A Little More From Rich Cho On Greg Oden's Knee Bone
by Ben Golliver on Aug 26, 2010 8:05 PM PDT
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PrintThis afternoon, Portland Trail Blazers general manager Rich Cho told 1080 AM The Fan that center Greg Oden was "on schedule" in his knee rehabilitation process but that he was unable to provide a recovery timeline because, "When I spoke with the doctors and the trainer, it's hard to say how fast the bone will heal."
Tonight, Cho tells Blazersedge that Oden's patellar bone "looks healed both on the X-ray and the CT scan but there's no way to conclusively tell how strong it is until you start putting it under stress." Stress, in this case, refers to increasing amounts of activity. "We have a couple months until the season," Cho said, repeating that the team will not rush Oden through the rehabilitation process. "Eventually, the bone will get stronger and stronger."
Cho said that he received a "debriefing" on every player, including Oden, from Portland's training staff when he was hired and that he continues to receive "very, very frequent reports on Oden's progress."
Cho also noted that his trip to Indiana to visit Oden this week was the result of an invitation from Oden and that the two used the trip to "get to know each other and start a relationship."
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That sounds better
My panic is alleviated.
On another note, if you just read the last paragraph in isolation it sounds like Oden wants Cho to be more than just his GM……if you catch my drift.
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I catch your drift.
He’s just tired of these one-night things.
"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010
I am greg is progressing
I just wonder who will be the back up center to Camby when the season starts? Joel is still a ways off as well.
If The Blazers should of resigned Juwan Howard
Rich Cho "no one is untouchable"
Who said anything about Greg not being ready?
Look, they are just being extremely cautious. Unless Greg has pain in the knee, which would be unusual when the X-ray and the CT-scan both show the bone to be healed, he will be ready to go when camp opens. They think the bone is healed, but they are taking it slow and seeing how it responds to increased use and stress.
by upper left corner on Aug 26, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification, Ben. This sounds logical and reasonable.
I posted a comment this AM saying we might need to put anti-anxiety meds in the water supply. After all the drama over Cho’s earlier comments, I think we need to up the dosage.
It’s OK, everybody. They are just doing their due diligence with the team’s franchise player. They are being unreasonably cautious for good reason.
by upper left corner on Aug 26, 2010 8:20 PM PDT reply actions
Just wait, there is a reason Oden was considered a generational player.
I called Oden the franchise player on purpose. If he stays healthy, I think he will ultimately be our best player. Roy is outstanding, but Oden will dominate the boards and the lane, and defense is the key to Championships.
by upper left corner on Aug 26, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
truth. but after 3 years of major injuries to his lower body
seems far fetched. All we can do is hope
WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE
What upper left corner is saying is true.
Those three injuries that Greg had is behind him. Any injury he gets from this day forward is a new injury. BRoy has a lingering injury in his knee so his chances of durability is lower then Greg’s.
Once Greg starts playing again, he is like any other player in the NBA, a high risk to injury becuase of the job. Maybe part of their pay is hazardous duty pay.
Now, I am not saying that Greg doesn’t have Big Body syndrome. I am just saying that any injury Greg gets wiil not be because his old injuries are lingering.
Therefore IMO, Greg being our franchise player isn’t far fetched.
hg
I just hope...
…the injury bug truly goes away next season. And I also hope BRoy doesn’t have lingering knee injuries, or at least have it occur less often and be less of a serious injury.
Once Greg can start rolling again, he can show the world why we picked him over KD. I find it unfair that G.O. didn’t get a lot of chances to prove to himself he’s deadly. It’s really not fair.
Roy's knee will be under less stress if he learns to play without the ball/play less
isolation ball. I think Roy knows this FINALLY. At least from what he’s said this summer in interviews. He didn’t directly say “this will help my knee last longer” but really…unless Roy is totally clueless, he should know this. And this may be why he is working on his off the ball game.
Nice work getting a clarification Ben
Odens injury was on Dec 5. I wonder how long it takes for the bone to reach maximum strength again? Anyone know?
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions
Is there a Bone Doctor in the house?
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
My older cousin might know something...
Wait, he’s trying to go into neurosurgery, not orthopedics.
Dang.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Several months,
up to a year and sometimes several years in certain people. But the caveat is that not all bone is the same, nor does all bone see that same forces and not all bone has the same blood supply.
So to apply this to the Blazers – a tibia fracture in Sam Bowie is different than a patella fracture in Greg Oden. The tibia has a poor blood supply, is often treated with a nail which causes bone to heal with cartilage first and then remodels to bone, if not done correctly can lead to malalignment and is often more osteoporotic than the same bone on the other side for years.
The patella has excellent blood supply, is often treated with screws & wires which compresses the two bone ends together and gives excellent stability with little micromotion. This allows the bone to skip the cartilage phase of fracture healing and instead, hard bone bone is directly laid across the fracture site. The downside is that the patella is within a joint and is exposed to synovial fluid which can retard fracture healing.
In any case, clinical union occurs first when the bone feels stable and is relatively pain-free. This could be from 4-6 weeks. Radiographic union occurs when x-rays show that bone has crossed the fracture. This usually occurs 6-12 weeks. However, bone at this stage is still not as strong as native bone and it isn’t until the new bone is completely remodeled (over the course of months) that the original strength & stiffness is reached.
In an average Joe who is active, return to sports and vigorous activity can be resumed after rehab is complete which is usually in 6 months.
Greg is NOT average, this is still the off-season and with his prior injuries and front office miss-steps in announcing time-tables; it isn’t hard to see why Dr. Roberts/Bayno/Jensen/Cho are being conservative.
by odenator69 on Aug 26, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
Very nice, thanks for the info.
Why couldn’t the Blazers have simply posted something like this on their web site? It’s informative without implying any specific timetable.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
yep, thank man, good stuff
I still do not think our training staff know what they are doing, but the info is reassuring…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Yep, good post.
Reading that somehow made me feel better, some kind of hope. I guess just knowing that his injury isn’t as bad compared to Bowie makes me feel better.
Cho was right to not put any timetable, but it kinda scared me when Cho said something about G.O. being in this group of people who sustained certain injuries.
I hope Greg really finds what the heck is going on with his body, and try to help his body become more durable.
Though this is slightly better news
I still prefer to panic.
I got be honest...
…I’m a little confused about how he can on schedule, yet there is no schedule because its hard to say how long it will take for the bone to heal?
That sounds like something out of a Credit Card contract.
(do when you fumigate, meaning in bunches) - Rudy Fernandez
I am quite pessimistic about Oden right now
I don’t like how we are being kept in the dark. You would think if there was good news about Oden they would be broadcasting it. All of this secrecy surrounding him leads me to believe he is behind the arbitrary schedule and probably won’t be ready for the start of the season.
He's on a Double-Secret Schedule.
It’s not the schedule Nate gave us in June. It’s a new double-secret schedule that neither we nor the Blazers know. Whatever Oden is doing at the moment is the schedule, and when he is ready to play then he will be ready to play on that schedule.
Got it?
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So if understand you correctly...
…Oden is stuck in The Matrix?
(do when you fumigate, meaning in bunches) - Rudy Fernandez
More like Animal House.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
DID WE QUIT WHEN THE L@KERS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?!?!
THANK YOU KEVIN PRITCHARD
Blazers fan since '91
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by rise_stand_resist on Aug 28, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking of this Kevin Bacon character when reading upper left corner's responses
He’s been trying to tell everyone to “remain calm” while being trampled by a mob of panicy replies
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
How can a bone get "stronger"?
Isn’t the recovery more about muscle/soft tissue strengthening and brain/joint coordination? I’m no expert on ossification, mind you, but if his bone ain’t 100% by now…
Rich Rolled
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Aug 26, 2010 9:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Per what I learned in Anatomy
When bones break, and assuming that proper healing has taken place, viz formation of procallus to fibrocartilaginous callus and then to resorption and fusion of bone fragments along lines of weightbearing, the healing site is stronger than before. this is because of increased bone deposition and formation at the fracture site. Again, it depends on general conditions like nutritional status and possibly, proper casting and immobilization of the limb.
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
Actually no,
woven bone and residual callus needs to be replaced by lamellar bone and the osteoporosis from either immobilization or nonweightbearing status needs to lessen before full strength is restored.
Bone becoming stronger after a break is a myth.
Add this to the list of things I learned in school that are incorrect
Pluto is a planet
Glass is a liquid
Bones are stronger after a break
and many more.
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Has anyone tried keeping GO away from Andre Miller?
Just in case tominhawaii is right.
by MiledAnimal on Aug 26, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Now that it sounds better, what can they tell us to reassure it won't happen again. Until Greg plays
a whole year, I’m going to be scared to watch him jump.
The good thing is
He doesn’t need to really jump a lot to be effective. Of course, when he can jump, he’ll just be that much better, but I’d settle for a mobile greg with no hops at this point. Dude eats rebounds for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Nom nom
Do you think Cho
could use some bedside manner lessons, some good old boy lessons, some hey bro, give me some dap lessons, some I’m new and don’t want to piss off the boss so please be patient with me lessons?
This guy is extremely uncomfortable in his new skin.
He definitely wasn't well prepared for the public side of his job.
Let’s hope he knocks it out of the park on the internal side of his job, then we won’t care what he says, or how he doesn’t say it to the public.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Rich sounds a lot like Petrie did, when Geoff was interviewed as the new GM back in the early '90s
and Petrie had even been on the radio broadcasts before he advanced to the front office
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Seems the ones being impatient and the pessimists re. Oden
… are the same individuals. I can see the cause for pessimism, but the argument seems to be, “Let’s hurry up and get him on the court so he can get hurt again and call him Bust once and for all.”
The other side of that argument is if he never plays he won’t get hurt. I’m no doctor. I just hope Cho knows how crucial this is for his future. I get the impression he can lay down some sort of mojo that gets the experts talking sense.
by jiminut on Aug 27, 2010 7:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don't have the foggiest idea why Rich is still talking about the patella fracture
Greg is an athlete who is only 22 years old, his bones are going to heal just fine. That’s the easy part.
What is absolutely crucial for him right now is that he properly strengthen the stabilizing muscles around the knee. Hopefully he’s working with a physical therapist to take care of the muscle imbalance in his left leg.
If Greg doesn’t get his muscles in order he could suffer the same injury again.
"We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude." - Rich Cho
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions
Cho's Future is tied to Oden
The only way Cho is considered a success is if Greg can play great basketball for a significant time.
Being extremely careful and making double sure Greg is ready to perform at the NBA’s elite level of physical exertion is more than prudent.
He’s married to Oden and so are the rest of us- Go GO
So according to your statement...
… KP made the right pick with GO? (The answer: yes) Wouldn’t KP also be considered a success if Greg played great, even if he doesn’t work for us anymore?
… Then why was he fired? Lol. No one knows, but if he was fired for not taking KD, that’d be dumb. Not trying to bring up an old debate, just trying to say that if he was fired for that reason, that’s dumb.
Does anyone know what the deadline is for us to sign Oden???
If I understand correctly we have until a certain date to sign him or he becomes a RFA at seasons end. When is it?
Also what is the Bedge feeling as to what Cho is thinking in terms of signing Oden? Is he going to wait it out and make Oden prove he can stay healthy a whole season before extending him, or will he sign him soon?
Personally I would love to see us sign him up ASAP to a moderate contract that has a ton of incentives allowing him to earn his coin, but not killing us if he goes down again. Probably immposible to do, but hey im just a die hard fan without the a law degree.
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
I believe Oct 31 is the extension deadline.
No one knows what Cho is thinking. He’s No Show Cho. He’s got a Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-poker face.
I’ve been mentioning incentives every time there’s an Oden contract discussion as well. 25% of the contract is the maximum allowable as incentives I believe.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
thanks for the info, so we still have a couple months to get er done
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
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