No Cheerleaders/Dancers Present When Turkey Plays in FIBA Champs.
For political reasons or social reasons , whenever Turkey has played in this year's FIBA Championships , there have been no dance squad performances or cheer leaders. Some speculate the women have been removed due to the request of Turkish govt. officials who have been in attendance. Others believe it is a difference of social standards and norms- to see scantily clad women dance provocatively is not acceptable in Turkey.
Personally I think this is a bad thing. I certainly don't believe women should walk around covered from head to toe, or removed from sight becuase they are dressed in sexy outfits. Concealing women or considering their presence to be unfit for polite society or indecent is just as bad as exploiting women's bodies by using them as sexualized props.
Anyway, interesting read.
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If the games are in Turkey then they can do whatever
Its just how their society is and it is up to the people themselves if they ever want to change such norms or not. Maybe not this generation but newer generations might. I dont know how stringy the Turks are overall about women but getting the cheerleaders out of their will definitely not ruin a basketball game.
WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE
oh but if the games arent in Turkey then the Turks should just shut the heck up
and deal with the implications of being part of a global society
WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE
Which I think they have...
At least I’ve heard a certain Hedo supports ‘global society’ wherever he goes.
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There is no global cultural standard
What would we say if part of the half time show was an actual orgy in the middle of the court? There is a point when each of us says we’re not comfortable stepping that far out of our familiar environment. If Turkey officials insisted that there be no dancers at any FIBA event, that would be unreasonable. This is merely good manners. Or do you serve steak or vegetarians?
by Decaf on Sep 2, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
still punchy, since a steak once was a vegetarian (grass-fed or otherwise)
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by Honka Playboy on Sep 2, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know, I guess I’d serve the vegetarians if they were organic and free-range. I hear they are tasty with a raspberry glaze.
;-)
Personally, like was said before me, if the games were in Turkey, I can see banning it, but tolerance goes both ways; the Turkish officials should be as tolerant of the customs of the nations where these games are being held. It doesn’t mean they have to look. FIBA is being very accommodating.
I agree they're being accommodating,
but I guess if I were in their shoes I’d be inclined to do that same thing. After all, those same Turkish officials probably watch other games that have dancers and I haven’t heard about any complaints about those. Its only the games that Turkey is playing in that they’re not scheduled. I guess I would see it as highly disrespectful to integrate something they would likely find offensive into an entertainment venue that they are helping put on (by putting together a competitive team).
I’m not religious, but I don’t swear around my religious friends and family. Maybe they wouldn’t mind, but I still won’t (unless I hit my thumb with a hammer or someone cuts me off in traffic. But I consider those emergency swearing situations).
I just have emergency stripper situations.
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Break Glass for Stripper
I know what you’re talking about. Only since I’ve been married, I avoid ESS (Emergency Stripper Situations).
If you live in Portland
you should relax and realize that emergency response is available on few blocks
I agree 1000%
I certainly don’t believe women should walk around covered from head to toe, or removed from sight becuase they are dressed in sexy outfits.
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by faith on Sep 2, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Turkey has transitioned from a secular gov't into a Muslim country, during my lifetime
and they are poised to become more involved in ME politics, in the future
(e.g., the Turkish/Ottoman empire)
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yes, and also a more democratic country
if your lifetime is 50 years, you seen 4 coup d’etat in Turkey. The urban elite of Istanbul and the military controlled the country; the same pushed for secularism and modernization. The countryside, southern and eastern Anatolia especially, has always been more conservative and religious
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by Honka Playboy on Sep 2, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad and somewhat islamophobic joke. Turkey is a country with a long secular tradition, and women are e.g. forbidden to wear head scarfs as a religious symbol in universities and schools and in other public offices.
http://web.wm.edu/news/archive/index.php?id=3529
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf_controversy_in_Turkey
The current government might be more conservative than previous ones and is considered a step back by some observers, but Turkey is a bad example to single out cultural differences for countries with a muslim majority. It’s not all perfect in terms of human rights or women’s rights (one reason why Turkey won’t be in the EU any time soon), but neither are EU countries or the US. Honestly I think it’s a pretty dumb NYT article.
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And this is not meant as a critique of you or Sophia's post, just of this remark that is far from the general situation in Turkey
I think it’s a lazily researched article that doesn’t reflect the nature of the Turkish society and fails to neglect struggles between the still dominant western-oriented secularism of the country and more conservative forces. Maybe i’m just in a crappy mood, but seems to me that the author went after this angle since there was nothing controversial to write about a basketball tournament. ‘Oh, it’s a muslim country, so they must be somehow against women’s rights for religious reasons. And look, there are guys from Iran involved too. That’ll do.’ The author might have been in Turkey, but he e.g. failed to see what Honka Playboy remarked above.
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And all sorts of strange sexual stuff.
It is interesting how into sex Muslims were historically, but now abhor it.
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Is your real name Tobias Funke?
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No but I appreciate the implication
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I think team Poland was knocked out early in this competition
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İ'm in Istanbul...
… And there are cheerleaders during games.
İ saw the game Turkey-Greece on a giant screen in Istanbul and there was a show with cheerleaders during all TO…
They should have BELLY DANCERS!!!
That would be totally in line with their culture. They even have belly dancers in Saudi Arabia, a country with very severe dress codes.
The Turks should let the dancers perform
Just have ’em do so in burqas.
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