A Coach Fires Back
On the heels of yesterday's Nate McMillan piece comes this story, picked up by MJD of Shutdown Corner (usually a great read, by the way). Apparently Buffalo Bills coach Chan Gailey responded to his own heckling fans at a recent practice by yelling at them and ordering the team not to sign autographs in their section. Apparently this is also causing a buzz. I find it slightly ironic that anyone would get on a moral high horse to defend heckling, surely among the lowest of the arts, though amusing if practiced skillfully.
To me it's a goose and gander situation. Fans have the right to yell what they wish, I suppose. That's their power. Coaches have the right to exercise their power as well, which in this case includes autograph withholding. It probably would have been better to just let it go, just as it would be better for the fans in question to keep their (cough) "expert" opinions a little more circumspect. But if one doesn't you can't bind the other to.
At least the coach got the right targets in this incidence. People on the inside of the sports world often view those on the outside, including and especially fans, as idiots. Familiarity breeds contempt. Every fan criticizes but not every fan heckles. Every fan has opinions but not every fan thinks their opinion is the summit of knowledge. We've had our own struggles holding on to the identity of a site formed by and in touch with fans while at the same time feeling the stigma of same. It can be a frustrating battle. Plenty of people still use the word "fan" in a pejorative sense. To those I'd say, "You're wrong. Look a little deeper." To the hecklers I'd say, "Maybe you have a point, but chill out anyway." To Coach Gailey? Whatever you need to do, man. If you win games with your philosophy nobody's going to complain, least of all those nuts in the stands yelling.
Personally I try not to say anything in public I wouldn't repeat with the person I'm talking about standing right in front of me, meaning face-to-face, not down on the field. It might be something worth thinking about as we're all commenting in this very public forum.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Anybody willing to be a Bills fan...
Has earned the right to heckle. Anybody named Chan deserves to be heckled.
by 52therim on Aug 24, 2010 11:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Chan doesn't deserved to be heckled yet ...
Scott Norwood on the other hand .. you broke my heart buddy you broke my heart.
A Troll by any name is still a troll
Best advise I have ever got is don’t feed a troll or a heckler. They will starve and go away.
hg
I find that part of sportsfandom annoying
Until I joined Blazersedge, I was never exposed to fans who hated players on their own team. The same could be said for fans that lust after players on other teams. Back when I was just a naive fan looking for more information on my favorite team, I just assumed we all loved the players on our team, warts and all, and we hated and sometimes begrudgingly respected players on other teams. Sometimes I miss the good old days.
I am the Latrell Fontaine Sprewell of Blazersedge.
by tominhawaii on Aug 25, 2010 7:28 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Irony.....
……from the best Miller-hater in the business?
by upper left corner on Aug 25, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Do the Blazers play the Bills this year?
Seriously, though, I’m glad we have the distance and anonimity of the internet so we can say whatever we want about these big guys who would pretty much squash me like a bug.
#52
I've no problem with it when done properly.
I go to the Rose Garden to do what I can, within the bounds of appropriate social conduct, to help the Blazers win. If I can have a negative effect on the opponents by heckling them, I’m going to do it.
I’ve told this story before on this site but I’ll briefly recap it here. A couple of years ago my brother and I were lucky enough to get seats two rows behind the Nuggets bench when they came and played Portland in December. We were ragging on them pretty much the whole game — asking Birdman why he jelled his hair and suggesting that he shave, telling Dahntae Jones to please sit down because we couldn’t see and standing wouldn’t make Karl put him back in the game anyway, telling Melo that Anthony Carter just said that the refs were snitching and he should do something about it. No “you suck!”, no profanity, no personal attacks…though security would have loved that, because they were hovering and looking for an excuse to kick us out. Not wanting a repeat of Malice I guess.
By the end of the game it was clear that we had had an effect. Jones and Birdman were staring us down every time they got the chance. Renaldo Balkman turned around and made an anatomical suggestion that is highly BE-inappropriate, but some key letters of the words involved were “s,” “mf”, and “d”. After we asked Dahntae to sit, the whole Nuggets bench stood to spite us. Half the fans in our section were aghast (the boring rich people, if you ask me) and the other half were dying of laughter and telling us to come back anytime (the cool rich people!).
The Blazers won that game, which capped off an amazing night. But if the Nuggets were getting visibly worked up about our heckling, then that was focus and energy that they WEREN’T putting into beating the Blazers. I’m not condoning heckling in all instances or in all forms. We didn’t say and would never have said anything about Coby Karl’s medical situation or the traffic accident that killed JR Smith’s friend for a couple of examples. But when done well and respectful not to cross into the territory of beyond the pale, I think it’s a fun part of being a fan and can have a positive effect for the team you’re supporting.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Aug 25, 2010 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's a good story
But when done well and respectful not to cross into the territory of beyond the pale, I think it’s a fun part of being a fan and can have a positive effect for the team you’re supporting.
I would agree with that, although I’d never do it (don’t really have the personality for it).
Heckling can sometimes have the opposite effect though. Watch this. Almost 7 minutes but worth it.
HAHAHA that's awesome!
I remember that game and wondering why they were all standing! I as 15 back from basket so my heckling usually doesn’t have as much of an effect although KG stared me down a few times when the celtics were out and we beat them without Roy.
"We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
That's cool.
this last year I sat about 10 rows back in my friends awesome seats for a preseason game. It was one of the games where like 10 million fouls were called. Near the end of the game I kept heckling the refs, screaming stuff like"Go home scabs," or “don’t cross the picket lines scabs!” I made sure to always use the word scab. I have a crazy loud and booming voice that carries very well, and the arena was quiet as it was preseason. It was pretty fun. I could see a few of the players laughing about it and looking for me. the refs were looking for me too with scouls. Didn’t accomplish anything but it was still fun.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Aug 25, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I was very drunk btw, and irritated that they were calling so many fouls and keeping me up so late. Normally I'm not a heckler.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
by dario argento on Aug 25, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Words to live by
If everyone in the media followed Dave’s example that …
Personally I try not to say anything in public I wouldn’t repeat with the person I’m talking about standing right in front of me, meaning face-to-face, not down on the field.
we’d have a lot more civil discourse.
As for this situation, I’ve got no problem with heckling during game, but this was a practice. That’s pretty weak, and worthy, IMO, of a dressing-down by the coach.
by Lance Uppercut on Aug 25, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I agree
What do you heckle at a practice anyway? I understand a bad play in a game — Sort of. But, I don’t see why you’d harp on a guy who’s practicing; trying to get better. The only kind of heckling at practice I’d to would be to AI and that’s because he didn’t show up.
We went like this, he went like that. I say to Hollywood: Where'd he go? Hollywood says: where'd who go?
Me personally?
I’ve attended Blazer games since I was a kid. I don’t go to heckle. I don’t go to boo refs, or “get on” players. I go to watch the game, I go to offer support and cheer.
To me game attendance is a group activity. I think as a group, a crowd, can help a home team with enerygy and motivation and sometimes affect outcome. Plus it’s shared energy….it’s fun.
“Fans” are free to boo refs, or heckle opponents or even Blazers….But I’d also imagine most of it simply is ignored and should be ignored. I think most “hecklers” aren’t as clever as they think they are…and I’d also think that if you are heckling to the point where you are having an impact on the players…you’re probably annoying a lot of people around you.
Maybe some of it, or a lot of it is up bringing…and I don’t mean to sound elitist. But growing up I went to Blazer games with my dad. And he wasn’t a big heckler…we went to watch the game…study the game…and support The Blazers….through cheering…
Occasionally, my dad would comment that he thought a ref had made a horrible call or was doing a bad job….but he just wasn’t the “heckler” or stand up and tirade against the Zebra’s type.
In most cases I don’t think it matters much. Unless you are being so intrusive or using language that is offensive to those around you, heckle away…I just don’t think it really matters that much. Pro Players hear it all…all season long…for season after season. In fact, I’ve seen players motivated by Boo’s or Negativity as strongly as players motivated by cheers of the home crowd. So it’s a fine line anyway, but how many times have you seen an opposing player hit a crucial 3 pter and then shoot a look at someone sitting courtside…so the "I’m helping the Home Team by Heckling:…can backfire….
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Aug 25, 2010 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm a Bills fan
But the way things are going over there, this may be what their next practice looks like.
We went like this, he went like that. I say to Hollywood: Where'd he go? Hollywood says: where'd who go?
Every "heckler" has a story
About how he affected the other team, and probably won the game for his squad. And while sometimes it might even be true, hecklers can’t possibly do as much as they think – they play no defense and score no points.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen the word Sportsmanship mentioned at all. I don’t think it only applies to players and coaches but to fans as well. If anyone had to go to work everyday knowing that sitting 10 feet away there’d be a couple of hecklers constantly taunting them, most people would probably quit (and a couple might even sue). But NBA players have to accept it as part of the job. But fans don’t.
When I get the lucky chance to go to a blazers game once or twice a year, I’m there to cheer on the blazers – not rag on a defenseless player who can’t say anything back without getting fined a year of my salary.
We asked the owner and organization for a team with class and we got it. So we owe it to them to have class as well.
All day baby, all day!
by LMA All Day on Aug 25, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's an East Coast thing
The mentality is different there than here. They enjoy a good argument no matter what it’s about. The fur can fly and then they walk away as if nothing happened. To them it’s business as usual.
What a great line --
“HEY! You see this group of guys that you loathe and ridicule? YOU CAN’T HAVE THEIR AUTOGRAPH!”
by Corvid on Aug 25, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's really funny.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Aug 25, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
When's a new PODCAST going to be posted?
"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010
It would probably be an improvement if Nate would do some "firing back" of his own.
Nice to see some passion and honest expression.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Kenny Vance got some of that
during an interview down in Vegas KV questioned Nate about his offensive system and Jay Allen said it looked like McMillian was about ready to come over the table after Vance
The lesson? Don’t heckle Nate unless you’ve packed a lunch
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
To me, nobody is right or wrong here.
The Buffalo fans can heckle Bills players, while coach Chan Gailey can react however he pleases in that case.
Back in the day, heckling was an art form
As a boy, I heard some real artistes @ Candlestick in SF. They had remarkably loud voices, and were highly creative. They never used profanity, but they’d get under the skin of oversensitive players. I remember one guy saying something innocuous to Dave Kingman, and Kingman just exploded—charging the stands. Ah, it was a thing of beauty.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
I was in the bay area in the old days too.
Don’t remember the heckling, but remember reports when Willie Mays charged the stands for being called a “$100,000 a year bum”. One summer night a friend and I were driving up Bayshore and saw the lights on at Candlestick, and we decided, “lets go to the game”. We were late, it was a weeknight, low attendance, and a kid was walking out and told us “go ahead in, the gurad is cool” (or to that effect).. So we walked in, and the guard just said to not go to the high priced seats. Fair enough, and there was Willie Mays comming up to bat.. The good old days.
"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"
Heckling okay (I guess) if they can hear you
I sit up far enough away from the court that the players and refs can’t hear an annoying fan. Yet people still seem to want to yell out their coaching suggestions excetera. It’s so annoying. I think they just want to show how much they know about basketball with the rest of the people in the section, but really they just come across as idiots.
by desperationshot on Aug 25, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions
Gailey was way out of bounds
Hecklers are not autograph hounds. They’re older know-it-alls who wear jerseys and may not even know how to read. Having attended football summer practices, I can attest that young kids are the ones seeking graphs from their heros, and they’re the ones who pay the price for a head coach’s misguided player instructions.

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