Roy Talk
Dave,
I can't believe how many times Brandon Roy got mentioned during the rundown of most disappointing Blazers. In 2009 he was the franchise savior. Now he's an all-time disappointment? That's [bovine fertilizing material]. Blazer fans have SHORT MEMORIES!
Well, it depends on how you look at it, doesn't it?
Right now, in 2011, Brandon Roy does stand as a disappointment. You only have to watch him play on those gimpy knees to see it. His acrobatics used to bring a thrill to the heart. Now every time he touches the ball it's like a knot in your stomach. For a guy who, as you put it, was the franchise savior two years ago that's a huge letdown...maybe one of the saddest stories I've encountered with the Blazers outside of Greg Oden and Sam Bowie. I mean, at least we got to see Brandon play at full strength. We never did with Sam and we may not with Greg.
As his play declined there have been rumors and quotes of some disgruntlement, perhaps leading fans to put extra mustard on the sausage of disappointment. Personally I'd be frustrated too, so I don't put much weight on those. Plus even in the cold, stark void of a lockout when zero other NBA news is going on I can't tell whether Paul Allen effectively ended a speech to the player's union with "U mad, bro?" or stayed silent and didn't even address them. Therefore I'm not really eager to interpret Roy's responses to what is undoubtedly a complex issue personally and for the team through quotes and snippets.
Let's just say that in the immediate view I completely understand calling Roy's situation disappointing, if not his play. There's more than enough grounds...and this is without blaming anything but the injuries which appear to have dimmed once-boundless promise.
In the long-term view Roy has to be seen as a bonus to this team, even if a short-lived one. Forget Rookie of the Year in '06-'07. What he managed in 2008-09 and 2009-10 was amazing. Great shooting, potent offense, brilliant games saved...those years alone earned him a place on a short list comprised of Walton, Lucas, Drexler, and 'Sheed (maybe a couple others): players who could, and consistently did, take over games and bend them to Blazer victories. This dude was deep-dish brilliant covered with extra cheese.
Go three spaces up or down from Roy's draft position and you'll find Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Randy Foye, and Patrick O'Bryant. It wasn't like everybody in the lottery made good in 2006. For a guy drafted in the 6 or 7 position Roy's early production easily exceeded expectations.
Roy will also be looked upon kindly when the cultural history of the team is examined. He was THE on-court figure pulling the franchise out of the Jailblazers era. Roy even made up for Oden's absence after the deafening roar heralding Greg's arrival. Let's pretend a random franchise went through six years of the worst P.R. hell a pro sports team had ever seen, they they won the Greg Oden lottery as a seeming reward for all the suffering, then Oden goes down and brings back the suffering in a new guise. Fans would be walking into the ocean with bowling ball galoshes. Portland fans were able to shrug it off--indeed the fan base grew during that period--because of Brandon Roy. The honest refrain was, "It's OK. We'll just be good this year, then great in years to come." Nobody makes that kind of cultural transition that strongly and quickly. Most of it was on Roy's shoulders.
Right now, on Monday, October 24th, 2011 Brandon Roy is a Blazer disappointment story. Two decades from now looking back he'll be considered a blessing. Memories aren't short. They just need time to be revealed.
In other words, anger at fans aside, you're right...just not right now.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Don't Pick on Roy!
Let’s stop picking on the poor guy. If we miss The 2011-12 season, Roy could come back healthier. Let’s stop picking the guy until he hang his shoes up. The Blazers still have Wes Mathews the starting guard. He had done a good job at that spot.
Finally, Roy still could be a 15 minute guy in the NBA to produce the max of his play.
Brandon Roy / Chris Webber
This sounds familiar to me. Roy was the franchise, as was Webber. When Webber/Roy attempted to come back from injury, they were criticized in some circles for being selfish, when in fact they could have determined to never come back and pocket their guaranteed money. Roy will likely be cast out just as Webber was traded out of Sacramento, with the bittersweet feelings of a job not quite completely done.
Today, Webber’s jersey hangs in the rafters in Sacramento, appropriately retired. I hope that the future holds the same for Brandon Roy. He was the face of a reborn franchise, and an absolute honor and pleasure to watch.
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by section214 on Oct 23, 2011 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
well played dave
nothing sounds like disappointment to me like your favorite player, all around good guy and emerging superstar sequestered to bench play with loss of quickness and confidence. His performance in the playoffs though blew me away. hopefully he comes back
Roy can certainly never be thought of as a disappointing acquisition. Relative to what we gave up, getting him was a huge boon. However, relative, to what we thought he could be when he signed the extension, he’s been a gargantuan disappointment, through little to no fault of his own. Just two different ways of looking at.
Still a great Blazer in my opinion.
long live the jd.
I just finally have to add my 50 cents to this 'disappointment' talk
I dont know all the guys on the top15 list but have watched maybe half or so in action.
Dave likes to call players disappointments that haven’t lived up to their expectations or maybe to the paycheck they received while in Blazer uniform.
Well, Dave I’m sure that at the end of the day none of them care one bit whether you’re disappointed or not.
You know what I’m disappointed about?
My BMW’s engine died a couple months ago, after 200,000 miles of service and now I’m stuck without a car. I lost a lot of money during the recession. Those are disappointments.
A professional athlete not living up to your expectations is not.
These guys put all their effort into their job every day just to be put down by a guy that WRITES ABOUT SPORTS.
It’s not a disappointment when a human being struggles with injury, difficult circumstances in a new culture or smoking certain herbs just like half the country does.
It’s life. It’s people’s choices. And life throws you oddballs sometimes and it’s a struggle and finally some of us realize that the path is our destiny.
Whether our jerseys be retired in your drafters or not.
We still win, because we persevere.
I think it’s a disgrace to make a list like that, and proof of low character and maybe low self esteem.
What are you good at? Typing blogs? Watching TV? My 4-year old knows how to do that.
Life is short my friend, so get real.
by wiebster on Oct 23, 2011 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
context of the website
This is Blazersedge, we can discuss things like that during a lockout…there’s nothing wrong with it. I thought it was a great series.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Oct 23, 2011 11:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed, it was a great series
these stories are an important part of the team’s history and for me it has been a great series simply for the chance to revisit, remember, and learn parts of the team’s history. we are all sports writers in our own way, we all re-tell the story the next day and is what makes sports relevant. stories of disappointment and struggle are valid and important and worth revisiting.
by clearcutusa on Oct 23, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
tone it down
google defines disappointment as “the feeling of sadness or displeasure caused by the nonfulfillment of one’s hopes or expectations.” i don’t think there is anyone on this site who believes that basketball isn’t a big deal in the grand scheme of life more than dave. your opinion is as important as that of anyone else. meaning… write a comment and we’ll read it just like we read the blogpost.
And I thought I'd posted some screeds wasted
Steve Goodman lives.
by twinsbrewer on Oct 24, 2011 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
"My 4-year old knows how to do that."
A pre-school kid who can manage a popular blog owned by a major company would be a pretty impressive young lad.
"I Am Mine"
by AK1984 on Oct 24, 2011 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm disappointed you assumed the child was a he
I’m disappointed that the kid watches too much TV. Dissapointments all around. :(
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Oct 24, 2011 9:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I’m a Blazer’s fan because I love the team, and obviously seeing them Champions again would be ideal, but I’m a sports fan because of the stories that a season delivers and that is more important year in year out then if the team has made it all the way. The Blazer’s right now are a great team to follow for this reason, and in this regard Roy is never disappointing. He was amazing when he was amazing because he was amazing, but to watch him struggle with injury, while hard, is for me a more compelling story. His game in playoffs last year is easily one of my all time favorite Blazer games. As you say so well Roy is a historically defining member of the Blazers. He has already indelibly made his mark in franchise history and he remains relevant even now. Not getting to see how he fares this season is one of the things I am missing most while waiting through this lock out. As a basket ball fan I look forward to watching the rest of Roy’s career where ever the league may take him. (Personally, I hope he’s in Portland for a long time but I realize thats complicated.)
And for the record it’s players like Rudy Fernandez as a recent example who have been disappointments for me. A guy you want to get behind who never fits in and is never there for the team the way they need to be. It’s disappointing because of the situation, disappointing to see players frustrated and stuck and under preforming. I wish him the best and hope he has a long all-star career in Spain as he should.
I beleive in Brandon Roy.
Short memories is right. GAME 4 PEOPLE! HELLO!!!!
"Im ready for a fight..." -Joel Przybilla
by KillaPrzydollaBILLA on Oct 23, 2011 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm disappointed...
…but Brandon is NOT a disappointment!
That may sound like a contradiction but there is a difference to me. It is tough that #7 has physical problems that may greatly reduce his future contribution but the real tragedy would have been if we never got to have him wear the pinwheel.
I also have to say that I would rather ride out The Natural’s contract no matter what he contributes then use some magic pill to get rid of him so we can add somebody else. I absolutely understand how emotional and soft that sounds in the analytic and harsh world of professional sports but it’s how I feel. Seeing Brandon in another uniform would take a lot of the fun out of the game for me… and to us fans… it IS just a game.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
by Ilikeemall on Oct 23, 2011 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm with you 100%
It was disappointing to see BRoy struggle with pain to produce, but that does not make me disappointed in him; it makes me proud of him. I am disappointed that his career is in jeopardy, but not disappointed in him for still giving it all. If he had just dropped out of sight (with an ache, as in tooth ache), then ya, I would be disappointed. He is not dead yet, he is still actively trying to get his game back to something. As long as he is trying, I can’t be disappointed. I wasn’t disappointed when my boy tried to ride a bike and crashed, cut him up, but got back on again to try to learn to ride better.
Like Ilikemail, I would be disappointed in seeing him in another team’s uniform, not disappointed in him but disappointed in the Blazers for abandoning him
hg
at this point what does it matter - he's going to get "amnestied" as soon as the new deal is done
I’ve read a lot about the lockout negotiations, and one consistent fact is that when the deal is done, there WILL be a one-time amnesty clause, which ont only removes the salary from the luxury tax but the salary cap altogether. From what I understand, regardless of when they get it done and what the structure is, that will be part of it.
And it’s a no-brainer to amnesty Roy. It’s a move the franchise has to make for the franchise. The only thing worse than Roy’s downfall would be to have to be punished for it until the end of his contract. They can cut him, and use whatever money is left under the yet-to-be-determined (hard?) cap to fill out other needs. I love Brandon as much as anyone else, but I love the Blazers more, and this needs to happen for the good of the franchise.
by rip_city_swagger on Oct 24, 2011 1:23 AM PDT reply actions
Have you got PA word on that?
There is as many reason’s to keep him as there is reason’s to amnesty BRoy. It may be a no- brainer to you to throw him away but it is a no brainer to me to keep him until we see what he can produce after healing. After that, get what we can out of him which may be still pretty good. As far as loving the Blazers more, I stipulate that you are saying that you love the chances of a championship more then any player. To me the players are the Blazers, as is. So, to me you are saying you love the Blazers more then you do the Blazers, which is a head scratcher.
Of course, I realize that Blazer players has to be sacrificed to fit the system. But it would be a no-brainer to wait and see what we are dropping before we do it. Remember the same amount of money is coming out of PA pocket, he would just be paying him not to play, plus the extra money to replace him. Therefore in my book it still matters.
hg
Roy won't get Amnestied,he's going to get Stretched
Assuming the Stretch Buy-out is part of the CBA,the Blazers will use that on Roy.
Whatever the reality of where Roy’s knees and game are at,money is also a huge factor.
If Roy’s bought out Mr Allen has to pay this yr’s salary,the remaining three yrs-and his replacement’s salary. While every game lost is $180,000+ not having to chip for his buy-out,it’s also some $900,000+ Mr Allen is not paying overall in salaries. Knock off 20% of the season and Roy’s salary this yr is paid for(actually less than 20% is needed because of prorating,but for argument’s sake use 20%.) While this seems like an argument for buying out Roy,let’s examine the Stretch Option.
The Blazers do not buy-out Roy this yr and keep a huge part of fan base’s goodwill. They get the shortened season to see exactly where he’s at physically.
If it’s become apparent to the team that Roy has declined to point he’s a bench player at best,they can then do a Stretch buy-out(SBO from here on).. If the team can stretch his buy-out(and cap hit) for let’s say 3 times the remainder of the contract,then it’s a cap hit of between $5.5 and $6mil(depending on whether the last yr is just 75% guaranteed)for 9 long yrs. BUT,to be brutal,will Mr Allen still be owning the team 5,6,7 yrs from now? Then there’s the new TV deal coming in 5 yrs. While the Lock-out is likely knocking major chunks off that,a 25% increase is not unrealistic. The extra $7-8mil in TV revenue will more than offset the payments-and cap hits-over the last 5 yrs of the buy-out.(And,assuming teams don’t have to put the full amount into an escrow account,there’s paying 2012/3 obligations w/2016 dollars.)
Using the SBO would still knock anywhere from $8 to 10mil off the Cap next yr,leaving plenty of room to re-sign Oden,Felton(if desired) or spend the money elsewhere.
For the Blazers the SBO is a beautiful life-line.
They don’t have to face the PR nightmare of immediately dumping a hugely beloved player just after an ugly Lock-out ends.
They get to see if Roy still can play at a high level.
If he can’t,they can use the SBO and have future extra revenues pay for much of it,and possibly different owners.
Even if the SBO only gives Cap relief for the extent of the original contract,that’s still an extra $8mil in Cap room. W/Camby coming off the books at the end of the season,the Blazers will have plenty of room under any forseeable Cap.
Roy won’t get bought-out under the Amnesty clause,he’ll get bought-out under the SBO.
I hope he'd get amnestied.
Using the stretch provision on him would just further mangle the team’s cap far into the future.
"I Am Mine"
Brandon Roy...
To tell you how much his play meant to me, I own quite a few jerseys from around the league. Old and new.
Brandon Roy is the one I own the most of.
1: Black road jersey
2: Home white Rip City jersey
3: Road silver Rip City jersey
4: Christmas Green Home jersey (probably my favorite)
It bums me out to read and see the reality before my eyes.
He was truly special. And to me, he always will be.
I want to believe he can be again
but I’ve not heard a single person confident that’s in the cards.
—Dave
by Dave on Oct 24, 2011 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The wheel is still in spin...
I am one that wrote a Brandon Roy disappointment post. So obviously I think it’s perfectly valid to call Brandon Roy at this point in his career a disappointment. I think Dave is spot on with his observations. However, I think the wheel is still in spin. I’m not quite as optimistic as to say I think 20 years from now people will look back and perceive Brandon Roy’s career as a “blessing”. I am optimistic enough to think that people will look back and perhaps more or less evaluate Brandon Roy as a whole. If Brandon absolutely never contributed another moment to the N.B.A., I’d say he had some fantastic and admirable moments. Some very Non-Disappointing moments. R.O.Y., All-Star, primary figure in one of the most dynamic Blazer playoff game comebacks ever..
But the truth is we must evaluate the whole. Which as far as Brandons career goes is not over. The apparent redefinition of the career arc of Brandon Roy does change the equation. Is Brandons Blazer experience going to end with him being an amnesty clause cap savings? Does he stay and find enough to re-emerge as an All-Star level performer? Does he become a 6th man? Does he find peace, does he leave in turmoil? Who knows? The future is as of yet unwritten.
It’s a credit to Brandon Roy that in the relatively short tenure of his career he has already reached heights high enough that the unfortunate and unexpected deteriation of his knees creates disappointment. The history of the N.B.A. is filled with players that come and go, and never disappoint anyone because they never accomplish anything near what Brandon Roy has already accomplished.
As a fan, I’m only disappointed, and discouraged by the apparent change in the projected arc of Brandon Roys career…but I fully admit that disappointment is a symptom of my own selfishness as a fan. The fault is NOT Brandons…it’s mine. I’m disappointed because I foresaw 6 All-Star appearances…but alas? It may not be. It would seem disingenious or dellusional, if I do not admit to my selfish disappointment.
But that being said? The wheel is still in spin. Are there more moments of greatness in Brandons future? More moments where he rises up and orchestrates the improbable? I hope so…but if not? I’ll remember Brandon as one of the greatest players that ever disappointed me. The greatness will be Brandons…the disappointement mine.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Oct 24, 2011 4:48 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
I can’t be selfishly disappointed in BRoy, because he brought me many great nights. In every bodies life, there are great moments, so-so moments, and please let me forget moments, but it is all parts of the life. BRoy the Blazer, BRoy the family man, BRoy the citizen has the same thing in his life. So, to be disappointed in him for going through the lesson’s in life would be oxymoron. he’s good, bad.
I am just glad I was able to see him in his greatness, I got to watch BRoy and CP3 tear up the all star game, the fourth quarter come back and all the games he put on his back and won for the Blazers. Whether is be a short career or a long career, I just can’t be disappointed.
As you said the wheel is still spinning, and I am anxious to see what will be.
hg
by BBK on Oct 24, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wondering about timing...
So if there is a new CBA and the amnesty clause is intact….will there be time for the Blazers to evaluate Brandon’s health and ability to contribute? Or will the amnesty happen within days? I imagine there will be a shortened training camp and a couple pre-season games. After being at game 4 and experiencing one of my happiest nights as a Blazer fan, I still cross my fingers that Brandon still has enough magic in him to keep him on the roster.
I hope the mgmnt shows at least half the heart in dealing with and respecting Brandon as he gave in his tenure here.
This entire "dissappoinment" series bothers me.
There were obvious names mentioned and names that shouldn’t have been. No good will come from the negative tone that this promotes. Be careful that “disappointment” doesn’t become a self fulfilling prophesy. Maybe it already is…
Dave has vexed the Blazers!
Never cross Harvey Grant!
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Oct 24, 2011 9:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not even that negative, I think
It’s not like we invented the talk of disappointment. And besides, looking at the histories was fun…for me anyway. Plus it puts some perspective on the whole lockout deal. Losing weeks or even months of of a 2011-12 season isn’t nearly as tragic as some of the things that have happened in this franchise’s history.
—Dave
Roy has been plenty disappointing.
National anthem issue.
Rap video issue.
Fouling Yao issue.
by doomsdaymachine on Oct 24, 2011 1:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Roy was disappointing in the sense that he raised hopes and expectations.
One of the saddest moments as a Blazer fan I experienced was the game early last season against OKC. Roy was matched up against Kevin Durant in the waning seconds with the game on the line. Durant, while an obviously very good player, at one time simply could not have stopped Roy in that situation. However, in this game, Roy was helpless.
It wasn’t just that Roy didn’t get it done. It was that he was helpless. He couldn’t escape Durant’s length: he couldn’t go around him, he couldn’t shoot over him, he couldn’t freeze him with one of his patented breakk-your-ankles-if-you-try-it-in-your-driveway moves. He threw up a prayer that didn’t have a prayer of going in.
I honestly think that was the moment I realized the Roy-Aldridge-Oden triumvirate of domination would never happen. And it was Roy’s knees that betrayed that hope, even more than Oden’s many injuries.
Sometimes people need to get the focus off of individuals players such as Roy, but get the focus on not only the team, but the other players and the coach. It takes an entire team to do well. Roy may have messed up a few times, but, he still does great.
Halloween World
I know Roy is incredibly popular among the Blazer fans.
He deserves your loyalty, but not mine. I became a fan when Andre Miller came to town. I became a fanatic watching the busted up Blazers win games. Roy seemed like a crybaby with his negativity toward Miller and his high pitched scream when trying to get a foul.
I think Roy’s ego won’t let him accept his bench role, and his production will suffer. Then he’ll do a, “Fernandez”, on us and get traded.
one word and a number....game 4
I know that my emotions are the at core of this comment and as previous bloggers such as BBK and Ilikeemail already iterated, #7 should be put up in the rafters yesterday and I don’t mean that the blazers should force him to retire or amnesty him then do it (which would be a slap in the face) I mean for solely resurrecting the blazers as a franchise, for giving us hope again, for making “we believe” actually mean something, for making Paul Allen hold off on selling the last thing Portland fans still have left. Say what you want about his character or his attitude, how he handled certain situations with other teammates or how he didn’t want to go willingly ride off into the sunset after double knee surgeries, or how his contract straps the blazers financially to make future moves….say what you want
But if for the sole reason the natural should continue to be a blazer until he says its time is and will forever be known as game 4, I was there…..I experienced the magic, and unless I’m able to witness a blazers championship in person I dont think I will ever witness anything like this in my life again, the crowd was silent…defeated, upset, frustrated and depressed that another year gone, down by 21 right before the 4th quarter it started, the mythical superhero decided the blazers weren’t done yet, not this time, not in his house….Brandon put the team on his back, scoring at will the rumble of the rose garden grew louder, not only fans but the Dallas mavericks were in disbelief, this was actually happening, we were witnessing history. Point after point blazer fans were jumping up and down unable to contain themselves until #7 finally, scratching and clawing brought the blazers and its crowd back to life by taking the lead, I cannot best describe the atmosphere inside and outside of that rose garden when that final buzzer rang, in all honesty I like thousands of other blazer fans overcome by emotion cried tears of joy, that one man gave myself, this franchise and this city hope again….as we left the arena thousands of blazer fans for blocks chanted “let’s go blazers” and for this single moment in time I say thank you Brandon Roy for just being you and giving us what every trailblazer fan ever wanted, which was hope…..and for that no matter where you are
by trax639 on Oct 26, 2011 5:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
one word and a number....game 4
I know that my emotions are the at core of this comment and as previous bloggers such as BBK and Ilikeemail already iterated, #7 should be put up in the rafters yesterday and I don’t mean that the blazers should force him to retire or amnesty him then do it (which would be a slap in the face) I mean for solely resurrecting the blazers as a franchise, for giving us hope again, for making “we believe” actually mean something, for making Paul Allen hold off on selling the last thing Portland fans still have left. Say what you want about his character or his attitude, how he handled certain situations with other teammates or how he didn’t want to go willingly riding off into the sunset after double knee surgeries, or how his contract straps the blazers financially to make future moves….say what you want
But if for the sole reason the natural should continue to be a blazer until he says its time is and will forever be known as game 4, I was there…..I experienced the magic, and unless I’m able to witness a blazers championship in person I dont think I will ever witness anything like this in my life again, the crowd was silent…defeated, upset, frustrated and depressed that another year gone, down by 21 right before the 4th quarter it started, the mythical superhero decided the blazers weren’t done yet, not this time, not in his house….Brandon put the team on his back, scoring at will the rumble of the rose garden grew louder, not only fans but the Dallas mavericks were in disbelief, this was actually happening, we were witnessing history. Point after point blazer fans were jumping up and down unable to contain themselves until #7 finally, scratching and clawing brought the blazers and its crowd back to life by taking the lead, I cannot best describe the atmosphere inside and outside of that rose garden when that final buzzer rang, in all honesty I like thousands of other blazer fans overcome by emotion cried tears of joy, that one man gave myself, this franchise and this city hope again….as we left the arena thousands of blazer fans for blocks chanted “let’s go blazers” and for this single moment in time I say thank you Brandon Roy for just being you and giving us what every trailblazer fan ever wanted, which was hope…..and for that no matter where you are, hopefully its with the blazers I will forever be grateful, I appreciate not only the player but the person that is Brandon Roy and will never forget what he’s done for us
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