Amick: Tentative NBA Labor Agreement PDF
Here's a PDF of the full labor deal tentatively agreed to by the NBA and its players on Saturday obtained by Sam Amick of SI.com.
Highlights of the agreement are presented below.
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So there will be one Designated Player per franchise
but it has to be an extension off of a Rookie Scale deal.
too late for the DP re: Oden, I presume
the only current Blazer that fits the bill is Batum, which is an indictment of Portland’s drafts for the past 3 years
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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Designated Player? As in DP's salary doesnt count against the cap?
sounds like a HUGE incentive to draft well
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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 26, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately no
It only means that the player can be paid more than they normally would be able to (%30 if cap instead of 25% of cap). The player also has to have be on two all-nba teams or started two all-star games to be eligible. It’s incentive for great players to stay with their team and leverage for that team to get them to sign for 5 years.
Westbrook yes, if he makes another All-NBA team
Love no, unless he wins MVP. He wasn’t voted in as an All-Star starter or given an All-NBA nod so his only path to a bigger deal is an unlikely one.
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This sounds very unfair
to teams like the Blazers who’s players get ignored when it comes to allstar consideration:
The player also has to have be on two all-nba teams or started two all-star games to be eligible.It favors teams in bigger markets with more fan voting and media favorites that influence coaches decisions (ie Kevin Love vs Aldridge) or in the case of commissioner injury selection who we all know wants a superstar driven game. It seems like this is the opposite direction they should go if they are truly looking for league parity.
That's still pretty rare for players on the rookie scale
Even for big cities. If this was a huge advantage for large cities, David Lee or Andrew Bynum would have qualified, but neither did. You still need to be a near-superstar, even in a larger city, to have two all-NBA team appearances or start two All-Star games.
For any player near star level, they could accomplish one of those two from anywhere. For example, in Portland, Brandon Roy would have qualified, since he was All-NBA in his second and third seasons. So it’s not like a Blazer would never qualify. It would just need to be a near-superstar level Blazer, which is kind of the point of the rule.
While there is a minor advantage for large market teams, it’s not enough for me to get worked up about.
Thanks
for the clarification. It just struck me as a tinted rule.
Maybe the LeBron James rule?
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
Although that 5% difference probably would not have helped Dan Gilbert.
When did this rule start? Was it a reaction to something in the previous nba structure?
Sounds like it starts now.
And yeah, this would indeed be a LBJ rule. He’s a classic case: As a rookie, he’s already bringing big money into the NBA, so they’d like to give him a little extra.
Same for Derrick Rose, and in Portland, Brandon Roy. As rookies, they brought fans into the arena, and are elite players based on All-Star and year-end voting. So they get rewarded.
The “All-Star Starter” part of the rule certainly is an advantage to players in large cities, but really, if both Brandon Roy and LBJ, each from a city with a metro population around 2.25M, would qualify, then players from any size city could do it.
The only player in the NBA currently eligible for that deal is Derrick Rose. It thus shall be named the "Derrick Rose Rule".
Westbrook and Love if they have a fantastic 2012 season could be too.
Again, I don't see how Love can qualify
Without an MVP season. Am I missing anything?
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Yeah
You need two All-NBA selections, two All-Star starting selections or an MVP award during your rookie contract.
Derrick Rose deserves to have his name on this rule WAY more than Love.
Westbrook is good also but Rose was in the league first right?
A Mid-Level for teams with cap space would have been nice.
Though is a small one at 2.5M and two years. Better than nothing though.
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By definition, teams with cap space do not need exceptions
Unless the deal puts them over the cap – then I believe they still get the full exception….
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Going under the cap meant you lost all exceptions.
When we signed Miller 2 years ago, we got no MLE or BAE. This new rule leaves a half MLE option for undercap teams.
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Once they go over the cap, that is.
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Trades going at 150% instead of 125%
up to a difference of $5M.
BYC eliminated except in sign and trades.
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Luxury Tax teams still have to trade at 125% +0.1M
So trading with a team over tax could be interesting. Though if the trade brings them below the tax threshold, they count as a below tax team.
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$5 million in a trade is a pretty big difference. That would allow a lot of trade machine fantasies to go through.
B.S. will be happy about that rule.
BYC never made sense to me
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by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 26, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Did the Players lose another 1% of BRI? It looks like it.
Under the previous offer (11/10/11) item 15 Player Benefits simply read:
New benefits pool to be funded with 1% of BRI for post-career player annuity and welfare benefits.
But under this new agreement it now says:
New benefits pool to be funded with 1% of BRI for post-career player annuity and welfare benefits. This 1% of BRI benefits pool is included in (and is not in addition to) the players’ 50% share of BRI (and is also included in the players’ 51.15% share of BRI in year 1).
It looks like in the previous offer the NBA was funding the Players Benefit Pool with 1% of BRI, but in this agreement the 1% of BRI is included in the players 50% share (i.e. it is funded from their share).
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 10:37 PM PST reply actions
At least the players limited how much money is pulled from their paychecks (i.e., 10%) and put into an ...
escrow account per year. To them, that’s a win. A much-deserved one, too.
"I Am Mine"
Yeah, but if the 10% doesn't cover it then they take the rest out of this Players Benefit Pool.
So the players still lose it eventually.
But I’m still scratching my head about whether or not the players actually lost another 1% of BRI from the previous NBA offer (that they rejected). It certainly looks that way since now the 1% for the benefit pool comes out of their 50% share (or 51.15% share this year). Did it before and it just wasn’t written down in the offer (that would seem unlikely)?
It seems like this can’t be right or there would be a lot more written about the players giving up another 1% somewhere. But the words in the new agreement sure seem clear enough "and is not in addition to the players 50% share of BRI, and is also included in the players 51.15% ,,,).
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 27, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
A few other things that stood out:
- It’s now really really painful to be over the tax threshold (or will be a couple years from now when the new rules kick in)
- sign and trade contracts are now limited to the same as a regular free agent signing (4 years with 4.5% pay increases), so the only way for a player to get the best deal (5 years with 7.5% pay increases) is to stay with their current team, and a sign and trade can’t put the receiving team more than $4M over the tax threshold… like to see the encouragement for players to stay with their team
- players waived after a trade can’t be re-signed by their original team for one year (or 1 July if their contract expired that year)… glad to see that loophole closed
- post-rookie contract qualifying offers are now tied to games started and minutes played during the last two years of the contract… which is less of a deal than it seems given that the last two years were team option anyway
- Maximum cash paid or received in trades by any one team is $3M for the entire year! (RIP SPAM)
"- Maximum cash paid or received in trades by any one team is $3M for the entire year! (RIP SPAM)"
That should hurt Portland a lot.
"I Am Mine"
especially on draft day
you better sure you like a kid in the draft before spending 3mil to move up
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There seems to be nothing about the d-league in that outline
Sounded like potentially a stumbling block if teams were allowed to send down a player and massively cut back his salary for more years than now. We’ll have to see what is in the real CBA.
The new benefits fund for retired players is still in there. That's 1% more in BRI going out of the pockets of the players.
Which is kind of surprising. I thought that would come out of the owners’ half.
That's the point I made above and seems to be an additional 1% reduction in the players share
from the previous NBA offer they rejected. That offer did not say it came from the players and therefore appeared to come from owners. But if that were true I would expect to be hearing loud noises about the players giving up another 1% of BRI and no one is mentioning it.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 27, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if a lawyer could interpret that amnesty rule so that 1 player currently under contract could be waived prior to EACH season
The language in that paragraph seems not crystal clear to me.
The "any" in there indicates that it can only be used in one year.
Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA (only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.
In any event, this is just a summary, not the final language of the actual agreement.
so,
Will we be able to pocket that amnesty clause for a year to see how Roy comes back or do we have to use it right away.
by King Mar on Nov 27, 2011 7:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
never mind
I found the answer to my question. Can we really cut a player each season as long as they were signed prior to CBA? Man, that just doesn’t seem right. Anyhow I can’t really see anybody other than Roy that the Blazers may want to cut.
by King Mar on Nov 27, 2011 8:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No. Only once. It says "any
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 27, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
No. Only once. It says "any season" not "each season"
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 27, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Since the Blazers are on the
thresh-hold of paying the luxury tax given current commitments, signing Oden will put them over by the size of this contract, which is likely to be close to $9 million. Since the existing CBA will apply for the coming year, it will cost Allen $18 million to sign Oden, whereas if he amnesties Roy now, it will cost him $9 million. So the issue for Roy is whether or not you have any incentive to pay an extra $9 million to keep him on the roster – particularly knowing that you will amnesty him anyhow. My view is do it now and use the minutes he’d take to develop the players you have.
Yeah, do it now.
If this was 127 Hours, then the Trail Blazers are Aron Ralston and Brandon Roy is his trapped arm.
"I Am Mine"
by AK1984 on Nov 27, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Have to agree
Opening up the roster at the guard position and freeing up money is obviously a good move for the team. I think Paul has been planning this for a while now.
by Kevlar Rocket on Nov 27, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Reading Paul's mind is a risky business
it could go either way. Allen has shown the spine to make unpopular decisions in the past. OTOH, he has a soft heart for Seattle area players, execs and coaches
like Harvey Two-Face, toss up a coin and see where it falls. I won’t be surprised to see Brandon let go by Scrooge on Xmas eve, or #7 still on the roster in April, winning yet another playoff game for the Blazers
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I agree. This one is not completely predictable.
But if they let him go this season I think it will be sooner rather than later. Better to get it over with and deal with any PR fallout rather than wait until the last minute. Training camp will be short anyway, so it’s better to let Nate set up his rotations and plans knowing whether Roy will be there or not.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 27, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don't expect they'll waive Brandon until the fans/media have had a look at him
I could be wrong. He could fail his physical/conditioning test and they might say “sayanora” right after media day. But if Roy passes those hurdles it will be hard for the front office to kick him to the curb right away. Quick and Canzano would be all over that “hasty” decision, etc.
Unless, maybe Roy comes out and says “we made an agreement and it’s in everyone’s best interest that I move on” but after Brandon’s “50/50” comment to Softy back in July ‘09 I really don’t expect this amicable scenario. I imagine Roy still thinks of the Blazers as “his” team, or at least shared ownership with LMA
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It's going to be a really awkward Media Day if Brandon is there
and the team isn’t willing to commit to keeping him this year. Can you imagine the questions? Brandon do you expect to be a Blazer on Xmas Day? Chad (Larry, Nate, and everyone else connected with the Blazers include Blaze), will Brandon be amnestied this year? LMA, should the Blazers keep Brandon? Repeat about 200 times. What will be the answer – ah we haven’t decided yet?
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 27, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
the front office can play coy
and say something like “OF COURSE we’re going to keep B-Roy around! Who asked that silly question anyway? Pelton? Jaynes?”
Then they’ll whack Brandon later and claim they were mis-quoted by the hostile local media
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it’s better to let Nate set up his rotations and plans knowing whether Roy will be there or not.
If they keep Roy, Nate will have to use 2 basic rotations: one with a healthy Roy and the other for the nights where Brandon can’t push off or jump well. Fortunately, the roster has plenty of wing depth (and I’m not talking about Williams and Babbit…) to cover those 96 minutes at the 2-3. If anything serious happens to Matthews, Batum or Wallace, then things could get real dicey…especially if Brandon suffers a relapse
but you can always pull a decent wing out of the D-league, in an emergency. That’s why signing another FA big man (rather than Crawford, etc) makes sense
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It's still better for Nate and the rest of the players to know that Brandon is gone
when training camp starts then to find out on Dec 24 (or whenever). That just makes common sense for everyones preparation to the season, particularly when time is so short.
It could also make a big difference in what the Blazers can do during free agency. If they sign Oden to a new deal or he takes the QO they will be over the luxury tax threshold with Roy. That limits what they can do with the MLE and a free agency starting Dec 9. If they let Roy go on Dec 9 they will be under the luxury tax even if they re-sign Oden and can use the full $5M/4 Yr MLE instead of the $3M/3 Yr MLE and they can use the 150% trade exception instead of the 125% trade exception.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 27, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Should be interesting
I’d like to think the Blazers have “a plan” for all these contingencies, but what I’m envisioning in the pre-signing-day Vulcan war-room is a dartboard and a leaky magic 8-ball
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Rec for the reference if not the sentiment...
You made me laugh. Reality is harsh with the Roy situation.
If they do amnesty him, he will make a great weapon off somebody’s bench. It will probably be best for everyone if he can go somewhere where fans aren’t constantly confronted with what has been lost and can appreciate him for what he can offer to their team at a much lower cost.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
Hey may deserve a fresh start. . .
and since teams under the cap are rumored to have first dibs on amnestied players we don’t really have to worry about him being a Laker I hope.
but what if the plan is to part with Camby's salary at the deadline?
then Marcus and Greg’s cap-hit would cancel each other out, before the day of reckoning
I guess that would depend on what asset is hypothetically received in exchange for Camby, and how fungible it is
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My guess is both are gone, and it will all be a question of timing. Brandon can
be amnestied anytime, whereas with Camby you likely need someone looking for cap relief given the $11 million man is 39 and isn’t an $11 million man anymore. I’m the first in line to say get us an everyday front line player to team with Aldridge and enable Oden to play his 20-22 minutes a game for a year or so while letting crash play his regular position given the mismatches that causes. And, for those wanting a shooter, we have Matthews and Batum in that slot. If neither step up, then deal with it at that time. But, wait and see on that slot is my take. Matthews should be healthy, helping his shot, and Batum, at least in France, seems to be improving as well.
Wesley shot 40% from downtown on a bum ankle
I think a lot of folks are sleeping on Matthews, because he isn’t Roy
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he played on it for 3-4 months
dude is a warrior
and he’s had enough time for it to fully heal
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I think you've got MW confused with Rudy
Matthew’s idea of a “party” is to take his mom out to dinner
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
and then she'll shag balls
at the gym for Wesley, afterwards
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