Portland Trail Blazers All-Time Most Disappointing Acquisitions #7: Martell Webster
On Friday we covered the Blazers' first-ever lottery selection, Sebastian Telfair. In 2004-05, the season following Telfair's arrival, Portland managed only 27 victories, exponentially worse than the season before. This earned them an instant re-do in lottery land...except this time it was serious. The Blazers weren't drafting in the mid-teens in 2005. They were sitting pretty at #3 overall. Center Andrew Bogut was out of reach. Conventional wisdom had North Carolina star Marvin Williams going first or second as well. But beyond that the field was Portland's for the picking. The remaining talent wasn't ranked uniformly but plenty of names floated the airwaves as the next Blazers star. "Star" is exactly what fans expected, too. Only five times in its 35-year history had franchise selected higher and four of those had come in their first dozen years of existence. This was big. This player would define a generation.
Anticipation was thick leading up to draft night. Then the reports came across the wire: the Blazers were moving down, trading their pick for Utah's #6 and a late-round selection. The public reaction wasn't shock as much as puzzlement. They didn't like anybody at the third spot? Wheels turned and head scratching morphed into curiosity. The team must have specifically targeted a player all along and knew that other teams wouldn't be interested enough to take him. Who was that guy? What kind of counter-intuitive genius was at work here?
Portland fans waited through the ensuing picks. Bogut and Marvin Williams went 1 and 2, as expected. Then the Jazz took Deron Williams with the third pick. This was actually considered a reach by many experts, as Williams was guaranteed to be good but wasn't thought of as a superstar...certainly not as much as the dynamic point guard selected at #4: Chris Paul. A third point guard, Raymond Felton, went #5. And then came the big moment. With the 6th pick of the 2005 NBA Draft, with their highest selection in 21 years, the Blazers would pin their franchise hopes on...
Martell Webster of Seattle Preparatory School.
Like Telfair in 2004, like Travis Outlaw in 2003, like Qyntel Woods in 2002, Webster was a high-school graduate with zero years of college experience. The paucity of his body of work was balanced by an impressive actual body for a 19-year-old...NBA material for sure. He was cut like a diamond. His shot was supposed to be pure as snow. 99% of the viewing public hadn't seen him play but the Blazers had to know what they were doing, right? They'd learned from those earlier picks for sure, right? If they took a high school guy yet again, trading down three positions in the process, the master plan must be brilliant, right?
Webster's rookie season wasn't bad. His 40% overall shooting clip was a tad disappointing but he took over half of his shots from beyond the arc. 36% from distance was a shade more mediocre than expected but his form sure looked nice. His defense was painful to watch but he was a rookie. Team reports painted him as a chronic hard worker. The media portrayed his laser focus on eventual All-Stardom. His personality wasn't offensive. That was enough to keep people more excited than 6 points and 2 rebounds per game would indicate.
And then Webster plateaued. He still wasn't bad. He just never got any better. His second season was a small step backwards with coaches reportedly frustrated by his lack of learning and attention to detail. His third season saw him take more responsibility as a member of the starting lineup. His defense improved from abysmal to decent and his shooting percentages rose a few points but his per-minute stats were no different than they had been his first year. By this time his thunder had been stolen by two other draft picks anyway: Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge. With the return of an injured Greg Oden on the horizon few people remembered Webster even existed, let alone that he had once been considered a potential savior. Losing all but 5 minutes of his fourth season to injury cemented that status. The loss of his actual spot followed the loss of his spiritual one as young forward Nicolas Batum endeared himself to coaches and fans with defense and an occasional flair that Webster lacked, even when healthy.
To be fair, Webster prospered when made the focal point of the offense. His dribble drive wasn't good enough to justify giving him that position though. He was brilliant when set up but the team wasn't geared to provide that opportunity.
Webster's curtain call came in 2009-10 in which he played all 82 games, his minutes boosted by Batum's absence due to injury. It was a decent season, his best to that point. But with a younger, cheaper, and perhaps better version of himself at the same position Martell's days in Portland were numbered. He was traded on draft day 2010 to the Minnesota Timberwolves for middling pick Luke Babbitt and a soon-to-be-waived Ryan Gomes...steep depreciation for a five-year rental. Webster managed 8.5 points per game on 41% shooting in his Portland career, picking up a little defense on the way. It wasn't horrible but it was a far cry from expected return on a #3 overall pick.
Normally it's futile to look back at "could have beens" when considering draft history but with Webster it's all but mandated. It's an integral part of the story and perhaps his most enduring legacy in Portland. Sebastian Telfair may have been an accessory to the crime of the Blazers missing out on a point guard of the century but Martell Webster was caught red-handed, confession on record. The Blazers have shuffled and drafted point guards repeatedly since the 2005 draft, never once getting close to a player of Williams' or Paul's caliber. Their PG carousel just landed on Felton, the third point guard they missed out on in 2005. Other names on the board at #6 that year: Danny Granger, Andrew Bynum, Monta Ellis, and David Lee. Some rightfully claim that taking Paul or Williams would have changed Portland's history, making the acquisition of future stars Roy and Aldridge less likely. Fair enough, but how might taking Bynum (far less of an impact player) have changed the fateful decisions of the 2007 draft? You can twist yourself in knots this way. But that's what the name "Martell Webster" evokes: speculation, stomach knots, then shrugs and "Oh well."
For becoming the Grand Marshal of the parade of underwhelming high school picks that preceded him, for the litany of "what ifs" left in his wake, and for his inability to compensate (even in the most rudimentary ways) for the opportunity cost of drafting him, Martell Webster earns the #7 position on our list of all-time disappointing acquisitions.
As always, agree or disagree about presence and precedence in the comment section.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Disclaimer: I like Martell, like his game and him as a person, so yeah, I’m biased. You’re biased. We’re all biased.
That said: I don’t think this is entirely fair. He was on a bad team and suffered injuries he couldn’t help; he still struggles with that today. Sure, injuries are disappointing. (I know the Oden post is coming soon; I won’t read it.) But Martell proved he can be a reliable player on both ends of the floor when Roy was injured.
For the first time, I’m sort of wondering, “Why go through a list like this, Dave?” I say that with nothing but respect for you and your work. Just being honest.
This one was sad
And Martell was reliable. He was just reliable at an exponentially lower level than expected and than, say, Chris Paul or Deron Williams.
—Dave
Is Rudy next?
Will BRoy/Oden be on this list? Or is this only for Blazers who have come and gone?
Rudy:
You’ll have to see on the others. The list is kept in a top-secret vault guarded by rabid hyenas and Nicolas Batum’s agent.
—Dave
hmm thought i was keeping up
guess I missed that one.
Hope PJ Carlesimo is on the list
Boy, that was heralded like a coup and turned out awful.
by FlyingOutlaw on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Not Martell’s fault, but he has to be on the list based on the hype and what could have been done with that pick.
long live the jd.
One of the most fascinating things about doing this
has been figuring out the different ways to define “disappointing” and trying to weigh which mattered most. Martell certainly wasn’t a bad player nor one you’d regret. Neither was he a big emotional letdown like some on the list have been. On the other hand his circumstances pretty much made him someone to talk about. Although perhaps the disappointment should go to those who ran that draft.
Also the history of these things is interesting. You forget, for instance, that the Blazers burned their top picks on high school graduates four years straight. That’s pretty amazing, especially when none of them truly panned out. Those non-obvious high school picks are like an investment. You sweat out the first couple years and hope they come out shining. The Blazers did a ton of sweating out for very little return.
—Dave
mercifully they stopped the high school draft program,
I hope that continues. Players are simply better off getting some college. The few possible exceptions to this rule simiply don’t warrant opening the door to the majority who are not.
I would go with a minimum two years college or age 20 cut off. Even Durant would have probably developed at least as well dominating another year at Texas before going pro.
Wake me when the game is on.
".. like Qyntel Woods in 2002, Webster was a high-school graduate with zero years of college experience"
Correct me if this is wrong, but I believe Qyntel Woods had a couple years in community college.
-Jack
Sorry, I'll clarify
“zero years of COLLEGE experience”.
—Dave
by Dave on Oct 10, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
All things considered, they got Martell AND Jarrett Jack by trading down (via Linas Kleiza and own 2nd round pick Ricky Sanchez)
They also got the 2006 pick that became Joel Freeland. Still not worth a Chris Paul.
I still remember his 24-point third quarter against Utah.
If only he could have kept up production like that!
Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Williams, Duckworth. The greatest starting 5 ever.
That was unreal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVXnJDBtnI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Talk about being in the zone. This is when I became a fan of his which was frustrating since it was all downhill from here.
remember pulling out a victory in LA, 2010
A game we should have won, but due to some crappy calls (can’t remember… maybe one of those no calls when Fisher just bowls into bigger players), we’re down with under a minute.
Martell manages to get fouled from the 3 point line twice in a row. Makes all six free throws and the Blazers win at Staples!
A Blazer Miracle? Maybe, or maybe just an ugly victory. That was either right before or after the Lakers finally beat us in Portland. They beat us without Kobe, then we beat them without Roy!
Martell! We owe him a little credit for our injury riddled success of 2010!
That was the also infamous game where Roy tore his meniscus.
And yep, a very memorable ending. A complete brain fade on LA’s part (wasn’t it Blake who fouled him?)
no, Blake was either on PDX or LAC that year
"Well, you can always sell your team."
A guess at the top 6 (off the top of my head)
For me, four fairly obvious ones come to mind:
Larue Martin
Sam Bowie
Greg Oden
Shawn Kemp
(in no particular order)
I’m struggling on the others…
Kiki Vandeweghe? (good player, but no D and we gave up soooo much for him)
Sidney Wicks? (good stats, but a headcase)
Wally Walker? (a true bust for a top five pick and we gave him away to Seattle the next season, but who cares, we were the 50-10 Blazers back then)
Ron Brewer? (similar to Wally Who although I think we got a #1 out of him… but the sad part was that pick was supposed to be Larry Bird)
JR Rider? (waste of talent, but we got him for cheap and we traded him for Smitty, so no regrets on that front)
I guess I’ll go Larue #1, Bowie #2, Oden #3 (‘cuz he can still redeem himself), Kemp #4, Wicks #5, Kiki #6. But I’m probably forgetting or misremembering someone…
"Ted Thompson's running Brett Favre out of Green Bay was the biggest mistake by a GM in the history of the league."
-Skip Bayless, November 2008
by The Cactus Leaguer on Oct 9, 2011 11:00 PM PDT reply actions
I'm still not convinced Kemp will be listed, because expectations were falling like a rock by the time he arrived
I expect Wicks to be there.
JR Rider is an interesting case.
falling like a rock
That’s one way to put it.
"Ted Thompson's running Brett Favre out of Green Bay was the biggest mistake by a GM in the history of the league."
-Skip Bayless, November 2008
by The Cactus Leaguer on Oct 9, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
By 2000, Shawn Kemp was doing more lines off the court than on it.
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by AK1984 on Oct 9, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
well, we paid Brian Grant for him,
which creates expectations of ‘greater or equal value’ → big disappointment.
Wake me when the game is on.
I think Oden has to be #1
When he was drafted, it was a question of how many titles the franchise would win, not if it would happen. Modern day Bill Russell was thrown around. Instead, the guy who went #2 is now the scoring champ, media darling, and re-upped with his small market team (something that hasn’t happened with GO), and Oden’s claims to fame are injuries and a place on the lexicon of the dangers of sexting. If he goes on to be productive in another uniform, it makes it even worse from the Blazers perspective
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
by blazeraddict on Oct 9, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be
I think Larue/Bowie/Oden stand above the rest in stature and disappointment level. I guess I had Oden #3 because the story isn’t finished. Also, losing out on MJ>>>>>losing out on Durant, by a mile.
"Ted Thompson's running Brett Favre out of Green Bay was the biggest mistake by a GM in the history of the league."
-Skip Bayless, November 2008
by The Cactus Leaguer on Oct 9, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Only reason I think Oden isn't on this list
is because he is still a Blazer. His history with the franchise hasn’t been completely written. You could easily say he has been disappointing up to now, but nothing is set in stone that there won’t be rings to come.
Oden has to be on the list
He simply has to be. The chances of him erasing the disappointment of his first 5 yrs for Blazer fans are miniscule at best, but more importantly, the disappointment that has been his first 5 yrs in the league rival any other saga in Blazer history. As I said in a previous post, Greg is a virtually unprecedented combination of circumstance, hype, expectations, and utter inability to get on the court.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Oct 10, 2011 9:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I kind of agree with you
as I said, he has be nothing but a disappointment so far. However, history is still there to be written. Even if Greg can bring us one championship I think it rights the wrongs. Just like it has been said for Bill Walton.
you make it sound like bringing us a championship is an easy thing : )
But I do agree that doing so would wipe away the disappointment…although I don’t think anything less does, and I think there’s a very real chance he’s either not here to do it or never healthy enough to do it. Maybe Dave can do this exercise again a decade from now and the list will be different, but as of this point in time, leaving Greg off the list would be irresponsible. After all, theoretically Martell could get traded back to Portland and average 20 ppg, but he won’t.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Oct 10, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess being a fan of the same team
that was led to a championship by Walton for some reason makes me think Oden has an equal chance.
I hope you're right
nothing would make me happier than seeing a healthy Greg on the court making a big difference for our Blazers
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Eddy Curry wasn't that heavily hyped.
Heading up to the 2001 NBA Draft, it was Tyson Chandler who received the most hype. More than not only Curry, but also Kwame Brown.
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"Modern day Bill Russell was thrown around."
I never did understand that comparison, although you’re right that it was bandied about by some people.
At Ohio State, Greg Oden looked like Georgetown era Patrick Ewing. Once Oden hit the NBA hardwood, he was kind of like a young Artis Gilmore — especially as a strong low-post presence and ultra-efficient back-to-the-basket scorer — yet, the big galoot could only manage to do it in small doses when he was healthy, which has been only on rare occasions.
It’s sad, too, because I had extremely high expectations for Oden, which last even to this day. If his body can hold up and he learns to cut down on the fouls, he’s got a ton of potential. Yet, as each day goes by, it’s getting harder and harder to hold out hope. By now, my belief that Oden can put all of his outstanding talent together — no matter if he does so in Portland or somewhere else — is just a faint, dim glimmer.
I still don’t think all that highly of Kevin Durant, though, and steadfastly believe the OKC Thunder will only go as far as Russell Westbrook can take them. And yeah, I realize I’m in the small minority on that one.
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You must watch a lot of ESPN Classic
I’m jealous, by the way. Your grasp of basketball history is amazing.
you are not seriously disappointed with Roy lately ?
Admittedly his early excellence increased the disappointment, but serious disappointment none the less.
Oden – Roy could be a serious 1-2 punch, and a lockout: what fun.
Wake me when the game is on.
'Sheed?
Great team player. The game seemed to be effortless for him. A lot of people believed that if he applied himself he would dominate the league. Maybe he just made everything he did seem easier than it was. I think he deserves to be on the list though.
by eloi on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That whole team could make this list
for the most part.
Reading this whole discussion makes me believe that the rest of this list will be VERY interesting...
… because some well deserving players are going to get left off the list.
Either that, or the labor dispute will get settled and we’ll forget about these painful reminders of the past.
"Ted Thompson's running Brett Favre out of Green Bay was the biggest mistake by a GM in the history of the league."
-Skip Bayless, November 2008
by The Cactus Leaguer on Oct 10, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think one of the top disappointments is also one of the best players of all time
Brandon Roy.
The contract, the hopes of continuity. That has to contribute to a heckofa disappointment. Or so it is for me.
By that criteria, Walton is #1 by far.
"Ted Thompson's running Brett Favre out of Green Bay was the biggest mistake by a GM in the history of the league."
-Skip Bayless, November 2008
by The Cactus Leaguer on Oct 9, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
While Walton is arguably one of the biggest Blazer disappointments ever, after 1978
Leading the team to a championship automatically erases all disappointment.
That’s sort of true, but bringing the franchise out of the Jailblazer depths alone keeps Roy off of this list as well, in the long run.
"Ted Thompson's running Brett Favre out of Green Bay was the biggest mistake by a GM in the history of the league."
-Skip Bayless, November 2008
by The Cactus Leaguer on Oct 10, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
not so sure about that
He hasn’t led us out of the first round yet. Pulling us out of the Jailblazer era was a team effort involving a lot of players, coaches, and front office – I actually think Nate deserves a lot of the credit on that count, along with KP. And of course Mr. Allen, who ultimately ate a LOT of contract money to dump Miles and ZBo. So I don’t think being the face of the team that came out of that era in any way equates to winning a title, like Walton
all that said, I wouldn’t put Roy in the top 7, but for different reasons. If he was to be on this list, I think it would have to be in the teens somewhere. Ultimately, it wasn’t like he was expected to be a mutli-time all star when we got him. good player yes, most ready pro in the draft, yes. but for about 4 seasons, he turned out to be MORE than expected – some would say a lot more. Is it a disappointment now? sure. but compared to initial expectations, not really by much.
"Well, you can always sell your team."
Hard to believe, but one mock draft shows it could've been worse than Martell Webster.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/06/27/mock.draft/index.html
Webster, however, was still a downright bust. There’s absolutely no way around that, either.
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And they were actually drafted in the exact opposite spots
Thomsen was just throwing out freaky-athletic high school kids’ names at that point.
by FlyingOutlaw on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats a interesting mock to look back on
High on Granger, called Frye a “true center” Hah. Monta Ellis reminds him of Sam Cassell?
Get it done... Paul.
At least he put him in the first round, way ahead of where he actually was taken (40)
He probably reminded most GMs and writers of nobody in particular at that time, and thus he dropped behind so many guards who went on to become multiple-time all-stars such as Rashad McCants, Julius Hodge, Luther Head, Salim Stoudamire, the great Daniel Ewing, and who could forget Travis “CP3” Diener and Von “Kobe” Wafer. At least he beat out that bum Lou Williams who also didn’t amount to anything in the NBA. Scouting is a science!
Hehe, I like this one
Fran Vazquez Spain — 6-10 238
Pacers snap up this plummeting big man, who will contribute immediately to their title push.
No to a Pacers title push, and no to Vazquez contributing anything to anybody, much less immediately. But well, wasn’t easy to predict since he also could have developed into another Gasol.
"how might taking Bynum [...] have changed the fateful decisions of the 2007 draft?"
From DraftExpress, here’s an interesting report about Portland, Andrew Bynum, and the 2005 NBA Draft.
“Bynum worked out for both the Blazers and Lakers twice, with one secret workout which was never reported to go around for each team, and received a promise that he would ‘not slip past the tenth pick.’ According to sources, Bynum was in the mix for the Portland pick at #6, but John Nash was reportedly afraid of being criticized for taking the high school kid that early.”
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2005-NBA-Draft-Grades-1029/
In that same article, here’s Jonathan Givony’s thoughts on the Trail Blazers selection of Martell Webster.
“Portland starts off from a negative standpoint in my eyes as they really allowed themselves to get low balled in return for the #3 pick. For them to move down three spots and then also reach for the 3rd or 4th best high school player in his class, while only picking up 2 late first rounders in the process seems like the kind of move that only someone desperate would make.”
Looks like Givony called that one.
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by AK1984 on Oct 10, 2011 12:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yay
another patternash pick.
i can’t complain too much about the pick though, as i wanted us to select gerald green.
PHILLY!
Future all-time most disappointing acquisitions?
I bet both Andre and Blakey will be on this list.
by lawalteral14 on Oct 10, 2011 7:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Martell had injured his foot once or twice in high school
It’s always surprised me that nobody ever reports that Martell came to the Blazers with a previously injured foot. It is something that the front office should have known about and should have been criticized about.
Yeah, of course, I love both of them to death.
by lawalteral14 on Oct 10, 2011 10:06 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I agree that he belongs on this list.
But I would put him higher, like #3. I have loved these daily write ups Dave. You are awesome!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
That pre-season game where he go injured
I thought he looked as good as any player I’ve ever watched. I remember two of his break-away dunks that could only be desribed as poetry in motion or a thing of beauty.
by SandyTrailBlazer on Oct 22, 2011 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
If Martell is on this list, I think Bayless should be as well...
I know I’m not the only one that had huge expectations of him. And like Webster, just when you might be ready to agree with the haters, they’d have a monster game or moment. Like Bayless game against the Spurs or against the Celts. And no matter what anyone says, I thought Webster always played a hell of a game against LA. Maybe he didn’t score consistently always, but He’d really step up his defense against Kobe.
by SandyTrailBlazer on Oct 22, 2011 11:09 AM PDT reply actions

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