NBA's Current Proposal To NBPA Is Released Publicly
On Sunday, the NBA launched a multi-channel initiative at raising awareness regarding their current proposal to the National Basketball Players Association. Included in the effort was a Twitter question and answer session with fans and the following informational slideshow/video uploaded to YouTube.
The slideshow states that the NBA's proposal would "guarantee 50 percent of BRI to players, increase the average player salary, promote spending on free agents and give all teams the chance to compete for a championship." The proposal notes that the NBA would have more mid-level exceptions (with various tiers depending on a team's overall cap number), shorter contracts, a new "stretch" rule for getting out of an unwanted contract, unlimited use of the Bird exception for an incumbent team to retain its players, and an increased trade exception.
Matt Moore of Pro Basketball Talk has a comprehensive recap of the Twitter Q & A here.
The information campaign coincides with the public release of the NBA's current proposal to the NBPA.
Here's a PDF of the NBA's current proposal, dated Nov. 11 and sent to NBPA executive director Billy Hunter, obtained by USA Today.
Howard Beck of The New York Times takes a crack at what life might look like under this proposed CBA.
Contracts would be shorter. Players would become free agents sooner. Making trades would be simpler. The gap between rich and poor teams might be smaller. There might be fewer superteams and more parity, too.
In theory, anyway.
The truth is, no one knows precisely how the N.B.A. will change under a proposed matrix of new regulations, which are now under review by the players union. But the goal - aside from slashing player salaries - is a more vibrant league with more player movement.
The NBPA's executive staff and player representatives, including Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, are meeting on Monday morning in New York City to discuss the proposal and possible amendments.
Thanks to Meru who first posted a link to the NBA's current proposal in the FanShots.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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For true geeks . . .
The NYTimes also posted copies of all three proposals (Nov 6, Nov 10, and the “Reset” proposal):
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/14/sports/basketball/20111114-nba-proposals.html?src=tp
#LetThemVote
So, no super luxury tax for 2 years?
Kind of kills my last big post, huh? Nothing like being relevant!
Also, with rookie scale contracts being proposed to be cut by 12%, it makes Rubio look like a genius for getting his deal done in May.
If I weren’t on vacation, I’d be locked in a room going over details. As it is, my internet access is limited for at least another day…..
I have a question for you Storyteller
I posted in another thread but now that the new offer has been published in detail I’m even more curious. I’m not sure if the players’ latest proposal is available, but I’d be very interested to know what the approximate dollar figure for any given player, per year, is between the 2. LaMarcus, for example, has big plans for this season. Is he willing to risk missing an entire season, in his prime? What’s at stake for him, $200k? A million? What about guys like Kobe and Dirk, who may only have a couple peak years left? My point is, there are 30 owners and hundreds of players. 1/30th of whatever is at stake is a lot bigger than 1/500th. Billy Hunter is negotiating as if the players are a singular unit. But each individual player has so little at stake at this point. I’d really like to see a real dollar breakdown of how much some various players at different levels stand to “lose” if they accept this offer vs actually getting what Billy Hunter thinks they can get.
"She fell in love with the drummer, another and another"
by Cap'n Crash on Nov 13, 2011 11:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There's no rollback of salaries in the owner's proposal
so the only thing that Aldridge – or any other player currently under contract – stands to lose is salary based on missed games.
It’s nearly impossible to try to predict differences for free agent players. Someone like Sebastian Telfair could get the same amount if the MLE was $3 million or $5 million. Someone like Jamal Crawford could get less.
BRI split is an issue for the collective group of players, but system issues apply to individuals. That’s why the system issues are such a big deal to the players. I think Hunter gets that – and it’s why there’s no CBA today.
Not exactly true
The BRI reduction is effectively a salary rollback, because players will have to pay back a greater amount of their escrow in order to meat the new BRI number.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
Correct me if I'm wrong
but the “increase average player salary” has to refer to the median player salary, right? I see no way that you can increase the mean player salary if you’re dropping the player BRI split so dramatically without cutting a large number of player jobs (contraction). If so, that’s a pretty impressive use of weasel words by the NBA, referring to the “average player’s salary” as the “average player salary”.
Unless, of course, they’re just talking about average player salary increasing organically due to normal year on year revenue increases, in which case it’s just pointless to point out.
This is a very interesting move on the owners' part, very smart.
They clearly want the public to see the details of the proposal before the players vote on it (or don’t get the option). If the public deems it to be somewhere in the “reasonable” range, and the players reject it, they’ll lose most of their credibility among the fan base. They can’t pull the “let us play” card anymore. They can go for more drastic measures, but they’ll be pushing it uphill with minimal support outside of the players org itself. OR…. they could just accept this proposal and fit in a 70 game season.
Sounds like it was a calculated risk by the owners. It’ll be interesting to see how it works out.
by Timmay! on Nov 13, 2011 7:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think it was aimed at more than the general public
There’s been a communications breakdown between the NBPA and the players. Guys have been complaining that they have to get info from the media or their agents, and all sorts of rumors have been flying around. This way the league doesn’t have to depend on the union to get a message out.
I have to say, I was a little amused that they decided to break down and use “new media.” The Twitter Q&A and YouTube presentation both seemed somewhat awkward. Next time around, I wonder if we’ll see more slick contemporary PR tricks and fewer pressers with Adam Silver.
#LetThemVote
Very good point, I'd thought about that, then forgot to note it.
It’s very true, it’s a way of communicating directly with the players. I suspect many are watching that video tonight.
No kidding...
That powerpoint show was pathetic. Hell, I can make a better set of slides sitting on my ass watching football. Makes me think that it was a bunch of baby boomers sitting in the hotel bar at the end of the evening putting that thing together.
Good move, though. I applaud (and deeply appreciate) the transparency. I wish the referee assessments were as transparent.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
Public referee assessments would be a terrible idea
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
Here's the big one for me. AMNESTY Rule for current proposal.
14. Amnesty
• Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA (only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.
The key here is “prior to any season of the CBA”. That means the Blazers would have to waive Roy before a season starts and not “try him out” for part or most of a season before exercising amnesty for that season. i.e. if they start the season with him, then they finish that season with him for cap and tax purposes. (This contradicts what Larry Coon tweeted the other day).
Also important for the Blazers. Teams could not make max (or other very high offer) to Oden and then amnesty him later to get out of the deal. That vastly reduces the chances he gets an RFA offer sheet. But it also means the Blazers can’t resign him and then amnesty him later either.
Also interesting is the modified waiver process for Amnestied players.
A modified waiver process would be utilized for players waived pursuant to the Amnesty rule, under which teams with Room under the Cap could submit competing offers to assume some but not all of the player’s remaining contract. If a player’s contract is claimed in this manner, the remaining portion of the player’s salary will continue to be paid by the team that waived him.
This sounds like there would be a bidding process for amnestied players, but teams over the cap could not bid. Hence Roy would not be going to the Lakers.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2011 8:33 PM PST reply actions
Also affecting Oden.
Period for a player’s prior team to match an Offer Sheet that a Restricted Free Agent receives from a new team shortened from 7 to 3 days.
That makes it easier for another team to take a chance and offer Oden a big deal hoping that Paul Allen might not match (but I think he will match darn near anything unless he has solid medical information that Oden will never play effectively again). This change means a team doesn’t drop completely out of the free-agent sweepstakes while waiting for Paul to match, although 3 business days can still stretch out depending on when the offer sheet is made. (Previous 7 day offers tended to stretch to almost 10 days with weekends and filing papers, etc.)
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that really helps the team waiving the player and makes it more likely that Roy is waived.
Bidding will drive up Roy’s price and reduce Paul’s remaining obligation.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
So who's right?
The NBA’s #2 guy,Mr Silver, says the purpose of the new CBA is to restrict player movement and the NYT’s Mr Beck says the aim is to improve player movement.
Silver only said that the need to bring competitive balance is seen by union as restricting movement
The players do not want to exclude tax paying teams from exceptions as was proposed by league. They got $3M instead of nothing as a compromise. Shorter contracts mean more movement possible. New Bird rules and non-bird rules coupled with sign and trade restrictions mean that players who leave will not get the full amount of staying. Sign and trade rules in the past allowed that.
What Silver said was
""We have a philosophical difference and there is a tradeoff between player movement on one hand and competitive balance on the other. We recognize that in order for us to have the kind of competitive balance we want, it restricts player movement to a certain degree," Silver said. "
Players playing Russian roulette with 5 chambers loaded
The NBPA’s executive staff and player representatives, including Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, are meeting on Monday morning in New York City to discuss the proposal and possible amendments.
The owners have made their stand. The players think sending back a no without more amendments will influence the owners. Actually it will more likely empower the hard-liners who think this offer is already way too much. If you owned an asset worth $356 million would you be content to lose money every year instead of getting a return on your investment? This 50-50 split changes the salary cost downward by $266 million while yearly losses were $300 million. To get a return on investment of 4% the players would have to take 34% of BRI.
So the posturing of the union that the players have made all the sacrifices ignores the $1.8 billion over the past six years that the owners have lost. That is their sacrifice. Agreeing to another losing CBA would be stupid. The big market owners want that because it keeps small markets from competing.
Brilliant move by the NBA
Agents completely distorted the facts on this current proposal to get their 200+ players to agree to sign the petition for decertification. That was blatant and ridiculous.
This puts the information out for both players and fans. Many fans will probably recognise this as a pretty sweet deal. Hopefully the players will start double checking what their agents are telling them. That fans know the facts on this proposal just takes away a lot of the cruddy PR cards the players are trying to play.
I am not a wizard on understanding contracts
But this seems to me like a offer that both sides can live with, not necessarily like. I see no reason to keep things going, But, of course I want to see the Blazers play.
IMO, if you start a season with a player, other then being injured you should finish the season with him. One more full year with BRoy would not be that bad in my book, but of course there are many that disagrees with me.
hg
definitely keep roy for another season...
roy could easily turn in a great short season, especially coming off the bench.
Keeping Roy for the season would be a good basketball decision...
…but a terrible business decision – except that the 2-year phase-in of the luxury tax may make the basketball decision compatible with a good business decision….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
Stern is claiming this proposal is non-negotiable...
(link)….but per ESPN, the NBPA would appear to have legitimate “B-list” issues to clear up:
1. Escrow system
2. Development League demotions/pay reductions
3. Year-round drug testing
1. I’m not sure how to take the escrow system proposal by the owners – other than to say that player objections appear to be based on the fact that revenue sharing would be a “hard split” vs. “soft split” enforceable by 10% escrow, reductions in future benefits, etc. If I had to pick a side – I would go with the owners and agree that a mechanism for ensuring conformance with the BRI agreement is reasonable – and the money has to come from somewhere. On the other hand, it would appear that the owners would have a choice to pay higher than 50% in one year, and simply recoup the expenditures the next….how this all plays into salary cap rules (luxury tax, etc.) could be complex…
2. On the D-league issue – I’m on the side of players….forcing a unilateral pay reduction with no limits would be a mechanism for breach of contract and completely bogus for the NBA to propose….this one has “abuse” written all over it…
3. On drug testing – I am also on the side of the players….the owners’ proposal for mandatory random testing in the offseason is unacceptable. I would put a caveat on that statement and agree that any player that fails an in-season test then becomes subject to offseason testing.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I, too, side with the players on issue #2.
The forced paycut from a demotion would arguably be a breech of contract.
In MLB, teams have to pay players with guaranteed contracts their full salaries when they’re demoted to the minor leagues. A recent example of this was Kei Igawa.
On issue #1, I support the owners. For them, having a hard 50-50 BRI split outweighs any systemic issues.
Finally, with regards to drug testing, I don’t care. Perhaps it’s just me, but I don’t care about what the players put into their bodies.
"I Am Mine"
In the off season it would not be a violation to the NBA if a player used a control substance.
Would such a test be used by the law enforcement?
I do not know enough about the effect of steroids in the off season to bulk up or be greater, but if that was the case, I would be for it if that was the only test they performed.
I am in the opinion that steroids leave the body early enough to pass drug test in the playing year, but would a performance drug work after you took it then stopped. Question has been asked about James quite often in my neck of the woods, and I tell them I just don’t know that much about it.
hg
I would certainly feel that it would be a violation of my vacation...
… if my boss wanted me to fly back from some tropical island (or whatever nba players do) in the offseason to take a stupid random drug test.
Regular season? sure. Offseason? that’s not the leagues time, it’s the players.
Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.
I have one question to your assessment
If going to the D league or being waived was an option, would that be so abusive to the player? Stern said it was just for the first 5 years and it was aimed at the 14 and 15th players to give more money to the other 13 players; Do you buy that? Do you think it should be left to the player involved? For me, I would rather take a reduction in pay and play, and be more ready if needed, then sit on the bench the entirety of the year.
Well, I guess that was more then one question :).
hg
What the NBA claims and what will happen are two different things
Any First Rd Draft pick-esp a late First-who doesn’t immediately produce is going to get sent to D-League.He counts towards roster spot,but paying him $75,000 in D-League vs $600,000+ is going to add up.
Second scenario is rookie who performs pretty well and gets his contract extended after 3rd yr and then plays poorly or gets injured. Send him to D-League in his fifth yr and spend $75,000 instead of the $2-5mil you extended him for.(And if the stretch buy-out is in place,use that on his sixth yr and stretch that last yr out over 3 yrs.)
Follow up
Teams have to have at least 13 players on their roster,and the League has to average 14.
Now those late Firsts and Seconds become valuable to teams. You sign a late First and the Second and can send them to D-League for $75,000 each. The min contract used to be @ $450,000,so you are saving anywhere from $700,000 to a mil+ on those two players.
First Rd picks used to have to show their stuff or have the team not pick up their 3 or 4rth yr options. Now teams can automatically pick up their options and keep them in the D-League for yrs cheaply.
NFL practice squad comparison
D-Leaguers could be treated like NFL practice squad players – getting paid to participate – but each are effectively free agents that can be signed to the main roster of a competitor at any time….
The NBA shouldn’t be allowed to control a player at D-League salary scales: if they want those players at that level, it should be under a form of waiver – where the player has the right to pursue contracts with any other team, NBA or overseas….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
A few other interesting points
- Confirmation that the stretch provision could only be used on new contracts – no existing contracts could be waived and stretched
- Teams that use the full MLE, the BAE or receive a sign-and-trade player (in year 3 or later) are prohibited from being over the tax threshold after October 15th
- No team or player options in new contracts where the first year salary is greater than the average player salary
- BYC eliminated except for sign and trades
The "Portland Rule"?
" – No team or player options in new contracts where the first year salary is greater than the average player salary"
This would eliminate Portland’s predation on Utah’s talent….
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 8:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The "Portland Rule"
I like the sound of that..
Nah, what it's saying is
if the first year salary in a new contract is greater than the average player salary, that contract can’t have a team or player option in it. We would still be free to poach on Utah’s talent (albeit less effectively with a lower MLE), but we wouldn’t be able to offer guys like Millsap or WM contracts that have option years in them.
Of course, the ban on “team options” is just window dressing since a non-guaranteed year functions exactly the same way, so you basically just eliminate player options. I have no idea why this is a big deal given that no one forces GMs to offer player option years if they don’t want to, but whatever works, I guess.
Portland's offers to Utah RFA's, such as Mathews, were front-loaded
I believe the offer to Millsap was similarly structured – designed to force Utah to pay more to match than Portland would pay (due to tax)….
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
And, while I may be wrong
I don’t think this has anything to do with that. We could still offer a contract of whatever size/structure, just that if the first year salary is greater than the average player salary, that contract can’t have options in it, and I don’t remember either offer having team or player options in it.
Basically, it’s strictly a limit on contracts with options, eliminating them for any contract that pays above the average salary. Given that eliminating options was a stated goal from earlier, this makes by far the most sense to me, it’s just worded terribly.
You may be right in intent - and the elimination of "toxic" offers only a side effect
…but there is also a question of how signing bonuses affect first year salaries; average salaries and cap hits….(which is my way of asking if anyone has read that far into it – since I haven’t)….
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
"Portland's offers to Utah RFA's, such as Mathews, were front-loaded "
No, not technically.
There’s a difference between a contract with a signing bonus and an actual frontloaded contract.
Anyhow, an example of a contract that both had a signing bonus and was frontloaded is the offer sheet the Chicago Bulls presented J.J. Redick last year.
"I Am Mine"
OKC used the front-loaded deal to re-sign Collison
And several other players have signed decreasing contracts-Hinrich,etc.
I think this is to prevent teams from using a front-loaded deal on a player w/the intent of using the stretch buy-out on last yr of deal. For example,signing a player to a 3yr deal at $5mil,$4.5mil,$4mil and using the stretch on his last yr,leaving cap hits of just $1.33mil over 3 yrs. In effect that final yr really just becomes a signing bonus for the first two yrs.(Think in particular teams over Lux Tax using it on their baby 3 yr MLEs. First yr $3mil,then $2.7,then $2.4. The player essentially gets over 1/2 the money he loses signing a full MLE elsewhere over the two yrs and the club gets a significantly reduced cap hit of just $800,000 over three yrs. It would be illegal to agree to this beforehand,but if it just “happens”…"
Very disappointed in this proposal
It does very little to help align pay and performance, and almost nothing to help level the playing field so that lesser spenders can compete with shrewd management.
First, the failure to limit Bird Rights will be seen as a good thing for small markets who want to retain their good players. However, it creates asymmetrical pressure on them to also re-sign non-franchise players to massive contracts.
Second, the relaxation of restrictions on trades will make it even easier for the big spenders to simply trade expiring contracts to these overpaid, but still productive, players.
Third, requiring a team to be a tax payer four out of five years to qualify for punitive tax basically renders it toothless, especially considering the two year phase-in. If a team is a tax-payer for three years, it will be relatively easy to restructure the roster using trades and the “stretch” provision without making real sacrifices, in my opinion.
Overall, I wasn’t expecting the owners to do much to help competitive balance, and they met my expectations.
i keep dancing on my own.
I disagree
Although modeling the new NBA environment is essentially impossible, I have my suspicions that the tax rules and a “hard” BRI spllit will be the driving forces for competitive balance….Relaxation of trade rules doesn’t really matter when there is an effective hard cap in place….
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
How is this an "effective hard cap?"
Basically the tax rules are the same as they were under the old CBA until a team does that for four out of five years. I anticipate that a combination of the “stretch” rule, creative contract structuring and well-timed trades will allow teams to avoid this punitive tax without sacrificing their ability to make financial clout count. And in any case, no team will pay the punitive tax for at least 6 years, which is when the players can opt out of the CBA anyway!
i keep dancing on my own.
"And in any case, no team will pay the punitive tax for at least 6 years, which is when the players can opt out of the CBA anyway!"
I didn’t catch the six year phase in – thought it was 2 years. However, this would expose a potentially serious flaw in the NBA proposal regarding the BRI split:
What happens if owner A decides to overspend without restriction, and thereby singlehandedly increases player BRI above 50% (50/50 scenario)?
With the owners’ escrow proposal, they simply recoup any current year exceedences from escrow or even via benefit reduction, so that over the life of the CBA, they still get their 50/50 split. But if there really is no hard cap, and no punitive tax – then rogue owners would still have the capacity to stress the system and create inequalities (a condition you are opposing, if I am correct?)
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Nov 14, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
There will always be that pressure to overpay to keep "non-franchise players"
regardless of bird rights just as a result of fans perception/marketing reality, etc. However, teams have plenty of leverage with RFA’s and QOs that they can use as a counter, and well-managed teams don’t succumb to it. How much better off are the Bulls without Ben Gordon’s millstone of a contract than they’d be if they had just re-signed him because he was their best player back in 2006/2007? You can only do so much to save GMs from themselves, and poorly managed teams are just a fact of life right now.
Admittedly, I really don’t have much hope on this front after seeing the “sample roster” in the slideshow. They really expect your average NBA team to have not only a “superstar” caliber player, but an “all star” as well? Even being generous in the definition of “super star”, at most ten teams (nine, really, since LBJ and Wade are both on the same team) could legitimately claim to follow that structure, and yet it’s clear that NBA decision makers have that general structure in mind for roster construction in general. The best player deserves the max, 2nd best ~$15MM, etc., regardless of whether they actually deserve that salary overall.
This kind of stuff anoys the snot out of me.
Yo, if you’re going to be a player rep, do your job!
David Aldridge: Awaiting @TheNBPA meeting in NYC this morning. Ran into player on the way. He said he still hadn’t heard from his team’s player rep. SMH.
A. Sherrod Blakely: Spoke to a player last night who didn’t know there are 3 different MLEs in new proposal. Have to wonder how informed are these players on what they’re being offered.
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