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"Ok so my Aunt asked me do we get unemployment and I said don't know lol come to find out we do and it's 562 a week or every 2 weeks Lmfao"

Shawn Marion aka matrix31, not helping the players win the lockout PR battle.

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jeez

that’s more than what i make as a poor grad student.

sigh

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Oct 19, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You know what's great about Twitter?

It provides people the platform to say all the stupid/ ignorant/ unintelligible garbage that used to all be said anonymously on internet chat rooms…. and attaches a name to them. Its all out there on the table for everyone to see.

That’s also why I will never join…. I don’t need the extra means to get myself into trouble.

Holding out for Devyn

by T$ 225 on Oct 19, 2011 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

What did he Shawn Marion that was stupid?

If anything is “stupid,” it’s the asinine anger displacement that people have shown to his comment.

It’s idiocy at its finest. By “finest,” I mean worst.

C’mon, folks, y’all need to remember this ol’ sayin’: “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”

In this case, the game = the gov’t.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

the only thing possibly

is his LMFAO comment in regards to the amount. That can be read as either a harmless comparison to his normal take home, or potentially as a complete ignorance of the wages of the common man. If it’s the latter, then he deserves some heat.

That said, there isn’t enough information in his tweet to determine the context of that reference, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

and until the government caps unemployment for people who previously were earning some high amount, then he should take it. Don’t think for a second that former CEOs and other high earners haven’t done the same thing.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform."

by douglast on Oct 19, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read it the same way

If you make 14.50 an hour, and work full time, you pull in about $116 a day before taxes which ends up being ~$500 a week. I shook my head a little as I got to the lmfao (which, if you remember what this acronym means, indicates he is laughing his f-ing a$$ off at a wage that is larger than many Americans).
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t02.htm (this is median American salaries for union and non-union workers for 2009-2010)
I understand this is essentially nothing compared to their salaries, but that is the whole point. I don’t ask that they make the same as the average American worker, but if they want to appeal to the fans of the NBA for support they need to realize that people who DO live off this type of salary use significant portions of it to fund the NBA. A little empathy for those of us who have to spend 40 hours a week to make this laughable amount would be nice I suppose.

by Game.Blouses on Oct 19, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I took it that he was laughing at the fact that he could draw unemployment

despite having made millions over the course of his career. I’d laugh, too, if our government wasn’t so pathetic. The Matrix probably doesn’t realize the implications of such an enormous failure on our elected officials’ part…or parts…or is it part? Whatever…

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Oct 19, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, that is how I read it at first, too.

He appears to me to be laughing at the fact that he is even qualified, but it is tough to get some points across with Twitter’s character limits.

i like it here, there, everywhere.

by Name's Ash on Oct 19, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

That is a very optimistic reading. If he wanted to say that he could have just as easily tweeted:
“Ok so my Aunt asked me do we get unemployment and I said don’t know lol come to find out we do Lmfao”
and not had the lmfao immediately after the amount he would be making.
Also, it would “enormous failure on the part of our elected officials”, technically speaking.
Not that I want this to get overly political, but I don’t think you are giving the government enough credit. If you put salary caps on unemployment, what are the ceilings? Does it stagger off? What bright line do you use? Nothing is easy, especially coming up with fair laws to govern a country as large as our own.
Do you just eliminate unemployment altogether? That opens up a whole bunch of new, probably larger problems. This is supposed to be a country of equals, so why shouldn’t the rich be entitled to the same unemployment as the poor? What kind of supreme-court like precedent would that send?

Issues are complex. Simplification is an easy but inaccurate tool

by Game.Blouses on Oct 19, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I was trying to be cute

Also, it would "enormous failure on the part of our elected officials", technically speaking.

I’m a grammar nut, so I do stuff like that so I don’t come across as an automaton.

Anyway, I think it’s pretty self evident that millionaires should be able to “self insure” themselves. I’m not going to get political and get into my views on the government’s role on unemployment insurance in general, but I’m pretty sure that if we set an income limit on unemployment recipients, Shawn Marion would not qualify by any reasonable standard.

And FWIW, I give the government no credit for anything they do, just as a matter of principle.
bq. Not that I want this to get overly political, but I don’t think you are giving the government enough credit.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Oct 19, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I make $18/hr and take home about $550 per week

Somewhere the math is off.

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mark_twain_4.html#ixzz1IE4sPu16

by Tyler Durrden on Oct 19, 2011 2:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing a bunch of money down a giant, insatiable hole

Oh, wait…

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mark_twain_4.html#ixzz1IE4sPu16

by Tyler Durrden on Oct 19, 2011 3:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

lol

well put.

Also, fantastic username

by Game.Blouses on Oct 19, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

"the only thing possibly is his LMFAO comment in regards to the amount."

All right, I guess that’s fair. Even so, that mildly tactless line is harmless at worst.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why's that stupid?

If it’s available, then take it.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whether his statement is fair/ true or not is irrelevant to the observation that it was stupid to say

Its just he isn’t helping his own PR cause. The fact that people are taking it the wrong way is proof enough.

As a side, I don’t have a problem with him taken what’s given to him.

Holding out for Devyn

by T$ 225 on Oct 20, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stuff like this makes me want the owners to lower their offer to 40%.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

How's this on the players?

If anything, this is on the gov’t.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Marion disregards the arena workers he is putting out of work that need that $562.

He might be laughing his ass off about unemployment and $562 but a lot of people that depend on him playing aren’t laughing because they seriously need that money. That’s why they work in arenas. The people getting hurt the most by this lockout aren’t the players, the owners, or even the fans. The players should remember that before making jokes about the amount of their unemployment payments.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Because Marion disregards the arena workers he is putting out of work that need that $562."

So what? It’s not Shawn Marion’s place to regard them.

Also, Shawn Marion hasn’t directly put anybody out of work.

Before the lockout, Marion sure wasn’t writing those arena workers’ checks.

Does it suck that many arena workers are currently out of a job? Yeah, it sucks for them. That isn’t on Marion, though, nor is it on any other NBA employee. Heck, it’s not even on NBA Commissioner David Stern.

Shoot, I don’t even blame the owners.

I mean, look, I’ll sum it up in two points:

1. Nobody’s at fault that those arena workers are now out of work. It’s just a matter of circumstance.

2. It’s not Marion’s fault he’s eligible to collect unemployment. That’s on the gov’t for not capping the program.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

We completely disagree.

But it’s a waste of time for me to argue with you. We are of different generations and we have different values.

But for the record:

1) The arena workers would not be out of work if the Players weren’t insisting on getting more money than the owners can pay and still make a reasonable return on their investment. Hence, it is not a matter of circumstance at all. It is a direct result of not settling this dispute.

2) Nobody cares that Marion is eligible to collect unemployment. That isn’t even an issue. The fact that Marion laughs at the small sum of money he could collect is disrespectful to the people that are now collecting that unemployment money (which they badly need) because the players can’t settle for 100x what those workers earn. Instead they are willing to put those workers out of work to get 103x what they earn.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"We are of different generations and we have different values."

That’s probably got some to do with it, but not all. Either way, though, you’re right that neither of us are likely to budge on how we feel about this, which is fine.

Well, I might budge a smidge.

See, I get your point that Shawn Marion comes across as arguably clumsy in not empathizing with out of work arena staff who, unlike him, are in need of unemployment benefits to sustain themselves financially.

Despite that, it’s not Marion’s fault that the situation is the way it is and his offhand comment — which can be misconstrued as cold and callous by some, even though that clearly wasn’t his intent — has no real effect. That’s why I chalk it up as an innocent remark.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it really so awful that Shawn Marion didn't carefully phrase his astonishment over ...

being able to collect unemployment?

Right or wrong, I can’t get mad at this bit of insight he wished to share with others. Even if the blundering “Lmfao” line at the end came across as distasteful and was objectionable to some, he meant no ill will toward the plight of those who need unemployment benefits.

In this case, I subscribe to the following adage: “No harm, no foul.”

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever the topic of Shawn Marion and money comes up, I think of this passage from Seven Seconds or Less

Before the quote, let me say that I have no idea how much if any Marion has changed as a person in the 5 years since the book was written,

There is also a charming naiveté about Marion. He chows down on Hamburger Helper and doesn’t care who knows about it. He’s an avid cartoon watcher. He’s a little, well, thrifty. He favors Holiday Inn Express when traveling on his own dime. One day we were having a conversation about the advantages of having kids close together and Marion pointed to what he considered the key factor — the savings on baby clothes. During his annual pilgrimage to Friedman’s, the Atlanta shoe store that caters to large-footed jocks, Marion spent thousands of dollars, then complained about the $17 it cost to mail them. One day last year, one of the trainers was thumbing through a luxury car magazine and musing about making a six-figure auto purchase.

“Why don’t you just buy it?” asked Marion.

“Shawn, how much money you think I make?”

“I don’t know,” said Marion. “Two, three hundred thousand?”

(That is reminiscent of the comment made by Darius Miles, a young player for the Portland Trail Blazers, after he heard that a player had been fined $300,000. “My mother would have to work over a year to make that kind of money,” said Miles.)

by tingeyga on Oct 20, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't blame Shawn Marion for that.

If you can game the system, then do it.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder what the chances are that Shawn Marion....

-will start looking for full time, part time, or temporary work.
-be willing to accept any offer of employment.
-provide proof of his weekly work searches.
in order to actually qualify to receive unemployment compensation.

Who's that tromping across my bedge?

by Troll Blazer on Oct 19, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

good point

but since all he would have to do is punch the correct buttons in to his phone each week, and not actually DO any of those things, it would be pretty easy to skate by

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform."

by douglast on Oct 19, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

it depends on the jurisdiction. I remember when my dad was getting UE, he had to meet with someone, and actually talk to a counselor on the phone, etc. But still it’s not exactly the hardest thing to satisfy.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Oct 19, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Delonte West actually looked for work at department and home improvement stores, and ultimately got a job at a furniture store

He even correctly identified his legal issues in the past (the riding a tricycle with guns in a guitar case thing), and explained it as a “misunderstanding”. Not sure if he is planning for a very long lockout, hasn’t saved anything and doesn’t want to play overseas, or is just convinced that it will help his mental stability to stay employed doing real work until the NBA resumes. But more power to him.

http://deadspin.com/5844936/delonte-wests-furniture+store-job-application-is-absolutely-magical

As Shawn Marion indicates, I somehow doubt more than a handful of NBA players will follow that example, seeing as it might even reduce their unemployment benefits or insurance coverage or what have you.

by Norsktroll on Oct 19, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Massive props to Delonte. Really.

Whatever drove him to do something simple and grounded like that, it’s a great thing. More guys like him and somebody in the NBPA paying attention, and they might be doing a bit better in the PR fight.

"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave

by conspirator5 on Oct 19, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a tough one, yeah.

Yet, since it’s Delonte West, I’ll cut him some slack.

Now, if it was Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce doing this, I’d roll my eyes.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another reason not to like the mavs...

How is this the governments fault? Lol

by odensraven on Oct 19, 2011 1:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Seriously?

This isn’t gaming the system. Unemployment is an insurance system. You pay in when you’re doing well, you draw a little bit when you get laid off. That’s why you can draw unemployment if you get laid off while your spouse is still working—because it’s government required insurance. Should the well-off not draw social security benefits when they retire because they don’t need them?

We have other programs that help out the very, very needy (even if they aren’t sufficient). Unemployment is not need based for a reason: because it’s insurance.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Oct 19, 2011 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

And there’s a good reason they don’t means test stuff like Social Security and UE. Once something is means tested it’s easy to single out as a “welfare program” and that’s basically a one way road to the chopping block.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Oct 19, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

In principle, I wholeheartedly agree Social Security.

No matter financial status, anyone eligible to collect Social Security has earned it and deserves their cut.

Let’s hope we can all agree on that one.

Unemployment benefits, however, ought to be tinkered with to stop former high-income earners who’ve got a financially sound nest egg from receiving it. Not sure how practical it’d be to make that adjustment, but in theory it’s kind of wonky that affluent people are eligible for that program.

Yet, since the unemployment benefits program is the way it is at this time, I give a thumbs-up to anybody who collects, including jobless, out of work NBA players. Guys playing in the barnstorming exhibitions or on clubs overseas obviously don’t deserve it, but somebody sitting at home doing squat such as Shawn Marion — or, as it pertains to current Trail Blazers, Marcus Camby — has every right to stick their hand in the unemployment cookie jar.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure why you would cut UE off.

I’m sure most of the upper income earners in this country wouldn’t mind not paying into UE. I’d bet that most of us benefit from having these guys pay in because it NEVER pays for them to live on it between jobs. UE is in the red because it has been politically profitable to extend it so that people can live on it for years.

I could be wrong. Maybe these high rollers suck the thing dry….. but I doubt it.

by vullkem116 on Oct 19, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, everyone would still pay in.

To that point, though, it’d be unfair if some folks had to pay in without the ability to ever collect.

So yeah, it’s an imperfect system either way.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, SS isn't means tested due to the lobbying efforts of the AARP and other retiree groups

Many retirees pay (money, mind you) in the form of dues to the AARP, and in exchange, AARP attorneys, lobbyists, and execs make a handsome living off ensuring that SS remains intact. That’s why whenever there is an unfunded liabilities crisis with SS, payroll taxes are increased and the retirement age is raised on people who aren’t retired yet. Means-testing for SS really has nothing to do with any practical considerations.

Those aren’t my political views, either. Only the most radical economist or political scientist will tell you otherwise.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Oct 19, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

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