Artis Gilmore responds to comparison to Greg Oden
by oaklandhillsblazer on Sep 14, 2010 1:24 PM PDT
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First time post - long time multi-x a day lurker
After reading the Kevin Pelton Computer ga-ga over Greg Oden post here: GAGA , I thought the comments would be very interesting and they were. One thread in particular that peaked my interest was started by AK1984 regarding a comparison to Artis Gilmore. Now I have to admit I've forgotten about Artis Gilmore so I had to do some research to see if the comparison really rang true. My journey:
Step 1- Basketball Reference - where I looked to check stats and found Artis' amazing stats - if Greg hits we're set
Step 2 - Youtube - any videos where I could check the stylistic comparison - not many videos (AK1984 - any other sources?)
Step 3 - See any news on Artis Gilmore - where is he now, what's he doing, etc. This is where it gets interesting, I found Artis' website and link to his Artis' blog and realized that he blogs and no one really comments (so unlike blazersedge) so I figured I'd see what the man himself would say if I posed a few questions regarding Greg Oden. First question would you be willing to help train/guide Greg if asked - not sure if Greg needs it, or wants it, just wondering if he would be willing to do it. Second part, how do you think Greg compares to you.
I expected a personal email, a one liner, or nothing at all.
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wow, that's great. Thanks for sharing with all of us!
"So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past."
Very resourceful. Very cool.
He didn’t say too much about how Greg’s game would/should compare to his own, but it seems a pretty good comparison to me.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 13, 2010 11:39 PM PDT reply actions
And thanks to Artis.
Though I can’t read this since the site is tagged as “blog” and thus blocked. Can anyone reproduce some highlights here?
In Bayless I trust.
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here you go:
1) says he would be willing to work with Oden if the Blazers called – but understands he is old school and probably not on the radar…
2) says Oden has been injured too much to draw any specific conclusions
3) says Oden, with his prodigious strength/size – should focus on leveraging those physical gifts by learning to out-think opponents in addition to overpowering them…(work on footwork, etc.)
4) says Oden will need an adjustment period to re-acclimate to the NBA game
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Sep 14, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
To everyone, please don't paste Artis' blog post in full over here
Blacknoise did a nice job summarizing it for those who can’t read it directly. It’s worth visiting his site to read it if you can, and leave a nice comment for him.
Obviously I don't want the whole article.
That would be illegal, but more importantly, rude to Artis who took the time to write it over there. Why so patronizing?
In Bayless I trust.
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No patronizing intended
I had to delete comments that had cut/pasted the whole article earlier today (I’m guessing you didn’t see it). It was simply a request for others not to continue doing it.
Ahhhhhh.......
Wo ming bai.
I was probably asleep. Thanks for the explanation!
In Bayless I trust.
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Some sites are blocked, others not. It depends on how tight the IT group set the filter. Mine’s pretty tight where I work too, but I was able to read Gilmore’s site. And thank god I get to see Blazers’ Edge where I work or there might be trouble!
"Religion is the banana skin: spirituality is the banana." ~ Roger Nygard, "The Nature of Existence"
Not IT group filter.
I’m in China.
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Artis Gilmore is too modest when he writes, "I believe I was a physically strong player"
He was universally acknowledged as an INCREDIBLY strong player. As I recall, the consensus was that if Gilmore hadn’t been such a nice guy—so concerned with not injuring other players—he would have truly dominated.
Of course, Wilt also showed some restraint. Had those two wished to, they could have pretty much stuffed most of the guys guarding them thru the basket along with the ball. But instead, they showed restraint, often settling for a finger roll.
That goes to what Gilmore says in this blog entry: that GO should focus on out-smarting opponents, not overpowering them. Because, really, Shaq is the only big that the officials have ever allowed to just bull his way to the basket. And even Shaq stopped getting those favorable whistles after he left the Lakers.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
by hurryup09 on Sep 14, 2010 7:18 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This is great.
I would have enjoyed a more concrete comparison (like player x only goes to his right, or my weak side blocks were…), but this was a great use of modern tech, and an example of how communication can bring the past and present together.
My earliest memories of Gilmore, I think he was older, playing for the Bulls, and he was not all that productive, pretty much just a big body, taking up space in the paint.
Perhaps you could use your connection
to have Gilmore do a scouting report on himself, how to defend him when he was at his peak, describe his tendencies, his strengths and weaknesses, etc.
It would be interesting to see what he thought of his game now that he has the full advantage of hindsight.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 14, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Great idea - message left on his blog
We’ll see if he responds as well to this idea.
by oaklandhillsblazer on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
gilmore aba and nba stats
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1987-88 Boston Celtics C 14.8 57.1 0.0 57.4 12.4 19.0 2.5 0.8 1.9
1987-88 Chicago Bulls C 14.3 50.9 0.0 51.3 4.5 13.9 2.8 0.6 1.8
1986-87 San Antonio Spurs C 15.3 59.3 0.0 59.7 7.8 18.0 7.0 0.7 2.1
1985-86 San Antonio Spurs C 18.2 61.5 0.0 61.8 7.8 19.2 4.7 0.7 2.4
1984-85 San Antonio Spurs C 20.0 61.9 0.0 62.3 9.5 23.8 5.1 0.6 3.4
1983-84 San Antonio Spurs C 16.7 63.0 0.0 63.1 11.0 22.5 3.5 0.7 3.3
1982-83 San Antonio Spurs C 19.4 62.7 0.0 62.6 11.6 25.0 4.8 0.6 3.6
1981-82 Chicago Bulls C 19.6 64.7 100.0 65.3 9.5 23.3 5.7 0.7 4.3
1980-81 Chicago Bulls C 18.5 66.7 0.0 67.0 8.9 23.1 7.0 0.7 3.8
1979-80 Chicago Bulls C 20.7 59.2 0.0 59.5 7.7 22.6 10.0 0.8 2.1
1978-79 Chicago Bulls C 23.0 57.7 25.2 57.8 9.8 24.4 9.5 0.6 2.6
1977-78 Chicago Bulls C 25.3 55.7 0.0 55.9 11.0 26.2 10.2 0.6 3.2
1976-77 Chicago Bulls C 22.4 52.2 0.0 52.2 10.9 27.5 8.4 0.6 3.9
1975-76 Kentucky Colonels C 24.1 55.2 0.0 55.2 11.7 25.0 6.9 0.7 3.1
1974-75 Kentucky Colonels C 22.5 58.0 50.4 58.1 12.3 25.5 6.5 0.7 3.9
1973-74 Kentucky Colonels C 20.0 49.5 0.0 49.3 12.6 27.6 10.3 0.6 4.1
1972-73 Kentucky Colonels C 19.6 56.0 50.4 56.0 12.9 28.7 9.0 1.3 4.2
1971-72 Kentucky Colonels C 20.8 59.9 0.0 59.8 13.2 24.7 6.7 1.1 3.8
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sorry that didnt copy in better
was a big gilmore fan in the 70s and 80s. if oden has a career approaching this, statistically, there may well be great things in blazer future.
to put into proper frame of reference, one has to remember that gilmore played against jabbar, lanier, laimbeer and other very good centers of that era
I remember his last season with the Celtics and Bulls. Poor dude could barely move. Anyone who saw him in college or in the ABA will remember him as a very athletic and huge guy who blocked every shot within 15 feet of the basket. He was awesome. – Elgin
"Religion is the banana skin: spirituality is the banana." ~ Roger Nygard, "The Nature of Existence"
I really wanted Gilmore as the Blazers big man coach I hope the guy they hired comes through
Greg Oden was 100% the right pick over Kevin Durant because defense wins championships. Healthy or not, in 10 years Oden will clearly prove to be the best player of the two.
Great post
Thanks for your thoughts and sharing the response.
"Who Shot KP?" - Krang
What really stands out to me
is that Artis was a virtual ironman. I don’t recall him as much of a defensive specialist, though. I think I would be satisfied with Nate Thurmond-like numbers for Oden.
The Dude abides.
My memory is getting grainier, but I remember Gilmore and Thurmond as being just about equal as defenders.
"Religion is the banana skin: spirituality is the banana." ~ Roger Nygard, "The Nature of Existence"
Artis was known for his strength and thunderous dunks, like Greg
after watching the old newsreels of the NBA in the 60s last summer, Nate was a beanpole compared to Gilmore. Thurmond was a great rebounder and steady scorer, but compared to giants like Chamberlain and Dawkins those 7-footers back in the day look as skinny as Tayshaun Prince
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Nate "The Great" was indeed slender
But he was extremely strong. He held his own in his match-ups with Wilt. And Kareem always has said that Nate was the toughest defender he ever faced.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
And let us not forget that Thurmond played "with" Wilt for a period of time
on the Philadelphia and then San Francisco Warriors.
The Dude abides.
I actually recall Gilmore as being a defensive "threat" by virture of his size.
Not that he wasn’t effective, but not a defensive monster like Thurmond. He was, however a better offensive player. For a big man, Thurmond had a pretty poor shooting percentage. An interesting fact about Nate Thurmond was that he had extremely small hands and couldn’t palm the basketball.
The Dude abides.
Nate Thurmond was that he had extremely small hands and couldn’t palm the basketball.
Jerome Kersey is the same way
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at least
but it seems strange that anyone 6’7 or taller would not have long enough fingers to palm a BB
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Gilmore confirms
the view of Oden I expressed on several occassions. The lack of practices, playing time and conditioning over the last three years has left Greg unprepared and unable to perform at the NBA level. Even now the expectations of many Bedgers for Greg’s performance are completely unreasonable. He needs to handled in my view as a unique project player with a certain amount of potential with no guarantee of achievement. If Greg is on the floor and making a contribution at the end of the season, but certainly during the playoffs along the lines of Bynum’s performance last season, we have to consider it a successful season. He could accomplish this as Gilmore suggested on the basis of his physical skills but for any higher level of performance with an eye to a long career then Greg will have finally have to stay on the court and master the skills of an NBA center.
I think Gilmore's point is that given the number of games greg has played and the vast amount of downtime
he should be handled like a second year p;layer coming off a rocky rookie year and not as a four year veteran with those expectations.
In other words this is NOT the year – no matter how much we devoutly wish – where he will, even if healthy, prove that he was a better pick than Kevin Durant. If that ever happens its a couple years down the raod at least.
The sooner we can get past his draft pick history
the better for us. We can then root for a great young guy with a big smile, a big heart and a great attitude. Joel Przybilla’s lack of scoring never hurt him in the eyes of the fans and the same can be possible for Greg.
by oregonslee on Sep 14, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish it were true, but it won't be. Did Martell ever get over being the guy the team drafted instead of Chris Paul?
Fans don’t think that way, it will always be the league of coulda, shoulda, woulda…
Oden has clearly demonstrated he has #1 pick performance capability
the only major question is whether he can sustain superstar performance for a full season. Mind you, Greg’s rookie season was well above average by more than one measure – and his second season rates exceptional in limited time.
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Sep 14, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Cho < KP re: commitment to Oden, long term
But what really matters is Paul Allen. (Did he really want to draft Durant and was talked out of it?) Regardless, the time to move Oden (if the Blazers ever consider doing such a thing) is after Greg is healthy, active and dominant. But of course when/if that time comes, no one will think that flipping Oden is a good idea.
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Yes: GO's play in the weeks leading up to his last injury was remarkable
Having said that, he now must deal all over again with rust, lack of conditioning, and fear of injury.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Next question for Gilmore's blog
Are you and Maurice Lucas friends? ;^)
Artis is an extremely well-written gentleman
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Thank you so much.
This legendary pivotman set himself up for a phenomenal career with his conditioning that I’m not quite sure Oden has.
The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net.
At least he was phenomenally healthy, at one point playing 670 consecutive games. That even outpaces players like Miller, Prince and Nowitzki who are among the healthiest in this era.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Not to knock Gilmore, who was a wonderful player...
But he wasn’t the leaping, shot-blocking, goal defending athlete that GO is. Centers like GO are always going to have SOME injury issues.
Just look around the league; Bynum, Nene, Camby, Przy, etc.: they’ve ALL had a lot of injuries. Just not the kind of devastating injuries—one on top of another—that GO has suffered.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Sure, in the current crop of centers Greg might not even be an extreme outlier once he hopefully brings up his number of games significantly over the next few years. But Gilmore truly seems off the charts. 84, 84, 84, 84, 84 in the ABA. 82, 82, 82, 48, 82, 82, 82, 64, 81, 71, 82, 71. That is outstanding. He’s the #10 in total regular season games (ABA and NBA combined) of all time. And the #8 in minutes played (again regular season).
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
and yet, he's not in the NBA hall of fame
but Bill Walton is, having played only 468 regular season games (or under 6 seasons worth)
How important was that game 3 in Portland during the first round of the ’77 playoffs? If the Bulls had advanced, they might have gone all the way, as hot as they were playing (20-4 down the stretch) No one would have been very surprised if the Bulls had knocked the Blazers out in that series, and then what would the legacy of the two centers have been, in retrospect?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
To be honest, you seem to be more picking out guys who have been injured
then ascribing them all to a similar cohort. Przybilla, Bynum, and to a lesser extent, Camby, are no more athletes than guys like Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Erick Dampier, Kendrick Perkins, Ben Wallace, or Sam Dalembert, none of which have accumulated any significant injuries even though they do tend to miss a couple games every year. And then of course, there’s Dwight Howard who never seems to miss a game.
So while it’s pretty indisputable that centers/bigs tend to be more injury prone than other players and Norsk is right that Gilmore is an extreme outlier in terms of games missed, it’s by no means the case that every athletic big is doomed to have serious injury issues now.
#52
Awesome. Hope this gets picked up by Yahoo (Ball Don't Lie) and ESPN (TrueHoop).
I still think Greg’s ideal upside could be Robert Parish (statistically he and Greg are the only players who achieved a certain combination in their rookie and sophomore seasons), but at this point in time Artis makes a very good argument that Greg needs to become any kind of reliable professional ball player first who can trust his physical abilities and help his team to win, before starting to add to that again and become more of a two-way force like he seemed to demonstrate in a handful of games last year.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
And they both look(ed) like men twice their age...
"Easy for you to say coach, you don't have Big Greg rolling up on your blind side about to lay the wood to you." - Batum
by No you di'nt on Sep 14, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Parrish was also known for smokin' the ganja
Inhale to the Chief
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by two4larue on Sep 14, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought....
I thought Gilmores comments very insightful.
I still remember as a kid going to games and watching Gilmore. Gilmore vs. Walton was one of the best center match-ups of the time.
Gilmore was a great center. In a weird way he probably never got the credit he deserved. But in his prime, and given his career? He was one of the best.
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This is the kind of community-generated content...
…That really makes me love this site.
thanks
That’s why I’ve been a multi-x a day lurker…
by oaklandhillsblazer on Sep 14, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Trivia question
One of my favorites:
Who was the other 7 footer Artis palyed with at Kentucky? They were the first twin towers.
Pembrooke Burroughs
Didn’t even need to look that one up.
UCLA beat ’em with a much smaller front line of Rowe, Wicks and Steve Patterson
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Oops, I thought you meant Jacksonville
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Was Issel a 7-footer?
I always thought Dan was more like 6’10
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
6'9, according to b-r
Artis’ tallest teammates with the Colonels were Caldwell Jones, Jim McDaniel and Tom Owens. All are listed as 6’10-6’11
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Just took a wild guess based on my limited knowledge
Just wanted to post that 70s logo really.
MnPDX
by kentuckybred on Sep 14, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
oden should copy artis' hairstyle
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Nobody messed with Artis
and then along came Mo…
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“I covered the Kentucky Colonels for the Louisville Times and they’re as much a part of my happiest days as my family. One memory that stands out: One night at Freedom Hall, Maurice Lucas of the Spirits got under Artis Gilmore’s skin. Artis, normally the most gentle of giants, started trying to punch Lucas. Artis had superhuman strength, but he wasn’t much of a boxer. His blows were almost slaps. Lucas, one of the league’s most feared fighters, backpedaled the length of the court. When he got to the baseline, he planted his feet and hit Artis with a straight right to the jaw. Artis went down in sections. First his knees crumpled, then his waist folded, then his arms flailed and then his trunk and head found the floor. By then, teammates had broken up the fight. Those who knew Artis were shocked and saddened, not that Artis had lost a fight but that he had even been in one. His agent, Herb Rudoy, flew in from Chicago to soothe the big guy’s psyche. You know the rest. The Big A got over it and Lucas eventually became a Colonel, too. "
Gilmore gives a first-hand account of his most-memorable game here. It was game 2 in the ‘77 playoffs against Portland. One thing Artis failed to mention is that there were scab refs working that series, and on one call the ref was ready to whistle a 6th foul on Lucas but Luke pulled the whistle out of the ref’s mouth and gave him a glare. No foul. No T. Play on!
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by two4larue on Sep 14, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
funny stuff.
enjoyed that immensely.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, that's a pair of great Maurice Lucas stories, there
But the one about intimidating the ref is the best Luke story I’ve ever heard.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
there was an activist who lived with Walton back in the mid '70s
last name Scott, I can’t remember his first name. He wrote a book about the championship season. I don’t have it anymore, but the whistle anecdote was from Scott’s eyewitness account
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Thanks
I recall that there was such a book. If there’s more anecdotes like that in it, it’d be worth a read. Hilarious.
BTW, thinking about it, if I were that scrub ref, I’d do the same thing that guy allegedly did. Why risk getting clocked by a guy like Maurice Lucas for a lousy temp gig? Take the money and return home in one piece.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
If there’s more anecdotes like that in it, it’d be worth a read. Hilarious.
There were a lot of political statements to weed through, and it wasn’t that well-written. But back before the days of the internet we’d grab just about anything Blazer-related
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Jack Scott. Scott was probably the person most responsible for Walton leaving the Blazers.
Scott and John Bassett (Portland attorney) were Walton’s agents at the time he left Portland. A great account of that entire story is found in this SI article from 1978.
Scott was a self proclaim “radical” (which he defined as “rational and humane”) that was athletic director at Oberlin College from 1972-74.
There’s an interesting article about Scott at this Link.
The self-proclaimed "guru of jock liberation," Scott was a leader in an incipient movement that called for humane treatment of athletes, increased funding and opportunities for women athletes, a say by athletes in how their teams should be run, elimination of the profit motive in college sports, and eradication of drug use.
He is perhaps best known for being involved in the Patty Hearst mess.
Scott moved back to Berkeley, became close with Bill Walton, the counter-culture NBA star, and penned his eponymously titled book. Later that year he would become friendly with members of the Symbionese Liberation Army, and, it would later come out, chauffeur Patty Hearst from Berkeley to her hideout in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. He was a main character in our nation’s greatest captivity narrative.
Scott got off free, though many of his friends and former colleagues were later interviewed by the FBI. Two, Jay Weiner and long-time friend Phillip Shinnick, eventually served jail time for their association with Scott and, Shinnick would later claim, to motivate Scott to cooperate with authorities. There’s a lot of murky speculation as to how Scott evaded jail, and the archivist at Oberlin tells me some people are interested in writing Scott’s biography but are afraid to do so.
Scott was also known for his involvement in the 1968 Olympic protest.
Jack Scott was a protégé of Harry Edwards, the Berkeley sociologist and author of The Revolt of the Black Athlete. The black-beret, tight pants, camouflage-wearing Edwards was pure guru material, the kind of guy who sucks others into his orbit and makes you wonder whether his intentions are, after all, so altruistic. … Edwards and Scott gained national notoriety when they tried to organize a boycott of the 1968 Mexico City Olympics. The boycott sought to bring attention to racism in sports, and called for fair treatment of black athletes. The athletes chose not to walk, but one looming symbolic gesture immortalized the effort: Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos standing, heads down, fists held high, on the Olympic podium.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 16, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that's the guy
I kept thinking his name was Jake, but that was the old safety for the Dolphins
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Excellent: thanks for all that, BFS1970
I’m old enough to have remembered part of it, but I’m also old enough to have forgotten a lot of what I once knew!
Re/ Scott, he clearly was a wrongheaded ass in many respects and should have done serious jail time. But he also was clearly right in some areas as well. My older brother was a 60’s radical about whom you could say the same (though he never warranted jail time.) He eventually mellowed and is now a “socially responsible financial planner”!
Re/ my brother, he used to tell us that the FBI had wire-taps on him. This was years after Nixon, Vietnam, etc., and we thought it was silly paranoia. But then we started to notice that you would sometimes hear these odd clicks on the line when calling my brother.
As they say, even paranoids have enemies. For a long, long time, the FBI and CIA were out of control. The Freedom of Information Act has brought a lot of that stuff to light…
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
It's amazing he didn't fracture his patella rising up to block a shot
oh wait,
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His leg sttrength is what gave him the strong foundation and long career
It’s Greg’s (and most peoples) real weakness as an athlete – inadaquate leg strength.
are you referring to the leg strength that ripped his kneecap in half?
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
In honor of Mr. Gilmore's Blog Post...
…maybe we should muster the might of the Bedger Army to start a “Gilmore For The Hall of Fame” campaign?
His stats are pretty ridiculous and apparently no one in Chicago or San Antonio is interested in doing it.
Now accepting free tickets and drinks for the 2010/11 season!
by MikeIrish on Sep 14, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd sign an e-petition or something.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
I know.
He didn’t get a single HOF vote last time around. Making him ineligible until 2012!
Pretty mind boggling.
Now accepting free tickets and drinks for the 2010/11 season!
This really is an injustice. The A-Train should be in the HOF.
Maybe it’s sort of like the BCS. He got decked by a Mo Lucas right hand, and Luke isn’t in the HOF, ergo no A-Train in HOF.
OK, seriously, Artis was an 11 time all-star, ABA MVP, ABA Playoffs MVP, Career NBA FG% Leader, ABA Career #1 in blocks/NBA #21, ABA #1 Career in rebounds per game/NBA #42, etc. It ain’t right he isn’t in the HOF.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 15, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
Greg Oden’s real challenge in the near-term will be mentally readjusting to the professional game at the highest level. To do this he needs to work closely with the coaching staff and his team mates to understand how and where he fits into the scheme of things
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he is sayin you can't play like you afraid to get hurt,
Got to play like you are healthy and not even think about it. That is the mental readjustment.
This is one of the great things about Blazersedge and
Its active community. Very cool. Wish I had thought of writing him directly.
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Okay, please, nobody else rec this fanpost.
It now has 52 recs. Need I say more?
#52
by CatMan2 on Sep 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am reccing your comment
Just because. ;-)
by Rodney Gustafson on Sep 27, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
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