Rudy Fernandez Vs. Lithuania: Analysis And Video Breakdown
To this point, our coverage of the FIBA 2010 World Championships can be broken down cleanly into two groups. It''s either been Nicolas Batum cheerleading (here, here and here) or Rudy Fernandez trade talk (too many to bother linking).
Today, let's try something a bit different by taking an extended look at how Fernandez played in yesterday's Spain vs. Lithuania game. Where is his game at right now? What, if anything, are NBA scouts and GMs able to glean from his performance this summer?
In case you missed the game, here's a one sentence summary: Spain built a double-digit first quarter lead and then was outscored 23-9 in the fourth quarter to take a surprising 76-73 loss. Fernandez started, played 29 minutes and finished with 13 points (4-7 shooting), 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal and 3 turnovers. It was a nice -- albeit incomplete -- effort and it's certainly worth a look.
Click through for analysis and some light videotape breakdown of Rudy Fernandez's game against Lithuania on Tuesday.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
The first thing you notice watching Fernandez's play in this game is his activity level, level of investment and relative speed. It starts from the game's opening minutes, when he scores the game's first baskets by hustling in an offensive rebound tip-in. It continues as he darts up and down the court, tipping passes on defense in the open court and filling the lane behind Ricky Rubio on fast breaks. This is the Original Fernandez, the player who inspired so much initial fan interest during the 2008 Olympics.
At times, it's a more mature Fernandez too. There's a settled feel to his play (especially during the first half) that has been virtually nonexistent in Portland. I read this as a product of his age (he's 25 now) and comfort level with his teammates. Ricky Rubio gets him like no one since Sergio Rodriguez.
The results, at times, are spectacular. Here's a Rubio-to-Fernandez alley oop.
Here's probably the best look at the "settled" Fernandez. He cradles a defensive rebound, takes off on in transition, remains under control, waits until he senses a hole and then immediately hits it like a running back and finishes in spectacular and fearless fashion.
Watching that play it's hard not to rub your eyes in disbelief. Who is this confident, assured, opportunistic, aggressive player?
(You also have to ask the question: Would he attack the rim like that if NBA centers were waiting to dole out the requisite physical punishment? Is his comfort level here a product of the quality of competition and his place closer to the top of the talent pecking order?)
As the game continues, Fernandez's energy level doesn't wane much, if at all. Right up until the game's final minutes -- as his team is busy giving away a huge lead -- he plays hard on both ends of the floor.
But that doesn't necessarily mean it's pretty to watch. Indeed, Spain's fourth quarter meltdown yesterday mirrored a personal late-game meltdown for Fernandez.
It's hard to pinpoint exactly where it starts but as Lithuania starts to hit shots and pull closer, Spain tightens up on offense. The play slows down a bit, passes become more cautious, there's less off-ball movement and more standing, and there are less easy looks at the rim.
Watching Fernandez during this time period is a frustrating endeavor. It looks and feels a lot like 2010 Portland Fernandez as Rudy's high-energy seems to transfer into nervous energy. He bounces in place, floats on the perimeter, retreats to the weakside, makes ill-timed runs into the paint (bringing his man towards a posting-up Marc Gasol) and generally looks lost.
Ultimately this starts to reveal itself on both ends of the floor. Here's video of a critical defensive possession with less than four minutes left to play, Spain clinging to a three point lead.
Fernandez is matched up against Lithuania's Martynas Pocius and attempts to play the passing lane as the ball swings around the perimeter. Rewind the tape and watch Fernandez's feet. Just a mess. There are only two explanations. One: Fernandez gambled because he disrespects Pocius's ability off the dribble and trusts his help defense. Two: Fernandez just got burned. I lean towards the second explanation but Marc Gasol doesn't really do Fernandez any favors down low. Either way, it's poor fundamental defense and an error in judgment on Fernandez's part and it couldn't come at a worse time.
When a scout watches a play like this he is left to conclude that Fernandez can only guard one position at the NBA level. Fernandez's frame makes him unable to guard true small forwards and while some teams might want to use Fernandez in a bigger backcourt, his lateral foot speed and technique still just isn't there. It likely will never be. When an NBA coach watches this play, he throws a clipboard, takes a twenty second timeout and stands out in the middle of the court with his hands on his hips in disgust.
Back to the game. To Spain's credit, they mix up their offensive strategy quite a bit down the stretch (nothing is working, after all). Rubio tries to artificially increase the tempo at times, Gasol gets isolated in various locations, Spain looks to free shooters on the perimeter, and they generally experiment with a much wider variety of looks than the Blazers would ever consider down the stretch.
With the game tied and just under two minutes left in the game, one of these experiments involves isolating Fernandez on the wing and letting him attack. Roll tape.
It's a critical, careless turnover by Fernandez and Lithuania never looks back. It's not fair to label this play the "turning point" of the game but it was a major blunder.
Looking at that sequence through a scout's lens, there are things to like and dislike. Fernandez uses the screen well, gets himself open and immediately senses the opportunity when his defender goes to the ground. From there, Fernandez goes back to his right hand -- as he almost always does -- and he does a poor job of recognizing where the help defense is coming from. Whether he's surprised by the defender coming across the key, whether he simply loses the ball due to his inconsistent handle or whether he's simply too high-energy for his own good, Fernandez squanders this possession in so many ways. He could have hit the pull-up jumper. He could have made the easy, direct pass to a spot-up shooter at the top of the key. He could have continued to attack the post defender's body to draw contact.
In short, he could have had a plan. It's clear, very quickly, that he didn't have a plan and he is the last one to realize that. Sure, that happens when plays get broken by a defender falling down. But an NBA coach sees this sequence as an opportunity for an easy basket not an opportunity for a careless turnover. An NBA coach, especially one like Nate McMillan, watches this play and sees an opportunity to bring in a substitute on the next dead ball, too.
Conclusions
It's extremely easy to get distracted by Rudy The Trade Piece and forget Rudy The Player. The goal of this brief exercise was to remember Rudy The Player again.
As of this summer, Rudy The Player is a high-energy, risk-taking, chance-creating two guard who can change the pace of a game on both ends of the floor. He remains limited on offense (no mid-range game, propensity to go right way more often than left, adequate handle) but can produce explosively when his confidence is high. On defense he is a good man-to-man defender if matched up with someone that he can stay with laterally and, when focused, can be an effective defensive rebounder thanks to his knack for finding the ball in traffic. He gambles more than most NBA coaches would want and the percentage of perimeter players in the NBA that can either take him off the dribble or wear him down physically is pretty high. His overall decision-making isn't bad but he is a very instinctual player and that can get him in trouble because his feel for the game isn't elite.
Put all of that together, remembering the fact that Rudy The Player is now 25 and is brushing up on his ceiling, and I don't think you have a reliable NBA starter. If Fernandez had either the strength to guard threes or the quickness to guard ones, then it's a totally different story. But he doesn't, and he doesn't appear that he will develop those attributes in the future either.
What you do have here, still, is a two guard with top-level 6th man potential in the right system and with the right coach. Watching a Fernandez with renewed confidence this summer, though, only reinforces the idea that Nate McMillan is not that coach. Calling Fernandez's fit in Portland a "square peg in a round hole" is understating it considerably because that implies you might be able to jam the peg into the hole somehow and make it work. Instead, this is more like a "square peg in a flat concrete wall," with the peg just sticking off the side of the damn thing looking like a tumor.
And that's too bad. Because, despite the late-game mistakes, there was a lot to get excited about yesterday. A lot that would look good coming off the bench in a Blazers uniform.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
PS If you are still salty about Fernandez's trade demand and just came here to see the video of Fernandez getting facialized in transition, I got you.
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Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....(picture me shaking my head)
Watching Rudy against New Zealand – I got the sense that Rudy is still trying to find himself – but that he believes that he will find it at the center of attention.
If I read correctly for this game – Rudy went from free-spirited basketball player that knows what he can do and does it without thinking to a player over-thinking his game and consequently getting himself lost.
In my opinion – Fernandez is a bit of a mess emotionally and that insecurity has a disproportionately large impact on his performance. We saw it on a large scale last season, and we see it on a micro scale (within games) here in FIBA play.
I don’t think Fernandez is incapable of defending 2’s or 3’s or playing big in big moments – I think that as soon as he starts thinking – he can’t get his mind and body on the same page.
In short, he could have had a plan. It’s clear, very quickly, that he didn’t have a plan and he is the last one to realize that.
I propose the opposite – that Fernandez (like any pro athlete) needs to think less and do more in the heat of battle. Right now, he lacks the confidence to maintain his game when the heat gets intense.
It’s one of the issues that bugged me about his game against New Zealand – save the drama for when the performances means something…
However, I also think he would be just fine as an NBA player once he gets his head screwed on straight. I also agree that wherever he plays, Portland is probably the worst possible fit.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Sep 1, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree and disagree
I think your main point of Fernandez’ head and emotions being messed up are right. He has talent to play in the NBA, but not to be a star, and that seems to have him frustrated. However, I suspect he doesn’t understand that he doesn’t have the talent to be a star, so he blames his coach and his situation.
However, I also agree with Ben’s point that Rudy didn’t have a plan in that moment. It isn’t about stopping to figure out all the possibilities and carefully formulating a plan. It is about recognizing what the other team is doing and giving, and reacting to that. Rudy got half-way there, but didn’t seem to understand what needed to happen at the critical point of the play.
By way of analogy, I compare LaMarcus Aldridge’s play against Phoenix with Tim Duncan. I, and others, criticized LMA for holding the ball too long, allowing the Suns to set their defense and bring the double team. During a debate on that point, someone pointed out that Tim Duncan does that too. The difference, however, is that Duncan knows what he wants to do once his opponents commit to their defense, and when they commit to a double team, he is a master a catching the second defender in no man’s land. Aldridge didn’t seem to recognize that quickly.
Some of that is instinct, but some is experience. You are right that Rudy lacks the confidence to maintain his game, but I think what happens is he gets frustrated and loses his focus, and thinks about everything but what he is doing.
by hercher on Sep 2, 2010 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reading both post
I get the picture of why Rudy is non-exustant in play-offs. He does not handle pressure and chokes up. Funny, I do that sometimes in bowling in a critical 10th frame situation.
It also gives me a picture of Rudy playing king of the mountain. It is either him on top or he is completly at the bottom; there is no in between the top and the bottom and in his game there is only room for one at the top.
This post is response to both blacknoiseNW and hercher. good post
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Rudy was easily one of our best players in the Houston series, though
Shot the ball well and (outside of I think 2 games) scored for us (ESPECIALLY late in clutch situations. I believe it was games 3 and 4 in Houston where he hit big shots but they meant nothing because of Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw making huge blunders in clutch situations)
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 2, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy is all about physical & crunch time games.
He is a FIBA star after all. Plus he was one of our few high points vs. Houston.
He told us the reason for his poor play against Phoenix. Emotional problems.
In Bayless I trust.
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Great breakdown Ben
This is a brilliant write-up, thanks for the thoughful insight. Rudy is a world class athlete and basketball player, it is easy to forget that based on what we saw the last year in a Blazer uniform.
I think a lot of Rudy’s angst comes from the basis of this question Ben asked:
Is his comfort level here a product of the quality of competition and his place closer to the top of the talent pecking order?
I think, as has been stated many times, that Rudy is getting bad advice that he is a superior player that can be a #2 or #3 option on a good NBA team. I think his play at the international level provides fuel for believers of this thought.
He is a premiere player, but the fact is he is not getting tested on a play-by-play basis in all facets of the game in an international game like he is in the NBA. I honestly think Rudy has a future in the NBA, I just don’t think any of us honestly know what his peak is or where it will manifest itself.
by thrilliam on Sep 1, 2010 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
or rather
Rudy is a world class athlete and basketball player
READ: Rudy is so soft and perimeter-oriented he can only be effective in international basketball
by rip_city_swagger on Sep 1, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy getting the facial in that last video: Ben always knows what we need.
Rudy Fernandez: he is who we think he is.
Nice breakdown Ben
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 1, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions
Rudy has been playing with an allergy.
Today, after 13 mins of play, he went to the locker-room and didn´t come back.
by amlmart1 on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
really?
I was wondering why he didn’t play at all in the 2nd half (albeit it was a blowout win)
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 1, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
During last games the Spanish “Mikes” have been talking about how tired looked Rudy when he was on the bench, and today he was also complaining about his head and the Spanish “Rebecca” digged into it and found out about Rudy´s allergy.
by amlmart1 on Sep 1, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
It wasn´t a blow out until the third quarter. Spain needed Marc Gasol for 24 mins to get there.
And Navarro, who is also injured, for 18 mins.
Rebel Fernandez...
Since I have no control over Rudy or what is going to happen concerning him, I’ve decided to think of him as the moody teenager. He’s going to ask to be excused from the table, go to his room and listen to music that nobody else likes.
He’s going to ask for his allowance, but not want to do any chores. He’s going to threaten to run away, and stay on the phone talking to his agent in hushed whispers until late at night…then when I ask him what they talked about he will just say “nothing”.
He’s going to get upset, and accuse McMillan of not being a good parent. Or acting like all the other coaches.
I’m just going to hope grows up.
But he’s grounded until he honors his contract.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Sep 1, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
agreed, but so far, at least
he hasn’t been arrested at 14 for b&e
been kicked off school grounds for carrying a weapon to school
been kicked out of public school for alcohol
barely make it through an alternative high school (that no longer is acredited)
"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks
but maybe, he will
mature quickly once he is forced to be on his own
find a career that works for him
own a small construction business at 28
and at 33 be the only builder in Steamboat Springs, CO that has had steady work for the past 24 months
"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks
lol those are pretty good
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 1, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve decided to think of him as the moody teenager.
You’ve got one of those too, eh?
I’ve got a couple
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
*shudder*
Not being a parent, I’ve only got my own miserable adolescence to recall the horrible life of a moody teenager. The worst part was suddenly being aware that there is a whole world beyond my experience that I can do nothing about. Sure, I could read and form opinions about global events, but nobody cared because I was just a kid—and rightly so! Teenagers are full of crap! These “opinions” I had formed were often based on very little information, or had been given the most fleeting attention during their conception, yet I was passionate in their defense. This is pretty typical, or at least it was among my peers.
The same can be said of Rudy’s behavior. He has decided that there is no way he can succeed in Portland after only two seasons, and there is nothing anybody can say to change his mind. So he did what came naturally—threw a fit. A grownup would have ideally (key word) stayed cool, requested a trade privately, and worked like an animal to make himself the most attractive player available. Instead, he got himself all worked up, and now all anybody can see is his acne, all they can hear is his obnoxious music, and all they can smell is…well, this is a family site, so I’ll stop there.
Stealth > Wealth
I've got a couple of good teenager jokes
When kids turn into teenagers, they think their friends are so smart and their parents are completely lame/stupid. Then, when they turn 20 and have to get a job and have to pay for everything they can’t believe how smart their parents got in 7 years!
Some scholars say that Isaac was 12 when Father Abraham took him up the mountain to the altar, and others say that he could have been as old as 20. But everyone agrees that he couldn’t have been in-between those ages, because that would’ve made him a teenager
And that wouldn’t have been a “sacrifice”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Sep 1, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
…they can’t believe how smart their parents got in 7 years!
There is great truth to this. I’m nearly 50, and it constantly amazes me how my parents seem to get smarter as I get older!
I have to admit that I never did reach the point where I thought my parents were smart
but I did get to the point where I developed some empathy for their struggles and some understanding for why they made the decisions they made.
That's a classic Mark Twain line.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Sep 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy's just the typical 25 year-old millionaire that isn't getting his way for the first time in his life.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 1, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I love basketball...
but these words hurt my brain.
…25 year-old millionaire…
Especially when paired with the word “typical”.
Stealth > Wealth
LOL
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 1, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad only one of those things applies to me.
by AK1984 on Sep 1, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
How many of us...
In Bayless I trust.
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I was thinking on those same lines
Rudy needs to grow up in respect to learning anger control, learning to respect the decisions of others and above all learning to work for your money even if they don’t treat you right.
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions
He's the anti-Roy
A liitle out of control, moves all the time without the ball, and he wants to get a shot off inside of 15 seconds.
2-4 the who
no booing, please
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 18 recs
he won't come back. .But agree..no booing PLEASE.
After the first few times I was feeling embarrased by the Hedo booing. So the Rudy boo would really be hard to take.
Agreed
Maybe we could just chant in unison some obscure and vaguely disparaging Spanish barbs. I’m sure amlmart1 would have some suggestions. That way we put Rudy on notice that he’s gone and hurt our feelings with his trade talking, but the rest of the NBA, the press, etc. won’t know what we’re saying.
#52
bebe lloriqueado
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
you shouldn't say
they knowing too much….
sometimes that’s not a good idea it can come back to bite you in the butt and it can get annoying.
no response
is always the best response
treat him just like he’s Jose Calderon
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Great analysis, Ben
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
Don't forget the passing
I’m right with you on most of the analysis – in fact, it pretty much mirrors a comment I posted on one of the endless “Trade Rudy” threads – but I think you underplayed one of his greatest gifts, which is court vision and passing ability. Rudy is a willing, imaginative, precise, and creative passer. He typically does it either in transition, or when getting the ball coming off screens, while the defense is trying to adjust.
Unfortunately for him, he’s not really able to take advantage of that in Portland. The main reason, is that it really depends on other players moving off the ball, which most of Portland’s regulars are terrible at (I’m looking at you, BRoy!) The blame for this should probably be shared by both players and coaches. Secondly, he’s also not a good enough handler to create off the dribble, so he needs something to happen in order for those passing situations to present themselves.
I think that if Roy had half of Rudy’s creativity as a passer, and with a bit more off-ball movement – he would average 7-8 assists a game, because he can so easily break down the defense. He’s a willing and decent passer, but he’s just not at the same level. Another commonly missed opportunity for Roy to pick up easy assists is off the P&R, especially with Oden, when the play starts relatively low, and the big man rolls instead of popping (looking at you, LMA!)
Rudy actually did a few of those with Oden in the early part of the season, except instead of P&R it was coming off curls with Oden setting the pick on the mid-post. It’s a move that, when done correctly, puts enormous pressure on the defense, because it simply can’t be defended without help. Rudy/Oden is the perfect combo for this, because Oden sets good screens (he’s just so BIG) and has great hands for catching and finishing, and Rudy is great in using the screens and has the vision and timing for the pass.
by gidons on Sep 1, 2010 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rudy is a willing, imaginative,precise
You lost me at precise. His A/TO argues otherwise
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Agree re: Roy needing better court vision off the PnR
if the corner spot-up shooter on the same side of the floor isn’t left wide open, Roy will lock onto the rim
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Sep 1, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
except instead of P&R it was coming off curls with Oden setting the pick on the mid-post
I remember this same curl move with LMA, Rudy would turn the corner and throw up a no-look lob over his shoulder. When the pass connected, it was effective. When it didn’t…turnover
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
LOVE the video of him getting abused on the break
don’t you love how he coughs it up, gives chase, and then completely gives up/backs off and lets the guy dunk on him in the 4th quarter of a close game? Pansy
I don’t care if he ever plays for us again
by rip_city_swagger on Sep 1, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
I'm underwhelmed
why try so hard to sell this guy Ben? I know he’s still a Trailblazer but his Harlem Globetrotter act is wearing thin.
send the "good" videos to the other 29 NBA teams
and hope that they weren’t watching the “bad” ones
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Rudy´s rebounding ratio in 4 games: 13.5/40mins. Sell high!
I forgot to say that I like your post. Thanks, Ben.
Rudy Fernandez would fit right in on one of those traveling basketball shows which feature younger players in make-believe games doing ridiculous things. The kind of show where some guy throws a half court lob pass for an alley-oop to a teammate. The kind of show where nobody really plays defense and it’s all about how spectacular your next shot can be. Rudy has some magic in him (as do some of these kids) but like those younger guys, he lacks the poise and maturity required to stick in the NBA. He skill set is not complete either. As Ben pointed out, there are some things required of guards in the NBA which he just doesn’t do well. Not sure he ever will either. His game is just better suited for European play where his confidence level rises vs. lesser talent.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
Let Rudy go
If the Blazers were an uptempo, lots of possessions team, Rudy fits perfectly in the rotation. The Blazers are the opposite, though, partly by design (Nate hates turnovers and giving up offensive rebounds) and partly by happenstance (the injuries). If you thought a reasonable chance existed that they would change their stripes, Rudy as he plays now might be a valuable asset, because he can do lots of things (rebound, pass, run the floor, get to the rim, shoot the 3, steal) the open court rewards. I don’t think the Blazers will be playing uptempo anytime soon, though, so I’d trade Rudy for one of those mid-range 1st round picks we’ve heard about. Otherwise, everyone is going to be frustrated (I like Ben’s image of the coach with his hands on his hips glowering at a gamble that failed or unforced turnover).
nate's a great coach that teaches playoff basketball - i choose to get rid of Rudy
by rip_city_swagger on Sep 1, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I was having that type of argument yesterday.
fire Nate and Rudy would be willing to come back. Other then that Rudy is the one that made the choice to leave—-It is out of our hands.
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Not here
Say that Nate should be fired in any post but this! Nate McMillian is not without faults. In fact, in my opinion, if the whole RAMBO lineup is healthy at the start of the 2010-2011 season, he should loosen the reigns and let the monster loose, but I digress.
Before Rudy joined Portland, he was a superstar in Europe. He can be a superstar in Europe but in the NBA, he’s a roleplayer/specialist, simple as that. A coach can’t be everything to every player. Nate should not have to tinker with his whole offensive system just to pander to a roleplayer. It’s Rudy job to adapt to the system find a way to be productive. For example, Rudy is a good three-point and free-throw shooter, and he has some ability to put the ball on the floor, at least he should have that ability. Being able to drive to the rim and draw fouls is a valuable skill that NBA guards ought to have. From the start, Rudy was unable to handle physical defense. The NBA is a much more physical league than other leagues. Size and strength matter, and Rudy doesn’t have much of either.
Rudy was considered a “sensation.” Most media outlets called him a “sensation,” but I can’t recall anyone calling him an elite player.
by thevupster777 on Sep 1, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Wimpy international basketball...
From the start, Rudy was unable to handle physical defense. The NBA is a much more physical league than other leagues.
But there have been a few times I see a player get knocked to the ground so far in this FIBA tournament and the refs just swallow their whistles. Been hearing/reading a lot about how the refs actually let more go in international basketball and the games are more physical as a consequence.
I wonder if a lot of people think of the NBA as a bruiser’s league from back in the 90s when hand checking and defense reigned supreme. Back when it was common to see two teams finish a game below 80 points. And it was rare to break 100. Boy those were the days.
Maybe it is true that international ball is for the sickly, weak men that just couldn’t take the physical contact of the NBA. But I’ve watched a few of these France games so far and France is full of bruisers. Those guys are a little scary, watching them play defense. There is nothing graceful about watching them on offense except for the occasional Batum highlight play. They’re a team of defensive-minded thugs. Maybe France is the exception to the rule. I’ve never watched international basketball until the past week.
Is it really true that international basketball is less physical than the NBA?
it may be more physical in FIBA
but the level of athleticism is definitely lower. So Rudy is more likely to have to resort to floaters instead of getting all the way to the rim, due to big paint-guarding centers or athletic shotblockers. At least that’s how it seems to me.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
But nobody would flop in the NBA!
That would just be silly.
Oh thanks.
That’s probably a huge deal. I didn’t even think of that. That French dude Mahinmi or whatever his name is. That kid gets some blocks. But yeah. By and large, I’d imagine that the NBA has better athletes on average.
But there is no 3 second rule in FIBA basketball, so big men just camp in the lane
And blocks are moving repeatedly. The non-physicality of international play is an urban myth.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
I heard they allow a lot more contact outside,
but they don’t have a restricted area under the basket. I’m still trying to figure out how this impacts the game, but it would seem that this allows players to draw offensive fouls right at the cup. This would favor flopping big men (hiya, Pau!), and slick guards that can get to the hoop without contact (looking at you, Rudolfo!).
Stealth > Wealth
They are just more clumsy.
Seriously, they don’t have the same level of athleticism, so the contact looks uglier, plus add in the flopping like a bunch of sissy soccer players.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 1, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well even USA has struggled a little bit in the halfcourt.
I mean, USA has looked really solid so far. But they’re definitely making their living off of the break. I don’t know if you’re trying to stir up controversy, but I don’t know why people would flop a bunch like sissy soccer players when the refs are obviously trying to penalize flopping. That would be counter intuitive. From what I’ve seen, the game just look more physical. A little bit like playoff basketball even in some ways.
Watch Spain play and you will see players get bumped and roll around on the floor like they were shot.
One player (wasn’t it Navarro?) got his finger jammed and then fell on the ground and rolled around on the floor for a couple of minutes like he had broken a leg. I’m expecting a couple of guys with a stretcher to run out on the floor and start picking players off the floor to haul them to bench (of course they will instantly recover and run back into the game just like in soccer). Seriously, it is just ridiculous. If Batum ever starts this nonsense I will resign from his fan club.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 1, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That was hilarious!
Equally side-splitting was Rubio getting pasted by that back-pick, then flying to the hardwood, grabbing different parts of his body, trying to decide how to flop to the greatest effect.
The flop is with you, young Rubio, but you are not a Navarro yet!
Stealth > Wealth
Yeah, Rubio was a hoot!
He couldn’t seem to figure out what part of his body was supposed to be pain.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 1, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen actors do this quite often.
getting shot, and do the whole Rubio routine then find out later it is a superficial wound, or get shot in the heart and the wound changes places once the action starts again.
Old cowboys never die easy, they just flop a lot LOL.
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I saw both of those plays.
It was pretty embarrassing to watch. But that has seemed the exception rather than the rule in my limited experience watching international ball. I haven’t seen a flop fest other than that.
Again though. I haven’t watched very much international basketball until very recently. Maybe this FIBA tournament isn’t even the norm.
can't let Paul Pierce off the hook
he had a pretty memorable “he’s out..no, he’s not!” incident in the ’08 playoffs
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Plus
He looks like someone shot him in the kneecap anytime someone draws contact. I hate the Paul Pierce face more than I hate almost anything else in the NBA
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You are correct
The FIBA rules do allow more physicality. However, the players themselves in international leagues have nowhere near the bulk of NBA players.
I hear you about France. They are defensive stalwarts. However, from what I saw, a lot of their defense happens on the perimeter. Nic Batum has come to the NBA from this kind of a team. The French prize strong perimeter defense.
FIBA rules may allow more contact on the perimeter but defense in the NBA emphasizes inside defense. Picture Rudy trying to drive with somebody of Dwight Howard’s bulk guarding the basket. You have a 170-pounder driving it into a 260-pound wall. That’s a big momentum change, and it takes toughness to handle that kind of contact.
by thevupster777 on Sep 1, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not just about Rudy
It’s about realizing that this team has more talent on it than just Roy and Lamarcus.
Nate can make Batum look like all he can do is stand in a corner in hopes of spreading the floor as well.
As Channing Frye said" running nothing but Roy and LA isolations in the fourth quarter get pretty easy to defend."
Nate preaches" motion" and “run when you can” but thats not what it looks like is happening on the floor. At some point I have to think it’s a coaching thing and not a lack of talent on the team.
by meatwad3 on Sep 1, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Disappointment that is Rudy
is his apparent unwillingness to work to improve his game. There is no reason that his mid-range jumper, his lateral movement, his handle and his strength cannot get better. To do so, however, requires that he acknowledge his weaknesses, listens to coaches, and puts in hard time in the gym and in the weight room. I’ve neither heard of nor seen evidence that’s he’s much interested in unglamorous work. In this respect, the contrast between he and Batum has grown starker each year. I’d rather he wasted his potential with another team.
And that’s the truth.
I guess my expectations of Rudy were different than a lot of peoples'.
I never saw him as anything but a terrific 6th man option, sort of the Blazers’ Toni Kukoc. I agree with what people say about his shortcomings, but still think he’s a valuable guy to have on your side. His passing is his single best attribute, aside from the obvious long-range shooting. I wish there were a way for him to work out in Portland, but alas it doesn’t look likely.
As far as the whole Rudy debate, the only thing I’d like to add is that I think the Trevor Ariza foul left a pretty permanent impression on Rudy, both physically and mentally. I remember him being really aggressive before that, and even for the rest of that year, but when his back acted up this year he seemed permanently intimidated by physical NBA play. A shame…a part of me still holds out hope it will work out…a very small part.
Interesting point on the Ariza foul
I think you are right regarding his aggressiveness and how that incident affected it.
Extending that thought, I don’t see Rudy aging well in the NBA given the wear and tear inherent in the league.
put a body on 'em
clap clap clap-clap-clap
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Rudy has pretty good stats in the tournament so far even though he's not dominating games
Top 50 scorer with 11.3 ppg, best FT% at 92.9 tied with Durant and Anton Ponkrashov, top 10 rebounder with 8 per game (best player is Yi with 9.8 ahead of Hadaddi and Ilyasova), top 50 in assists tied with teammate Navarro, tied 13th in steals with a couple of players, …
It’s not amazing, but certainly not all bad.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
FIBA context is that dominant players typically play for inferior teams
so stats have to be weighed appropriately. Players with “amazing” stats aren’t necessarily better players – they just happen to disproportionately account for more of their team’s production, relatively speaking.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Is Spain really an inferior team?
I thought they were one of the basketball powerhouses coming into the tournament.
read it this way:
because Spain is a good team, Fernandez’s production is lower than if he were playing for Iran
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
But he's been playing pretty well
for one of the top teams in the world. I’m not trying to say that he’s a super amazing out-of-this-world player. But it seems that a lot of BE has been pretty hard on him lately.
yeah
in a very convoluted way – this is what I’m trying to say – You can be good without being amazing – in particular if you play for a good team.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Oh! Sorry!
I guess I’ve been misunderstanding what you were saying this entire time. I think. I do agree that Rudy has looked Ok or even maybe good. Not great or amazing.
Kidding me? Spain won the last FIBA championships
Would you consider Navarro, Rubio, Gasol etc. inferior players?
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Sep 1, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure you get anomalies like a top scorer from New Zealand or Lebanon
But in general the top players rise to the top in those tournaments. E.g. Dirk, Duncan and the Gasols in previous tournaments, or players like Durant and Scola in this one where some top guys are missing. And shooting 93% on 13/14 (exactly what Durant has so far) and getting 8 rebounds is good in any context.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
in terms of production, however - you would see most good teams distribute production among more players
The only good team so far with a single player carrying a massive scoring load is Argentina – with Scola putting up 30 ppg in the last three games.
What I am getting at is that not having gaudy numbers doesn’t mean you aren’t a top player (e.g., Fernandez has been one of the best players on a good team in spite of his non-amazing numbers)…
You still expect the best performances from the best players – but raw production isn’t the measure of best performance when you can share the load with other good players.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Agreed. This makes Rudy more awesome.
You are so right.
Since Spain is a no. 1 or no. 2 team by general consensus, it shows us that we need to realize Rudy’s stats are under-reporting his abilities.
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Rudy is putting up some really good stats through 4 games (tiny sample).
He has a TS% of 70.0% on a usage rate of roughly 20%. He has a total rebound rate of roughly 20% (8 ORB% and 30 DRB%), which would be good for a center. The only bad stat he has is his 19.9% turnover rate.
Very good article, Ben – thanks!
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by jerome glide porterworth on Sep 1, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
I'd love a reminder like this every hour or so, throughout the year with every player
It’s extremely easy to get distracted by Rudy The Trade Piece and forget Rudy The Player. The goal of this brief exercise was to remember Rudy The Player again.
#52
Here's another:
It’s extremely easy to get distracted by Andre The Pouter and forget Andre The Player.
by MiledAnimal on Sep 1, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm still way more distracted by that honey-bun 'do Dre had than anything he's said or done.
by MiledAnimal on Sep 1, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HA!!!
That was great! When he started rocking that, I was like, “who the heck is this guy?!?”.
Stealth > Wealth
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by thevupster777 on Sep 1, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Haven't you read that he is working out?
Well more then working his elbow eating hambugers anyway. But, our new rookie Williams went down and played some pick-up games with him.
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 4:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd actually forgotten about that.
Wonder if we’ll forget about this Rudy drama in a year.
Media Day is coming up. He'll be back!
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 1, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Rudy still on his rookie contract?
I think a lot of us have gotten a little ticked off at Rudy as a person for thumbing his nose at Portland a little bit. And a lot of people list all the Blazers that are better than Rudy. But for right now if Rudy still is making chump change for NBA players, I think Cho has the right idea. Hold onto this guy just in case we can work it out. There’s still potential there with this guy. Worst case scenario, he rides the bench most of the year. I don’t think that would hurt the Blazers a whole lot. But I don’t think we’ll have the worst case.
yeah
he has one year left at 1.5 mil and then we have a team option for the following year at slightly more than 2 mil.
That doesn't seem too awful
Especially since Rudy is one of our better shooters and Coach Nate really likes shooters. I think we all can agree that Rudy would probably be better served playing for D’Antoni or the Warriors, but $1.5 for a proven shooter who went through a sophomore slump and pouted a little about it. I don’t know. As a team, I think the most selfish thing would be to keep him and hope it works out unless you get a real steal from another team.
but you never want a guy around with that attitude and approach - poisons the chemistry of a contender
by rip_city_swagger on Sep 1, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
What about a team that hopes to reach the second round?
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
by Norsktroll on Sep 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah! Boy!
Remember when Kobe wanted to leave the Lakers? He really ruined their title chances with that attitude!
Hate to break it to you
But Rudy ain’t no Kobe. Not saying he’ll kill our team or anything… But Rudy ain’t no Kobe
z
I'd like a promotion
“Colonel Obvious” just has such a nice ring to it. I’m diggin’ the pink uni though, I look tough.
z
i think captain is the highest rank....
….LIke captain kirk, cap’n crunch, captain douche-bag, captain and tennille, captain of the valdeez…..
by 1ofthe7 on Sep 1, 2010 9:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course not.
I just was just trying to point out a recent example of a player threatening to leave the team without the team completely falling apart.
Getting along with somebody isn’t the end of the world either. I’ve been good friends that I could not play with at all in the past. On the flip side, I’ve played very well with a few folks that kind of annoy me. These are professionals we’re talking about here. I doubt they’re all that worried about Rudy’s off season comments.
I don’t see Rudy suddenly wrecking team chemistry just because of these comments.
I think it would be a much bigger worry if Rudy ruined the team chemistry in games last year. Maybe he did. That’s what would worry me though.
I'm a little biased on the subject at the moment
I’m a Redskins fan, and watching Albert Haynesworth tank and complain because he’s under contract and there’s nothing he can do about it has been extremely frustrating.
The point I was trying to make is you can live with this behavior from the best player in the NBA (at the time) because he’s the best and your team is totally sunk without him. We, on the other hand, have made adjustments such that Rudy is no longer essential to our future success. We have a young team and for a long time had a clear vision of what our organizational culture should be. Rudy has made it clear that he doesn’t want to be a part of something bigger, to embody the “sacrifice” that Nate demands from his talented but unproven team. If we start trying to accomodate him, what message does that send to the rest of our team?
z
We certainly wouldn't want to shape our team around Rudy.
I definitely agree with you there. But I don’t know that Rudy has much of a choice about playing for us if we don’t trade him or void his contract. We aren’t doing the latter and we’ll only do the former if we get a darn good bargain out of it.
I think if Rudy plays for us — even if he’s unhappy doing it — he’ll play his hardest and as a team. If he doesn’t play his hardest, he’s only hurting his own value and reputation. If he doesn’t play as part of the team, Nate will just bench him. I really don’t see Rudy causing the team to tank this year. If you are right that it’s a possibility, I would completely agree to get rid of him for anything.
I don’t know enough about Haynesworth to know how similar the situation it is to this. Probably about as much as my reference to Kobe. Every situation is probably unique.
Do you think Rudy would intentionally disrupt the team this year during game time? Will he disrupt the team more this year (during game time) than the past two years unconsciously based on this off season?
I guess I’m trying to ask how much drama off the court usually affects play on the court. I’m sure it varies depending on each individual situation. Does anyone have any examples?
You don't think Rudy's bad performance in play-offs were disruptive to the team.
His refusal to shoot IMO was rebellion, not lost of confidence.
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I guess I can't remember how individuals played now.
If I studied game tape, I could answer that. I’ve never heard of a player not shooting out of rebellion though. All of those guys want to score if they can. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong. Rudy would just be a very strange, rare case is all.
Not only did he refuse to shoot
(or perhaps he was afraid to shoot), except for games 5-6, he didn’t play with any energy.
It is one thing to lose confidence in your shot, because then the obvious thing to do is apply yourself more in other aspects of the game. Rudy just looked like he didn’t want to be out there.
That can be destructive to clubhouse chemistry, and be a serious distraction to a team.
He's shown a proclivity for airing his grievances with the Spanish media
Without really talking to anyone else about it first. It may not be the worst thing in the world, but having to answer the same questions night after night about the same teammate and his same issues definitely wears on a team
z
And Don't forget he is not Brandon Roy either--LOL.
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course.
Was just trying to say that one player saying the wrong thing publicly doesn’t always lead to disaster for a team. Andre Miller did it last season. Rudy isn’t any of those guys. I was only trying to say that this doesn’t automatically spell doom and gloom for the team.
Yes, that is true and you are cool
I was referring to Rudy’s reply to the media about not being BRoy. His job was just to spread the defense and he being out on the court did that—well something like that speaking of his lack of play. To me that is being rebellious against the coach. He also later said that Nate just wanted him to shoot 3pters.That was more proof to me that he was being rebellious. So his actions were what I was referring to as being disruptive not his words.
hg
Remember when Kobe wanted to leave the Lakers? He really ruined their title chances with that attitude!
It took a Spaniard coming to L*A to turn the L*kers fortunes around and K*be hasn’t complained since about Kupchak’s commitment re: building a winner
maybe it will take a Spaniard leaving Portland to achieve the same result in Blazer land. I wouldn’t mind a similar lopsided heist from Cho, but it may not be necessary if RAMBO can stay healthy and the key reserve players settle into their roles
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Excellent post, Ben...
I love Rudy’s game. I love the creativity, imagination, and great passing skills. He is your prototypicaly NBA 6th man, able to come of the bench and light up threes…
But I agree, with Nate as his coach, that his full potential won’t be realized…
And no, I’m not saying Nate should change his whole offense for a bench player, but for many other reasons: Portland needs to generate easy hoops in transition to be able to get a big enough lead in regular season games to rest people; to properly maximize the utilization of their athleticism, speed, and depth; and Portland’s offense, as Frye correctly stated, is too predictable and easy to defend in the playoffs…
(Sigh, if he can’t play here, I sure hope Rudy goes to Boston, so I can still enjoy his talents..)
Mental errors, not physical shortcomings
Good stuff, Ben.
But, I don’t think this is a matter of Rudy being outmatched, not when he gets burned after reaching for that pass to the wing. That’s a matter of Rudy not thinking on the floor. Don’t reach for that pass—it’s that simple. That’s why he got burned and twisted all around. He needs to know how to play defense with the body he has, and then he’ll be fine. Hitting the weights a bit more will help, too, of course.
And that late turnover? Same thing. As you said, Ben, he needs to have a plan. He can do a number of things in that position and he was right to take it at the defense. But then he just loses the handle, probably because he didn’t make up his mind early enough.
In both cases, he needs to be thinking ahead, needs to have all the possible outcomes in mind without having to pause and think about it. So, I’m not sure what’s more troubling—a guy who doesn’t have the skills to play at a high NBA level, or a guy who doesn’t have the brain to play at a high NBA level. Rudy’s the latter. It looks to me like he needs to study the game a lot more, and maybe these things will develop over time. But maybe not.
That comes with hard work and training
When a driver hits a icy spot in the road, the instinct is to hit the brake and slow down the car which is the worst thing you can do. A driver needs to re-train his instincts to keep the foot off the brake as to not lose control of the vehicle because as you said if you stop to think about it, it is to late.
It was said that Rudy doesn’t like to retrain his BB abilities because he feels they are great as they are. Is that delusions of grander or out and out conceit?
hg
by BBK on Sep 2, 2010 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Rudy still just needs to cuss Nate out and then Nate will pander to him.
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If Fernandez produced like Miller, we'd all be happy
no one thought Nate’s system was an ideal fit for Andre last December, either. But the cream rises to the top and the _ settles to the bottom of the bowl
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Hindsight is blinding people.
Miller was a great divider before he cussed out Nate.
Afterward, we all (but one) decided he was good and forgave his deeds.
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I for one, never liked him and was vindicated in the playoffs :)
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Sep 1, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
@Ben Golliver
are you going to come up with a analyze report of Rudy on every game or only when Spain looses?
btw from what i found, from this lose, going into the spanish forums and looking through their comments the spanish were mostly blaming rubio and the coach scariolo Mostly Scariolo they been hacking him since eurobasket 2009…. over his stubborn “his style” of play and not having Spain enjoy their way and over his boneheaded decisions on player rotations blowing that lead…..

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