Blazersedge Scrubdown Grand Finale
by Dave on Sep 8, 2010 11:00 PM PDT
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PrintAfter a long and winding road that took us through more than two dozen candidates we are down to the final three. One of these three guys will claim the crown of Portland's favorite non-star-level player in franchise history. All have vanquished tough opponents such as Wayne Cooper, Drazen Petrovic, Caldwell Jones, and Danny Young. One will emerge over the remaining two after this vote.
So tell us, Portland, who is the Scrubdown victor? Will it be Darnell Valentine, Mark Bryant, or Kermit Washington?
You may use any criteria you wish to determine your vote. Please vote clearly with the name of your favorite isolated in the subject line of your comment. In this round especially we encourage you to attempt to sway your fellow voters to your way of thinking in the main section of your comment.
The polls are open!
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
P.S. Our podcast later today will cover this subject as well as other momentous moments from Blazers history.
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Bryant
Kermit played only 3 seasons for the Blazers – two of them above average seasons. Valentine played more seasons in Portland (5) – at a much lower effectiveness (two above average seasons – only one significantly above average).
Bryant, on the other hand – gets bonus points for beginning his career with Portland; playing more seasons in Portland; playing better in Portland (four above average seasons); being a class act; playing a position of need (role-player at the 4).
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
you said 4 above average seasons
what were his stats? i was a rabid fan during MB’s career as a Blazer and i can’t ever remember him puttin up any kind of numbers….
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Sep 9, 2010 4:26 AM PDT up reply actions
ws/48 :)
Which, of course – favors rebounders.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Sep 9, 2010 7:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mark Bryant
I haven’t done any of these scrubdowns yet, so I guess I’m one dirty, unwashed Bedger
The reason I picked Mark was (unlike Kemit and Darnell) he hasn’t done anything in the Portland area (worked for the Blazers, or on a local radio station) so I suspect he’ll get the fewest votes. I’m feeling sorry for him, in advance
Valentine and Washington are 3-syllable last names, and they are both really nice guys. Darnell is known for his huge quads, Kermit is infamous for one regretful moment in time.
Mark is just Mark. The most re-mark-able thing about Bryant was the little socks he wore, and the way he shot free throws. He would flex his knees deliberately as he dribbled and prepared to shoot, then straighten up, lock his knees, adjust the ball over his head and flip it towards the basket. Only his ankles would flex, not his knees, and he would wind up on his tippy-toes on his follow-through (such as it was)
Here’s a picture of him in ‘98-99 with Chicago, where I assume he was still not bending his knees while shooting FTs. After looking over Mark’s career stats, I was surprised to learn that he played until he was 37, and that while his first 7 seasons were in Portland, he actually played more seasons wearing enemy uniforms (he wrapped up his career in San Antonio with good ol’ Terry Porter in 2001-2002)According to his Wiki page…Bryant was an assistant coach with the Orlando Magic during the 2006-07 NBA season.
Where in the world is MB now? I have no idea. That’s why I’m voting for him, because I’m anticipating that he’ll be the underdog in this trio of well-scrubbed candidates.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Sep 8, 2010 11:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
feelin sorry for him in advance
NICE!! and double NICE!! NICE!! for the little socks (i completely forgot about that.) i believe unreMARKable Bryant is still assisting in in Orlando. another reason, other than just plain old pity, would be he was a Seton Hall Pirate. cool logo, that’s gotta at least get him another couple votes…
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Sep 9, 2010 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions
be he was a Seton Hall Pirate
I was thinking about going into the Ramon Ramos story, but I didn’t wanted to fish any deeper for the sympathy vote
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
when Cunningham and Pendergraph were drafted
I went back and looked at Blazer drafts, and MB/RR were the last pair of PFs who were added to the roster via the draft in such close proximity
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I was talking more about the same alma mater
You know, college teammates. Are there any other examples in Blazer history other than those I mentioned? I know there was Greg Anthony and Stacey Augmon, but they didn’t arrive in the same package.
Walton and Greg Lee
both from UCLA. Greg was like the Sergio to Bill’s Rudy, back in the day. but Lee didn’t last as long
I’ll probably think of a few more, later
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Bryant
Good night, Blazer fans, whereEVER you may be.... DAA-daddle-a-DA-da-da-DA-da-da-DAA
by jerome glide porterworth on Sep 9, 2010 2:45 AM PDT reply actions
Bryant
For playing on the 1990’s teams of my youth
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
Tough call, but I vote Kermit
I can rule out Bryant quickly. Though he was closest to being a true “scrub” — a guy who comes in when the game is pretty much decided — I dismiss him because he was the least talented of the three. He was solid defensively, a tough guy, and a banger, but had really no offensive skills at all.
Kermit had his best seasons with the Blazers averaging around 12 ppg and 10 rpg.
Darnell started his career with the Blazers, and also had his best seasons there, save for one season with the Clippers, averaging 11 ppg and 6+ apg.
Both were solid defensively, though that was more Kermit’s forte. Darnell was a very smart player, as I recall, who fit in well with Jack Ramsey’s offense. Both would fit in well with the current team, and were classy gusy, as I recall. Those were relatively lean years for the Blazers, as they typically played a little over .500 ball, making the playoffs but losing in the first round.
While with the Blazers, Valentine’s numbers went up in the playoffs, while Kermits stayed about the same, except for ’80-81, when he pulled down a ridiculous 17 boards a game.
I vote Kermit, really for that last number. A big part of rebounding is hunger — today’s Blazers could use a guy who has that desire to pound the backboard.
by hercher on Sep 9, 2010 3:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
rec
for ‘hunger.’ today’s Kids could definitely use some, especially a certain sweet shootin lanky 6’11" power forward.
I’m just sayin….
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Sep 9, 2010 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions
a lil disappointed these 3 are the only choices left
i was hopin the winner would be someone a lot more closer to my heart or one of my all time greatest bench ‘characters.’ oh well. guess i go with Valentine. he was a solid player all around and i never really remember KW playin. honestly i believe Bryant was a true scrub in every sense of the word, especially considering Valentine actually started games in the early 80’s if i remember correctly (wouldn’t that DQ him as a scrub?) But no criteria necessary so i’ll go with ‘Thunder Thighs!’
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Sep 9, 2010 4:14 AM PDT reply actions
....bryant
very disappointed with who’s in the finals
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Will you be my...
Valentine
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
Kermit
Again, he made an All Star team with Portland (which may call into question the “non-star-level” label, but nonetheless)
…..and his name is KERMIT fachrissake!
I'd still honk once!
he was also a Laker to start his career and for more years than he was a Blazer
Plus, he wouldn’t start for the current Portland team and Bryant is a better role player. Valentine wouldn’t beat out Rudy on the end of this bench…
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Darnell and Armon have some similarities
Valentine’s game coming out of Kansas was NBA-ready with one exception, he couldn’t make a jumper to save his life
similar to Johnson, or…Robert Pack
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
bryant
i guess the finals should be the toughest call. darnell had a cool name and such sexy legs. kermit also has a cool name and is a good dude. but bryant was the guy i remember the best and seemed to embody the tough guy/hard workerness that i, and many plazer followers, love.
"I told somebody to stop crying," Pendergraph said after the game. "Actually, I told them all to stop crying."
by cornplant on Sep 9, 2010 7:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
rec for WORKERNESS
Checc my swagga
CP3 NAHHHHHHHHH we got ARMON
Bryant
he was on the teams that went to the Finals and he played his heart here in the p-town! Plus the other guys I dont know very well so he wins to me by default
Checc my swagga
CP3 NAHHHHHHHHH we got ARMON
Mark Bryant
For not only being a scrub, but sticking around for 7 seasons as a scrub! I can’t imagine keeping a 5-point 4-rebound guy around for that long in todays NBA. I admit that the other two guys were before my time and so I only have the stats to judge them by… but it seems Valentine and Washington were regular starters during their time here. Mark Bryant was the ultimate bench player, backing up 4 or 5, and fouling like a demon! He gets my vote.
Kermit
I’m not disappointed in the finalists, but I’m certainly surprised. Going with Kermit for the most interesting storyline and most notable place in NBA history..
Valentine
My earliest Blazer memories are listening to the game on the radio with my Grandfather (I was probably 6 or 7). The only thing I can remember is hearing Schonz calling out was “Valentine (insert X here)” and I remember thinking it was funny he was named like the holiday.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Valentine
He was one of the first Blazers I remember as a child.
Darnell Valentine please
Kermit, great story but didn’t play here long enough for me. Bryant was a solid back-up for many years but didn’t catch my fancy as much as DV.
What a nice guy. I met him around Portland three different times in his career. He took time to talk to me and my friends on each occasion. Plus he was ripped everywhere. And he distributed the ball to all those shooters and kept them happy.
Bryant in the subject line, so it will probably get counted for him
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
yeah.. don't care too much I guess
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Valentine...or Bryant - you choose
Interrogation Cop: What are you saying?
Fenster: I said he'll flip you.
Interrogation Cop: He'll what?
Fenster: Flip you. Flip ya for real.
by Cyclops@Centercourt on Sep 9, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions
Bryant
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Sep 9, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
All three are cool guys
Of these three I choose Mark Bryant, who had the best Dairy Queen glass of the three.
GOP in HD
Kermit
The kind of player that could get 5 rebounds in one possession. Sure he missed 4 shots in the same possession, but it was fun to watch his determination.
by desperationshot on Sep 9, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
Bryant
He was always on of my favorite Blazers growing up.
Kermit
pretty easy for me with what’s remaining.
Good guy, bad situation previoiusly, hard worker.
If i were to pick a scrub today for out team, washington would be it.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
valentine
he lives about 10 houses down the street from me and he’s always out and about around the neighborhood walking his dog, anytime i run into him he’s always very polite, class guy
#21
by ghostface przybilla on Sep 9, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions
Bryant
Because, as others have stated, he was never a Laker.
Also, I mentioned this before… he had a wave-box. That’s right, a box haircut, but with waves on top. How cool is that???
"Kingdom livin' is a full-time job; every day, I be clockin' in."
I think it was Armon Gilliam
who had a crooked box cut (on purpose, I don’t think he lost a bet)
which gave Pat Lafferty the opportunity to say “I wonder if he can stand on his head without tipping over?” on the air, back in the day.
Steve Jones was one patient man
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Valentine....
…but honestly how did this happen?
I know this is a scrub down…but I can’t vote for Bryant…he really wasn’t that good. Kermit was a far superior player.
And Kermit? How can I vote for him….he’s named after a muppet.
So that leaves Darnell Valentine…a player I liked…but………..
Can we just start over?…and this time…everyone listen to me…really…it’s not suppose to end this way…..
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Valentine. Kermit is half a Laker.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
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