Stein: Chicago Bulls Still Pondering Rudy Fernandez Trade
Today's Rudy Fernandez trade rumor comes from Marc Stein of ESPN.com, who reports...
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One source with knowledge of the Bulls' thinking told ESPN.com that the club has not abandoned hope of trading for Portland's Rudy Fernandez, who has been made available by the Trail Blazers. The Bulls and Blazers have discussed a deal that would send Fernandez to Chicago, but it's believed that Portland continues to hold out for more than a future first-round pick in return for the Spaniard.
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Yesterday's trade rumor was a three-team proposal involving the New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers.
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At best, the protected Charlotte 2012 pick that gets gradually less protected
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Or possibly Indy's pick
with another asset going from the Bulls to the Pacers
Just keep playing well, Rudy. You’ll get your ticket out of the Rose City
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That trade proposal involving Indiana, New York, and Portland was a sham.
Whoever was behind that laughably underestimated Anthony Randolph’s trade value. I’m not even a fan of Randolph’s game, but that doesn’t change how he’s viewed on the market.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that Indy won't be interested in being a partner
in a potential Bulls-Blazer deal, if Chicago is willing to flip them a decent asset
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Teams can agree to various levels of protection to a first or second round pick in a trade. Usually the team relinquishing the pick wants to avoid giving up a very high pick should they have a terrible season and place high in the lottery that year. Then the pick either gets deferred to a future year when it has less protection, or depending on what was agreed upon can turn into two second round picks or another agreement. Sometimes a heavily protected second round pick is just used as an instrument to send anything back in a trade for a bad contract, and is likely to be all but worthless. A fairly well-known example recently was a pick that NY sent to Phoenix a few years ago in the Stephon Marbury trade. From there it went to Utah where it sat and got less and less protected every year because it wasn’t designed very well by then GM Thomas, and in the last draft it was unprotected and theoretically could have been the #1 pick but turned out to be the #9 pick that became Gordon Hayward. Bullet dodged for the other western conference teams.
In the case of this pick talked about above from Charlotte, it was acquired in the Tyrus Thomas trade by the Bull at the last deadline, and is top 14 protected in the 2012 draft (i.e. if Charlotte is so bad that they get a pick from 1 to 14, that pick will stay with Charlotte and not with the Bulls or whichever team then has that pick for that year), then top 12 protected in 2013, top 10 in 2014, top 8 in 2015, and completely unprotected in 2016. In the first year where that clause is fulfilled, the pick becomes active and switches hands (i.e. the new team can’t say “nah, we’ll just wait until 2016” if Charlotte is already a playoff team earlier). So there is no guarantee it will be a great pick, but it’s somewhat likely it would be a better pick than what the Bulls’ own future picks would be, or the Blazers’ own future picks.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
This works, but do we want Taj Gibson?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2far57k
The numbers match in Rudy and Babbitt for Taj Gibson and James Johnson (or just straight-up Rudy for Taj).
Can you balance out the talent with picks and cash? Who needs consideration?
Wrong move to give up so much potential shooting?
Would we even fill much of a need or bring us something new??
Are we better off packaging Rudy with Andre for a point guard?
Sorry, they just have hardly any pieces.
Would you pay the freight if you could get Derrick Rose but it cost you Nic, Rudy and Rex? Both teams would probably think they are giving up too much… maybe Nic IS too much.
Taj is a good player, but he almost exactly duplicated Dante
When you look at per 36 numbers and efficiency (he played more with Noah having injury issues). And he’s 3 years older. He rebounds a bit better, while Dante turns it over less. I don’t see a real need for him, though as said he would be a nice asset. I think I would prefer just the Charlotte pick, which is difficult enough with the statements Rudy’s agent made.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
I doubt the Blazers would trade Roy, Batum or Oden
for any package of players the Bulls could put together
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Sep 4, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
If Cho can't pull off a Rudy for Rose trade
I’m threatening to cancel my season tickets.
(sarcastic)
Rich Rolled
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Sep 4, 2010 11:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Are we better off packaging Rudy with Andre for a point guard?
If this is what “getting rid of Rudy” has come to, then it’s sad.That it would take including him as filler to a bigger trade, that’s just not likely to be in Portland’s best interest. (Of course, it all depends what the return is, and each trade proposal will have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.)
Unless the hypothetical PG in return for Miller is a legitimate upgrade, then why make the deal? Just to move Fernandez? That’s not how GMs keep their jobs in the NBA
Batum wasn’t even put into the CP3 proposals (final media consensus, despite earlier rumors to the contrary) so Nic should be viewed as being virtually as untouchable as Roy or Oden, at this point in time
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Hopefully this will play out better than we first hoped
Rudy made a fuss, got fined, and Cho did not sell low and has remained consistent that we will not just give him away.
Cho stopped the bleeding on rudys value and with the worlds showcasing his skills, hopefully his value is rising.
Bayless and Roy= Fire and Ice (TM)
Spread the word
by SpyderRyder on Sep 3, 2010 11:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly. If Rudy has a couple 20+ point games and Spain comes in 2nd or 1st in the FIBA championship,
Cho will have been a genius. His value is rising.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 4, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Getting a first round pick from Indy would have been great. But trading with Chicago, Cho better not give in.
I’d almost rather have Rudy sit than trade for Gibson, almost. Gibson would be decent but I think Chicago overrates him so much.
unless Cho can use Gibson as a future asset
but if that’s the case I’d rather that Rich put together a 3-team deal that brings the Blazers a draft choice rather than add Taj to Portland’s roster, heading into fall camp
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
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