Blazer Chatter Thread: One Guy Who's Gotta Stay
Here's your mostly-daily Blazer Chatter thread in which to talk about all things Blazers that aren't covered elsewhere on the site. In the one-stop-shopping post we always have a daily special topic for you to chew on. Today: Other than LaMarcus Aldridge, what's one guy on the currently active roster (basically anyone not wearing a suit on game day, including Batum and even Camby at this point) that the Blazers MUST keep, in your opinion? No trades, no cutting, no dangling on short contracts...who's the guy who should be a Blazer long-term, period?
Talk about this or any other Blazers topics below.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Batum
Although Matthews is making a strong case, I still see Batum as having a higher long-term potential.
I want to say Nic
but he also has a ton of trade value…it’s hard for me to say that if someone wanted to severely overpay for him that he would be completely untouchable. Outside of LMA though, Nic is certainly the most embedded in the core of this team moving forward. I think he will continue to grow and be a very good player for a very long time.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Okay, once again I will be unpopular....
While I really, really like players like Batum, Matthews, Miller, Camby, Fernandez…outside of Aldridge…If you are building a “championship” viable team, I simply do NOT feel The Blazers roster is at a place where we have players that should be kept exempt from the “idea” or possibility of trading them. Even if I really, really like them.
So I have to say, who NEEDS to be kept longterm? Nobody has proven to me that they are that valuable….I don’t feel we have a surefire franchise level player….Aldridge is as close as we have…nobody else deserves that definition applied.
In the cases of Miller and Camby their chronological age makes them expendable. As much as I like them today? They simply cannot be tomorrow.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Jan 28, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Almost every player in the NBA is tradeable for the right price. I love Batum, but if we could get an all star for him, we’d have to consider it. Of course it would have to be a relatively young all star, like 27 or under. Of course that players salary wouldn’t match Batum’s, so I guess we couldn’t make the trade, so forget it Batum is untradeable. On second thought, I disagree. Just kidding, but I guess in theory every player is tradeable, but in reality some aren’t, if that makes any sense.
by desperationshot on Jan 28, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
They need to rebuild. There’s not a player on the Blazers that’s dynamic enough to make them a legit contender now, or in the future. The Blazers have some great complimentary talents but nothing that’s a “must keep”.
I agree
but I would even include Aldridge in the right trade. Right now he barely breaks the top ten of PF’s.
I feel the Blazers are right on the edge of needing a blow up with the only obstacle being Roy’s contract as he is probably un-tradeable with those knees. That contract will stymie any rebuilding attempts.
Yeah, LMA isn't "must keep" either.
He’s still a “Robin” and a third wheel on a superteam(the going trend these days). Portland has to get back into the draft and having good but not great players will stymie that progress.
I don’t think Roy is a major concern when it comes to rebuilding though. The Blazers did it before with Z-Bo and Darius Miles contract, so I know they can manage it with Roy’s. You gotta figure, rookie contracts don’t cost a ton and they last 4 years before they get an extention.
I think LMA is a little better than you suggest
but I also wouldn’t declare him “untradeable.” He is a good PF who appears to be developing into a very good PF, but if I can package him and someone else for a bona fide all-star player, I would absolutely do it.
There is no one else even remotely close to that status.
Batum....
then Matthews. Everyone else? Hasta La Bye Bye.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
whoa...I can't believe I forgot about Oden...
that says a lot doesn’t it?
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
I wouldn't keep Oden
I absolutely would trade him to any taker, for almost any price. I firmly believe he will never play again in the NBA. I have no problem with letting his contract simply expire to improve our cap position. If he becomes a stud for somebody else, so be it; in my view, the risk is just too great with this guy.
I completely agree with Bill Walton’s take: Greg Oden needs to step away, go back to being whoever he truly is. If he can come back to basketball down the road, great. If not, at least he’ll be able to walk without pain.
I think you have to look at "value"
No matter what, there’s always going to be a salary cap. And no matter what, you’re always going to need role players and a decent bench. So even if you decide to blow it up, tank for the lottery, rebuild, whatever, you still need to fill out an entire team. Batum is still on his rookie contract, so that’s hard to judge as he will command more money really soon. But until then, I’d say Aldridge, Batum and Matthews. Aldridge is a proven workhorse that can play big minutes and avoid injury. Matthews is a high-motor team guy, and even if his shot isn’t falling he’s valuable. Batum does have great potential, but he’s also probably our best trade chip.
Batum.
Even then, he’s 85% untouchable. He may end up being a bust but if not I would hate to have him come back and kill us playing for the Denver, Utah, or NY. I would rather miss out on potential talent and/or draft picks while riding out Nic’s development. Than take the chance of missing out on something truly special.
precisely
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Brandon Roy
He’s our best player.
People who have turned the page on him are making a mistake.
by baduk on Jan 28, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
totally agree
Brandon is the hope.
without him, I dont know what I am waiting for.
I have a dream " Miller is gone, Blazersmaniac are back"
by chinafansheartroy on Jan 28, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Alridge and Matthews
It has to be Lamarcus and Matthews we keep. I think there just both to consistant and don’t get injured. (knock on wood)
Batum
He’s just got “it”…
Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers
I think Matthews ...
great combination of youth, potential, production, and salary. He plays extremely hard every night, and unlike Batum, hasn’t shown any sort of injury issues.
Wes Matthews
Dude is money. The other players, even Batum, are too inconsistent.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
seriously?
while I agree all the others are inconsistent, doesn’t Matthews fit that bill as well?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Every player in the NBA is somewhat inconsistent
So that isn’t a knock. Aldridge used to be that way. Matthews at this point is more consistent than the others, in my view.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Not bad for a sophomore season.
He’s not looking like an All Star, but he’s certainly a tenacious defender that can blow up on a team. His contract isn’t an albatross. Wesley Mathews is not a guy you build a team around, but with LMA2.0 he doesn’t need to be.
I prefer to keep Batum, but a case can certainly be made for Mathews.
Stealth > Wealth
He has an awful lot
of 1/9’s and 1/10’s for someone who is consistent.
and Batum doesn't?
Batum has put up quite a few clunkers this season (I should know, I have him on a couple fantasy teams), yet everyone seems to think he’s this high-ceiling cornerstone of awesome. I don’t necessarily disagree, but I like Wes Matthews’ style of play much better.
Heck, even LeBron hasn’t been his normal consistent self this year, unless Bosh and/or Wade are out.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I don’t think anyone is off limits, apart from Aldridge. Everyone is going to say Batum here I’m sure. And I really love watching him play. He’s a terrific, rising young talent. But for the right price? I think it’s foolhardy to publically state that he’s off limits. The Blazers have far, FAR too many needs to be closed minded about incoming offers.
..but perhaps Cho is just being smart about Batum. When you say someone is “off limits”, it can artificially raise their value. Maybe that has been his strategy these past couple of months.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
There are 3 guys you have to keep...
Aldridge, Matthews and Batum.
You have them tied up, (or will in Batum’s case), and it’s a good core, solid offense and solid defense in these guys, and young. Roy is untradeable. He’s like a wild card in poker, though…could come back strong, might not. But you’re going to have to give away the farm to move him, I think.
So, you view it as a poker game with other GMs as your competition, except they know your hand. So you are not going to fool anyone. But, you are going to take calculated risks and moves. You need a SOLID 5 guy and a SOLID 1 guy. That’s your core with the other three. Build around that with role players as best as is possible, and you might have something good.
Those positions might be on the current roster, as a possibility (right now), might not be too. So if you’re going to auction off the rest of the roster, you had better be sure you get these two positions filled first. ..then see what you can get as backup players.
Everyone else is tradeable…in this approach.
Buddy is a goooood dog!
Then send Rudy packing....
Rudy is inconsistant, and Roy will be back. Being Rudys friend didnt help Chacho, this is the NBA, not the boyscouts.
My untouchable list can’t be 1.
LA,Roy,Nic,Wes$ .
"We've got to get stops ! " ...... Nate McMillan
Agreed regarding Rudy
He’s an exciting player but we suffer from a serious lack of consistency. Rudy and Patty are supposed to be shooters. If they can’t shoot most games then it’s probably time to part company.
Keep Batum.
He’s the best global marketing piece the Blazers have.
"Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is." - Josey Wales
Most folks will probably say Batum--but I say Wes$$
This really shoulda been a Batum vs Mathews poll.
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 28, 2011 2:09 PM PST reply actions
I would say if the right deal comes...
…trade them all except maybe LMA. Our shattered roster looks pretty bland stacked up against a contender now. If Roy/Oden/Camby were all healthy my take would be different.
As it is, though, we need to be open to improving this team if a logical way to do so presents itself.
Wes $ for the win!
Even when he is having an off night he still give 110%, and I think as he gains more experience he will get even better with fewer of nights.
"Unless commitment is made, there are only promises and hopes, but no plans."
Patty Mills
He wouldn’t bring back anything in a trade, can embrace the end of the bench role, and can still step in and play when needed. Besides that, it’s Paul Allen’s team and he likes Patty Mills.
None
Absolutely noone on the active roster outside of lamarcus should be untouchable. Wes plays hard every night but his ceiling is as a complimentary player. Same for Batum. Don’t get me wrong, I like the current roster but if we get a chance to land another all-star/fringe all-star caliber player in return I would make the move.
by hollywood robinson on Jan 28, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions
Other than LMA?
I want to say Batum, but ask me this time next year and I hope to say “Oden.”
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by Knobby on Jan 28, 2011 3:46 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think other than Batum and LMA, everyone else should be made available
in a trade scenario. Matthews has been ok at times, but he is by no means untouchable. Outside of Batum and LMA though, no one else on the roster has any major trade value. Roy and Oden are such question marks health wise that I don’t think their trade value has ever been lower. Of the rest, only Matthews, Andre, Camby and maybe Rudy might have possible suitors. I doubt that any one of those 4 guys by themselves will get us anyone worthwhile. At best we might have to package a few guys together for somebody or maybe some draft picks in the mid to late 1st round.
by rhaegar on Jan 28, 2011 4:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
No sacred cows
Even LMA can be traded. His value right not ought to be at an all time high. Buy low, sell high. That’s how you get ahead.
Win the day!
There are no players on this team
that should be untouchable. Nobody on this team could be the best player on a championship team, so if that’s the goal, there just isn’t a guy who should be a sacred cow.
I still believe it should be Oden.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 28, 2011 11:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Also
Wes money, Dre and Cunningham all have a lot of heart. Batum posseses potential but, as it stands today, I don’t think he could handle the wars that are the NBA finals.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 28, 2011 11:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Keep Batum
There are many reasons that other teams covet Batum.
No Blazer Fan should loose site of what he brings to the “TEAM” concept.
How many “STARS” are going for the “Big Market” locations?
Do you really want to rent a STAR for a year or two instead of keeping Batum? I say, NO!
Update from Cho
“If we wanted to make a trade to help the team right now, we could,” Cho said. “But we would have to give up a guy like Nic, who is a big part of our future. We don’t want to do that. And we could go out and get a young point guard, but it would cost L.A., and we’re not going to do that.”
Published: Friday, January 28, 2011, 11:44 PM – Oregonlive
by spencerbutte on Jan 29, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oden
If only because no one will give us anything close to what his potential can give us. Funny how you hear everywhere how he is a bust, yet I see/hear about teams trying to get him cheap all the time. I still believe Miller(Harris, etc), Wes, Batum, LMA, and Oden can be a dominate team.
Starting over in the draft is so chancy, the Roy/LMA draft could have easily been Randy Foye/Tyrus Thomas. We have a chance at something great, why throw it all away?
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar

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