BREAKING: NBA, PLAYERS REACH TENTATIVE LABOR DEAL
by Ben Golliver on Nov 25, 2011 11:23 PM PST
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PrintAccording to Ken Berger of CBSSports.com (here), Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports (here), Howard Beck of The New York Times (here) and Chris Broussard of ESPN.com (here), the NBA and its players have reached a tentative agreement on a new labor deal after 15 hours of negotiations in New York City on Friday.
The reports started trickling in just after 3 a.m. Eastern time on Saturday. The deal is obviously subject to approval by both sides and the players must reform their union to ratify it. So-called "B-list" issues remain to be resolved.
"We have reached a tentative understanding," NBA commissioner David Stern said. "We're optimistic that the NBA season will come to pass on Dec. 25, Christmas Day, with a triple-header."
"We are happy that we have been able to reach a tentative litigation settlement," NBPA executive director Billy Hunter added. "We're going to turn it all over to the lawyers ... Once we present it [to the players], we're confident they will support it."
Stern said that training camps and free agency are both expected to open on Dec. 9.
NBA TV announced the tentative labor deal early Saturday morning shortly after reports first broke.
Here's video of NBA commissioner David Stern and National Basketball Players Association executive director Billy Hunter making the announcement which aired on NBA TV.
Saturday is day No. 159 of the ongoing lockout.
Click through for Friday's earlier developments.
What does this all mean? Check out the following links...
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EARLIER UPDATES...
NBA commissioner David Stern said, according to Berger...
Stern: "We've reached a tentative understanding."
Stern: "We're optimistic ... that the NBA season will come to pass on Dec. 25, Christmas Day, with a triple-header."
Stern: "If all goes smoothly, training camps will open Dec. 9. Season will be 66 game beginning on Christmas."
Wojnarowski reported...
Free agency and camps starting together on Dec 9 means teams like New Orleans and Boston will show up with just a handful of signed players.
MUCH EARLIER UPDATES...
Representatives of the NBA and its players picked up labor negotiations in New York on Friday and spent more than 15 hours talking, but it was not clear until the end whether they were going forward or backwards.
Talks began at noon on Friday and stretched past 3 a.m. Saturday morning after the two sides had reportedly exchanged communications informally on Tuesday and Wednesday.
As Friday's face-to-face negotiations marched past the 10-hour mark, multiple reports indicated that the players requested a 51 percent of the Basketball Related Income split. In the NBA's most recent proposal, the players would have received a 50 percent split. The players previously have said they would accept a 50 percent revenue split if they receive certain system issues that they feel are "must-haves."
The 51 percent request reportedly came from players attorney Jeffrey Kessler, who recently made headlines when he apologized for saying that NBA commissioner Stern treats the players "like plantation workers." Kessler was reportedly not present during today's negotiations but made the request via conference call.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reported...
Players pushed for return to 51% of revenue split, source says; Stern, [San Antonio Spurs owner Peter] Holt refused. The players are clearly trying to feel out how much leverage the filing of federal suits against the NBA have gained them in the process.
Chris Broussard of ESPN.com reported...
Owners dismayed by players asking for 51% BRI 2nite. Players have wanted more than 50 since disclaiming.... League source says no way deal getting done if players insist on more than 50% BRI.
Owners' Labor relations committee deflated when told on conference call that players asked for 51% BRI
League source also said players not getting full midlevel from luxury tax teams..players not asking for full ml, just increase from $3 mill
Howard Beck of the New York Times reported...
Have confirmed that Kessler, via speakerphone, asked for 51% tonight, as reported by Yahoo and ESPN. Step backwards in negotiations.
Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reported the following rosters...
Representing the players during the talks were former NBPA executive director Billy Hunter, former NBPA president Derek Fisher, former NBPA board member Maurice Evans, attorney Ron Klempner and economist Kevin Murphy. The league was represented by NBA commissioner David Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, San Antonio Spurs owner Peter Holt and NBA general counsel Rick Buchanan.
Berger also noted that antitrust attorneys hired by or linked to the players -- David Boies and Jim Quinn -- were not in the room, suggesting that the labor talks were essentially picking up where they left off prior to the players filing an antitrust lawsuit against the league last week.
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There's something humorous about Kessler, sitting in the background via speakerphone,
suddenly yelling “We want 51%!!”
i dont know if any of this is good or bad
it seems to have a negative tone though—certainly no agreements were reached.
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 25, 2011 11:43 PM PST reply actions
ESPN reports: "Owners dismayed by players asking for 51% BRI 2nite."
The players’ latest offer of 51%. That means they have given up 6% (the last CBA was set at 57% revenue to the players) along with a plethora of other concessions. ESPN reports: “Owners dismayed by players asking for 51% BRI 2nite.” What has management done? Their first offer was 47% and even more concessions. The players have moved farther off the previous CBA than management has from their initial OFFER.
This story is about greedy billionaires. These billionaires paid a premium to existing owners to buy into basketball high. Then they made poor business decisions. They floated huge loans to these buy teams that come out of each team’s bottom line. Then these owners thought setting a soft cap on team salaries would control spending. But greedy for wins as well, these owners have over-payed for players contracts until many teams are paying luxury tax, and those not in luxury tax are lucky if they are still competitive. And not being competitive brings steep losses in revenue. Playing the game their way, they’ve found a way to make the NBA a lose-lose proposition.
Now these billionaires — the same men who dug these pits — want the players to basically guarantee them profitability! And the funny thing is that the teams are still profitable if you include the growth in the value of the NBA franchises. [This growth in value is not reflected in the BRI. Nor are the many tax advantages including double, uncounted revenues for arenas, and regional market synergies. The teams refuse to show their full revenue pictures, they just want the players to believe they’re losing money. Don’t get me started! ]
Okay, the franchises WERE growing in value. Now that the owners locked out the players, the worth of an NBA franchise is plummeting — the only way out, squeezing the players into an ugly deal, and soon.
Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM
by LaoTzu on Nov 26, 2011 12:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seems like the players have given up on the charade that they abandoned the union.
So much for their disclaimer of interest now that their union President Fisher and Hunter are negotiating without Boies and Quinn.
Don’t give them a penny over 50% Stern.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 12:13 AM PST reply actions
yeahhhh budddy
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The NBA and players have reached an agreement on a deal, source says. The season will start on Dec. 25.
/cambyfive
Well that was one of the most jarring page refreshes I've had in a long time
“Negotiations going backwards”….“DEAL DONE”
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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by brandonmitchell on Nov 26, 2011 12:33 AM PST reply actions
For some twisted reason
this show tune came to mind
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I've been refreshing NBA media twitters all night
Amazing news, looking forward to seeing Oden come back a little bit into the season…
Great news!
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 12:37 AM PST reply actions
basketball never stops again!
by critter bonus on Nov 26, 2011 12:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
WE ARE BACK!
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by rise_stand_resist on Nov 26, 2011 12:42 AM PST reply actions
Good - now we can start looking for a GM. As if we needed one ...
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 12:42 AM PST reply actions
No video feed yet
Watch tweets here to follow the press conference: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html
Well I guess this is good,
although I’d talked myself into thinking the novelty of no NBA season at all would serve both houses right and shouldn’t I move away from the addiction of fandom to some higher plane of… well… emptiness and stuff.
But now I guess I can join everyone here in worrying about “Will Oden ever play?” and “Will Brandon feel ‘disrespected’ if he doesn’t get the minutes he’s owed in his mind’?”
and actual basketball questions like “IsBatum really going to be A LOT BETTER?” and “Will Raymond Felton or any other new guy win us over bigtime?”
OK. I’m OK with this. Let’s feed the ball to Lamarcus in the post and win 52 games and I will enjoy the season SOMETIMES A GREAT DEAL!
ignacio
Don't worry, Nate will find a way to mess this up
(What? I laid off Mr. Sonic for 6 months…)
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so ecstatic. just hope its true
straying up until 1 am browsing the web did me some good for once
Bat88m
To tell you the truth, I haven't even really thought much about this team
so I defer to some extent to your superior pessimism.
ignacio
Oddly enough, I think 38 games is in the middle.
Pessimism would be something like 33 to 35 games.
"I Am Mine"
Remember, Nate's teams are slow starters
they usually don’t get cooking until around game 50…which might be too late, this year
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ESPN reporting training camps to start on Dec 9
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 12:56 AM PST reply actions
I recommend Monster.com if Craigslist is not an option
Or maybe Larry Miller’s extensive LinkedIn network
I have a weird feeling they already have someone in mind
That might be the reason they suspended the search. “When this thing is over, we’ll hire you”.
Or they’re completely lost. One or the other.
Either way, hey guys, you gotta figure out the Greg situation.
The scouts have kept working. We should be prepared for free agency.
As for Roy and Greg… that comes down to PA’s mood anyway. So while I’m in the “we should have a good GM in place by training camp” camp, it probably won’t have too much of an impact.
It's that actual GM duty that concerns me.
They don’t seem sold on Buchanan (removed him as a candidate), and Miller and Allen have no experience working the phones. We could use someone in charge of basketball activities who has the experience to run it.
Sounds bearable in a pinch.
Not a fan of Bernie in full charge, but he could indeed handle the GM-schmoozing.
For a truncated off-season, I'm fine with it.
But yeah, it’s not a viable long-term solution.
"I Am Mine"
I agree. I think Paul made those decisions already.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
I'd like to wait a season on hiring a new GM.
Then again, I also believe that the Trail Blazers will underwhelm this season; thus, some house cleaning will be in order involving both the basketball operations department and coaching staff.
Besides, any GM who’s hired in the next couple of weeks will be compromised by having to work with leftover employees from the past two administrations. That’s the past three administrations if you count Nate McMillian, who was hired during the PatterNash era.
"I Am Mine"
While I won't be rooting for mediocrity
I won’t be surprised, either
Ultimately this season rides on the health of Oden and Roy. I’m expecting big things from Matthews and Batum, but so much of it depends on playing time and rotations
McMillian has a roster that’s heavy at the 2-3 positions and light at the 4-5. Maybe “whoever the GM is” will tweak it, but there won’t be much time for everything to jell, so I suspect that Nate will hand the ball to Brandon and ride that horse until he breaks down, again. Then we will see what we will see re: the Felton-LMA-Oden triumvirate
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Bucher confirms 66 games on ESPN
He says Christmas will be opening night, and it is indeed a 50/50 split.
The owners gave some room on a few of the issues, and it looked like it was enough.
Now they’re hoping there are no surprises with players and owners voting. The general feeling is that this is a done deal. The players felt this was as good of leverage as they were going to get.
Stern says free agency also starts on Dec 9
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:04 AM PST reply actions
ESPN has press conference on NOW
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:05 AM PST reply actions
He looks like someone that just found his missing legacy.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
He most definitely looks relieved.
It’s pretty clear Stern didn’t want to have a “vacant” entry on the O’Brien Trophy.
Yeah, that's why I disagreed with how David Stern got so much of the blame for this lockout.
Had a full season been missed, it’d’ve been the ten or so hardline owners who pushed for that.
Not Stern, who just did his job as the owners’ representation.
"I Am Mine"
Silver looks like he has been sucking on a rock
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"B.Roy, he play like Brandon Roy. That's it." - Nicolas Batum
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by rise_stand_resist on Nov 26, 2011 1:09 AM PST reply actions
Honestly, they did as well as they could
With the exception of getting a similar deal a month ago and not costing the players a couple paychecks. They were negotiating with limited leverage.
That’s the last time you’ll hear me say something nice about Derek Fisher.
by Timmay! on Nov 26, 2011 1:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, 66 games means 16/82 of $2B salary lost for the players. That's $390M lost for players.
I hope they got what they wanted in the system issues for their $390M because they could have just took the original 50-50 deal and saved the salary and a full season.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
I think he sticks around for about 5 more years, but bolts with about a year to go in this new CBA.
"I Am Mine"
Stern is 69. I doubt he stays more than 2 years, just to get one last full season in.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
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by Fila429 on Nov 26, 2011 1:13 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Well...
…hopefully my reverse psychology karma of insisting that the Christmas games were dead, has resulted in the universe once again mocking me.
Now I guess we all wonder why as The N.B.A. storms back to operation like a crowd at Wal-Mart fighting over a Black Friday bargain…The Blazers have no GM. Maybe treating the entire CBA period like free pass on the issue wasn’t such a great approach?
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
If this is true
One has to consider the post earlier that suggested PA’s hardline stance came from his plans to sell the team. It would mean all bets are off; Roy amnesty, Oden resigning, free agency, everything. And if PA moved to make the team better in the frantic 30 days before Xmas that would mean the talk of him selling is not true.
Steve Goodman lives.
What's the over/under going to be on how many games Greg Oden plays in?
My number is 40… Hopefully it’s over that and in a blazer uniform. I’m glad that we can all talk about things like this again!!
Not sure..
I don’t even know if he has touched a basketball in two years :)
I remember reading a month ago he was doing light running.
That is good to hear. I believe he’ll come back on the bench mid February. You have to assume when he’ll be ready for physical contact. After that he has to be in “basketball shape” which is another 2-3 weeks. Hopefully he stays fresh enough for the playoffs.
Would LOVE it if Greg and Brandon could be close to 100%
for the half-season and pull out just one championship before the whole house of cards falls down again and we have to rebuild.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Short season = lots of games in a short amount of time
it’s just the opposite of what Brandon needs. He’d be much better off playing a European schedule (2-3 games/week) with those knees
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My guess - It depends on whether he signs a new long term contract or the Qualifying Offer.
If he signs the QO don’t expect him to play many games or start until March. If he signs a long term deal then I’d guess he will start by the end of January.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
March?
Based on?
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
If he signs the QO he is just going to show the league he will be ready next year,
and risk very little chance of an injury this year. He’ll bring a note from his doctor of course. :)
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not convinced he'd be back before March either way
This is a totally unfounded statement though. Just a feeling.
I believe you may be right, but that was too depressing to write.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:05 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I've settled into realist mode with Greg
He usually seems to run a month or two behind on rehab, but is healed when he does hit the court.
If the proposed stretch provision is included in the new CBA, I'm comfortable with Portland giving ...
Greg Oden a four-year, multi-million dollar contract offer. Whether or not Oden takes it, however, is up to him, but we shall see.
"I Am Mine"
GAME DAY BALA. WTD
Also, I have no idea what to think of a shortened season. Good thing or bad in the long run?
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
As long as it's fun I guess.
Probably less fatigue I suppose.
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
Depends on how compressed the season is...
Last time, they had 50 games starting in Feb and had back-to-back-to-back nights. Not sure what happens here yet.
So... it's a 6 year deal
By then they’ll have a new TV deal, which changes everything for at least one side.
So much to be excited for this year!
Revamped back-court, a rested and (hopefully) more healthy B. Roy, the return of number 52, and the rapid improvement of Batum and Aldridge.
I cannot wait!
Wesley Matthews with 2 healthy ankles
Brandon’s gonna have to play like an all-star again to get his starting job back
I’d slide Roy into a 6th man’s role, but that’s Nate’s call (with Paul whispering in his ear, no doubt)
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Orlando has been continuing their planning, assuming it's happening
The NBA never informed them otherwise. I think you’re right, they’ll probably even keep it on the same date.
In 2012, the All-Star game was smartly scheduled for the last weekend of February instead of ...
the middle of the month — which is when it’s usually played — so all systems go.
"I Am Mine"
It's scheduled for February 26th, which is two months into the shortened season.
A bit early, but still doable. Besides, it’s a huge moneymaker and, well, the show must go on.
"I Am Mine"
Financially, he is just fine
Playing time – he is better off in China
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
Better off financially too it sounded like.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
Gives him some time to improve
Wouldn’t be surprised to see him trying to get back into the NBA next season.
One of the reasons I think Mills is better off in China
Let me rephrase that – one of the reasons the Blazers are better off with Mills in China. Keeps McMarginal from overplaying a low upside scrub….(yes, I like Mills as a person – but I’d rather his PT went to Johnson)….
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
It's less about playing time and more about keeping a roster spot.
Armon Johnson won’t see much — if any — playing time behind Raymond Felton, Nolan Smith, and Elliot Williams.
"I Am Mine"
Elliot really needs to remind me that he exists.
I’m curious how good Nolan Smith is. I haven’t seen him at all.
He scored more points than Wessy Wes in a charity game or two
I think he gets quite a few minutes as a combo guard able to back up either 1 or 2.
And it's possible that Nate's connection with Coach K
will tend to make him give Nolan Smith a bit more of a chance than he often has given most rookies.
ignacio
heh...I'd completely spaced on Williams
YOU just reminded me he exists…
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:03 AM PST up reply actions
Probably
But it was a travesty last year that Mills got PT over Johnson
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sold on Elliot Williams or Armon Johnson, but I have high hopes for Nolan ...
Smith. By the fall of 2012, I predict that Smith will be this Blazers’ starting point guard.
"I Am Mine"
I'm with you on this.
I’ve seen him play quite a bit.
ignacio
It's probably better for the Blazers right now anyway.
We have too many bench PGs.
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
I think Mills is right where he should be
for the last 2 years
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Somebody's in game shape
though it’s not gonna be fun for Nic to go stand in the corner and do a Portland, after running the show for the Nancy boys
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It's his time.
Watch “the emergence of Nic Batum” happen in January….!
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Uh-Oh
Adrian Wojnarowski: One vet player texting me, doubting he’ll vote to approve deal. “We (bleeping) caved,” he said. He’s been entrenched on issues entire way. 1 minute ago
Hah I can't blame you
If the players decline this offer after the reps feel it’s the best they’ll get, I’ll be surprised. The reps are working on the players behalf, so they know what they’re doing.
Same for the owners, Stern is working for them, so you can be they’re already on board.
Yeah, and with a Christmas Day start date...
…anyone who nixes the deal will look like an even bigger greed-hog Scrooge.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
God bless us, every one
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Seriously doubt a few hardline vets are going to be able to derail things now
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 1:40 AM PST up reply actions
That would be ridiculous
I don’t think either side is audacious enough to ruin the deal now.
They will count the player ballots in Chicago ... just to make sure it passes.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
sweet :)
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
"Patrick Ewing votes yes. Alonzo Mourning votes yes. Shaquille O'Neal votes yes"
“Wait, aren’t they—-”
“SHUT UP AND COUNT THEM.”
by Timmay! on Nov 26, 2011 1:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If it was Pierce, he probably needed to be wheeled out of the room after the call
Don’t worry, he was just fine two minutes later.
Hahaha
Man I’m glad basketball is back!
by hoodieNation on Nov 26, 2011 7:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Mills is one thing....Brooks entirely another
One is a marginal bench player…another an ostensible NBA starter….
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
I actually think he'll be back, too.
Paul Allen will happily tender him the QO again, so this song and dance will continue another year.
"I Am Mine"
Maybe Paul will fall in love with another quick PG in the 2012 draft
and Patty will become a distant memory
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Well, there are at least 6 authorized Maria Sharpova lookalikes
who appear in her stead at events for Canon in China, Japan, etc…
while she piles up $23 million/year.
ignacio
NO!
Can’t stand him! I watched the first half of a Real Madrid game like a week ago when they were playing the team he was on and even that little bit was too much!
There is no replacing Rudy
unless it’s by Petteri Koponen!
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Woooooo
Adrian Wojnarowski: There will be a significant number of players who will not vote to approve this deal, but there won’t be a majority. The deal will pass.
Is D-Wade a hardliner?
Oh, and if we’re going to hate on Paul Pierce, then there’s a certain someone y’all should thank.
#24
"I Am Mine"
Henry Abbott is on ESPN
He says the big teams will need to give more money to small teams, who will be required to spend that money on players, not keep it as profit.
That's all he said. I suspect we'll hear more in the coming days.
I paraphrased it, but I think I covered the gist of his statement.
Players got revenue sharing?
And a vet thinks they "caved’????
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 1:50 AM PST up reply actions
Did they raise the salary floor?
In earlier reports, the salary floor was going to be raised from 75% of salary cap to like 90% of salary cap.
"I Am Mine"
I think he was assuming they did.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:00 AM PST up reply actions
what no recs?
this should be the most recd post EVER!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 26, 2011 1:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
One of the funniest things happening during the lockout in terms of sports journalism was AP writers beating the wire on Twitter, and the AP bosses reprimanding them for that
NOBODY BEATS THE WIRE! Well, except tools to break news much faster with even shorter statements.
LOL. Beat the Wire, sounds like 1920's.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 1:58 AM PST up reply actions
dude
i just use bedge, never even been to twitter. who needs to, when like tim says, everones posting here twitter anyways
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 26, 2011 2:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I relied heavily on
http://www.sportando.net/eng/ , quickest for international news.
Get it done... Paul.
ESPN Winners & Losers
LOSERS: The Portland Trail Blazers
The Blazers carry high salaries with a mediocre team, and we know for certain the GM has not spent the summer executing a new master plan. We know this because there is no GM! But common sense would suggest this team has to win a lot or change a lot, and one of their favorite tools of the past — outspending rivals — has grown trickier.
I disagree, of course. ESPN assumes the Blazers need to make a lot of decisions, when in, in fact, they only have to decide on Roy….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
They also have a little decision to make on what's his name? Oh yeah, Oden.
Then there is that other guy in France – Batum.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:03 AM PST up reply actions
Good question. And how long will Oden have to accept the QO?
And when will the trade deadline be?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
Both of those decisions are closely related to Roy
Jettison Roy – and Oden/Batum are much easier to retain….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:05 AM PST up reply actions
They might decide to keep Roy one more season to see how things stand, postpone extending Batum making him a RFA, and Greg takes the QO
Then we really are a mediocre team without a master plan :-)
We could quibble with "mediocre"
…so conditional on Oden not playing to a reasonable facsimile of a 1st overall pick….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:09 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think so.
If Paul decides to keep the team it’s a no-brainer to make Oden a big offer, IMO. If he decides to sell the team then maybe he lets Oden go to make the financials look better.
I think Batum depends on whether they think Wallace will opt-out or not. If not, then Batum gets traded unless he looks much, much better before the trade deadline (assuming there is a trade deadline).
I suspect Roy stays for the rest of the year just to see what happens to his knees.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:09 AM PST up reply actions
Salary cap
Check out Storyteller’s breakdown
The qualifier is whether the luxury tax has a phase in period….
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:14 AM PST up reply actions
Salary Cap? That has no effect on Roy, Oden, or Batum.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:15 AM PST up reply actions
eh?
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:15 AM PST up reply actions
Oden and Batum have Bird rights. No salary cap problem. Roy is signed.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:16 AM PST up reply actions
ok...rephrase that as Luxury Tax problem
which is directly related to the cap :)…again – the qualifier is the phase in on the tax…
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:18 AM PST up reply actions
Ok luxury tax, not salary cap. Right. That was my point on Oden.
1) If Paul is going to sell the team in the next couple years (as reported today – may be completely untrue) then because of the luxury tax he might let Oden go now because otherwise he would be locked into a long term high salary with luxury tax implications for years. But if he isn’t selling and still wants to win it all, then he just can’t let Oden go. So to me it’s all about where’s Paul’s head is at now.
2) If Batum is traded then he is going to be traded with someone that has a high salary (i.e. Camby) in order to get equal value for him. So that will be wash for team salary. If Wallace opts out then it’s a salary wash (or even a reduction) to resign Batum.
3) With Roy, Paul can afford to keep him this year and see what happens because he can still amnesty him next year (and therefore not impact a possible sale if Roy can’t continue to contribute).
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:31 AM PST up reply actions
Consider:
(from Storyteller):
The last option speaks volumes – if the Trail Blazers choose to keep Roy on the team and re-signed Greg Oden for a contract paying him $11 million in 2010-11 and used the entire $5 million MLE, they would be looking at paying nearly $40 million in luxury tax at the end of the year. A very hefty cost indeed.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:17 AM PST up reply actions
Which makes the mulimillion dollar question:
Is this roster good enough to justify a tapped out cap for the near future????
Roy….I have my doubts, hope I’m wrong…not a lot of latitude for risk
Batum…a keeper at a modest salary – modest seems more feasible under a new CBA
Wallace….one or two year window, here
LMA…highly unlikely to improve this position via draft or FA
Oden…big wildcard…lots of risk IRT performance/health
PG – still the most upgradeable position, but SG (Mathews as a starter???) is a close second if Roy goes down….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2011 2:21 AM PST up reply actions
Here are my thoughts on those issues.
1. Brandon Roy: He should be amnestied—ASAP! There’s no need to drag it out and have that cloud hanging over the ballclub.
2. Nicolas Batum: Unless a wonderful trade offer is available, don’t deal him before the season. But don’t sign him to a contract extension, either. Batum, therefore, can make the leap early this season — which I doubt — or flop and become trade bait for an upgrade come February. If Batum shows up finally on the big stage, he’ll be a RFA next summer and the team can then use its Bird rights on the Frenchman to re-sign him. Yet, a mid-season trade still seems like a good bet, with Marcus Camby included as outgoing salary filler.
3. Gerald Wallace: Unsure of what the long-term plans are for Crash, but he’s an outstanding piece in the meantime. Portland, meanwhile, must bank on him being here at least the next two seasons, because there isn’t any other option. So yeah, let’s hope that Wallace doesn’t opt-out next summer.
4. LaMarcus Aldridge: The closest thing the team has got to a franchise cornerstone, which is good and bad. The stability Aldridge brings is a positive, but he can only take a team so far. Thus far, that “so far” hasn’t been good enough. Worse yet, it’s safe to say that Aldridge, 26, may have maxed out.
A doubled-edged sword, indeed.
5. Greg Oden: The “Great Savior” himself. Okay, if there’s a stretch provision in the new CBA and his rehab is going smoothly, I’d offer Oden a four-year, multi-million dollar contract, with a starting salary about that of his $8,788,681 qualifying offer. Approximately, that comes out to a four-year, $40 million deal. If healthy, he’s worth it. If not, use the stretch provision on him after the second season. To me, that’s a gamble worth taking each and every time. Go big or go home, as the old sayin’ goes.
6. Point Guard: I still view Raymond Felton as strictly a one-year stopgap. I assume he enters camp out of shape, starts the season slowly, and alienates a sizable portion of the fan base. That opening will present Nolan Smith with test, which he’ll pass with flying colors. Smith appears to be the type of guy who, figuratively speaking, can learn to swim just by being tossed into the deep end of the pool. I also expect Felton walks in free agency after this season. For Portland, that’ll be all right—especially financially. It must trim the fat eventually, both figuratively and literally.
"I Am Mine"
by AK1984 on Nov 26, 2011 4:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
1. Agreed
2. You’ve sold low on Nic for years, why stop now? (still want Iggy?)
3. I don’t expect GW to be a TB for long
4. Agreed, LMA needs someone who can get him the rock near the basket.
5. Roll the dice on Greg, hopefully Paul hasn’t lost his desire to win
6. I would have drafted Faried and (moved up and) selected Smith in the early 2nd round. The fact that Nolan fell so far should speak volumes. The first starting PG that Portland has drafted/developed since Terry Porter? The odds are stacked against NS as long as McMillian is around…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
"(still want Iggy?)"
Yes, I do.
If Philadelphia finally trades him, I’ll be interested to see where he ends up. Whichever team acquires him, however, will be better off for it. That, I can promise you.
Also, Nolan Smith will be A-OK. I guarantee it.
"I Am Mine"
check out the trends right now worldwide on twitter:
#nbaisback
#teamheat
#ThingsThatUse2BeCool
Christmas Day
Mike Brown
Derrick Rose
Don Brash
Miami Heat
Ray Allen
PHILLY!
Mhm, my list looks slightly different
nbaisback
oldpeoplenames
Lakers
Christchurch central
Phil Goff
Don Brash
Mike Brown
Ray Allen
Youp
Derrick (sic) Rose
I’m just happy that Bieber is not trending all the time anymore
no blazer has tweeted about the end of the lockout yet
except for nic who said he didn’t know anything official
PHILLY!
How did 3 things related to the NZ election get in there??
Worldwide?!?
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Owners must pay players a minimum 85% of cap for first two years, 90% after that.
(Answering earlier questions)
Is it 85% or 75%? I thought I just saw ESPN say 75%.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:14 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I know but I thought ESPN just said first years would still be 75%. Maybe I saw it wrong.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
OK, that's what I saw then. I just checked the last published NBA offer and it was 85%.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 26, 2011 2:21 AM PST up reply actions
Remember this?
This poster still hangs in my garage. Could it finally be time to RISE? Will this be our season?
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 26, 2011 2:11 AM PST reply actions
well its time for me to crash
have a good nights sleep, i know i sure will
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 26, 2011 2:14 AM PST reply actions
I don't want to think about all this off-the-court stuff, I really don't.
I may tune out again until there are roster developments or we actually play.
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