The Blazers are now the worst 3-pt shooting team in the league.
I'm not sure if it has happened before in this season, but the Blazers now have the lowest 3-pt shooting percentage in the league at 32.6%. That beats the Thunder (32.7%), the Raptors (32.9%), the Clippers (33.0%), and the Cavaliers (33.4%). The only rotation player shooting above league average is Wesley Matthews.
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Andre Miller
His % is bringing us down. Where is he @now 15%?
by lamarkable on Jan 12, 2011 8:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
It might be
but he doesn’t shoot enough to make a huge difference. It’s Rudy, Batum and Mills’ shooting slump that are bringing it down. Learning a new offense in mid season will do that.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Jan 12, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
he doesn't even attempt that many
it’s nic, rudy, and patty that are mainly bringing us down.
PHILLY!
That is deceiving...
almost every time Dre shoots a 3 it is either a long bomb at the end of a quarter or a desperation shot against the clock after the team failed to find an open shooter.
"Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get." --- Homer Jay Simpson
Even if you remove Andre
That brings us up to a whopping 33.5%. Out of the gutter, but not exactly a great number. As other posters have pointed out, he doesn’t really take enough to make that much of an impact.
And besides, it becomes kind of an unfair comparison. The average of every team on that list would improve if you got to remove their worst shooter/guy taking most end of quarter heaves from the calculations.
I don’t know… I’m actually surprised when Blazer opponents manage beat the buzzer with their halftime heaves.
So many players are not willing to spoil their percentages, but Nate clearly expects his players to take the shot before time runs out.
True, but that's really beside the point
Removing the worst FT shooter from any team will instantly bump up their average. Take out Westbrook from OKC and Andre from us, and we’re probably still behind them.
15% would be nice
4.5% is the actual number.
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 12, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
That is one of the dumbest comments so far
He may only be shooting a low percentage, but hes probably taken less than 10 all year. Thats not whats causing our low %
Miller's inability to hit a three is a legitimate liability
mitigated somewhat by not taking many (only 21 so far) – but his lack of range is a serious weakness for his position.
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 12, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Being unable to get proficient and efficient 3PT shooting out of the starting 1 is a huge issue, though.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
And LMA
He should stop shooting those.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
They just don't have enough time to practice 3 pointers...
they spend all their time practicing the 3 goggles? Speaking of which perhaps we should declare a moratorium on 3 goggles until we rare, I don’t know, at least the 5th worst team in the NBA at 3’s?
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by Escrote on Jan 12, 2011 9:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Proof that we need to play Sean Marks more
He’s shooting 100% from 3 point range!
Wiggada Wiggada Zers!
by Corvid on Jan 12, 2011 10:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Something in regards to the blazers' shooting is being overlooked in practice.
I just cannot think of another explanation for how the Blazers keep missing open shot after open shot.
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I call shennanigans.
What you basically just said is that it’s the fault of coaching. I just don’t buy that. It’s too easy and simplistic. Here are some alternative explanations:
1. Rudy is intimidated by the speed and strength of NBA defenders, and by now is thoroughly scouted. Between this and his homesickness, he’s lacking the confidence to drill them the way he used to.
If the above is correct, I think Rudy is already trying to do something about it. We’ve seen a lot more Rudy dribble-drive this season. I think he completely understands that he needs to have the capacity to do that, or else guys are never going to sag off him. His success in the NBA (for however long he wants or is obligated to be here) is going to at least partially depend on gaining enough versatility to not be bodied up every time he touches the ball above the arc.
2. IMHO, Patty is kind of going through the same thing. Though this has more to do with his total size relative to defenses and lack of floor burn up until now.
I expect Patty to gradually improve over time as he gets more comfortable running an NBA floor and gains confidence. It’s worth noting that although he’s not hitting very much, he’s hitting more than he did when he was all nervous about trying to prove himself in spot minutes and garbage time.
3. Wes… wasn’t one of the major storylines in pre-season “Hey, wait… Wes can shoot the 3?”
I dunno, nobody ever claimed he was a shooter. Never came up. He was a “hustle guy” and a “great perimiter defender” and “moves really well off the ball.” He’s definitely a better shooter than advertised, but its not his calling card and maybe we need to lower our expectations a bit.
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by conspirator5 on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
it’s the fault of coaching
John Townsend was not retained and Monty Williams is now coaching the Hornets
Has this affected the team’s overall 3-pt percentage? Given that so many players have dropped off from last year I’d have to say that there is some co-relation
Some will blame this on the Blake-Outlaw-Webster trades, but Portland shot it well from deep last March-April (especially Bayless and Batum, not so much Rudy and Marty)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I will give you that.
I don’t want to suggest that coaching can’t be a factor, but I don’t believe it’s the deciding factor. Wesley, of course, never worked with either of them. Rudy had a reputation as a quality distance shooter when he came to the NBA, and (correct me if I’m wrong) that goes for Patty as well. I think Nic is the one person you can point to and ask, is his shooting ability being cultivated or not? Is the work on his post game coming at the expense of that?
"That really stuck with me and built something inside of me. He's a two-time MVP. If he comes in and works like that, then that's what I need to be doing." - Armon Johnson on Steve Nash
by conspirator5 on Jan 12, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Following Batum's shoulder surgery
he worked with Monty on his shot and his shooting percentages were 41/52/84 in 37 games, last spring
After 38 games this year he’s down to 30/44/77
That’s huge. There’s nothing that Portland can do to bring Monty back, but they’ve got to be asking themselves what was Williams doing with Nic that’s not been happening this season? Batum was starting to work on his catch, dribble and shoot moves last spring (ref Outlaw’s old drills with Monty) and we’re seeing some of that mid-range game again this year. But Nic’s 3pt% has dropped off like it did during the 2nd half of his rookie year when opposing teams were leaving him open and just daring him to shoot
Who’s going to flip Frenchy’s switch this time around? It doesn’t look like Hawkins or Canales have the answer. I don’t think he’s still injured so confidence is the issue, and I don’t believe that Nate inspires much confidence in his young players. Monty was the go-between assistant coach, and no one on the team has been missing him more than #88
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Besides Rudy
Noone else is established as a knock down shooter. Not yet.
by lamarkable on Jan 12, 2011 10:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
yeah
rudy is in a bit of a slump but he did just pass up BRoy for 8th on the Blazers all time 3’s (I think) and he set that rookie record. Batum needs to get more consistent.
by collectiveshane on Jan 12, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I think because of Rudy’s killer rookie season he is up in overall #’s in the team stats. Seems to be a confidence issue with the entire three shooting contingent. Maybe the three shooting coaches are in cahoots with the training staff. j/k (kind of).
Confidence comes and goes. I think it’ll come around again. Blazers have a lot of potential.
Maybe the three shooting coaches are…
I think Hersey Hawkins has basically replaced John Townsend. The Hawk doesn’t exactly have his wing shooters soaring (sorry about that, it just came out that way…)
As good as Canales may be, he’s no developer of talent in Monty William’s category
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Get those rims some ice!
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jan 12, 2011 10:56 AM PST reply actions
We should ask Nate why this is.
Maybe he’ll say something insightful, like “We’re not making shots.”
Sorry, I couldn’t resist that.
I’m not overly concerned about this statistic, as long as the Blazers try to take most of their shots from inside the arc. Better yet, they should be taking their shots from inside the paint.
Unfortunately, the 3 is supposed to be a Blazer weapon
when you are missing a key weapon in the arsenal – your firepower suffers. If opponents don’t have to respect the outside shot – they can collapse the interior like the Knicks did last night and the Blazers will flounder inside and out.
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 12, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Not concerned?
Should be. The sample size may be small, but in the last two games we have chucked something close to 35 of them and I don’t even think it was at the same clip as our season %. Basically live and die by the 3 (and jumpers for that matter in general), and a lot of these have been good looks, open looks, and they aren’t falling. I think we were 1 of 11 in the first quarter of the Heat game.
We need more consistency out of our shooters.
by Fanstand314 on Jan 12, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, Matthews missed 20 layups last night.
The Knicks sniffed out a half-dozen lobs too. Credit to their length and preparation. Perhaps credit the Blazers’ polite habit of telegraphing pretty much every pass too. Oof…
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jan 12, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I hear what you are saying
but I think we shouldn’t be living/dying by the three. LMA’s remarkably improved performance, Patty’s ability to attack the rim, Miller’s ability to penetrate and/or post-up other guards, and Batum’s and Matthews’ athleticism should enable the Blazers to do the bulk of their scoring inside.
Three point shooters are, by and large, very streaky, and Matthews has had a couple of extended cold streaks, and Nic had one as well. Rudy has been off most of the season from that range.
The problem isn’t that the Blazers aren’t particularly good from three point range. The problem is that they think they are, and that Nate wants them to shoot threes.
LMA has no room to work when no one can knock down open shots
gotta keep the D honest.
this
We hit those wide open shots and the game opens up for us. We continue to brick shots and the defense packs the lanes. LMA gets stripped and Wes suddenly can’t even hit lay-ups. Hands are in every passing lane…just gets real ugly.
Wow. Our streaky 2 guard is our most reliable shooter?
That pretty much sums the Blazers’ feast or famine offense this season. Or is that snack or famine? Anyways, we have one dude who gets people open: LMA. Last night is a pretty good example of how one-dimensional the Blazer offense is when he isn’t playing.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jan 12, 2011 11:19 AM PST reply actions
This gives 3-goggles a new level of lameness.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Jan 12, 2011 11:24 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it's the curse of the three goggles?
by blazinagain on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, Nate should ban 3 goggles until they are at least in the upper half of the league...
maybe that will motivate some shooting practice.
If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.
by Berkeley on Jan 12, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, the irony.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
It's not just 3pt%.
Our total fieldgoal percentage is 25th in the NBA. The only team over .500 that is in the bottom half of the NBA in overall FG% is Oklahoma City, and their just barely in the bottom half at 17th. 25th puts us on par with Cleveland, Sacramento, Minnesota, Washington, New Jersey… That’s not good company.
So as we have seen some bright spots, we also have some big holes. Losing two All-Star calibur player to their knees will do that. But that also means that I don’t expect this team to stay together the way it is. Maybe wait through this year, maybe not. But the next season’s Blazers will have to have a different look to them.
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BUT
we do get a ton of O-rebs. At least the guys are crashing the boards.
by collectiveshane on Jan 12, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
the 2008-2009 Blazers were offensive rebounding mavens, as well
and that was with a healthy Oden, Przy, Roy, with shooters like Blake, Outlaw, etc
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This is ironic considering 3goggles lol
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by TyboOSU on Jan 12, 2011 12:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Meaning of the 3 goggles ?
“I need glasses”…..
If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.
by Berkeley on Jan 12, 2011 12:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow!
I wouldn’t have guessed that.
Berkeley is right, perhaps prescription 3 goggles. I should buy a shirt and glue lenses on.
Campaign to remove "Free-throw Guy" from the Rose Garden.
The positive thing to take from this is
How much more beastly it makes LMA’s last month or so. He’s drawing double-teams and defenses can sag like crazy because we have no legit perimeter threats, and he’s still putting up big numbers.
3goggles aren't keeping the ball from going in the hoop
by collectiveshane on Jan 12, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I agree...
I think the players are too busy thinking about how they are going to throw up the 3 goggles that they forget to try and make the shot.
"Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get." --- Homer Jay Simpson
I prefer a mask to goggles.
Goggles hurt my eyes.
by lamarkable on Jan 12, 2011 4:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Guys....
Is anyone else totally disturbed by this? I mean just really blown away? I know it’s not a huge shock, but this is awful. Can we give some constructive ideas here on what to do about it?
The three-goggles thing is ridiculous if you consider the idea we’re the worst from the arch.
-B.
change the offense to rely less on treys
which is something that they’ve already done, actually
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