Isola: Knicks Turn Down 3-Team Rudy Fernandez Trade Scenario
Frank Isola of the New York Daily News writes...
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According to a team source, Knicks president Donnie Walsh recently rejected a three-team deal that would have sent Anthony Randolph to Indiana, a first-round pick to Portland and Fernandez to New York.
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too bad
Frank Isola Is even less reliable the quick.
My source says portland rejected a deal to send batum to SA for a future lottery protected 1st
#88
Even if Tony Parker was part of the deal
I’d still say “keep trying, RC”
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Of course the Knicks turned down that deal, Anthony Randolph will be a way better play then crybaby fernandez down the road i guarantee that, that would be a dumd trade
by Blazingatrail24 on Sep 3, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
my spelling sucks i know but you all know what im saying;)
by Blazingatrail24 on Sep 3, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't that be
redumbdant?
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by two4larue on Sep 3, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
or...dumd as is
hes been dumd by society or dumd from watchin to much tv. Dumd and dumder.
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by cavejunctionblazer on Sep 3, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know he was trying to spell "dumb"?
The B key is nowhere near the D key.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
No matter Rudy Fernandez's recent actions, that's a terrible value trade for New York from strictly ...
an on-court sense. If Anthony Randolph is dealt by New York, it better be in a package for someone like Carmelo Anthony.
All these awesome trade ideas...
And Cho just insists on getting more for Rudy.
by 52therim on Sep 3, 2010 5:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No. It does not say that Walsh rejected a Rudy for David Lee trade.
Some things don’t need to be said.
by 52therim on Sep 3, 2010 8:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i cant reveal my source
but i can say he has a personal relationship with a current nba/exportland player
#88
Thank you
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no problem whatsoever
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It seems like a fair deal
at least from the Blazers perspective. The story doesn’t indicate what year the pick would have been, but the next couple years it could be a pretty nice slot.
That'd've been an awful, just awful deal for New York.
Donnie Walsh might be old, but it’s not like he’s senile.
Anthony Randolph will never get minutes on a good team.
He couldn’t even get minutes on a bad team.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
yeah exactly, great deal for everyone except New York
I’d take a 1st rounder from Indy/NY for Rudy…will probably be a lottery pick
But essentially trading Rudy for Anthony Randolph would be HORRIBLE for the Knicks, Randolph is young and still has a ton of upside and is a unique athlete that could still be a star, and Rudy is…..well…..Rudy
by rip_city_swagger on Sep 3, 2010 10:12 AM PDT reply actions
I think Rudy is worth more than a non-lottery 1st round pick
Despite his cry-baby, pouty antics and penchant for limp performances since being thrown to the ground by Ariza, I still think Rudy has tremendous upside if he can get his head right and his confidence back.
I want more than a protected 1st round pick for him… or let him rot until his Blazer contract expires on sheer principle.
"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010
Agreed
but I think you are confusing our old commodity, Rudy Fernandez, for the current, Evil Rudy Fernandez, that had been napalming his trade value all summer.
I would take just about anything for him before the alternative of getting nothing but a pouting holdout sitting in Spain…
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haha evil rudy
that is so spot on. he seems to be doing everythign in his power to lower his trade value.
it seems even at the espense of his Spain teams success.
this guy is commited.
at the expense of his Spain team's success?
He’s played well. His offensive averages are actually equal to if not better than Batum’s in all categories except points and assists.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 3, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Let´s see:
Points: both 64.
Reb: Rudy 37, Batum 18.
Mins: Rudy 118, Batum 144.
2P%: Rudy 72,7%, Batum 61,9%.
3P%: Rudy 43,5%, Batum 29,2%.
Ass: Rudy 9, Batum 12.
TO: Rudy 10, Batum 15.
St: Rudy 9, Batum 7.
Fouls: Rudy 10, Batum 11.
Blk: Rudy 1, Batum 4.
which makes Rudy a bit better than half the player Batum is
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Yeah, it doesn't take into account that Nic is the best player
on a good team that shouldn’t have done well, while Rudy is, at best, the second option on a team that should be doing better.
Rudy isn’t the focus of opposing teams’ defenses, or his own team’s best perimeter defender. Nic is both.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
lol, I like that
As proven playing commodities, you could make a case that several of those players are better. However, Nic leads them all statistically (looking at his combination of points, rebounds, and assists), plays heavy minutes (by international standards), and is the biggest scoring threat on the floor. Maybe “most productive” would be a better word choice?
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
oh i should have made myself clear
I was just saying during the worlds so far all of these have been an offensive option ahead of batum at one time. I dont think any are better
#88
Ok, I see your point, and have to agree
And I’m probably overstating my point, as well. I think, and am open to be corrected on this, that the reason you see guys like that as offensive options ahead of Batum from time to time has to do with the team-oriented style of play that characterizes international play, so maybe the case I’m trying to make isn’t all that strong.
However, in terms of their rank as an offensive weapon on their respective teams, it sure seems like Nic is quite a bit ahead of Rudy. Defenses should be keying in on that, which would make Nic’s role on his team more difficult, hence, despite similar numbers, Nic is probably still doing better.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Should be doing better? Spain won their last two games by some 50+ combined points.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 3, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
2 losses when most were expecting them to run the table in group play?
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
They opened 1-3
Yes, they should have done better.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Of course this doesn't take defense into account..
but Rudy is (on offense) at least playing equal to Batum. the stats just don’t lie.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 3, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
NOW we know why LMA didn't want to play for team USA
he was afraid that his FIBA rebounding numbers would look paltry when compared to Rudy’s
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Do you acknowledge that Rudy has had a good (in the very least, offensively) FIBA so far?
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 3, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He's been fine
but where was all of this passion and fire in the NBA playoffs, last April?
I’ve been hoping all summer that Fernandez will show up and play well in Turkey. Not because I want him back in Portland, but to buff up his trade value so Cho can get back a part of what Fernandez was worth 12+ months ago
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what difference does it make what I think?
Rudy can be the MVP of the WC and it’s not going to change his mind about coming back to Portland. What matters (to me) is if that Cho can find a “greater fool” NBA GM who will give him a low first round pick for Fernandez
Play gooder, Rudolpho. Make all your fans proud
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But offensively he’s been more efficient and scoring as much as Batum thus far. If Batum is doing really well, so is Rudy.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 3, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Batum wants to be a Blazer
Rudy is just another guy on team Espana who is desperately looking for his next pro gig
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is that the word on the street in Europe?
Andy Miller (Rudy’s US agent) threatened to poison the well re: the Portland organization in Europe, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Rudy’s Spanish agents are attempting to paint the Blazers in the worst possible light
I’m not realy concerned about it, because (despite Norsk’s prospect reports for the 2011 draft) the talent well from imports seems to have dried up, or at least the good ones are getting better incentives to not come over (that could change with the next CBA, if David Stern wishes it)
Worst case scenario: Jason Filippi may have to do some damage control “over there” if the Blazers want to draft and stash another Euro. I’d rather draft domestic talent at this point, at least until the new CBA is known
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hugh? no here in America
I’ve been reading comments through SB Nation that quote in particular in Golden State Of Mind to be exact that comment stuck in my mind not just in Rudy’s case but in past blazer’s trade apparently.
Blazer’s are asking too much to what Rudy is actually worth (and I actually agree sorry)
OK
I can understand that, we get occasional Spanish responses and I was wondering if you were one of them. The Blazer’s GM values Rudy as a 24-25 mpg contributer on a contending team, and he’s asking for appropriate compensation
Cho doesn’t need everyone to agree with his asking price, just one other NBA GM. Clearly, Fernandez did nothing to improve his trade value by making his demands public this summer, but he has certainly played with much more fire for team Espana than he did for Portland against the Suns back in April. Hopefully that will improve his likelihood of playing for a new NBA team this fall, but Portland isn’t going to give him away, or let him out of his rookie contract
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probably
check the BE archives in July (keywords Rudy, agent, demand)
it was all over the local talk radio 30-45 days ago
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oh so you just say whatever with no source?i understand
FYI my source says webster did not ask for a trade his agent (Arn Tellem) may have but it was not at websters request
#88
I'll buy that
Webster isn’t the kind to complain, but his agent was looking out for him. Agents tend to do that
and I’m not going to do someone else’s legwork for them everytime they ask for a url/source, especially if what they asked for was common knowledge
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Oh BTW, keep telling us what your source is saying
so we can keep a track record of his/her accuracy
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will do
but most of his info will now be on about another team because his 1st hand knowledge will come from a player not on portlands roster
#88
Shavlik's friend?
he used to come by here from time to time
nice guy, not like everyone you meet on internet chat rooms
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if it was him i wouldnt tell you
but, i can tell you the player he knows is better then shavlikm which isnt saying much
#88
I searched the archives, googled awhile, and even checked hoopshype
I couldn’t find it. I’m sure it’s there, but maybe it’s in spanish? I did find some interesting comments though;
1.Rudy and his agent have poisoned the well
2.Fernandez would’ve already been traded if his agent wasn’t out there poisoning the wells in small markets 3.Main point: don’t poison the "Oden well"
4. I hope that Paul Allen and the Vulancs haven’t poisoned the well
Someone’s fond of the poisoning wells analogy, but I bet you can’t guess who it is. (Hint: It wasn’t Andy Miller)
OK, here are the reports
Jason Quick, podcast on WaW August 18, hour 2, (24:45-25:00)
The Fernandez camp is very frustrated, there’s been a lot of dialog, some of it has even included owner Paul Allen. Rudy Fernandez is absolutely frustrated with the Blazers right now. He doesn’t like his role he doesn’t like the system of Nate McMillian, and he will not report to the training camp of the Blazers, and he will not report during the season…Andy Miller said it’s in the Blazer’s best interest [to release Rudy from his contract] because Rudy is such a high profile player in Europe and this will send such a bad message to all the other players in Europe including Victor Claver…this will send a message that the Blazers are not reasonable, they will not work with you, they do not have a good system for foreign players. That’s the only kind of leverage that Rudy’s camp has…trying to impress upon Cho, that this will send a bad message to the rest of the international players.
More Miller “Portland’s stance is that they have legal rights, but they can’t let this type of thing take place. If you send the message that this is how you will treat one of the most highly decorated players in Europe, why would anyone come to you?”"
Here’s an article where Rudy’s agent “told several media outlets that Fernandez wants to play in Europe and is willing to sit out for the next two seasons, the time left on his contract with the Blazers.”
And finally, back on August 11 we have this translation from an interview that Fernandez did with Marca
Q. You have the European big teams expecting.
A. I have those assets, which are appealing and I am delighted with their interest. But now are just speculations, cause I cannot make any choice. If that was my call, I would have done it already.
Q. And your decision would be?
A. If I could return to Europe, I would be delighted.
Ask and you will (eventually) receive. Like I said, it ’s common knowledge. Perhaps you were on vacation in mid-August?
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i dont understand?
I think i know how to read and i cant find “Andy Miller (Rudy’s US agent) threatened to poison the well”
andy miller says the blazers dealing with rudy will send a bad message- i dont see a threat
more miller- stil no threat
miller says rudy will sit out- maybe a threat pertaning to rudy but nothing to do with “Andy Miller (Rudy’s US agent) threatened to poison the well”
rudy would go back to europe and make 10 times more and be the star of his team- still no threat.
maybe you can find some more links to be analyzed or to try and twist to fit your motive, or your can admit you hate rudy and make stuff up to use against him
#88
Who said I hate Rudy?
I just don’t love him so much that I’m willing to overlook everything he’s said and done this summer and welcome him back with open arms
The Schonz said it best the other day. Fernandez doesn’t want to be here? Let him go
Breaking up is harder for some to do than others, I guess
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You don't understand?
When an agent publically says, “This could send a bad message,” he is sending that message right then and is threatening to make a bigger scene in the future. There is no twist; this was agent speak for, “I will make this even uglier.”
When the fine happened, the chatter stopped because the not-so-subtle message from the NBA (not the Blazers) to the agent was clear, “Stop messing with the Euro market, little feller, and do so now.”
Now I get it
I was supposed to read between the lines. But on my monitor everything between the lines the blank. Guess it’s time to upgrade
the agent didnt get fined
rudy did, the agent can say what ever he wants and as long as it doesnt come directly from rudy, he can say what ever he wants
#88
and while you are searching
can you let me know any quick insider info involving the movement of any player/players that came from him first, (lebron going to miami doesnt count)that actually came true? the last i remember was the big blockbuster trade for a big time player that would suprise everyone in 2009. I couldnt believe we got ruffin for diogu, man that was amazing.
#88
I doubt he's quick
But it’d be great if Quick was on here. He could make up 10x’s more stuff and it’d all be fairly anonymous. Mark Ivaroni ftw
I did ask but all I got was a bunch of quotes that don’t say anything about him (Miller) doing anything to “poison the well”. It sounds like he’s telling the blazers they’re poisoning the well themselves to me
Here's what I originally wrote that you objected to
Andy Miller (Rudy’s US agent) threatened to poison the well re: the Portland organization in Europe, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Rudy’s Spanish agents are attempting to paint the Blazers in the worst possible light
I didn’t say that Miller had “poisoned the well” but that he had issued a threat to Cho and the Blazers. Then I said “I wouldn’t be surprised” if Rudy’s European agents are attempting to paint Portland in the worst possible light.
Andy Miller is Rudy’s American rep, he talks with Quick and other NBA writers and spreads his version of “the story” to make his client look like a victim of broken promises. But Miller isn’t going to be interviewed in Spain or any European country, Fernandez has Spanish reps who take care of that, and unfortunately they don’t care if he says things that are inflammatory re: his employer in the US. Finally, the NBA had to send a 25k message and that got their attention.
But in effect, the “well poisoning” has already been done. Each time Ferandez has been interviewed by Marca during the last few years, the name “Portland Trail Blazers” has been a part of the story, The characterization has been negative, for the most part, and there has been little or no opportunity for Blazer execs (or Nate) to defend the organization’s position. That’s not what Marca is after, anyway. They wanted Rudy to tell his Spanish fans what he’s been up to and how things are going with his career—and Fernandez has obliged—but too often he’s been too brutally honest and with the internet being what it is the translations of everything he’s “complained” about have become available to Blazer fans, a day or two later.
So the big “drama” trade demand and Miller ‘s threat that Portland’s actions will send a “message” to other European players shouldn’t come as any surprise to a plugged-in Bedger. The Marca translations have been posted and debated and we all should have a pretty good idea of where Rudy’s head is at. What bothers me is when Blazer fans feel like they still need to have his back. This website is called Blazersedge.com, not Rudyisdabomb.com. When a player (directly, and through his agent) makes it clear that he doesn’t want to fulfill his contract and be a part of the team anymore, then he’s crossed a line and (while we can all empathize with his plight, to a certain degree) I don’t understand why any Blazer fan would take his side against team management.
Now, before I’m accused of drinking a red sweet liquid let me just say that I’ve written critically about Nate, Paul Allen, KP and other Blazer players, for years. I’ve been accused of “hating on” Travis Outlaw, Patty Mills, KP and even LMA in just the last 12 months. (When critical thought is reduced to “hate speech” then I fear for our country, but I digress) I have no personal animosity towards Fernandez, I thoroughly enjoyed watching him during his rookie year (I coined the term “Spanish Air-mada” etc) but I’ve been warning Blazer fans since the day he was signed to not expect a long-term relationship between Rudy and Portland, mostly because of Roy and the fact that the two of them should only defend SGs.
So, now when the chickens have come home to roost (so to speak) and Fernandez has run out of patience and is demanding a trade that was so easy for me to predict, the Blazers are the bad guys because he wants to be let out of his contract? And Portland fans are OK with giving Rudy another chance, after the disinterested way he played last spring and all of the “messages” that he and his agent have been sending this offseason?
Sorry. I’m a forgiving person, but Fernandez has crossed the line; I’m on Bill Schonley’s side of this debate. If a player wants out, I’m not going to beg him to reconsider of leave the light on for him. I’m moving on and I fully expect the team to be better off without #5 in the future
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Is your theory
that you can just write a lot of words and that makes you right? Would it be a threat then if I said that your constant need to invent quotes and exaggerate situations poisons the well of credability? Or would it just be an observation?
I'm not a published journalist, so I have no expectation of you or anyone believing that what I write is credible
99% of us here are anonymous internet posters. If you read anyone’s responses besides Ben, Dave or Lance in a search for spotless credibility, then you’re certain to be disappointed.
I can assure you, no one has ever been banned from a chat room for exaggerating, being inventive or because they were accused of their personal opinionsbeing less than 100% credible. But Bedgers are occasionally banned for combative and provocative language, which you are very close to being flagged for.
Let it go. I gave you a complete explanation of my original statement, but it now appears that it was a waste of my time
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whats the "combative and provocative language" he wrote?
“credability?”
know one has a problem with you writting your opinionn you cvan hate rudy and hope he dies, I have no problem with that. my problem is when you make up statements and cedit them to someone that never said it or you make up facts that are easily disputed. I think Rudy is ugly and im sure many people on here disagree with me. but im not going to make something up to justify my opinion (example of making stuff up. “On waw the said 82% of women think batum is more attractive then rudy”)
#88
Come on, pipgras, your "you cvan [sic] hope he dies" line is ...
blatant hyperbole — for two4larue’s criticisms of Rudy Fernandez are merely basketball related — which adds nothing of merit to this highly combative debate about a player who’s likely an insignificant asset in the grand scheme of things.
I still can't figure out what I "made up" about Rudy, or what his agent said
but I guess some people will never be satisfied with any explanation once they’ve got a bee up their bonnet
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Wow! Isnt it a shame that Rudys
value has come down to 1 1st round draft pick? At one point we coulda got so much more for him, its quite a shame cuz he is a heck ofa player. Maybe not in our system but, but in Dantonis type of run n gun style—Rudy would probably excel. I still think he is worth way more than this offer but obvously not, becuz aint no one givin us any better offers. What a shame.
Agree? Disagree?
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by cavejunctionblazer on Sep 3, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
Alan Hahn heard a different rumor. Portland simply turned down 2 second round picks from NY for Rudy.
@alanhahn: Updating Rudy Fernandez rumors: #nyknicks turned down offer from IND of 1st Rnd pick for Randolph. POR not involved, tho. …
POR previously rejected #nyknicks offer of two 2nd Rnders for Rudy.
Of course the #nyknicks could have used IND’s 1st Rounder to get Rudy (POR’s asking price), but clearly Knicks don’t want …
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Good decision to turn down 2 2nd rounders.
I don’t see many roster spots opening up in the next 2-3 years. It’s a big waste to have to cut a 2nd rounder for lack of roster room.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
not to mention
if Paul Allen wants a 2nd rounder, he’ll just buy one
top 15 or nothing for Rudy, that’s what and Rich have to be thinking
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*what he
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That obviously means Rudy will occupy a roster spot as a top-15 pick is not happening.
Does the team let Rudy compete for time with their $34M FA acquisition? Even if Rudy were to outplay WM in pre-season, which seems doubtful even if Rudy shows up, it would be very shortsighted of the team to give Rudy Wes’ minutes for any reason other than showcasing him for trade purposes. There is no future in Rudy.
Rudy is going to rot on the bench. Rudy is a whiner, but he’s right to feel like he no longer has a role on this team. Blazers have totally botched this with a lot of help from Rudy and his agent. I’m not sure at this point if the best outcome wouldn’t be cash and assurance that he’ll play in Europe instead of on the L@kers, Spurs, Suns ect. I doubt that feeling will be shared by many but the offers aren’t getting better and I doubt Cho is turning down offers that improve the team. Is it really worth the “drama” to have Rudy as a 4th option at SG?
by 52therim on Sep 3, 2010 9:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not in my book.
Ultimately, I prefer a stable team on the floor and the minutes going to players who want to be here and who fit. Letting Rudy sit on the bench simply takes a slot away from another player who can use the minutes to improve, and who will be here downstream. Rudy, at this point, appears to be a two year player who will be gone now – or later, but still gone.
And the problem I see in trading him is that every other team may see the same thing. We tend to assume that the NBA is the only option – when we know that Rudy can pick up $5 million or so a year in Europe. And this indicates that for an NBA team to complete with such a contract, they’d have to offer the same thing. And that makes them look not only at the role he will play now for them on his rookie contract, but whether or not, once that contract expires, they’d be willing to pay him $5 million a year to keep him around. And if you’re not sure about that – then you probably aren’t going to give up much in trade value to get him.
Yeah, he's a tough sell
All we as Blazer fans can hope for is that his play in Turkey has re-opened a few eyes around the NBA, and there is at least one GM/team who is willing to take on that risk. The “perfect situation” for Rudy to thrive and find happiness on another NBA roster is a pretty narrow pigeon-hole for Cho to aim at—it’s going to necessary for the other team (who is interested in Rudy) to make him the same kind of “promises” that Portland did back in 2008, and then hope that he buys into their system, etc
With the lockout looming, it’s even more of a hard sell because if I was a Euro BB player, I’d rather be signed up to guaranteed money with a European league team and playing “over there” in the fall of 2011
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That obviously means Rudy will occupy a roster spot as a top-15 pick is not happening.
Hasn’t happened yet. I salute Cho for trying to make the best deal possible and for not knuckling-under in July-August when Rudy and his agent turned up the heat. I have no idea what Rich and Paul will eventually “settle for” in exchange for Rudy, but from the rumors that we’ve heard so far, they aren’t going to give him away for a late first rounder (something they can buy for 3 mil, just about any June) or let him out of his contract.
The ball is in Rudy’s court, and it’s up to him to report to fall camp on time, otherwise he’ll be suspended and fined. I really hope a deal is reached before this occurs, for Nate and the player’s sake. They don’t need to be answering Rudy-related questions as they’re preparing for the season.
Does the team let Rudy compete for time with their $34M FA acquisition?
If he shows up to fall camp he’ll be competing with everyone for playing time. If he doesn’t, then Matthews and Bayless will be competing with Brandon and the rookie guards. “Basketball decisions” will have to be made re: playing time and rotations, no matter who is on the roster and who is healthy. I certainly don’t expect Fernandez to receive more PT if he’s on the team this fall, and I suspect he’ll be just as unhappy as he was last year about that. Like you said, his future is not in Portland.
Blazers have totally botched this with a lot of help from Rudy and his agent.
I’ve written a lot about this in the past, and I’m not going to rehash it all again. We know that Andy Miller met with KP in December and requested a trade. We also learned from Jason Filippi in March that there was a deal on the table for Rudy but Paul Allen refused to OK it. After what happened to Penn in March it’s not hard to see where Paul and Kevin were not seeing eye-to-eye and whatever the proposal was involving Rudy at midseason it wasn’t juicy enough for the owner.
KP was eventually fired, Cho was hired as GM and the Fernandez mess is now up to Rich to clean up. I suspect Allen has given him a minimum required “return” for Rudy and Cho is doing his best to deliver—with no help from Andy Miller and Fernandez who have narrowed the list of NBA teams down to a few and threatened to sit out.
So, if all of this leads you to believe that the Blazer’s have botched the Rudy situation then, fine. They’re not perfect. I was advocating flipping Rudy last offseason, because I felt that he would eventually chafe re: his role and demand to be traded. (Right on schedule) I don’t envy Cho and I certainly wouldn’t want his job, and I hope that he’ll the guide the front office into better lines of communication and decision-making so “situations like this” won’t get out of hand again, in the future.
The moral: consolidation trades aren’t always a bad thing, and delays can be deadly
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