Improving Rudy's Trade Value
As time continues to pass with little news on the Rudy trade front, more and more posters on this site are starting to talk about Rudy returning as a Blazer - at least to begin the season (and for the purpose of this post, let's assume that Rudy will actually consider returning to Portland).
One common theme is that if we can't get a quality asset in a trade for him now, let's bring him back and see if he can up his trade value with some quality play. My question is: How does Rudy's trade value go up in the future?
For Rudy to improve his trade value, three things have to happen:
1. Rudy has to improve his attitude.
2. Rudy has to improve his play. I'm not sure this can happen. The Blazers style of play isn't going to change drastically this year. Nate's still the coach. Roy's still the star.
3. Rudy has to get on the court - significant minutes. Where are those minutes going to come from? For me, there are four other Blazers that I would rather see getting minutes at the SG position before Rudy: Roy, Matthews, Bayless and Batum.
I would hate to see the Blazers sacrafice minutes from a another player just to try and up Rudy's trade value.
- I'd hate to see Bayless and Cunningham sacrafice minutes (as little as they might be) for what I believe is an opportunity they have earned.
- I certainly don't want to take minutes away from Matthews - we paid a lot of money to get him, we have to put him on the floor and see what we got.
- Batum is certainly deserving of more minutes this year.
Where do you find minutes for Rudy? I can see three possible outcomes.
1. Someone gets sacraficed and Rudy gets 24 minutes a game.
2. You find limited minutes for Rudy - 10 to 15 and see what he can do. Rudy hasn't proven in the past that he can produce in a limited role.
3. Rudy sits on the bench and hopefully another NBA team will appear with an urgent need for Rudy.
Personally, I don't like any of these options and I don't see Rudy improving his play enough to up his trade value. At this point for me, it's addition by subtraction. I would vote for the Blazers to take the best offer they can get for Rudy now, and put 100% of their efforts into improving the players that will be here for the long haul.
How bout you?
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PhotoShop Rudy's face on Dwight Howard's body
and let your Viral Marketing team take it from there.
by MiledAnimal on Sep 8, 2010 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Every fan has their favorite kind of player
Two years ago people who love up tempo exciting play had the spanish connection and the sky seemed the limit. Last year people who love heady, fundamental basketball had Cunningham. The Rudy camp has taken a morale hit, but the “sky” (solid role player) still appears the limit for Team Dante.
Dante is great...
right place, right time kinda player… You need someone to produce in limited minutes?? hes our guy!
Oct. 26th
Count me as a Dante fan.
His mid-range jumper is deft, dank, and icy. I also think his IQ is stratospheric.
Love what he brings.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 8, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
On Cunningham .....
No, he’s not in the top 7. I see him as number 9 or 10. I don’t see Rudy as any higher.
I just think he’s earned the right to get a short run each half to see what he can do. Maybe 5 to 6 minutes. How do you find out what he can become if you don’t open up a few minutes for him.
Last year he showed smart defense, a good mid range jumper, hustle. I’d much rather carve out 12 minutes a game for Dante instead of giving them to Rudy.
I definatley agree...
Dante= hustle
Rudy= whining
On top of that we need a back up PF more than another 2/3 guard… I think that even if Rudy wasn’t acting like this that it woud still be a good idea to trade him for another piece… Just too bad his value is so low.
I just wish Cho would make a move so I can stop thinking about it… Im excited to see those minutes go to Bayless the warrior.
Oct. 26th
Cunningham's development
is very important to the future of the franchise, as all the young talent is. He may be the 8th or 10th guy presently, but you never know when Batum goes down again, or he is converted to a place of need. I think he has game, and could be a valuable piece, given the right circumstance.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 8, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted 'Other'
If Rudy isn’t traded before the start of the season, he deserves to have a legitimate opportunity to earn minutes. The team should neither automatically sit him nor automatically grant him a certain amount of playing time.
It also doesn’t make sense, right now, for the franchise to rid themselves of him at any cost.
On a side note, I find it really funny that Cho reportedly hasn’t made it his #1 priority to find a trade for Rudy. Not because it should be, but because it’s great that he isn’t allowing himself to be taken hostage by Andy Miller and the inflammatory comments. MIller portrays the issue as “This is the most important thing for the Blazers to address” and Cho’s response is, “Eh, I’ll get around to it when I have time”. Awesome!
by Storyteller on Sep 8, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, I agree
I don’t think it’s really a big distraction for this team to have a bench player complaining about playing time. Big freaking deal. If he plays better than Bayless or Matthews, then he should get some run. If not, then he sits on the bench. Simple as that. Also, Cunningham better not be getting any actual minutes because that means that at least 3 players are hurt.
he deserves to have a legitimate opportunity to earn minutes. The team should neither automatically sit him nor automatically grant him a certain amount of playing time.
I have a tough time with the word “deserves” after the statements that Rudy and his agent have made this summer. Sure, Portland could promise him a chance to compete, but what kind of assurances can they give him that he hasn’t already heard? The ball is in Fernandez’ court, either report or be suspended. We’ll see who blinks first. Personally, I hope Rudy’s done enough at Worlds for one NBA GM to desire him, and that Rich will put a deal together that helps give all parties what they need
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deserves a opportunity ..
opportunity is the keyword. Doesn’t deserve minutes straight up, but deserves the chance to earn those minutes.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 8, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If Rudy isn't traded (I suspect he will be) and he shows up (I suspect he would) then
I expect Nate will give him an opportunity to earn minutes, but his situation will have changed. By that I mean he will get minutes at backup SG in the preseason and if he plays better than Matthews or Bayless at that position he will get the job. What Rudy needs to do is shoot 50%+ again from the 3-pt line (as he did in the early part of his rookie season) and he will get those 11-12 minutes and eventually earn a ticket out of here. But I don’t think Nate will have an interest any more in cultivating his all around game and creating a “fit” for him. Rudy now needs to be instant offense to earn minutes, and to attract a buyer, else he will be riding the pine and undoubtedly become a problem.
i.e. I don’t think Rudy will get a chance to become a 25 minutes player again, and therefore there is no chance he sticks around long term. I don’t see Nate giving Rudy the opportunity to play backup SF (on offense with Roy at SF on defense) as he did Rudy’s first two years unless Matthews starts out very poorly. I think Roy has other plans now and Nate won’t push Roy back into that role. That spot is really Matthews to lose, and he’ll have to play pretty poorly to do it. Even then, I suspect Cunningham would get a shot there before Rudy.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 8, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
What Rudy needs to do is shoot 50%+ again from the 3-pt line (as he did in the early part of his rookie season)
Without Sergio, that possibility is remote at best.
Rudy now needs to be instant offense to earn minutes,
But by all accounts, during Rudy’s last couple of game in Turkey he didn’t have a good feel for the game, in the first half.
Maybe we should start a new poll. When is the next time that Fernandez plays in an pro game. A month? Two months? A year? Two years?
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Yep, it's hard to imagine Rudy clearing his head and playing well in PDX again.
But as I said, I suspect he will be traded and not have to come back. At some point Cho may decide that bringing Rudy back to whine and pout if he doesn’t get hot and earn minutes has more potential consequences than Rudy’s threat to not report.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 9, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you touched on something that means more than meets the eye
That is, each player comes into camp all even, from Roy on down. Once you assume otherwise, you begin to stagnate your team before you even get out of the blocks. You simply cannot predict the season ahead, so if you don’t give all your horses an equal chance at the watering hole, your cheating your team out of developing an identity that can survive the long haul.
When I played ball (different sports and levels) I was involved in many varying formats when the team was assembled and finalized. Working hard and being coach-able not only,helped me be a better player, but also leveled the field a bit when talent alone was not enough. Oddly enough, when I go back and review those times, I find that the more open and less ‘pat" the atmosphere, the more they seemed to produce the better teams. There also seemed to be a better “team” feeling overall.
The bottom line and I think this is what you are saying is; everyone has to earn their minutes from start to finish. Equal opportunity to show how you fit and what options you can provide to help the team.
A cut and dry atmosphere will favor more talented players and also the ones that fit the system better. It’s to be expected that bias (if you can call it that) will always prevail when you have obvious talent or otherwise proven players in the mix., but as long as it is a fair working environment that doesn’t show favoritism, then no player will have the right to claim he didn’t get a fair shake.
I will go on to say, it appears that, at the start of the 09-10 season, both Nate and Roy had an issue with Miller. In other words it is presumed that Miller’s style of playing the point guard as a floor general, caused a lot more confusion and ruckus than it should have. The idea that you can reinvent a veteran player was foolish and not at all fair to a guy that was clearly brought in to help fill a gap. Another story, but hopefully a lesson learned and a better approach in future training camps.
[Good defense "releases" your offense]
I'd consider a mutual agreement
where he could go to Europe, and we would be the franchise where Euros would know that they’d get a fair shake if things went poorly.
It’s not like PA spent all that much on him, and he did sell plenty of jerseys.
we would be the franchise where Euros would know that they’d get a fair shake if things went poorly.
The flip side of this is Portland would be known as the team that will let a player out of his contract if he’s unhappy. There’s a European PR cost if Cho/Allen hold Rudy to his rookie agreement, but they’d be undermining their leverage with potential players and their agents if they back down. (Not just Euros, but any future player.) Besides, I don’t know if the Blazers could even receive permission from the league office to do the “mutual agreement” that you’re suggesting. It’s either release Rudy and gain nothing in return, or hold him “hostage” for 1-2 years and hope a deal with another NBA team develops
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And as some people (perhaps you, t4l) have mentioned...
We have Batum as the ultimate counterargument that we do give Euros a fair shake. I mean, he very literally earned his spot, coming in with no expectations and no suspicion from anyone he’d be starting.
We also treated Sergio fairly well I think, considering the lack of stylistic fit.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Batum is a good argument.
Sergio and Rudy illustrate the importance of team concept, and individual skill set (square peg in round hole). Pritchard found good talent, but these guys were not a good match for Nate’s system. Batum and Cunningham, better fit. Perhaps Cho is watching.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 8, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
not me, but that's a good point
my take has been to flip Claver asap, because 1) he’s not all that and a bag of chips, and 2) if you were Victor would you ever agree to come to PDX (Babbitt, etc)
I’m bullish on French prospects, but bearish on the Spaniards
(Disclaimer: I bear no ill will towards anyone who hails from the Iberian peninsula or its island precincts)
and Finns hold a special place in my heart…sisu!
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rec for Iberian
because we could go on a Hemingway tangent.
Of course, I still remember your Steinbeck faux pas.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 8, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I did throw out a "the roots of the sour grapes of wrath run deep" reference, yesterday
and I also know that the word Iberian is actually a derivative of “Hebrew” because the Israelites settled in Spain during their westward migrations
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kicked out
in 1492, which is why some folk think Columbus was a Jew, or was it Andorian?
by damonrayhymer on Sep 8, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah,
a bit naive, for my part.
It’s a business
by damonrayhymer on Sep 8, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
more like
We’d be the franchise were they know they can cry their way out of when they start playing bad.
If Rudy wont play and we can’t trade him then he should ride the bench. And we should make him a qualifying offer each year until he’s 30 to make sure he never plays for another NBA team.
by hoodieNation on Sep 8, 2010 6:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, that is the point. It's not how we look to Europeans, but how the precedent would look to all players.
You just can’t do it now that Rudy has publicly threatened to stay home. Rudy either gets traded, reports and behaves himself, or gets suspended.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 8, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Cut him loose.
As this years draft of Williams, Babbitt and Johnson, the signing of Matthews, and the trading of Webster demonstrated, the Blazers had already game planned next season and Rudy was not a part of that game plan. After all, the travel squad of a healthy Blazer team will almost certainly involve Oden, Pryz, Camby, Aldridge and Cunningham at the 4 &5, Miller and Bayless at the point, Roy and Matthews at the 2 guard, and Batum and Babbitt at the 3 spot. That’s 11 players. This leaves Rudy, Pendergraph, Williams, and Jordan as options for the last spot. (Assuming we don’t resign Mills). Keep in mind that Cunningham is a lock to travel because he can provide spot minutes at both the 3 and the 4. And the rest on that squad aren’t even a question mark. Now granted, Pryz may not travel for a few months – but that will have no impact on this discussion because the Blazers will suit up Pendergraph for the 4/5 – not Rudy
Any suggestion that we play Rudy implies that we either assign Pendergraph, Williams and Jordan to the D league, or keep them home and let them play on the practice squad when the Blazers are in town.
Only after you’ve decided who travels, can you then decide who plays. Are we really going to put Williams, who we drafted at a similar spot as Rudy, on the practice squad merely so we can up Rudy’s value? And what about Jordan? Do we need a third PG to travel and to pick up some experience given PG is a more critical slot than the 2 guard? And then, why would we take minutes from either Matthews, Bayless or Cunningham, each of which have the advantage of giving us flexibility at two slots, and whose skills at their primary position off-set Rudy’s.
And more to the point, you have to deal with the entire premise that Rudy playing will in any way change the minds of the GM’s around the league and cause him to be more valuable. They have, after all, had two years to gauge his value, and they’ve all read the same comments from he and his agent as we have. I’m skeptical that this premise has any real legs. Spot minutes from Rudy, after all, will not show case him. They’ll be spot minutes. And Rudy has already demonstrated that he does not thrive in a “spot” minute scenerio.
Rudy has become a fish out of water in Portland. He’s not a fit for this team – and any attempts to accomodate him do not help the team – they are merely accomodations that have an impact on other players who belong here. In this context, it doesn’t matter what he does. Anything he does, after all, would be off-set by the play of the player he’s taking minutes from. So, the net gain – assuming there is one – will be small.
Get rid of him, and stop worrying about his trade value. After all, players move all the time that don’t bring back equivalent value – whatever that subjective phrase means. 1/2 the number 1’s drafted each year will not, a couple of years downstream get you an equivalent #1 in that years draft. Players who don’t re-sign go into free agency, and the team that loses him often does not get equivalent compensation. It’s routine.
I’d like to see Cho do the best the can do – but that last thing the Blazers need is to have him come back because he no longer fits, and has little of value to offer.
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This is a very good point .....
the Blazers had already game planned next season and Rudy was not a part of that game plan
It was a blast watching the KP era turn this team from the jailblazers to what we have today. It’s going to be equally as entertaining to watch the Cho era refine this talent into a championship contender.
Even though they were incredibly talented, Outlaw and Webster did not always have the effort, consistency and smarts. Enter Batum and Matthews.
Even though they were flashy and could ignite the crowd, Sergio and Rudy did not play good defense, and weren’t always smart with their decisions. Enter Miller and Matthews.
You said it. There is a plan for this team to become better defenders, more disciplined, and frankly smarter on the court, and Rudy just wasn’t part of the plan.
By the way, correction of Jordan to Johnson (unless Michael’s making a comeback and I missed the Blazers signing him)
Funny it didn't appear to me that they had a plan.
I’m sure there must have been one, but that was one hell of smokescreen they laid out to cover it up. Doesn’t seem like a whole lot of wisdom was being applied in either case..( By this I mean a plan could have been in place but not that good of one.)
Rudy could be considered just another odd man out, on a team with it’s identity still not yet defined. ’Evolving" is the term KP once used during the “awareness” test last year.
When the team does establish an identity they can hang their hat on for the entire season and into the playoffs, they will be much more prepared for any future player acquisitions.
[Good defense "releases" your offense]
The black unit versus the white unit
We’ve heard for 2-3 years how the starters wore the white uniforms at practice and the reserves wore black. Nate has mentioned he wanted the bench unit to come in and play uptempo, and players like Sergio, Rudy (and Outlaw playing “PF”) were the epitome of that
I haven’t heard so much of this lately, and perhaps the injury rehab uncertainty for Greg/Joel has something to do with that. What I do remember hearing from the scouts (during the interim period between KP and Cho) was how they were looking to improve the team’s perimeter defense, and this can be seen in the signing of Matthews and the drafting of Johnson. It even goes back to the Camby trade, and the team’s defense improved last spring once Marcus and Nic joined the lineup.
Maybe I’m just hoping that they’re going to “get after it” more on defense than they have in the past, that remains to be seen. Certainly it will take more than a 8-9 man rotation to make it through the regular season, but I hope that they’ve put the idea of two units (one slow, one faster) to bed. If they all will play hard defensively, the transition opportunities will take care of themselves. Once the 3 centers are healthy it should be easier to control the paint and close out on the shooters, while hopefully pinching off the penetration and getting a hand on more deflections
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He'd never go for it... but it'd clear up roster space...
Can we just assign a non-reporting Rudy to the D-League?
Not only would it clear roster space, but it’d send Rudy a clear message that we don’t like behind held hostage by his agent…
Then, we he sulks back to the US with his tail between his legs, we ship him off to Idaho…
That should give future petulant Blazers a thing or 3 to think about…
And, if by some miracle he actually reports to Idaho, he would have plenty of opportunity to showcase his ability to hit open 3’s, which would increase his trade value…
Just trying to think OOB…
I wish I had five bucks for every time someone suggests sending Rudy to the D-League. Third year players aren't eligible.
NBA Assignments: NBA teams can assign players who are rookies or in their second season to their D-League affiliate. Players can stay with the D-League team for as long as the team wishes, and be recalled back to the NBA at any time. However, a player can only be sent to the D-League a maximum of three times during the season.
So, to summarize...
It doesn’t clear roster space, and is illegal, but is otherwise brilliant…
I’m Ok with that ;-)
Give him a chance, but the roster looks pretty crowded
There should be a chinese wall between the front office and the coaching staff. I hate the idea of playing a guy to “showcase” him for a trade, because I don’t think it works, and because it threatens to create conflict in the locker room. Front offices should be all long term strategy, and coaches should be strict short term meritocrats.
So yeah, let Rudy try to play his way into the roster. I’m guessing coach would find some time for him, because he’s a better shooter than Miller or Bayless and could help us loosen up defenses who pack the lanes. But overall, he’s competing with a bunch of guys who are pretty good, so he’s not likely to get a lot of mins, barring injury.
Rudy is
certainly, better from outside than Miller, but Bayless has substantially closed the gap from the 3 pt mark. Which brings up another point, which is that if Bayless, the younger player continues to improve as is likely, even that point starts to fade.
Can't just look at %
I think I’ve seen it mentioned that JB greatly improved his 3 point % late in the season, but he’s still not close to the shooter that Rudy is, even if that number became similar. Bayless gets his on many fewer attempts while parked in the corner, while Rudy hits from everywhere on the floor at a high frequency. Even if the overall %s are roughly the same, the guy who hits more often and from more different places is putting more pressure on the defense.
if all you're using to compare the players is 3pt%, then yeah
but the Blazers need a backup PG, and Rudy can’t provide the defense that Jerryd does. Bayless improved his 3pt% after teh all-star break by almost 10%, while he was the team’s backup PG. During the same time period, Rudy and Marty’s 3pt% digressed. Other have cried foul, saying that Jerryd’s portion was a small sample size, but he’s continued to work on his shot during the offseason, and there’s no good reason to expect him to slide back into the low 30s re: his 3-pt percentage. Could it happen? Sure. But that’s not something that anyone should predict will happen
BTW, I also recall Bayless making 3 pointers from the wing area of the court (45 degree angle) not just from the corner.
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Good thing nobody is just comparing players by 3pt % then I guess
Not sure where you got that idea, but all I was saying is that Nate would find a role for Rudy because he is by far the best shooter among the guards, acknowledging that it would be a small role because the competition is generally good.
But on the point about comparing Rudy’s and JB’s shooting, you have to try very hard to view it in a way that makes Bayless look comparable. You don’t think it’s a small sample size? Then look at his splits by month. Do you really see a trend there that tells us we should expect Bayless to be a high 30s shooter in the future? Does a 6-13 shooting streak in March alone make someone a reliable shooter.
Of course, it isn’t just that though. Like I said before, Bayless doesn’t have the same range to hit from all the same spots. He does go out to the corner, at just under a 45 degree angle there, but away the sidelines he rarely takes or makes, unlike Rudy and other good shooters (like Batum now!). That makes a major difference, because all else being equal (including attempts and makes), it gives defenses more ground to cover. But actually, all else isn’t equal, because Rudy not only makes at a higher rate, but perhaps more importantly he takes at a higher rate. Attempts, which you didn’t mention, is another huge factor in comparing shooters.
Attempts, which you didn’t mention, is another huge factor in comparing shooters.
This argument cuts both ways. Bayless should not be penalized for not having the opportunity to shoot more 3-pointers in his first 2 seasons. Rudy shot better when he was given a higher volume of shots (during his rookie season, everyone could see that Sergio was setting up #5 every time they came over half court) These extra attempts in rapid succession could easily have inflated Fernandez’ percentages—and it appears that they may have—because a year later (without Sergio) Rudy’s attempts and percentage dropped.
So, should we expect Jerryd to shoot more poorly from downtown when he’s given more opportunities (especially if they’re wide open looks, when he’s in the game with Roy, Oden etc)? Not if Rudy’s first two NBA seasons are an indicator.
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To conclude, I'm not saying that Bayless compares to Fernandez as a 3pt shooter
What I am saying, is that Rudy’s percentage dropped during the second half of last season, as Jerryd’s rose. So, the idea that the Blazers will sorely miss Rudy’s outside shooting this coming season is debatable. The Blazers have other options on the roster who can stroke 3 pointers in the high 30s, (i.e., well enough to keep the floor spread.) These other wing players also offer a better all-around game than Fernandez at the defensive end of the floor, and in Jerryd’s case, he’s slotted to be the teams’ backup PG, as he was following the Blake trade.
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That's just not true
Not sure if you’re still following this thread, but Rudy’s % did NOT drop during the second half of the season. Look up the split stats pre- and post- all star. Rudy actually improved his % late in the season more than Bayless did…
The part about Jerryd not getting enough opportunities is mostly false as well, since in the NBA most 3 pointers aren’t drawn up as primary options in the play, but are rather a product of guys creating space at the right moment and shooting well enough to justify the take. Minutes and usage (since a guy can’t receive passes for high % shots when he has the ball…) are also factors, but Rudy’s moderately higher mpg and JB’s higher usage doesn’t account for the >3 fold difference in attempts. You’ve got the causality backwards. Guys don’t make shots because they get chances, they get chances because they make shots and are good at getting open.
And there’s no statistical evidence that shooting in succession “inflates” shooting %s, although if it did and players could simply do that to make a bunch of 3s in a row, that would be considered good strategy.
Also, the part about the Blazers having enough shooters is arguably false. The coach and star player both openly said that wasn’t the case, saying we should ADD a shooter in the summer, and replacing Martell with Matthews is about a wash. But for some reason some fans think otherwise.
I’m not saying Rudy is a hugely important player, but rather that he is the best shooting guard we have and that with a general lack of shooting that is useful enough to provide some value. You claim you weren’t saying that Bayless compares to Rudy as a 3pt shooter, but your previous post in the thread was doing exactly that: comparing them as shooters to support that claim that we don’t need Rudy’s shooting. I personally think we should trade Rudy for whatever we can get, but I find it odd that anyone would try so hard to argue that he isn’t clearly the best 3pt shooting guard we have and that that shooting doesn’t have appreciable value.
Rudy put up 30 today
Here’s to hoping Chicago was watching and will want to give up Charolotte’s 2011 first round pick!

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