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Alejandro Delmar of AS.com reports that Real Madrid of the Spanish ACB league is weighing the possibility of adding Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard and Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, among other stars, in light of this week's news that the NBA's labor impasse is headed to the courts. Delmar also writes that Real Madrid believes Aldridge is a better fit than Howard.

Aldridge discussed the possibility of signing to play overseas all summer. This is now the fifth straight month Aldridge's name has been linked to overseas rumors.

Former Blazers guards Rudy Fernandez and Sergio Rodriguez currently play for Real Madrid as does Oklahoma City Thunder forward Serge Ibaka. Fernandez signed to play with Real Madrid back in September.

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Why not? If there is not going to be a season then it would be great

for LMA to play competitive bball and reuniting him with Rudy will help him settle in Madrid quicker.

by VinnyB on Nov 16, 2011 5:38 AM PST reply actions  

real is gonna be loaded

sergio, rudy, gay, aldridge, howard?

and ibaka off the bench.

game over.

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Nov 16, 2011 5:51 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure about Aldridge and Howard

It seems more likely they will choose one or the other, but not both.

by Victor Hugo on Nov 16, 2011 6:47 AM PST up reply actions  

and that running alley-oop thing with Rudy

LMA and Rudy had that going maybe even more than with Dre.

by superfly05 on Nov 16, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

There would be crazy alley oops!

Between Rudy to LA and Ibaka and Sergio to Rudy! Would be fun to watch and LA might pick up a few new things to add to his arsenal!

by somanluna1 on Nov 16, 2011 3:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, I agree.

Also the original article in Spanish says that Real Madrid would prefer Aldridge too.

by Victor Hugo on Nov 16, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

It is a kind of silly argument.

We would all trade Howard for Aldridge in a heartbeat.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Nov 16, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

it's a different game in Europe

there’s a reason Howard didn’t play all that much in the Olympics, in relation to his NBA pedigree.

International/European ball is very different. It is much more suited to Aldridge’s game than it is Dwight’s.

Doesn’t mean LA is a better player in the NBA.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Nov 16, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

I wonder how long it will be before american cable channels start trying to pick up some euroleague games?

by moflow on Nov 16, 2011 7:24 AM PST reply actions  

I'll take it...

I still remember how happy I was to see the Spanish fans coming in and cheering for Portland. It’d be pretty cool if a bunch of PacNW fans returned the favor and did some cheering for Real Madrid.

I’ll happily watch those games and drink a little Spanish Oloroso sherry.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Nov 16, 2011 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

Happy and sherry are not compatible

Nasty stuff, fino

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2011 3:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Already watching Real Madrid games!

It’s fun watching the “Spanish Armada” back in action, plus I’ve watched the Spanish National Team the last three summers and enjoy watching Llull and Reyes play also. And Ibaka is pretty good too, wish the Blazers could somehow get him from the Thunder … Aldridge and Ibaka would be a pretty sweet frontcourt (not for other teams, of course)!

by somanluna1 on Nov 16, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LMA is totally euro

i like it here, there, everywhere.

by Name's Ash on Nov 16, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

The thing is...

I think if we start to see a mass exodus to Europe, that’s a pretty clear sign that the players think the N.B.A. season is totally lost, and that we are a long long way from resolution.

If you think we will be playing by January…you don’t really even consider this…

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Nov 16, 2011 8:42 AM PST reply actions  

Last I checked Europe isn’t exactly financially stable. What kind of money will these guys get? Also, what about the risk of injury when your bread and butter contracts will ultimately be the NBA when it starts up again. Some will leave but the majority probably won’t.

I'm typing this here because I became jealous of everyone else with signatures in their posts.

by Flapbreaker on Nov 16, 2011 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

You're right

Things are not going so well right now in the majority of countries in Europe and it will only get worse. Take Greece as an example or even Spain. Sports still one of the areas that are not so affected but I wouldn’t count on that for long. Also true that Germany is quite stable right now and has been for quite some time, but when the European Union take a big hit it will also hit Germany.

The original article that this post relates to talks exactly about what you’re pointing out here.. NBA players will not get a salary anywhere near their NBA’s salary and it also reports that there are only about a dozen of teams or markets of size and potential expected by the same players.

by Victor Hugo on Nov 16, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Europe isn't in any worse shape than the US

They just don’t have the ability to borrow as much as we do.

by superfly05 on Nov 16, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Most of the southern European countries have debt/GDP ratios well over 100%

Greece, for instance, was approaching 180%, and even after the bailout is around 125%. Those countries (like Spain and Italy) are forced to pay astronomical interest rates on their debt.

The US only recently broke 100%, and is already taking efforts to reign in spending. Our efforts aren’t much, but the public pressure on government spending should, hopefully, keep our borrowing relatively sustainable for the near future. So, actually, the only reason Europe isn’t in worse shape is the ability of some countries to borrow more than the US can.

Even the stable countries are only stable because of the increased demand among European investors for their sovereign bonds (as they retreat from southern European ones). For example, Germany is paying nominal interest rates of around .25%. That is not sustainable in the long run, and many economists believe it is only a matter of time before those debt bubbles pop.

Most NBA players probably don’t realize that, as most Americans don’t understand the euro situation, so they’ll probably hurt themselves financially thinking they’re making a wise choice.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Nov 17, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

they will be paid in Euroes(more value then the dollar)

not only that but most of the big $ guys will get insurance on their NBA contracts.

Get it done... Paul.

by 420Phenom on Nov 16, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter what they will get paid in

its still going to be less then the value of what they would make in the NBA.

by AR-15 on Nov 18, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to wonder if NBA'ers playing in Europe will help or hurt the NBPA's efforts.

On one hand, they can try to convince the owners it’s a viable option. On the other hand, once they play there, they will have a chance to compare it to the amenities the NBA offers them.

Part of me thinks it would be a good idea if every team’s player reps spent a few months in Europe. Perhaps it would make them more entrenched, perhaps it would cause a step back. But it would certainly add some more complexity to negotiations.

by Timmay! on Nov 16, 2011 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

I can't see how it will help their anti-trust case.

If players are able to go anywhere in the world and play as professionals (i.e. for good pay) then how does the NBA have monopolistic power over them. I’ve read that the NBA will argue that there are now lots of professional basketball leagues all over the world for the players services (unlike American football for instance). I guess it will depend on how much weight (if any) the US courts give to “world-wide employment opportunities” for high-profile professional athletes.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 16, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A trust in the USA

Our courts don’t give a cahoots about what goes on in other nations.

by NWfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Really? Perhaps you should read RUTGERS LAW JOURNAL [Vol. 41:549]

DOES THE NBA STILL HAVE "MARKET POWER?" EXPLORING THE ANTITRUST IMPLICATIONS OF AN INCREASINGLY GLOBAL MARKET FOR MEN’S BASKETBALL PLAYER LABOR
Marc Edelman

The National Basketball Association ("NBA") represents perhaps the best test case for expanding the "lack of market power" defense. … NBA teams in 2008 lost between 10% and 16% of their workforce to foreign teams. (See Exhibit I: Movement of NBA Free Agents, 2008–09).8 In addition, as of January 2011, 67 of the NBA’s 450 players (12.7% of the overall league population) were both born and educated in foreign countries. (See Exhibits II, III, & IV: 2011 NBA Players from Overseas).9

This article examines whether, based on the recent globalization of the men’s basketball player market, a court today could find NBA teams to compete, in an antitrust sense, in an international market for men’s professional basketball labor.
V. CONCLUSION

Whether a finder-of-fact would deem the NBA to lack "market power" within an international labor market is a matter of great importance to NBA team-owners, as it affects whether the NBA team-owners, under antitrust law, may unilaterally implement league-wide labor restraints.

Based on the foregoing, however, it remains unsettled whether NBA teams compete in an international market for player labor. From a legal perspective, this uncertainty is due to disagreement about the proper definition of the word "practicable" in a labor market context, and thus uncertainty as to whether it is "practicable" for a professional basketball player to accept employment opportunities overseas.

Perhaps, the best presumption that can be reached at this time is that it would be wise for any men’s professional basketball player that seeks to bring a labor-side antitrust suit against the NBA to avoid doing so in the Ninth Circuit, where the holding of Tanaka seems to support a broad definition of the word "practicable" and thus a strong likelihood that the NBA players would be found to operate within an international labor market…

The Players filed in the Ninth Circuit (Northern CA) and Minn (Eighth Circuit).

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 16, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I like it.

L.A can convince Dwight into coming to Portland as a free agent.

by SonyaBlazer on Nov 16, 2011 10:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

dwight would take one glance at our history with centers

(walton, thompson, bowie, sabonis, duckworth, oden) and run as far away from pdx as possible

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Nov 16, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it would be an either/or situation

and LA makes more sense as I think he’d play better as part of a team then Dwight would, plus LA already played with Rudy and Sergio. One thing you can’t really argue about is how well Rudy and LA played together … unless you didn’t like all the running alley-oops for some ungodly reason.

I know Dwight’s a great player but I’m not really interested in seeing him in a Blazer’s uni … I’ve seen him lose composure way too many times and throw players down in frustration.

by somanluna1 on Nov 16, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

aldridge_12 Lamarcus Aldridge
@Sergogut tell @rudy5fernandez to get me on the team

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Nov 16, 2011 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

Rudy to Real Madrid GM in broken english translation.

Aldridge, is uh, berry gewd at da alley oopz, we can wins championship with him.

Get it done... Paul.

by 420Phenom on Nov 16, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Teams over seas though have to be careful how much of their team they are putting together wish NBA guys

hey may dominate now, but what happens if halfway through there season they make a deal in the NBA and all those players now return and your teams left with all bench players over there. 1 or 2 NBA’ers aren’t going to kill you to lose, but if your starting line up is full of them that would hurt.

by Kazper on Nov 16, 2011 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

From the perspective of the teams over seas.

An established All-Star player would be the best marketing move you could possibly make. The American networks would eat up a Euro basket scene if the best players in the world were competing head to head every night. The worst case would be the NBA and the players make an agreement in two weeks and Aldridge, Serge Ibaka and Rudy Fernandez all leave your team. What would be more likely would be you bring Aldridge over as soon as possible and for a month and a half you enjoy a lot of buzz about your starting lineup that features the three best players at their position on your side of the pond and your team gets a month and a half of on the court coaching from one of the top 15 players in the NBA last season.

TL:DR: If you are Real Madrid, signing Aldridge is what amounts to a bet against the resolution of the NBA lockout.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Nov 16, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

They'd be gone next year (except probably Rudy)

And it could boost interest in both the ACB and Euroleague going into the future. Plus, if the lockout goes all season Regal Barcelona will probably sign the Gasol brothers and you need players that can play at their level if you want to compete. We all know what they can bring separately but together they are like the Spanish version of the Twin Towers, but WAY better. It’ll be interesting to see how the Olympics go next year …

by somanluna1 on Nov 16, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

i wonder how all the euro players feel about their demotions?

im sure its great for their fans to have some NBA players, but what about the guy who was in that position before the NBA guy took it. Just sayin, i bet the euro players cant wait for the lockout to end so they can get back to playing games!Think of all the euros sittin bench right now when only a couple months ago they were starting!

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6793510/nba-overseas-player-movement

by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 16, 2011 2:01 PM PST reply actions  

Hopefully it will push them to play harder so they keep their jobs.

Producing better worldwide basketball in the process.

Get it done... Paul.

by 420Phenom on Nov 16, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

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