Lockout looms over 2010-11 season
Excellent article by Larry Coon.
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A great article by Larry Coon
I dread a lockout…..
I used to be a moderate fan of MLB. When the 1994 strike cancelled the World Series, MLB lost me as a fan. I think I’ve attended 2 games since then – always with a large church group – and have bought $0 in memorabilia. The last time I watched a World Series game was when I was at a friend’s house and he, as a huge Angels fan, was watching his team. What was that? 2003?
Now a lockout in the NBA would probably not force me to stop following professional basketball. But the league just enjoyed an all-time high in yearly revenue and I shudder to think how an extended lockout would affect followership among casual fans (those who follow the NBA like I used to follow MLB).
Ugh, no wonder you didn't get back into baseball
The 2003 series was by far the worst of the last decade. Even worse than the Red Sox sweeps of the Cards and Rockies. Every game lasted 4-5 hours, with a billion pitching changes. 2001 was the one to watch, that re-kindled my love of the game (Gonzo poking that single over Jeter, off Mariano Rivera nonetheless – still gives me chills) but I definitely know where you’re coming from.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Sep 24, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
This is a terrific article by Larry Coon. Everyone should read it.
It answers two issues I had posed a few months ago.
1) I suggested it might be possible for a new CBA to roll back the salaries or change the terms of existing contracts (even though the NBA had not done that before). Larry Coon agrees that is possible under a new CBA and cites precedence (the NHL).
It is possible for existing salaries to be slashed across the board. It has been the NBA’s practice to grandfather existing contracts into new agreements with new restrictions (such as further limitations on salaries or contract lengths) applying only to contracts signed after the new CBA takes effect. The league and players association are under no obligation to do this in the future, and could agree that new limitations apply retroactively to existing contracts or that all existing salaries be rolled-back by a given percentage to meet new revenue sharing targets. That happened with the NHL in conjunction with its 2004-05 labor dispute, in which the sides agreed to roll back salaries in all existing contracts by 24 percent.
2) I also suggested that 2011 free agents (this affects Mr Oden) might have an opportunity to escape to Europe once the CBA expires in June. Larry again seems to agree with that.
Another strategy at some individual players’ disposal is to ply their trade elsewhere should a lockout occur. This option is only available to players who will be free agents in 2011 because players under contract to an NBA team will be unable to obtain the necessary clearance from FIBA to sign elsewhere, even in the event of a lockout. A few players might leave for Europe or China, but there likely won’t be a sufficient number of defections to sway the negotiations.
This is really great article that should be required BE reading.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 22, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions
I also suggested that 2011 free agents (this affects Mr Oden) might have an opportunity to escape to Europe once the CBA expires in June
I could really see Tony Parker doing this, unless the Spurs (or a new team that he’s traded to) can convince him to sign an extension (like Portland did with Camby last April)
Hopefully having a GM like Cho will give Portland a competitive advantage going in and coming out of the lockout, the teams that learn the new loopholes and how to quickly exploit the new CBA should be able to make some early noise. A healthy/engaged Paul Allen doesn’t hurt, either
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah, quite possibly. BTW, I really meant "take the opportunity to escape to Europe should a lockout occur".
Free agents always “have the opportunity to go to Europe” since they are no longer under NBA contract. However, most established NBA players would never do so if they lack European ties, but I could see a couple of NBA players heading to Europe for a year to get a big payday and enjoy a vacation during a lockout season.
Would Oden? I very much doubt that since he will be looking for long term contract security and not want to risk an injury on a one year contract.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 22, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that depends
would the European city Greg would play for have a direct flight to Indy? How about Vegas?
he seems like a big mama’s boy to me, he’ll want to stay close to his peeps
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Wow. What an article. Coon is a fantastic writer.
Everyone should read this. Rec for posting it.
"Conan, what is best in life?"
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women."
Talk to the small market owners of NHL franchises
See if they think the lockout was ‘worth it’…..
My fear is that a lot of NBA owners view a lockout as, potentially, a necessary evil – unless they can get certain concessions from the NBPA before next July.
by Storyteller on Sep 23, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
It took steroids to save baseball after their strike
That's Tight!
by tominhawaii on Sep 23, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
NBA owners are going to point one another
(and the Player’s Union) to the NHL strike as a better comparison than what happened in baseball 15 years ago. They’ll also count on forgiving fans.
I’m not saying they’re correct, but just where I think their mindset is at….
The NHL was in a lockout?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Sep 24, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, at least none to reaches into the season
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Yeah, that's the real question. A lockout in July is probably inevitable, but will it last until Oct or Jan?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 23, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew this day would come!
When I agreed with tih!
No way, Stern and the Labor Guy (Fisher) are too smart to let it go too far. As he said, the sport is on a great trajectory.
If I’m Stern, I tell the players: here’’s the problem. When things are going great, we all make money. (But you still yell its not enough).. But when things are going bad, you still make the same money. So if we’re making less, and paying the same, well, that’s when we yell…
My proposal would be, OK, so how about we agree to this: each player gets a percentage of the gross revenue of their team.
Things going great, ticket prices going up, TV deals increasing, everybody gets more. Team sucks, nobody goes, everybody loses. That’s the best part: the incentive it truly gives the players to make their team great – a percentage of the gate!
You could add protections for the players in:
. Team salaries must at least be 50% of gross revenue.
. Bonus of 1% if team reaches playoffs…, etc,. in playoffs
You could build in competitiveness for the league:
. Team salaries may never exceed 80% of gross revenue..
. No player may ever exceed 20%.
. No team can have more than 3 players 15% or over
The system itself is auto-correcting with the vagaries of the economy. It gives players true incentives to succeed as a team, and rewards players financially for their success.
One negative that comes to mind is what happens when a player is traded, I would guess they’d have to agree that old contract is out the window… (10% of Boston revenue <> 10% of Indiana revenue)
And of course, I was just tossing % out there for discussion purposes – those would probably be the focus of much bargaining….
Thoughts?
Interesting...
I’ve been wondering if the way to resolve all of this is a similar approach to salaries.
Rather than a salary being a fixed dollar amount, make that salary a fixed percentage. Say, a MAX salary cannot exceed 25% of a team’s salary cap figure. And maybe a minimum salary is 1%. Veteran’s minimum with say 10 years of service is 3%. You can assign percentages to all kinds of different scenarios and differnet year’s of service in between.
This would also mean when B-Roy signed a MAX contract, it would be 25%. When LMA signed his deal, it would be for say 20%. It would then be up to Portland who makes how much of the remaining 55%. No team could exceed that 100% mark (even to re-sign their own free agents, but they would be able to offer one extra year to a player with Bird rights) and no team could fall below an agreed upon percentage, maybe 75%?
They would still need to agree on a way to determine that salary cap vased on BRI, but at least with an approach like this, when league-wide revenue is down, so are ALL players salaries. Also, since this would be league-wide, playing for a team like the Clippers that aren’t interested in building a winner doesn’t adversely affect a player’s salary. Anything that is good for the league revenue-wise is then good for ALL PLAYERS salaries. Likewise for things that are BAD for the league revenue-wise.
by Rodney Gustafson on Sep 27, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
These battles suck
where you basically hate both sides, but don’t want either to lose.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Sep 23, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice pualo...
That beats millionaires fighting with billionaires!
Oddly, it looks that the Players have the better trump card
The only thing saving the owners from themselves from unrestricted spending on players salaries is the CBA. IF the players decertify the union, then their will be no caps meaning teams will once again be competing for talent ala Miami (or not, here’s looking at you Clippers), meanwhile if a lockout occurs exisiting contracts must be paid while owners face an antitrust lawsuit. Decertification is best for the stars of the league and bad for mid-level to fringe players.
Personally, I’d rather keep the CBA as it does limit teams from buying up the talent (even though Paul Allen would have a certain edge there) making a more competitive league. But really from the players perspective breaking the union and eliminating collective bargaining will enhance players salaries more than any other outcome (because lets face it some owners will buy up the top players if given a chance).
Decertification is best for the stars of the league and bad for mid-level to fringe players.
Which is why that is very unlikely to happen. A lot more players would lose than win and the league would be thrown in turmoil, which ultimately costs the players too.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 23, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
if the players decertify and there's an anti-trust lawsuit, when the smoke finally clears they might as well rename the league
toss out the record books, call it something else
because it won’t be the NBA anymore, it will be something completely different
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Which, on the other hand... could be fun!
I started to reply with all of the fun things we could do to change and liven up the NBA….
But it got too long, so I’m gonna put in a fanpost..
I'm going to be majorly bummed if there is a lock out.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Anti-trust
I wonder if the league could respond to a decertification by making itself one business in fact. All the teams could merge into a single corporation, with each current owner given a share of ownership in the new entity. Would the government allow it? I think they would. It would have a monopoly over high level basketball, but it’s still competing with all the other sports.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
bring back the ABA!
and the Continental Basketball Association
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
David Stern: "No Paul you can't trade Miller for CP3, it's the Knicks turn to win the championship this year."
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 23, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Have never even had a bite of this "substance" meat. Wonder if I can order it. Does anyone know if Stern's Delicatessen has an online site?
Responding to Hunter’s “baloney” comment, Stern stuck to his guns. “I grew up in Stern’s Delicatessen,” he said in June. “He has his meat wrong. This is substance.”
One more indication of the owner's expectations:
Wizard’s new owner calls for – and expects- a hard cap
“In a salary cap era — and soon a hard salary cap in the NBA like it’s in the NHL — if everyone can pay the same amount to the same amount of players, its the small nuanced differences that matter,” he said.
That cost him a $100K fine from Stern!
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 30, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's another thought
Let’s say that the owners get their way and get a hard cap. Now, some teams must cut players to get below the new cap.
So, is Portland looking at this as a possibility? We hear John Canzano and others crying out that Przybilla must be traded this year. But might keeping his existing salary serve as a hedge against having to make a cut or two if this scenario actually plays out?
Just a thought….
I've been telling people for a long time
The lockout will eliminate the entire 2011-12 season. You watch. I can almost guarantee it. The NHL lost season is the role model here; it doesn’t matter that the NBA is more popular.
Not a chance. The players get hungry by January and need money to eat. The last NBA lockout is a better model.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 30, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions































