Where the heck did Chris Dudley live? And does it matter?
"Republican candidate for governor Chris Dudley continued to use his Portland home during the years he claimed Camas, Wash., as his residence to avoid paying thousands of dollars in Oregon taxes."
over 1 year ago
Corvid
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Is there a cutoff when you are considered resident of one state or the other? Can you claim a main residence and one or more others?
I know a lot of international athletes (tennis players, golfers, skiers, race car drivers, etc.) formally live in Monte Carlo/Monaco for tax purposes. It’s enough if you spend more than half your time or 183 days/nights there (and they probably don’t control too strictly). Similar in other low-tax regions like Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, … And it doesn’t matter in which country the source of your income is physically located.
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I would ask that the topics of politics and religion—even the best conversations—be kept on the low burner instead of the high and that direct conversation regarding such be kept to sites more suitable for those topics
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 10, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
It's 1) on the O-Live front page, 2) an article that is 1000+ words, and 3) probably will be highlighted in the Oregonian print edition.
Flag this fanshot if you want, but it’s Blazer-related news.
It's on the front page --- It's politics.
When its in the Oregon Live Sports section - its about the Blazers.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 10, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You do realize that Chris Dudley used to play for the Blazers and still does stuff with them?
The article is 100% Blazers related.

My ideal man would be Italian, dark, muscles, juice-head, guido.
by tominhawaii on Sep 11, 2010 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
But God made Dudley so we better talk about him too!
In Bayless I trust.
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You think where he lived 17 years ago is going to affect his foul shooting this season as a Blazer?
The man is running for governor and this article is an attempt to discredit him as a candidate for governor, not as a representative of the Blazers. IT IS PURE POLITICS and has nothing to do with the Blazers. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
It saddens me this sight can be used for political purposes, especially after what Dave wrote yesterday.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 11, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
^^ this site
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 11, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The site isn't being used for political purposes
This is a Blazers site where fans post links to Blazers related news. It’s up to the fans to interpret it from there.
#11
OK, Tom. So it's ok for me to start posting Oregon Live articles that say positive things about Chris Dudley?
Or are only negative articles about Dudley considered Blazer related?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 11, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny, given that Dave just removed a post
because, in his words, “Some of the conversation was drifting into areas that made people uncomfortable.” Maybe the “OT” label is a necessary condition for these kinds of posts, but it is in no way sufficient.
And as far as “[t]he site isn’t being used for political purposes,” goes, the article is definitely written to be biased against Dudley. Newspaper journalists are taught to write the most important information, and the info that they want the reader to walk away with, as early as possible in the article. Hence, the first part of the article talks about how Dudley continued to use his Portland home while he claimed residence in Camas, only later in the article (past most people’s attention spans) stating that the Oregon Dept. of Revenue deals with each case differently. In reality, this is a non-story, as the State appears to have allowed him to claim non-resident status, though they can’t comment directly on his situation, but as framed by the O-Live, it looks like he’s guilty of tax fraud. There can be little question that the article is intended to make a political statement (you can argue that it’s neutral, but main-paging it right before an election indicates otherwise), and while I don’t think it was Corvid’s intent to do so, posting the article has the effect of using the site for political purposes.
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Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
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by Honka Playboy on Sep 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
just a bit worse than 5 year olds told to stay on that side of the line ?
*sticks tippy toes over the line when teacher turns his back.
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by faith on Sep 11, 2010 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If he hadn't've gotten caught, then it'd've been a shrewd move.
But yeah, my advice for a lot of things in life is just don’t get caught.
by AK1984 on Sep 11, 2010 12:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i have driven by his camas house before
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uninformed
Are people really this uniformed about tax laws. Income is taxed where you earn the money. His blazer salary was taxed in OREGON – don’t be short sighted. His investment income was earned in Businesses in the state of WA where you live, Such as Bank deposit interest taxes. This would no where be as much as the income taxes he paid as a blazer. Ask why all NBA players want to play in Miami. This is one of the BIG reasons we can’t attract NBA talent in Portland. The current politician has a simialar home in Colorado. Don’t think that all big money makers in Oregon do the same thing, including politicians.
My understanding is that you get paid
for 41 games of income earned in Oregon and 41 games of income earned at each location outside of Oregon. Washington doesn’t tax you for income earned out of state (I believe) so there is a significant benefit to claiming as a resident of Washington. I’m no CPA but I think that is the scam.
Republicans are liars, Democrats are hypocrites, they are both bought and paid for by corporations. Grrr.
In time,
crossing the Columbia River will be like taking a third world tour through Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Killer infrastructure, education, the opportunity to climb up to the middle class through hard work and discipline, hence keeping the occasional Blazer game and a $10 beer, within reach, these are our tax dollars at work.
By admission, Duds kept his legal address in Camas to lower his tax bill, which is cool, if that’s how he want to play it. Meanwhile, if he runs for Gov., how he plays it (what he does, and what he believes, especially since he’s never held office) these are fair questions.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 11, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
So what your saying is
that now that Dudley will be Gov. we can rest assured that he will lower Oregon’s ridiculously high taxes, and people won’t have to live in Foe Oregon (Vancouver, Camas) and can move back to Portland again. Thank you Mr. Dudley.
Is it to much to ask that we build a championship roster and stay below the luxury tax...
taxes = civilization
the old west had no taxes, which was great if you liked machete justice
If you’re only about you, instead of being about us, good luck with that lonely dirt road. We, our society, is a product of the New Deal, the jobs, the infrastructure, the education, the 40 hour work week, the parks & dams, the commitment to civility. This is not free.
One does not succeed within the confines of our society, achieve wealth, and then reject the idea of participating in it’s further development.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 11, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Welcome to Norway, where you can have income taxes above 100%. And a lot of people above 50%.
On the other hand, a lot of relatively low-income-tax countries function as well without falling into mayhem by attracting investors, and not just the Isle of Man and tiny Caribbean nations.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
I'd love to live in Norway
Compared to a tax-free paradise like Somalia.
Anyway, the real point is about leadership—if Dudley wants to be governor and cares about our state, why did he spend years trying to avoid contributing to Oregon’s infrastructure, schools, police…
I recognize that we are all fairly selfish, and it doesn’t really surprise me that many millionaires want to keep all their money, but I’d like to think that public servants aren’t those kind of people—or at least that when we discover they are self-serving, we vote against them.
That said, I’m thinking about voting for Dudley anyway, for reasons that are certainly beyond the scope of this site.
by JasonCantDunk on Sep 11, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
so...
Are you saying that if someone wants lower taxes they’re really saying that they want people to be jobless, use their outhouse, be uneducated, be overworked (kind of contradictory), have no electricity and be generally uncivilized. You really believe that? That’s what kind of Governor Dudley would be?
Outside of Half Gov Palin,
could you imagine someone so unprepared for a top political office?
by damonrayhymer on Sep 11, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
In all fairness, there are some cases wherein a political neophyte winning a gubernatorial ...
election was a positive. Off the top of my head, former Minn. Gov. Jesse Ventura comes to mind as one such example. Though, in the interest of being open and honest, I’m a libertarian who’s pleased when like-minded people find success on a political level. So yeah, I’m openly biased in that regard.
And yes, that's what I'm saying.
the role of the government to ensure the welfare of the people- FDR
That means all of them, and it’s not cheap. We live in a great place, w/ terrific resources, I’m proud to do my part.
Paying taxes is patriotic- at least Elvis thought so.
by damonrayhymer on Sep 11, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're missing the point of the two posters you replied to.
Wanting lower taxes does not correlate to wanting NO taxes. You seem to be taking an issue that comes in shades of gray and trying to polarize it into black and white. I’m pretty sure just about everyone here sees the value and neccessity of paying taxes. However being willing to pay taxes shouldn’t mean we’re expected to be willing to hand the government whatever they amount of money they think they want. Is it really so unreasonable to expect our government to use our money wisely instead of wasting it? If we see the government flush vast quantities of money down the toilet is it wrong to want public servants that will correct the error? (Please don’t interpret that as a plug for dudley, because its not, that’s a general question).
To use your quote:
the role of the government to ensure the welfare of the people- FDR
I ask you this: Is it in the best interests of the “welfare of the people” for the government to spend money irresponsibly? To take the money we entrust them with and then waste it? To take so much of individual citizens’ resources that it cripples their ability to participate in the economy on their terms?
I would think that someone who looks at what the government does, e.g. sees that when they give the government $Z and the government spends it on necessary things $X and wastes $Y then says “Hey! You’re wasting my money! Why should I give you $Z when you only need $X!” and then tries to get taxes lowered to $X is better than someone who says “I’m proud to pay taxes! Here’s $Z, buy yourself a nice jet when you’re done paving my road!”
Again, I don’t think this is a black and white. It’s a gray, and like most things in life, there needs to be balance, not some dramatic swing one way or the other.
P.S. federal budget. just for fun. and by fun I mean ouch.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
If you mean federal budget,
I’m already against the next war, as well.
But since this is an Oregon question, I believe all Oregonians should have health care, and quality educational opportunities. Great public transit, bike paths, and an end to coal energy, which is filthy, these things I stand for.
I could go on and on, but the point is that urban living is expensive. Could government become more efficient? Probably. Is that what tax cutters are interested in? Usually not.
Why is Duds parlaying his fame into a Republican run at the Governors Mansion? I’m sure he’s ready to serve the public, right?
by damonrayhymer on Sep 11, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean federal, state, and local.
But my point has nothing to do with the governors race. My point is that in the previous 2 comments you took peoples comments about wanting lower taxes and equated them to wanting no taxes, when the sentiments are in fact very, very different.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
I’m already against the next war, as well.
LOL!
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He will not be governor
Dudley is an Oligarch and Corportist. Don’t be fooled by the incessant Blazers tie-in.
Oligarchy
is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small segment of society distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.
You mean kind of like the Kennedy’s?
or, the Bush Crime Family
"Religion is the banana skin: spirituality is the banana." ~ Roger Nygard, "The Nature of Existence"
That, too, is semantically incorrect, but whatever.
Neither the Kennedy’s on the left nor the Bush’s on the right were an oligarchy, so let’s do our damnedest to avoid partisan politics when properly using words; otherwise, folks’ll be butchering the English language.
Most every member of the two major parties is a corporatist (i.e., the correct spelling); in addition, ...
the main definition of oligarchary — according to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/oligarchy — is “a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique.”
I, therefore, would argue it’s semantically incorrect to label any politician who’s won an election — even if it’s just a primary, as the case is here — with that term; that’s ‘cause they got voted to participate in the general election through the United States of America’s democratic republic process.
If you defined the democratic and republican parties as "a dominant clique",
couldn’t you also call almost all politicians Oligarchs? In a general ironic and/or cynical way of course.
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Thanks for providing proof
that it’s possible to be right on minor points while being completely wrong on the main point. There are people in the shadows working hard and spending massive amounts of capital, much of ill-gotten, to subvert core freedoms and living wages. Those people stand behind Chris Dudley in public but in front of him in their churches and boardrooms. Their interests are aligned with the gluttons of greed that have had their way for some time now. They want nothing to do with democracy because it’s become possible to buy their power from people like Dudley.
All things considered, the two-party system has become an environment of corporatism ...
filled with lobbyists, special interest groups, multinational corporations, et cetera. That doesn’t just apply to Chris Dudley, though, but also John Kitzhaber; it’s pick your poison. Yet, if I lived in Oregon, I’d cast my vote for Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Wes Wagner. I, however, live in Washington, so alas.
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by friends and allies the Kennedy clan; true friends of families and wage earners. Family friendly and wage earner friendly laws and policies is one my ideals and an ideal of the Kennedy clan. Oregon is steadily moving forward on that front and we won’t be turning backward this year at the request of the Chamber Of Commerce.
by oregonslee on Sep 11, 2010 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That makes me cry myself to sleep at night.
In Bayless I trust.
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Here's hoping he fares as well in politics as he did at the free throw line
Yale, schmale. In 16 seasons he couldn’t come up with some kind of formula to push himself out of that 40-60% bracket? Dud!
if this incompetent fool wins the election
we are screwed. oregonians will be screwed. ps – i cant wait for the debate -
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