have right now is that the cap will be frozen at $58 million and the luxury tax threshold will be frozen at $70 million for two years." If this is true, we can start to make some concrete analysis about where Portland stands going into the (hopefully) upcoming season and even into 2012-13. With this information in hand, educated guesses about what the team could/should do in regards to personnel, making free agent signings and even making trades.
First of all, let's consider where the franchise stands today. Here, to the best of my knowledge, are the current financial obligations held by the team (click to enlarge):
A note about Nolan Smith's number - in actuality, he is not currently under contract. However, for purposes of simplicity, I am assuming that he will sign for the maximum amount allowable under the previous CBA, which is 120% of the rookie scale amount that was set in the previous CBA. Of course, if the amount he actually signs for differs from this amount, the figures below will be revised by the difference. But rather than add yet another variable below, I decided to add Smith into Portland's 'current obligations', knowing that even if this number turns out to be off, the difference won't significantly impact either the numbers below or any decisions that the franchise has to make.
It's important to note that, right now, the team's current obligations puts them above the expected tax threshold of $70.3 million. That not only puts them on track to pay tax at the end of the season, but it also could limit their choices regarding personnel decisions in the months ahead. If, as reported as being possible, the next CBA limits use of certain exceptions such as the MLE to teams under the tax threshold, Portland might not be in a position to use these exceptions to finalize their roster.
Other major decisions that seem to be looming for the Trail Blazers include:
- Should Brandon Roy be waived under an amnesty provision that would remove his full salary from Portland's Team Salary figure?
- Should the team re-sign Greg Oden? And should they try to sign him to a contract other than the one year qualifying offer that has already been tendered?
- Should the team re-sign Patty Mills? And should they try to sign him to a contract other than the (non-guaranteed) one year qualifying offer that they have made to him?
I've tried to outline the financial implications of some of these choices below. Each scenario listed includes the tax payment that the team could face under the new tax rules if they pursue that course of action. Note that I haven't listed every possible scenario, as that list would be many, many pages long. However, I've tried to present a number of likely scenarios, including potentially signing Oden to a contract other than the Qualifying Offer (set at $11 million just because I had to choose a number) and potentially using the full MLE (which will reportedly be set at $5 million). You can click on the image to enlarge it for easier reading:
The last option speaks volumes - if the Trail Blazers choose to keep Roy on the team and re-signed Greg Oden for a contract paying him $11 million in 2010-11 and used the entire $5 million MLE, they would be looking at paying nearly $40 million in luxury tax at the end of the year. A very hefty cost indeed.
The Trail Blazers in 2012-13
Trying to project a similar list of scenarios for Portland in 2012-13 is even trickier, even with the knowledge that the salary cap and tax threshold are likely to remain at $58 million and $70 million, respectively. Not only are there a new set of personnel decisions that the franchise will face, but any decisions that Portland makes this year could, of course, have implications in future seasons. However, I enjoy a challenge.....
Again, let's begin by looking at the current financial obligations for 2012-13 (with Nolan Smith's salary set under the terms listed above):
Note that this list not only assumes that Roy doesn't become a casualty of any amnesty program in 2011-12 and that Gerald Wallace exercises his player option for 2012-13, it doesn't include any 2012 1st round draft picks that the team might have rights to. This might add $1 million to the total, it might add $2 million or even more. But rather than spending too much time on trying to speculate on what financial cost such picks might bring, let's move forward with the understanding that any scenarios listed below will be impacted by the possible presence of draft picks. That being said, I believe we can begin to make some educated guesses as to what the potential financial implications would be as the franchise faces a new set of personnel decisions in 2012-13, including
- If Greg Oden signs the Qualifying Offer for 2011-12, should the franchise then try to re-sign him as an unrestricted free agent?
- Should Portland try to re-sign Raymond Felton, who will be an unrestricted free agent?
- Should the Trail Blazers try to either extend Nicolas Batum's contract or re-sign him as a restricted free agent?
- If an amnesty program allows Portland to waive Brandon Roy in 2012-13, should they do so then if they decided not to do so during the 2011-12 season?
Again, any list of possible scenarios that is not several pages long is bound to be incomplete. However, I've tried to provide some of the possibilities, using some assumed contract numbers (such as $6 million for Batum and $7 million for Felton), in an attempt to see what tax implications Portland might face if they make certain decisions. For the sake of simplicity (and brevity), I've made a number of assumptions to shorten the list of possible scenarios. Included in these assumptions? That Marcus Camby is neither re-signed by the team after his contract expires nor traded for a non-expiring contract in 2011-12. That players such as Patty Mills, Armon Johnson, Chris Johnson and Earl Barron are allowed to become free agents after the upcoming season. Etc., etc. Trying to account for every possible scenario would leave us all confused and bored, so I've decided to limit myself to the major ones I've listed below. You can again click on the list to enlarge it:
Again, looking at last scenario, if Portland decided to retain Roy + re-sign Oden, Batum and Felton + make one $5 million free agent signing using the MLE, they would be looking at a tax bill exceeding $17 million. This with only a roster of 11 players, so further signings (even minimum contract players) would only serve to increase this amount.
The Lowdown
Discussing Portland and the luxury tax in the same sentence is nothing new. But having a tax system that is more punitive than in years past raises the stakes. Over the next two years, at least, the decisions we will see the team make with regards to personnel will help us understand the financial philosophy that the organization has:
- Is Paul Allen once again willing to pay a hefty tax bill in the name of 'team competitiveness'? And if so, how deep will his pockets extend?
- Or is the organization determined to, as much as possible, stay near or below the tax threshold in the name of 'fiscal responsibility'? And if so, is this a goal for 2011-12 or just for future seasons?
We've seen this coming for years. We all knew that rookie scale contracts for important Blazer players would eventually come to an end and that extending them might be more costly. We knew that trading the expiring contracts of Przybilla and Cunningham for Wallace would impact the Team Salary figure for several years. We knew that trading for Felton would leave a big choice when his current contract expires. We knew that, once again, the theory that 'money is no object for Paul Allen if the team is winning' would be tested.
What we don't know is this - now that the stakes of being above the tax threshold will be much higher, what choices will Portland make in regards to personnel in the next two years? That will only be known - and evaluated - as time passes. Purely as a fan, I would hope that the team would be willing to do whatever they could to win, even if it means staying above the threshold. But we'll see....
Feel free to share your thoughts and opinions - or even bravely make predictions about what you think the team will do.
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Very nice work Storyteller! Bravo!
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 6:31 PM PDT reply actions
I believe the luxury tax cap has always been figured on the end of season team salary.
Correct me if that is wrong, please.
So if the amnesty provision is multi-year as we have heard, I wonder if that gives the Blazers the option of playing the season (such that it may be) with Oden re-signed and Roy, and THEN deciding in the final week of the season (or would it be prior to the end of the playoffs) that they wanted to amnesty Roy and save the big luxury tax consequences for this season? (I’m always thinking of weird scenarios …)
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
"luxury tax threshold"
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Tax is based on Team Salary on last day of the regular season
with adjustments made for incentives that might be earned after that point.
So it looks like my scenario is doable. They could cut Roy on the last day of the season
and avoid the tax on his salary. This seems like a real interesting possibility. For instance, Roy could start the season and if it turns out that he can’t play consistently, the Blazers could pull the plug right at the end of the season and save the tax money. On the other hand, if Roy has played well and is holding up all year and you want him back the following year, then you take him to the playoffs and pay the tax.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
If they can use it anytime, then I think you've laid out a very realistic scenario.
I wonder if there will be a limitation written in, such as using it by the day contracts become guaranteed, or by the trading deadline.
Your comment made me wonder about a trading deadline in a short season.
I had to look it up, but the trading deadline in 1999 was set at March 11. The season started on Feb 5.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
"They could cut Roy on the last day of the season and avoid the tax on his salary."
Well, if Brandon Roy was amnestied the last day of the season, the team should still have to pay luxury tax on 169th/170th — or whatever the fraction would be for a shortened campaign — of his guaranteed salary for that season.
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I'm assuming there would still be a point in this season (if there is one)
where all contracts become fully guaranteed. Replacing the Jan 10th date of a normal season. After that date, I believe the full amount of his contract for this season would become guaranteed, regardless of when he was waived.
Disregard this
I got distracted and didn’t think carefully.
The Jan. 10th date (or whenever) wouldn’t apply in Roy’s case….
As AK points out
if he’s waived under amnesty during the season, the portion of his salary that he’s earned up until that point would count in the luxury tax calculation. What doesn’t count against the cap is “the amount of guaranteed salary remaining”.
So if the Blazers need, hypothetically, half of his salary cut to get below a certain level, they’d have to cut him halfway through the season.
Why is that? If a player is traded then none of his salary counts under the current CBA.
Larry Coon #16
When determining the amount of tax a team owes, the league uses its team salary (see question number 14) on the date of their last regular season game (i.e., if a player is traded away before the end of the season, then none of his salary is taxed),
Seems like that principle would apply to amnesty unless they made some special rule.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading players and waiving them are treated differently under definition of Team Salary
Article VII, Section 4 (a) (1) (i), in regards to what is covered in Team Salary:
Salaries paid or to be paid to players whose Player Contracts have been terminated pursuant to the NBA’s waiver procedure (without regard to any revised payment schedule that might be provided for in the terminated Player Contracts).
At that point, all future salary to Roy would be negated, but not salary ‘earned’ up through that point of the season.
So I see. Thanks for providing the CBA reference.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This doesn't make much sense though.....
Yes, waiving and traded players are very different. Waiving a player leaves them on the salary cap (like Ryan Gomes currently), whereas a traded player is completely removed from the books and moved to the new team’s cap.
However, though the new proposed amnesty is different from both, I think it is more akin to the trade than to the waive. The idea with this new amnesty would be that, though the player is completely paid for the contract, it is in no way reflected on the team’s CAP number. If the player amnestied (lets say BRoy in this instance), he would therefore not be on the team’s CAP, and therefore should not count for the luxury tax. Seems like commentary on it has said that they would neither count against the cap nor the tax.
So, the question is this, is the luxury tax figured based on the salary cap (I would imagine it is), or is it based on a different figure (say total team PAID salary for the year). The latter seems like an unnecessary complication, but who knows. If it is indeed based on the actual CAP number, unless the rules governing the amnesty say otherwise, I’d think that the last day of the season (or last day before the salary is guarenteed date) amnestying of Roy could just work.
The amount taxed is based on Team Salary
which was defined in Article VII, Section 4 of the previous CBA. It includes (as I mentioned above) salary paid to players who had been waived.
If Roy were released under the terms of an amnesty program, he would have to be waived. Yes, it would be different from ‘normal’ waivers in that any future guaranteed salary would come off the books. But it wouldn’t affect any salary he had already earned to that point.
The CBA said this about the previous amnesty program:
The Salary of one (1) player who was signed or acquired by a Team prior to June 21, 2005, and whose Contract is terminated by such Team in accordance with the NBA waiver procedure following a request for waivers made by such Team on or before August 15, 2005
In other words, to be eligible for the amnesty program, the team had to waive the player.
If you want to read the rules about the luxury tax in the previous CBA, you can do so here. The specifics are located in Article VII, Section 12 (f), with the amnesty details listed in subsection (4)
Maybe think of it this way
Earl Barron currently has a contract with the Blazers. It’s non-guaranteed, however. So let’s say that 10 days into the season the Blazers waived him. He would still be paid for those 10 days (pro-rated salary) and those 10 days worth of payments would count against the cap, right? But the other 160 days worth of salary disappear.
The proposed amnesty program works in a similar fashion. It makes any future guaranteed salary become non-guaranteed, so when you waive that player, the non-guaranteed portion (anything in the future) no longer counts against the cap. But any money that he’s been paid in the past continues to count against the cap.
"I think it is more akin to the trade than to the waive."
No, it’s more akin to an outright release.
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In that case, Brandon Roy's salary should be pro-rated for the length of time he was on the roster ...
that season. Usually, the NBA season is divided by 1/170th for each day of; thus, if Roy was waived near the end of the season, a majority of his salary would still count toward the team’s payroll and be applied to the luxury tax.
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My eyes are a little glazed over, but this is a great post.
Thanks for spelling out the numbers and the options. My eyes opened wide when I saw the tax involved in Oden+Roy+MLE.
The Blazers have already offered the QO to Patty Mills. Can they revoke that offer now? Or is that decision now out of their hands? I think the most they’d want with Patty is a QO. No further contract talks until there’s a sign he’s a useful long-term contributor.
I’m firmly in the “Make a long-term offer to Greg at a reasonable value, and match offers unless it’s just insane” camp. However, unless PA is willing to go crazy to pay a team that (let’s be honest) is not really likely to contend for the Finals, this looks a lot like “Who do we keep, Greg or Brandon?” The answer is seemingly “Greg” over the long term based on Brandon’s knees.
This all depends on the Amnesty clause. I guess I’m wondering if PA is willing to pay a monster bill this coming season, in order to judge Brandon on the court before deciding his fate.
I’d hate to be the guy making these decisions. But hey, the Blazers don’t have anyone making these decisions right now.
No real need to revoke the QO to Patty Mills
simply because it’s fully non-guaranteed. So if Mills signs the QO, the Blazers can waive him at any point before the first game of the season and owe him nothing.
That’s assuming, of course, they decide they don’t want/need him on the team….
Good to know, thanks for the clarification. So it doesn't hurt them at all to offer Patty the QO.
If they keep Roy and re-sign Greg long-term (at, say, 8 or 9 million per), they’d have to really want the player available at the MLE. If Greg takes the QO, they’d have to find an irresistable MLE target to make it worth the price.
It was my understanding at the time
They offered Patty a QO to give him a chance to compete in pre-season because of his performance of last year, they did not have the intention of matching any other offers
I think if Greg is healthy with or without BRoy we are contenders, If in fact BRoy can contribute consistently off the bench or as a starter even with reduced time would be a value to the Blazers competing. It is again a choice between finances and competing.
I don’t see how we can keep our young players after they get to the next level without going over the salary cap, It seems to me if you don’t pay the taxes you don’t win.
hg
by BBK on Nov 3, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It pretty much boils down to Oden or Roy
It has been rumored by some NBA insiders that Paul Allen is committed to making the Blazers viable financially. I believe that the Luxury Tax is the NBA’s form of revenue sharing, and if so I would expect the Blazers to follow a course that makes them payees rather than payers with regards to revenue sharing.
Clearly, the choice at hand is do we ride it out with Roy, or Roll the dice with Oden. The draft has been pretty much barren for us the past couple years, so it’s not likely we’re going to see the lineup fleshed out with recent draftees. In my opinion the Blazers will make every effort to get under the cap, bring in a veteran or two via free agency or trade and decide on taking a chance on Oden once more. The risk is less than with Roy. If it doesn’t pan out for us, theres still a chance of moving him to a team that can use him as a reserve, a luxury option off the end of the bench, or a team flat out desperate for size. On the other hand if Roy doesn’t work out, and he’s truly worn out, he’s no good to any team at any price.
Anyone disagree?
by jtkerr79 on Nov 3, 2011 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd also go with Oden
Roy working out means a slight bounce back to solid starter for a few years. Pretty much what we already have in Wesley Matthews.
Oden working out means 4 or 5 healthy seasons, a finisher and defensive presence at center. We don’t have that at all.
I don't disagree
But, If Brandon and Greg both would have stayed healthy, along with LMA, would you have to make a choice to give one up in order not to pay taxes?
Storyteller:
Is the a grace period to reduce salary before paying the higher % or is it from day one of the new CBA?
hg
by BBK on Nov 3, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Tax is calculated based on the Team Salary figure on the last day of the regular season
I guess you could call that a ‘grace period’ of sorts since the team has the entire season to make moves that could adjust the Team Salary figure downward enough to get below the tax threshold.
My preference:
Waive Roy, Add Oden ($11m), Use MLE on a decent big, Waive Barron.
Dropping Barron saves you an additional $1.2 or so on the tax. The MLE renders Barron completely moot.
One Q for storyteller: Are cap holds for current unsigned draftees also included for these purposes?
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
That just hit me too. I thought Joel Freeland and Victor Claver was included on the cap.
But I have mixed that up before.
No cap holds included
However, cap holds for unsigned draftees only count against the cap during the offseason.
Also, FYI, using the MLE when over the threshold, although i included it as a possible scenario, might actually not be allowed in the new CBA.
It might depend on whether the order counts?
If you Waive Roy, does that create an opportunity to use the MLE before you re-sign Oden?
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
Probably not
since his cap hold as a free agent with Bird rights (before he signs) is $13.6 million. To get below the threshold, you’d have to waive Roy and renounce Oden, but then you couldn’t re-sign Oden without using the MLE, which defeats the whole purpose of renouncing him….
I'm convinced the players would lose a season before losing the MLE for teams over the cap.
Seems like something they don’t want to surrender.
I think he means over the tax threshold, not the cap.
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
Right
what is up for discussion is whether teams over the threshold can use the MLE. The MLE, by definition, can only be used by a team over the cap.
Ack my bad.
Still not sure the players would give it up. The teams in the lux tax are the ones most willing to spend.
they surely don't want to give it up
but it’s hard to see them going to the mats and risking the whole season on this issue alone. there’s generally about 5-7 tax paying teams per year, so there would still be plenty of MLE deals available. also, there was some lack of clarity in the reports, with some simply saying the owners want to remove the MLE for any team over the tax, and other reports implying that the penalty was for teams who are repeatedly over the tax. so maybe the deal is if it’s your first year over the tax, fine. if it’s teh 2nd in a row, not fine. who knows.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
That is the most reasonable scenario.
As i have said in the past, Brandon Roy won’t be a Blazer past last season due to luxury tax implications and this pretty much seals it. All ideas of waiting until next season to amnesty him goes out the window as well.
The cake was a lie.
Not if PA pockets are still deep.
What if BRoy can preform?
hg
by BBK on Nov 3, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In the 2011/12 numbers the difference between adding Oden ($11M) and doing same with MLE is $6.2M
in team salary when it should be $5M? No big deal.
But it appears that the cost of adding that MLE FA if we retain both Roy and Oden ($11M) is roughly about $20M for the 2011/12 season (could be less in later seasons). I’d say that MLE guy would have to arrive carrying a box of championship rings with him for that scenario to occur. i.e. it would have to be equivalent to a Paul Gasol magnitude acquisition.
I’d say that unless Roy is amnestied there will be no MLE free agent.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2011 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
That line was originally going to be adding Oden, MLE and Mills – but then I realized that would give them 16 players, so I cut Mills off of the description without cutting his salary. Thanks for the catch. It’s corrected now.
There was communications of reducing the roster to 12 players.
Is there any more discussion on that and if so how would that effect the threshold. with three less players?
hg
by BBK on Nov 3, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Right now, the roster minimum is at 13 -- with an exception to drop down to 12 for a two-week ...
period — and the roster maximum is 15, except when a team applies for a roster exception because of injuries.
If I was negotiating on behalf of the owners, I’d want to drop the roster minimum to 12 for any length of time and drop the roster maximum down to 14 — while still allowing exceptions for teams dealing with multiple injuries — since that’d effectively cut 30 job openings across the league.
While the bottom-feeders would be against any job cutting, upper tier and mid-level players ought to approve. That’s ‘cause it’d slim down the pool of players who are fighting for a set amount of money available per season. Instead of approximately 450 guys seeking a select percentage of the BRI, it’d be 420.
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And 420 is the perfect number for NBA players. ;-)
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by Troll Blazer on Nov 4, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very nice analysis
You have made a very good breakdown of the reasonable alternatives.
The question becomes what is the Blazers biggest roster need? Bigs is obvious the need, a much greater need than the guard position. I am assuming Oden’s best RFA offer is matched and the MLE is used on a big such as Carl Landry to back up LMA.
Here is what happens if both Oden and BRoy are on the roster and using the MLE. The luxury tax will be about $39 million, more or less, after the Blazers match other team’s offers for Oden. When you add the additional luxury tax BRoy’s salary creates, which would be about $34 million ($39-$5) to BRoy’s salary of $15 million. That means each game BRoy is on the roster, whether he plays or not, will cost the Blazers about $600,000. Hard to see how the Blazers keep BRoy at that cost and become financially profitable.
If BRoy is waved, picking up a veteran guard such as Jamal Crawford comes into play, if he would sign for the MLE, which may not be his best FA offer.
The luxury tax will...

A lot. Let’s hope PA is not on the fast track to becoming a Highlander fan: There can be only one.
by Norsktroll on Nov 4, 2011 12:10 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Well Played good sir
Well Played indeed!
I'll try anything twice!
by carlitosbonitos on Nov 4, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
So if I am looking at this right
If all the Blazers do is give Oden the qualifying offer and keep Roy they will owe another ~$15.0MM in tax ($18.4-$3.5 in current proposal). Ouch! Doesn’t that seal the deal for Brandon? Unless Paul Allen is willing to spend like crazy which is counter to what the owners are trying to prevent in the current labor negotiations, I don’t see much hope here for Brandon on the team next year.
#52
Drop Canby!
I can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone discussing more about the need to trade Canby! Can’t we first trade Canby, look for a PF/C like Nene to spot both Greg and LA (start the season as center until Greg is fully back), and then amnesty Roy right before we pull the trigger on the free agent signing? I havent done the math, but I’m guessing that Canby and Roy off the books puts us under the salary cap and therefore able to sign a guy like Nene for big money. THEN we use the MLE for a 2 to replace Roy…. Thoughts?
by Love_me_some_blazers on Nov 4, 2011 7:31 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
But Canby is such a quaint little town.
How about dropping Gresham or Scappoose?
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by Troll Blazer on Nov 4, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But in order for that plan to work
you’d have to find a team with $11.3 million or more in cap space that’s willing to take on Camby’s contract and give just a draft pick back in return. I’m not sure that team exists.
I haven't done the Math
but it seems to me like if you subtract 17 million from the cap then add 17 million for Nène, add MLE, add Greg, extend Batum, then you are right back where you started from, except you still have to pay BRoy his money, it just doesn’t come off the cap.
hg
by BBK on Nov 4, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
What about the drop in players salaries to accomodate the 50/50 BRI split?
or whatever it ends up. All players salaries would then theoretically be reduced by a percentage making all this analysis exagerated (no offense, Storyteller). If players are giving up 14% of their salary (57→50% BRI) with the cap keeping the same then the Tax won’t be nearly as bad for any team.
The owners originally asked for rollbacks of current contracts
like you’re talking about. However, the players bristled so strongly that they took it off the table. It is now widely believed that there will be no rollbacks in the next CBA. So if Gerald Wallace is on the books for $9.5 million now, he’ll still be at $9.5 million under the next CBA.
Yes, overall, the sum of all player salaries will be lower. But not because of rollbacks.
And no offense taken.
Nice Sarcasm
My point was that if we are able to lower our salary below the salary cap, then I was under the impression that we could sign a player that extends us above the cap (because otherwise it can only be the MLE), and then once we are over, to use the MLE… In this way, we’d shed two lower quality contracts and clear way for another quality big man and a nice SG compliment to Matthews using the MLE. Please tell me if I misunderstand the cap rules. And props about the Canby/Camby crack… My fault… And btw, there are teams that would take him. The kings for example have cap space, and need a big. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a vet like Camby for a year and then shed the cap hit…
by Love_me_some_blazers on Nov 5, 2011 1:16 AM PDT via mobile reply actions

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