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Blazersedge Scrubdown Round 2, Matchup #6

Here is the final matchup of the second round of the Blazersedge Scrubdown, determining Portland's favorite not-so-star-level Blazer player.

In a somewhat surprising result from yesterday's first-round run-off, Kermit Washington defeated Drazen Petrovic, meaning Kermit won his way into today's matchup.

To his regret, Kermit Washington will always be remembered for the punch that ended the career of Houston's Rudy Tomjanovic.  The image of Kermit's arm extending and Rudy's face crumpling remains one of the more visceral and disturbing in sports, especially when consequences are considered.  But the man who has become a constantly-cited reference whenever the NBA's draconian prohibitions against fighting are evoked spent three years in Portland's uniform leaving behind even more indelible memories in the minds of Blazer fans.  Those who saw him on the court remember an incredible physical specimen, a tenacious rebounder, an accomplished if reserved paint scorer.  The highlight of his Portland career came during the 1981 playoffs when he averaged 17.3 rebounds per game against the Kansas City Kings.  The Blazers lost the series 2-1.  Following an injury-plagued final season in Portland, Kermit was traded to the Golden State Warriors, playing but 6 games for them before calling it a career.  After his retirement he started doing his real work in the city, speaking at high schools and appearing on the radio alongside Mychal Thompson.  Sometimes one moment really does define a life, but sometimes a thousand little moments paint a truer picture.  Kermit Washington was the master of those thousand touching moments and Portland fans will always have a soft spot for him.

And now the final surprise of this surprise-filled second round.  The matchup on the other fork of this bracket was Antonio Harvey versus Michael Holton.  Neither distinguished themselves entirely on the court for Portland but both have gone on to successful broadcast careers.  I figured that would provide some media-on-media mojo for their contest.  As it turned out, everybody reacted with a collective shrug of the shoulders.  Combined these two got the fewest votes of any first-round matchup.  What's worse, the voting cutoff found them tied.  Originally I thought I'd stack them together, letting you have two for the price of one if you voted for them.  But since we bent the bracket a little in the Pack-Jack debacle, I've changed my mind and decided to do it again.  Sorry Antonio and Michael, for the limp lack of response you're both out.  You can head to the local watering hole and have a cold one together, complaining about how ignorant the fans are, perhaps celebrating your unique status as the only people to get tossed from a Blazersedge bracket for winning.  (I'm sure Drazen Petrovic is raising one with you upstairs...he's the only person to lose twice in the same bracket.)  Instead I'm motioning again to the bench--highly appropriate in this particular contest--and putting in one of Kermit's old teammates...a guy who, like Chris Dudley, undoubtedly would have made the second round anyway.

Billy Ray Bates rode a career and life arc that was directly opposite to that of Kermit Washington.  Emerging out of the fields of Mississippi he became a third round draft pick of the Houston Rockets in 1978 but never played for them.  Instead he signed as a free agent with the Blazers in 1980.  Immediately he began showing that he was not just in the basketball business, he was in the dunking business.  Alley-oop inbounds dunk off of a backdoor cut to win a game?  Check.  Making Darryl Dawkins--the guy so infatuated with his own dunks that he named them--cry to his mama because you jammed over him?  Check.  Shooting 49% as a guard because you're so darn good at getting to the rim that dunks and layups account for, like, 40% of your shots?  Check.  Dude was sick before sick was a compliment.  His high scoring average was 13.8 but during his two trips to the playoffs he averaged 25 and 28.  We're talking Vince Carter numbers here.  But with Billy Ray it was Half Man-Half Your Backboard's Gone.  Unfortunately Bates became a victim of his own notoriety on and off the court.  Once opponents started studying tape on him they realized that he only went a couple ways:  right and forward.  Defenders started sitting on his dominant hand and staying in front of him.  His jumper wasn't that pretty...certainly not enough to threaten them away from their defensive scheme.  That was the beginning of the end.  He didn't have enough court savvy or defensive prowess to please cerebral coach Jack Ramsay or to justify his presence on the court when he couldn't score easily.  That was the middle of the end.  The end of the end was his battle with alcohol, a vice which would haunt him through short stays with two other NBA teams and internationally as well, though he did acquit himself well enough in the Philippines to earn the sobriquet "Black Superman".  Come to think of it, that probably should have been his Blazer nickname too.

So there you have it:  Kermit Washington versus Billy Ray Bates.  Who claims the final spot in the semi-finals?  Vote now in the comment section!

  • Voting for all the second round matchups will close at 11:59 tonight.  If you want to vote on one you missed, scroll back a little.
  • The Trailblazers.com Podcast will be up later today.  We're tackling a dozen or two of your most probing questions, so stay tuned.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com) 

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Kermit

As tempting as “Black Superman” is, my Breaks of the Game induced soft spot for Kermit is too strong

by Gargen on Sep 1, 2010 11:09 PM PDT reply actions  

everybody should read that book, it is great.

GOP in HD

by 22baylor on Sep 2, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

17.3 rpg

is pretty darned amazing! I would love to see Oden pull that off this season…. (initiate daydream machine).

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Sep 1, 2010 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Billie Ray

Cuz he needs it more. I don’t know if Dave has a prize for winning the Scrub Down, but I will donate a 40 oz of Billie Ray’s favorite beer as a prize if he wins.

by andru on Sep 1, 2010 11:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Kermit Washington, definitely! I have a memory of Kermit and Shaq in a high school gym in Honolulu.

My favorite memory of Kermit Washington was in Honolulu at the Kalani High School Gym. He was as assistant coach at the Pete Newell Big Man Camp. The gym was open and there were maybe 20 spectators that afternoon sitting in the empty bleachers. I had a small shock at seeing that Kermit Washington was there. As I stared he turned and looked at me with interest – I like to think that somehow he knew that in that gym here was a lone Blazer fan.

One of the players attending the Newell Big Man Camp was young Shaq. Newell and Kermit were teaching Shaq post-up footwork. I knew that Shaq was projected for big things ahead, but that afternoon Shaq’s moves didn’t seem very sharp or particularly impressive. What I remember about that long ago afternoon was more about seeing Kermit Washington.

-jayfisher

by jayfisher on Sep 2, 2010 12:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Billy Ray Bates

He got the fanbase excited in a post-title era.

by Timmay! on Sep 2, 2010 12:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Billy Ray - the saddest Blazer of them all

Like Rudy, the city gave him their hearts and he threw it away. So much talent and so much life wasted.
Oregonian story on Billy Ray

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 2, 2010 1:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Billy Ray

I agree that he’s one of the saddest Blazer stories of all time. My dad used to tell me stories about watching him play, and his struggles in life off the court. All of us, not just basketball players, can learn a thing or two from Billy Ray Bates.

by JonathanPDX on Sep 2, 2010 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Billie Ray

A shooting star that crashed to earth.

by Trutherlizer on Sep 2, 2010 1:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Billy Ray Bates

Do I go with my head, or my heart?

My head tells me Kermit is almost the easy choice. He was almost on all levels a better N.B.A. player…
But my heart remembers being a young kid during a mediocre stretch of The Blazers existence, and the thrill and fun of having a Billy Ray Bates on the team.

Sorry Kermit, if I’m a GM and I’m building a team? I easily choose you over Billy Ray Bates…but as a fan with childhood memories of The Blazers? I cannot escape the unrealistic memories of Billy Ray Bates few shining moments.

For no statistical or realistic reason what so ever, I vote Bates.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Sep 2, 2010 1:52 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

My thoughts exactly.

nice summation. Kermit was a fine player, but Billy Ray is a legend.

by hellsfrozenover on Sep 2, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Billy Ray Bates

It’s not about who’s better, for me. Billy Ray Bates is a legend—a cautionary tale, for sure, but a legend nonetheless.

by Marvin100 on Sep 2, 2010 1:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Good bye Billy Ray. Your candle burned out long before ... Your legend ever did.

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 2, 2010 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kermit was the better player and the better man

He didn’t let the adversity of one moment drag him down, when it easily could have.

That said, I could be wrong, but my recollection is the while with the Blazers, Billy Ray acknowledged not being able to read, and became a spokesperson for adult literacy for a brief moment. He gets tremendous kudos for that.

And yes, he was exciting to watch for a short time. It is a shame that he wasn’t able to improve other areas of his game to have a longer career, though I doubt he could have resisted the temptations of alcohol enough.

by hercher on Sep 2, 2010 3:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Kermit

Gotta vote for the tough guy named Kermit

by Epimenides on Sep 2, 2010 3:11 AM PDT reply actions  

bill schonley said.......

’….kermit, on the inbound play. To bates. Bates at the horn! HE SCORES! THE BLAZERS WIN THE BALL GAME…..!

How can you pit these two against each other?

Bates, I think, will be the favorite out of these two. More dynamic moments with him.

I think I have more memories, fond and sad, of Bates. He named one of his dunks the ‘dipsy-doo-dah-day’.

With kermit, I remember him breaking rudy tomjanovic’ face, owns a restaurant in vancouver, rebounded pretty good, and being a part of the bill walton(?) trade.

My deceased grandmother loved bates.

My vote?

BATES!

by 1ofthe7 on Sep 2, 2010 4:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

OWNED a restaurant in Vancouver

That he ran into the ground and left a friend w/ $Millions in tax debt. Nice guy.

"What we have here, is a failure to communicate."

by with_a_z on Sep 2, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kermit

"He's not your Vydas or my Vydas, he's Arvydas."

by Petro4Three on Sep 2, 2010 6:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Gotta be Kermie

He made the all-star team in 1980.
…and 17.6 Rebs!!!!!!!
I did love Bates though. as a kid, still realing from the phenomenally fast collapse after ’77, i thought for a few months that he was going to make everything ok…

I'd still honk once!

by bklynblazr on Sep 2, 2010 6:14 AM PDT reply actions  

im not 100% sure...

that Kermit fits this “not-so-star level” criteria though… should an all star game make one ineligible for inclusion in this category?
just wondering..

I'd still honk once!

by bklynblazr on Sep 2, 2010 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kermit

But this is TOUGH. Two of the most compelling/memorable/heartwrenching chapters in Breaks of the Game.

by erastus25 on Sep 2, 2010 6:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Kermit Washington

in a very close choice. I loved both of these guys.

GOP in HD

by 22baylor on Sep 2, 2010 6:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Kermit

because it’s not easy being green. No, wait …

Because he overcame and BRB did not. Loved Billy Ray at the time, but he was ultimately a disappointment as a Blazer while Kermit just kept growing.

by jorga on Sep 2, 2010 7:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Excellent point.

Kermit maximized his talent while BRB almost minimized it. Since this is a scrubdown challenge I think you gotta go with the guy that made the most of his opportunities.

by erastus25 on Sep 2, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Holton & Harvey

I didn’t vote because I don’t have memories of either one of these guys as Blazers. Had I just been told the names (prior to their joining the team as broadcasters) I would have identified Holton as a former Blazer but not when., Harvey was just one of those guys with two first names that I can never remember if they were Blazers or not.

by jorga on Sep 2, 2010 7:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Billy Ray

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 2, 2010 9:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

got to go with kermit

"I told somebody to stop crying," Pendergraph said after the game. "Actually, I told them all to stop crying."

by cornplant on Sep 2, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Billy BATES

black superman sounds fun

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Sep 2, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

bates

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez

by thomasikehara on Sep 2, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Kermit

He overcame great adversity when lesser men would have crawled in to a dark quiet place.

by Raser on Sep 2, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Kermit, Kermit, Kermit!

He was a really great guy and competitor, save for one itsy bitsy weensy punch.

"I don't feel like I'm going to be happy or complete until I'm an All-Star. My favorite example is that it took Chauncey six, seven years. And Chauncey's been a mentor for me, and I've learned a lot from him in these last couple years. So, people can say what they want, but I'll get the last laugh. " - Bayless

by StuckeyDuck on Sep 2, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Billy Ray

Saw him many times at the paramont…

by gooddebate on Sep 2, 2010 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Loved Billy Ray but have to vote Kermit.

I am no longer "young" enough to know everything!

by blazerfrog on Sep 2, 2010 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Kermit

He was a gentleman.

by Sumito on Sep 2, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought Billy Ray was going to be "the next great thing"

and he was for awhile. Nobody, but nobody could stop him and he was a highlight film waiting to happen. He was the first Trailblazer I remember really being able to fly in a way I never imagined (I can only think of Clyde being his equal) and he lit a spark in my young heart.

And then he burned out…and I was too young to understand why he didn’t become great for us.

I vote Kermit, he wasn’t spectacular like BRB and didn’t have nearly the god given athletic ability that Billy Ray had, but he put in the effort. His desire and dedication was what made him an NBA player, not so much his talent.

If Billy Ray didn’t have his demons and had even half of Kermit’s desire, he wouldn’t be in a scrubdown match up, he’d be in the “all time great” Blazer discussion.

Nothing is as frustrating as arguing with someone who knows what he's talking about. ~Sam Ewing

When they asked me how you danced, I'll say that you danced real close.

by BoogiewithStu on Sep 2, 2010 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Kermit Washington

Has there ever been a classier dude in a Blazer’s uniform? I wish he were younger so I could point at him while telling my young son, “That, my boy, is a man!” And a banger in the paint!

by VTDuck on Sep 2, 2010 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

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