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On the heels of HoopsHype's interview with Andy Miller, agent for Rudy Fernandez, Jason Quick reports on 95.5 FM that Fernandez is now threatening the nuclear option...

"This is more along the lines of the drama that I was talking about last month. A lot people think that it wasn't drama but I wasn't able to report it at the time.

"Rudy Fernandez is now saying he will not report to the Trail Blazers and he will sit out the final two years of his contract with the Blazers and is prepared to be suspended, forfeit his salary so he can get out of this and go back to Europe and play in Spain. He's done with the NBA.

"This is through his agent. Now this wasn't reported last month because the Fernandez camp was encouraged by Rich Cho who said, 'I will work to deal you.' In the time since, Cho has turned down offers from Boston, Chicago and New York and other teams. So the Fernandez camp is very frustrated.

"There's been a lot of dialogue, some that has even included owner Paul Allen. Rudy Fernandez is absolutely frustrated with the Blazers right now, he doesn't like his role, he doesn't like the system of Nate McMillan and he will not report to the Blazers for training camp and will not report during the season."

Here's Quick's full story.

Thanks to rip_city_swagger in the FanShots.

Update (4:08PM)...

Meanwhile, Sean Meagher at OregonLive.com pulled audio of Rich Cho telling 95.5FM that he's sticking to his script. Here are some of Cho's comments...

"I'm disappointed in the statements. I'm not going to get into a war of words with Andy or Rudy through the media. At the end of the day we're going to do what's best for the organization.

"We're not going to make a trade just to make a trade. We'll make a trade if it improves the team or we can get an asset back that I can use in another trade to improve the team.

"With the CBA, if a guy doesn't report to training camp and he's under contract, he's subject to a suspension and fine. So that's what we would do.

"I'm going to continue to look for ways to trade him.

"It's unfortunate that he feels that way and it's unfortunate he's making these public statements. It doesn't help the cause any at all. I don't really feel a sense of urgency any more than I did last week.

"I'm not going to be strong-armed into making a deal."

Last but not least, according to Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports, Fernandez is "homesick".

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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this makes total sense

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez

by thomasikehara on Aug 18, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

Rudy would be happy
The Blazers would win 60 games
The roster would be consolidated
And I’d be stoked

by tominhawaii on Aug 18, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Say, Tom

I just returned from a short family camping trip to the mountains and I’m feeling a bit disoriented. You seem to have fallen off the Miller-fan-band-wagon again. What gives?

#52

by CatMan2 on Aug 18, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think he's better than Blake and has sweet PERs

I just can’t hide that I hate the guy for reasons on the court and for reasons that no one will understand. I can’t live a lie.

by tominhawaii on Aug 18, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

I like to think of myself as the Nelson Mandela of Blazersedge.

by tominhawaii on Aug 18, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec for political incorrectness

but i imagine you get a whole lot more play time on the beach than he did

Sigh...

by eyeotiger on Aug 18, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He played SF in Europe and he plays Sf with Spain’s national team. I don’t remember him ever playing PG at any time in his career.

by Ming on Aug 18, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I was saying...

…Wesley Matthews? Excellent signing.

"Parting ways is not the end of the world. Ultimately, it may not be a bad thing at all, but right now I know the emotions are pretty raw. But it doesn't serve anyone to bash the Trail Blazers or Paul. It is after all a business of tough decisions. So, for the sake of the players, coaches and everyone who believes in Trail Blazers basketball, let's turn the page, move on and keep our eye on the prize." -KP

by The Cactus Leaguer on Aug 18, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Lovely...

Let him sit, let him not play, let him not get paid.
I like Rudy and all, but this soap opera is starting to get old.

by Jimbob91577 on Aug 18, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rudy: Nothing has changed since my last statements

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Fantastic signature quote!

And nice, dreamy picture of the slack-jawed Spaniard, fresh out of the shower.

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 18, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller quoted as saying:

“Why would anyone want to hold anyone against their will?” Miller asked. “He’s not going to want to practice, he’s not going to want to be around his teammates. I mean, if they thought he was difficult when he was contributing, imagine how difficult he will be when he is not.”

ya… why would someone hold someone accountable to a signed contract..? such evil bastards!
what the @$*!!! are they thinking???? aside from the basic stupidity of driving down Rudy’s value, this comment borders on Patrick Ewing’s “We’re just trying to feed our families” crap back when he was the Union Rep…..

I'd still honk once!

by bklynblazr on Aug 18, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

No problem. I agree with Miller.

I wouldn’t want Rudy here if he doesn’t want to be here.

Rudy can have his wish and sit for two years. Rudy loses $3M dollars, gets 2 years older, and Paul Allen doesn’t even have to pay him while he’s suspended (which would be relative pocket change for Paul anyway).

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Foolish move on Judy’s part. Such a shame all around….

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 18, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul may have to pay Rudy's salary to the NBA/Players association charities in the case of a suspension.

But that’s a good cause, and a mere sliver of what Paul gives to charity each year anyway. So I’m sure that wouldn’t bother him.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

PLEASE no.

At least, not if you mean the upcoming FIBA tourney.
Him playing lights-out in that would do wonders for this whole mess.
He could triple his trade value in a week and a half.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Euroleague team may view his value as better.

No NBA team is going to value Rudy when they believe he is bolting for Europe in a year or 2.

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

But we can't trade him to a Euro team.

If we were willing to just dump him and his contract,
I think he’d get picked up off of waivers if we waived him.

Clearly, we want a return for him. Can’t say I disagree.
We already paid Joventut and the Suns way more than his total salary, just to get his rights.
The real money was spent before he ever signed his deal with us.
Gotta want something for that – even if one has Paul Allen’s wallet.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't buy that his NBA value is being restored.

NBA teams know we have zero leverage and that he isn’t going to be in this league much longer. If he plays well at the worlds, it means his next Euroleague contract pays him better. It doesn’t mean, imo, that his NBA value is getting a bounce. The vultures are circling the dead carcass. We have allowed Rudy’s value to approach zero. We don’t have to trade him, but the offers aren’t getting better.

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we'll see.

But one thing’s for sure: In the no-playing-ball phase of the off-season,
ain’t NOTHING gonna drive up his trade value.
The past 3 months was doomed to be the brutal part of the whole mess, and sure enough, it was.
A little actual Rudy-playing-basketball (and NOT for the Blazers) has to be better than THIS.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

zero leverage?

he can’t make any money for 2 years if the blazers don’t trade him or release him from his deal.

that’s most certainly a degree of leverage. giving up two prime earning years is a big deal.

by colinmarsh on Aug 18, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

we can prevent Rudy from playing elsewhere

We just can’t convince other teams that Rudy is a key piece of our team and they ought to offer a key piece of their team to get him.

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 9:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Unless ...

… they just need a quick fix to spread the floor (I.e., Boston, L.A., Dallas) and throw something expendable our way. They will be gutting their teams in the next couple years anyway.

by PTB Tested on Aug 18, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec for likelihood

and justice!

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 18, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

what happens with cap room and his salary in that situation?

Geriatric Dunk Squad!
1/4/10 - Juwan Howard dunks on Chris Kaman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkOqDgLb6s
3/7/10 - Andre Miller Tomahawk jams on the Denver Nuggets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JVgm7F1QA
4/12/10 - Marcus Camby drops 30 and 13 on OKC to cement 50 wins. http://www.nba.com/blazers/media/camby_chant_041310.mp3

by Eat Politicians on Aug 18, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Nothing changes

If the team wants to get rid of him and clear a roster spot, they have the option to trade him for something (or next to nothing), waive him at full price, or negotiate a buyout.

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

His salary still counts fully against the cap if he’s suspended by the team. And he still counts as a roster spot.

by Storyteller on Aug 18, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if he's waived, but gets picked up before he clears waivers?

Seems like, at his salary level, he’d get snagged.

I get the feeling Cho, LarMil, and P-Al aren’t willing to just have him and his salary gone, even if that’s possible.
They want to have either Rudy (even in THIS state of affairs) or his worth in return.
No pretending the acquisition just never happened.
That’s the clear policy here, and firmly.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

In that case

his salary would count against his new team’s cap instead of the Blazers.

I wouldn’t hold my breath……

by Storyteller on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

HE should buy his way out

by paying the Blazers, after this b*atch move.

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 18, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Rudy

Newsflash – we’re pretty much done with you too. Nothing personal, you’re a great player but not a great fit. That’s why we signed Matthews.

Now if you or your agent had half a brain, you would stop saying garbage like “I’m done with the NBA”… you will never get traded that way, because nobody will want to trade for you, unless it’s for a bag of balls which Portland will never do.

So now is the time to go back, say that something was “lost in translation”, tell everyone you’re excited to play anywhere in the NBA this season (Portland or wherever), and start working for a deal behind the scenes so that everyone can save face in this fiasco.

"Parting ways is not the end of the world. Ultimately, it may not be a bad thing at all, but right now I know the emotions are pretty raw. But it doesn't serve anyone to bash the Trail Blazers or Paul. It is after all a business of tough decisions. So, for the sake of the players, coaches and everyone who believes in Trail Blazers basketball, let's turn the page, move on and keep our eye on the prize." -KP

by The Cactus Leaguer on Aug 18, 2010 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Andy Miller's other client sucked it up, adapted his game, and contributed significantly last year. Some even thought he was the MVP of the season.

If you don’t like Nate’s offense, that’s fine, but using Rudy’s hissy-fit to illustrate your view is misguided.

by Sean M on Aug 18, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

You don’t think if Rudy was in a system that featured a lot of fast breaking, with lots of player and ball movement, he’d flourish? I do.

How soon we forget that Rudy set the rookie 3-point record!

by Visionary2 on Aug 18, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec.

Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

by Benjamanic on Aug 18, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The player should fit the team.

The team should not have to fit the player. There MIGHT be one or two exceptions but Rudy is not one of those.

I am no longer "young" enough to know everything!

by blazerfrog on Aug 18, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec for level-headedness

The team in the organization that I root for and the players fall under that moniker, as much as I love certain players, this will always be truth.

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 18, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

People said the same thing about Sergio........

I love B Edge almost as much as I love B Roy and close to my love for B atum

by kengriffey on Aug 18, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

so true

I love the contradiction. its not the player it must be the coach!

by Billy Hoyle on Aug 19, 2010 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

We should be tailoring our offense to a malcontent?

No thank you.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

massive rec.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least Quick's happy...

…now he feels all vindicated.
Apparently Cho said to Quick that he would not release Rudy. So what now? Call Rudy’s bluff? Good! What harm can come to the Blazers if he does indeed sit out 2 years? We scare of Claver? Oooooooo! Meanwhile, Batum’s doing fine and has had a starter’s role since day one.

I wonder what other GMs think of Rudy now? Do they think that he’s a prima donna, or are they just thinking that this is just an agent blustering, and they’d be perfectly willing to give Rudy a chance?

by meru on Aug 18, 2010 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think you have to do this

1) keep trying to trade Rudy, but only if you are getting value back (basically, he would have to be a throw-in piece to a bigger deal at this point – getting value just for him seems unlikely now)
2) Call his bluff and suspend him and let him sit.
3) Be willing to negotiate a reasonable buyout contingent upon him not playing in the NBA for the next two seasons.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Aug 18, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's your buyout Rudy...

Uh Rudy? Bye. Out.

No $ for quitters…

by Visionary2 on Aug 18, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you're going back and forth on this? :)

You were supportive of Rudy and blamed Nate exactly one minute before this post. Nothing wrong with changing one’s mind, but that was quick.

Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

by Benjamanic on Aug 18, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jason Quick.

Zing!

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Aug 18, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

No disrespect intended.

Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

by Benjamanic on Aug 18, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

None taken...

I didn’t like Nate’s handling of Rudy, and believe a better coach would have utilized his skills more effectively.

But I can’t condone a holdout by a player under contract.

by Visionary2 on Aug 18, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on the other GM part

Rudy is going all in and the dealer hasn’t even done the flop. What’s the point in having an agent if together they both think this is a good idea.

by tominhawaii on Aug 18, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vindicated?

Ok, if thats how Quick wants to try and play it. I personally find it hilarious that Cho did not return Quicks call, but talked to Wheels. I am liking Cho more and more.

Til the wheels fall off.... Marcus Camby

Go Blazers !!

by FrenchieFan on Aug 18, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

???

He did return Quick’s calls. Quick talked about his conversation with Cho on the 95.5 later.

And is it really surprising that he would talk to a Blazers employee first?

by mas1983 on Aug 18, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

This never would have happened if KP were still in town.

Brandon Roy in a video with marijuana! Rudy ready to sit out the remainder of his contract. LaMarcus Aldridge bailing on playing for team USA.

This would never have happened on KP’s watch.

by GiftofGame on Aug 18, 2010 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

My last post was completed sarcasm FYI

Also I may want to change my Avatar logo thingy now too. Rudy’s best play of his life is represented in the picture to the right.

by GiftofGame on Aug 18, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

you forgot to use the sarcasm font

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
@nathanbegley

by HurraKane212 on Aug 19, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

They are acting out

just like kids do when their parents get a divorce.

by Roybot on Aug 18, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. . . According to Quick, Andy Miller said there were several potential deals

Before the draft: Chicago & Hinrich, Miami & Daequan Cook
Toronto draft pick
Conversations with Boston, San Antonio, Wiz (several times) about draft picks and/or players
Another source of Quick’s (not Andy Miller) says Courtney Lee was offered, but Houston backed out

Cho wants a top 15 pick, but even Rudy’s agent says he can’t garner that.
Latest offer was Chicago’s draft pick (involving pick Chicago got from Charlotte)

by Corvid on Aug 18, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

If Chicago really offered the Charlotte pick, that would be good value

I would have to look up how much it is protected though

The Wizards allegedly were willing to offer quite a bit for a package around Rudy and Travis a year ago including their 2010 first round pick, but those were better times.

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Charlotte’s pick is for 2012. Top-14 protected in the 2012 draft, top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016. Went to Chicago in the Tyrus Thomas deal.

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'd do that as well.

Charlotte isn’t going to improve drastically any time soon. It’ll likely be a top 18 pick.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 18, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. This situation isn’t getting any better.

by ArbyOSU on Aug 18, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Who told the agent that? Cho should have been telling him that he couldn’t get a late 2nd rounder for Rudy because he’s a crybaby to the media.

by tominhawaii on Aug 18, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

His agent needs a muzzle.

Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

by Benjamanic on Aug 18, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

It’s such a punk move to threaten to not show up to training camp considering Nate and Roy’s votes of confidence in the media. That’s the thanks they get for being professional and forgiving toward a player who quit on his team in the playoffs.

Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

by Benjamanic on Aug 18, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

grain of salt?

i mean i get that people want to believe this isn’t true but how many rudy or rudy’s agent interviews where he expresses unhappiness with his role and the team and claims he was lied to does one have to read before they stop blaming the media for creating unsubstantiated drama?

rudy wants out and he’ll do whatever it takes to get out. the writing has been on the wall for months. pointing fingers at quick or the unreliable spanish media is whistling past the grave yard.

by colinmarsh on Aug 18, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

FYI -- by "grain of salt" I meant

1) That we were hearing only one side of the story at this point
2) The agent has an agenda (his quotes may be leaving out part of the story or details may not be entirely correct)
3) Quick also has an agenda (clearing his name re: the drama issue)

Sometimes Quick’s stuff on the radio isn’t as accurate as what he writes up in the paper, when he’s had a chance to check with other sources and isn’t just relying on what one person says.

by Corvid on Aug 18, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

UGH.

That is a LOT of protection. Yucko.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Brian Smith adds, via Twitter:

Fernandez originally presented #Blazers with about 10 teams he wanted to be traded to. List narrowed to three by the time Cho was hired.

Fernandez’s list of desired destinations: Chicago, Boston, New York. That list has left the #Blazers hampered, though.
#Bulls and #Celtics will likely hold late first-round picks in the immediate future, while #Knicks are basically out of tradeable picks.
  
#Blazers have made counteroffers to Chicago, Boston, New York. None of the proposed deals have been accepted or promising enough to complete

by Corvid on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

therein lies the problem

If Rudy wants out so bad, he should open up his list of teams. Restricting us to 3 teams is unrealistic.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Aug 18, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

The ‘No. 1 player in Spain and one of the top players in the NBA’ isn’t worth a lottery pick?

Andy Miller needs to get his story straight….

by Storyteller on Aug 18, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, no, no

When he came into the league that’s what he was. Now that he has been tarnished by 2 years of playing for the Blazers, he’s worth about the #45 pick. Sheesh, Storyteller, don’t you even watch basketball?

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Aug 18, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's such an outrage.

I suggest you sit out the rest of your contract and ask a for a trade SS&R. No more explaining the TPE and cap holds for you!

"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan

by xedubx on Aug 18, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

trade TO SS&R, I mean.

"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan

by xedubx on Aug 18, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think you should give dave the option to trade you to

1. the dream shake
2. the liberty ballers
3. blog a bull

i hear if we package you with timbo we could easily get 1 foul-mouthed troll and a guy with a BROKEN CAPS LOCK KEY

MAKE IT HAPPEN CHO!

by colinmarsh on Aug 18, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Knowing your knowledge of the cap...

I’m sure you’ve arranged your contract to end at the same time as your homies…

by Visionary2 on Aug 18, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only reason this is not green that I can think of

is that not enough people made it down this far. Hilarious.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Aug 18, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Marc Gasol was actually considered the top player in Spain then, and not Rudy.

by Ming on Aug 18, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: "Cho wants a top 15 pick, but even Rudy’s agent says he can’t garner that."

I’m on record as saying that Boston’s 2012 first-rounder will be top-6.
And they currently have ZERO willingness to realize that, and won’t guard it as such.

Question: In the 2006 off-season, what would one have to give up to get
Miami’s 2008 first-rounder, unprotected, or at least the right to trade spots, Bulls/Knicks style?
Did ANYONE (Miami included) at that time consider it might be the #2 in the draft?
Well, it was – great team at the time, but full of old players and injury bait.
That’s the current Celtics team, RIGHT THERE.

Rudy for Boston’s UNPROTECTED 2012 first-rounder, or the rights to swap picks, straight up.
If Boston won’t do that, we shouldn’t have to throw in TOO MUCH extra
(random role player we drafted in the past two years) to make it happen.

But mark my words: That’s gonna be an AWESOME pick, and it’s available like a #28 pick.
I WANT THAT PICK!

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe if it was the 2013 pick

But I believe a number of people are on the record stating that Boston plans to blow up and rebuild after the big three’s deals expire. From memory that is in about two seasons time. As presently constructed the Celtics will be OK for a season or two – their 2012 pick might be in the mid-high teens but I don’t see them missing the playoffs until the big three start moving out. Then its a question of how well they can rebuild around Rondo.

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by MadBlaze on Aug 18, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rondo will be to their 2012 team what Wadewas to the 08 Heat.

Too much of the only decent guy to NOT get worn down and possibly injured.

Still, what you say means Boston KNOWS they’re at risk for sub-par play in a couple of seasons
and may view their pick just like I do: A VERY high pick to add to Rondo, Baby, and whatever’s left of Perk.
If so, that’s very smart of them – Miami wasn’t.

(I still want that pick. You just make clear it might not be as easily had as I wish. Good point.)

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that’s why you can possibly get value in 2012. Sure there’s a possibility that that team will be middle of the pack, but KG’s probly gonna be a corpse, Allen is well past it, and Pierce is likely in decline. + no more Thibs to instill the defensive scheme.

by atomiccafe on Aug 18, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a closet Celts fan...

Danny Ainge is not going to give up his #1 pick for a guy that says he doesn’t even want to play in the NBA.

by Visionary2 on Aug 18, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent point.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 18, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh...

Rudy’s play last year resulted in his value decreasing from his 3-pt Rookie record holding year 1..
Nate’s under-utilization of Rudy in Year 2 led to the atrophying of his skills to his current suckdom.

by Visionary2 on Aug 18, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man...

I’d love to be in a situation where I could spit in the eye of a multi-million dollar contract and threaten to take my ball and go home like Rudy is.

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by Anthony Stine on Aug 18, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

What a punk

Earth to Rudy, you had your chance last year in the playoffs when Roy was out. Unfortunately, you played so poorly the Suns were hiding Steve Nash on you when Prtland had the ball and attacking you at will on D. Hopefully, he can shutup for a few weeks and have at least a decent showing for Spain so we can get something for him.

James, Wade, and Bosh = the Nazgul. Once they were great kings, until their greed got the best of them in their lust for the ring.

by blazeraddict on Aug 18, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Stay stong Cho!!!

don’t give into demands! He made his own bed now let him lie in it.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Aug 18, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

call his bluff

let him sit at home and play pickup ball for the next two years. if all we lose in all this is a late first round pick, no big deal.

in KP i trusted

by CleBlazer on Aug 18, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey.

At least August in Portland got a hell of a lot more interesting.

(do when you fumigate, meaning in bunches) - Rudy Fernandez

by MikeIrish on Aug 18, 2010 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

What's Rudy going to do when Portland is doing fine without him and he still isn't allowed to play

in Europe because FIBA won’t allow it? I’m glad Cho said he won’t be forced into making any trade.

Rudy needs to be fined for going public with his demands. He dug his own grave by killing his trade value.

by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 18, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

rudy will come back

as long as the blazers start strong, rudy won’t sit out more than half of the season before realizing that he has to play if he wants to get traded

by StocktonNEP on Aug 18, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said this recently too. Shouldn't he be fined for demanding a trade publicly?

I’ve read some where that demanding a trade is an instant fine. He’s not be fined. What the hell?

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Aug 18, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Rudy made his choice.

Now his agent has made him untradeable. Great job, Andy Miller.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 18, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

You British Petroleum-loving surrender monkey?

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

reminds me of some mobster movie

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Aug 18, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeh - "Johnny Dangerously".

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 21, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy, you're breaking my heart.

Dang it Rudy! Portland was LOVING you two years ago. Many of us kept encouranging you to SHOOT last year as you struggled. Now THIS?! Man up, be a pro and adjust to the system. And for the love of all that’s holy, get over the Ariza hit that has RUINED you!

Hey Amar'e! I've got an elbow for you!

by ripcitysarah on Aug 18, 2010 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Rudy, I don't love you anymore.

 I used my I heart rudy to wipe up a dog mess.

by doomsdaymachine on Aug 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I no longer love you magic unicorn

fearless controlled aggression

by sammymohawk on Aug 18, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fernandez is bluffing.

If he wanted to play in europe, he could do so by putting himself on the league’s Voluntarily Retired list and forfeiting his salary.

from the Larry Coon Salary Cap faq:

“There’s nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he’s not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn’t want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league’s Voluntarily Retired list, forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, but can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams."

He wants to stay in the NBA. But if the Blazers don’t meet his demands, he’s going to use the nuclear option.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Aug 18, 2010 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe he doesn't want to STAY in the NBA . . .

. . . so much as come back and try again later, after some more time in Europe.
Retirement would complicate that, too, if that’s what he has in mind.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe FIFA honors the 1 year ban

so he couldn’t play for a year, anywhere pretty much. No one has actually done that yet, only bluffed it. I don’t think Rudy could do it financially though, because he already is paying out on his buyout from his last Euro team. I don’tt hink he could make a full year without a paycheck from basketball.

by usmcr3049 on Aug 18, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing he doesn't want to play soccer then isn't it

lolololololololol….see what I did?

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by MadBlaze on Aug 18, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

But in principle I suppose he is right, though there have been violations and I wouldn’t want to be the lawyer when it comes to really enforcing the NBA CBA abroad.

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by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where does this option appear in the CBA? I can't find any reference to it in the 2005 CBA.

I must not be looking in the right place.

In any event, I’m not sure you are interpreting Coon’s words correctly. When he says “the only exception to this is …” I think he is saying the only exception to a player being able to renounce his retirement at any time is if he files for retirement from the league and is placed on the Voluntarily Retired list. Under those circumstances he must wait a full year to renounce his retirement.

In other words the player is restricted from pretending to retire half way through a season if he is just mad at his team and then returning at the start of the next year (if for instance he became a free agent that summer) if his team originally refused to accept his retirement request (because they wanted him to honor his contract to deliver his services).

I don’t think he means that the player can return to the league in a year and sign with another team if he is still under contract to his original team, if that is what you are interpreting. And it doesn’t mean he can play in Europe if he “retires” but is still under contract to an NBA team. i.e. It doesn’t make it easier for him to escape or ignore his contract to play somewhere else, it restricts his ability to unretire for a year because he certified to the NBA that he was actually retiring when his original team didn’t accept that (believe him).

The Uniform Players Contract would seem to keep Rudy from playing for any other team until the two remaining years of his contract are up. Here’s the important clause from the UPC:

The Player represents and agrees that he has extraordinary and unique skill and ability as
a basketball player, that the services to be rendered by him hereunder cannot be replaced or the
loss thereof adequately compensated for in money damages, and that any breach by the Player of
this Contract will cause irreparable injury to the Team, and to its assignees. Therefore, it is
agreed that in the event it is alleged by the Team that the Player is playing, attempting or
threatening to play, or negotiating for the purpose of playing, during the term of this Contract,
for any other person, firm, entity, or organization, the Team and its assignees (in addition to any
other remedies that may be available to them judicially or by way of arbitration) shall have the
right to obtain from any court or arbitrator having jurisdiction such equitable relief as may be
appropriate, including a decree enjoining the Player from any further such breach of this
Contract, and enjoining the Player from playing basketball for any other person, firm, entity, or
organization during the term of this Contract.
The Player agrees that this right may be enforced
by the Team or the NBA. In any suit, action, or arbitration proceeding brought to obtain such
equitable relief, the Player does hereby waive his right, if any, to trial by jury, and does hereby
waive his right, if any, to interpose any counterclaim or set-off for any cause whatever.

Bottom line, unless he is traded or released, Rudy plays for the Blazers the next two years or he doesn’t play in the NBA or under FIBA (which respects NBA contracts). That’s the way I read the UPC and Coon.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just don't understand what he's thinking.

The more Rudy complains, the less chance he has of getting traded. He has to know that, right?

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by ericking on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, go with that...

Rudy’s worst case scenario is to roll around as a young single hero in his native land for two years.

He’s got his millions. He didn’t waste it all on bling. He’ll play in Europe, even if it’s just exhibitions, and playing for the national team. He’s RU-DY! His life is awesome! What play anymore?

Also, no publicity is bad publicity. Do you not think that two years from now he won’t get multiple millions to play for some Euro team? So, take two years off, maybe find a wife, really rest your back, and finally, get your killer instinct that Trevor took from you. Or not, and just sign one more contract and suck again, and then retire to the beaches…

by Visionary2 on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't hae millions

His Euro buyout means he’s been playing almost for free

by momomoses7 on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy hasn't had a moment of just playing freely since before the Ariza hit.

I think (hope?) the end-of-month FIBA world’s tourney (and the Spanish team’s prep)
is gonna do wonders for both his trade value to the rest of the NBA
and his mature, patient willingness to SHUT THE HELL UP so as to make himself maximally tradeable.
That team is full of NBA vets who should be able to pull him aside and tell him,
“Dude, you’re KILLING yourself with your attitude. Shut up, smile, play ball, and get traded, you donkey.”

Late August in Constantinople can’t come soon enough for me.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Blame Nate:

1) Year one (and 2): Nate said he would start the point guard who played the best. He started Blakey even though Rudy and Bayless showed more on the court.

2) Nate always says he wants to run, but he refuses to build a game plan for anyone but Roy. Frye could run; LA can run; Miller can run; Bayless can run; Rudy can run… A good coach makes the best of his talent. Nate only wants everyone to adapt to him.

3) In the playoffs last year, when Rudy was in he was OPEN, OPEN, OPEN but he NEVER, NEVER, NEVER had a play called for him. If he got the ball at all it was with 1 second on the shot clock.

Be real. Rudy did not stand a chance in Nate’s system. He was told he’d have a major role and a chance to play. He didn’t. I don’t blame Rudy for refusing to come back. Not only that, unless Nate learns to build his offense around the skills of his players, the Blazers will always be an also ran.

by Tim Tim on Aug 18, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I don’t blame Nate for winning instead of pandering to silly egos.

by pxilpooshr on Aug 18, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree that we should build around Rudy.

Obviously, we shouldn’t build around an all-star like Roy. (sarc)

I am no longer "young" enough to know everything!

by blazerfrog on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying build around Rudy

I’m saying use your talent; adapt you offensive strategy to your players; make the best use of what you have. You are all worked up about Rudy, but take a look at the big picture.

by Tim Tim on Aug 18, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd build around Rudy.

I’d build a little sandcastle, with a moat and some turrets, with flags in them.
And I’d put the little dolly princess in his nose.

How adorable!

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Makig the best use of what you have

means building around Roy. And if that means Rudy is underutilized, so be it.

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Aug 18, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate can't be a player-pleaser

A coach can’t be everything to every player. Rudy has no ability at all to attack the basket (but then again, neither did Steve Blake). Apart from shooting 3’s, what other reliable skill does he have? He has good dunking ability, but not much more.

by thevupster777 on Aug 18, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy has no ability at all to attack the basket

Dwight Howard might disagree with that.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 19, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

anecdotes =/= evidence

We got to see him launch floaters every time he drove into the lane this year, seemingly…

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 19, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy is not, and will never be, a point guard.

He doesn’t have anywhere near the ball-handling skills necessary, and can’t guard PGs.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 18, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was clear from that moment he couln't play in the NBA

This is a serious league and Rudy is not a serious player. He absolutely belongs in the Spanish or Italiam leagues. He’s a dangerous shooter so I don’t think it’s in our interest to give him away to an NBA team just to be rid of him. My sense is he should be idled.

by oregonslee on Aug 18, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah.

I’m just saying, if his tourney play ups his trade value in the eyes of at least one NBA team, this is solved.
It doesn’t matter if he’s doomed to fail elsewhere, too – someone could get fooled by a good show
in a style-of-play setting more like the euro style you point out he’s suited to.
Maybe HE’S better off in Europe – but WE’RE better off if some NBA team hopes otherwise,
that he’d also be better off playing for their NBA team.

Some GMs are stupid and proud that way, ya know.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

You need 2 teams to want him to drive up the offers. 1 team doesn't create demand unless...

they are stupid enough to bid against themselves. With Isaiah out of a job, I don’t think there are stupid GMs left unless Minny needs a SG.

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, it happens.

And the second team, for a trade (as opposed to a signing), is the player’s current team saying,
“No – we want more than you’ve offered. YOU HAVE TO RAISE YOUR BID TO GET THIS ITEM.”
The second team bidding is the only way to accomplish that with a free agent,
but for a trade, the current team playing hardball does the same thing.

And besides, the NBA will NEVER be out of teams willing to outbid themselves.
Historically, there have always been a few.
Back in the summer of extensions for Z-Bo, Ratliff, and Darius Miles, WE were one of those.
Thank heavens THAT’S over, eh?

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry to be a pessimist and I appreciate your optimism.

I hope you turn out to be right. I think we can all be frustrated that Rudy created this situation, but to not give some of the blame to the Blazers front office is being a little blind to the truth. The team mishandled this and should have anticipated it coming to this. Quick knew “the drama” was coming weeks ago. Surely the team did too. I guess they think they can ride it out and make it come out smelling good. I don’t see it, but let’s all be hopeful.

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, I am definitely doing some wishful-thinking here.

It’s not that I’m sure the FIBA tourney WILL raise his value; it’s just something in the near term that MIGHT.
And there’s been absolutely nothing in the 3 months since the season ended
that even COULD HAVE made things better in this mess –
things were doomed to worsen by now, and they have.

With the FIBA tourney in a week and a half, there’s finally SOMETHING that might help.
Because Rudy doing nothing but sitting and moping, with only his agent and the Spanish press to talk to:
UGH. Just . . . ugh.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should add, as the basic dynamics of trades go . . .

. . . all that’s really needed is for the team trading for him to believe
that he’ll do more for that team than the things they’re giving up would.
(Matching-salary rules and Rudy’s relatively low salary make the actual monetary value unimportant.)

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he can't play in the NBA, why did he set a rookie record for most three pointers made?

Honestly he needs to work on his handles and his defense, but a motivated Rudy who gets playing time is no less an NBA player than say JJ Redick or even ideally a Ray Allen.

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rudy=Ray Allen?

I am no longer "young" enough to know everything!

by blazerfrog on Aug 18, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now, not at all

Which is why trading him to Boston which reportedly is one of his preferred destinations wouldn’t help him, as even Nate pointed out in an interview he would still be stuck behind Allen at 2 and Pierce at 3. In terms of ability as a player, maybe. Allen is not a good defender or very physical player either. We were all pretty stoked about Rudy after watching him in Spain, in the Olympics, and in his first year when he got invited to the ASG challenges, broke records and hit big shots. That memory has vanished in a hurry.

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think so

Not quite as good, but a lot of similarities. Boston wouldn’t mind taking a gamble on him, IMO.

We have players who play defense now, look out!

by jscot on Aug 19, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

rudy isn't in ray allen's universe

unless you mean really over the hill ray allen. jj redick is a reasonable comparison though and yes rudy can an effective role player in the nba. he seems to think he’s much more than this though.

by colinmarsh on Aug 18, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Playing in the NBA isn't everything

He can play in the NBA. There are different grades of NBA players. Some are good, some are not so good. Rudy did set the rookie record for 3-pointers, but that doesn’t make him a starter automatically. He needs to do a lot more to be a starter in the NBA.

by thevupster777 on Aug 18, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a shame Rudy has decided he's not good enough to play in the NBA.

He’d be a good role player for a lot of teams now while getting better and perhaps getting a bigger role eventually. He apparently prefers to be a big fish in a little pond – in two years.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

JJ Redick spent 3 years buried deep on the Magic bench

Working real hard and not uttering a peep about playing time, and came out a well-rounded role player who plays tough defense and can handle the ball. Rudy has shown no willingness to make simliar sacrifices

by momomoses7 on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I completely agree.

With a better handle (we’re talking about you left hand) and more commitment on defense he would basically be Ray Allen. I have been waiting for his handle to improve since he arrived, but have remained disappointed.

by organjet on Aug 19, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still have not heard anything from Rudy's lips.

Anything. Ever. At any time. That’s pretty glaring in my eyes. I guess this probably means he is gone, but this whole situation feels extremely artificial to me.

by stavrogin on Aug 18, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes, they are "from his lips." But you might want to actually read them before you get righteously indignant.

Because never once have I seen a quote from Rudy saying “I want to be traded.” He talks about missing home, and being confused about his role. That’s it. We get a lot of speculation, a lot of inflammatory quotes from his agent, and a lot of journalists making assertions the facts do not support.

Maybe he actually wants to be traded. Maybe he doesn’t. I don’t know.

I’m glad you said what you said, though, because it shows that people are not taking a very lucid look at this whole situation, but are instead using Rudy as a scapegoat for their frustrations. This is a phenomenon I have seen over and over from Blazers fans.

by stavrogin on Aug 19, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can the Blazers prohibit Rudy from playing for Spain in the Worlds?

If so that may be the salvo to fire back to Rudy if you want to play hardball. I realize it wins no brownie points for the Blazers, but does it matter anymore in this situation?

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Aug 18, 2010 5:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh, no - see my comment a few up from here.

A great showing for Rudy in Constantinople could be the answer to all our prayers in this mess.
Get him playing and having fun again, let some players he trusts get in his ear,
and most importantly, UP HIS TRADE VALUE.
Anything that reminds GMs of his Olympic performance could revive his 2008 trade value.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I understand why you would want him to play well

just asking if we can prevent it. Heck he may stink it up and make his value even worse especially since he will be thinking about this situation.

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Aug 18, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you want him to choke out Nate when Spain plays the USA in preparation, yes, they could prevent it

Or at least force him and the national team to insure himself.

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's another thing.

Since Nate will be there, they may have the opportunity to talk, just the two of them.
Could do wonders for both Rudy’s attitude AND he and his agent’s loose cannonading.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

giggedy

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does this invoke images of the The Talented Mr. Ripley?

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The way I understand it.

The NBA has an agreement with FIBA. The NBA can’t prevent international players from playing for their national teams, as long as the national team deals with paying for the extra insurance.

by Corvid on Aug 18, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rich Cho is SUCH A G
“It’s unfortunate that he feels that way and it’s unfortunate he’s making these public statements. It doesn’t help the cause any at all. I don’t really feel a sense of urgency any more than I did last week.

“I’m not going to be strong-armed into making a deal.”

HAHAH way to show whose boss no more coddling this spoiled brat

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by BlazerFan1 on Aug 18, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

I like that our GM has a spine.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Aug 18, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yep

It’s reassuring to hear Cho’s very calm, in control response.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Aug 18, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely prefer Cho's way of handling the press over KP, at least.

Albeit not as exciting in terms of trade speculations, etc.

"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan

by xedubx on Aug 18, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good way he's handeling it.

Make a trade if it’s decent. Let him rot on the bench if he wants. Doesn’t hurt us.

Of couse I realize everything I say here means nothing.
In K.P. I STILL trust.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.

by llamaiguana on Aug 18, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, good solid reply from Cho

The bluff has been called.

Miller: Rudy is willing to sit out the final two years of his contract

Cho: Fine by me

by Storyteller on Aug 18, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Rich has Rudy in a CHOke hold.

Rich Rolled

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Aug 18, 2010 6:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Iceman

Cho strikes me as a cool customer in a negotiation, and nothing can be more aggravating to someone who’s worked up than an adversary who just stares blankly and occasionally drops a monotone sentence that effectively cuts off their position.

James, Wade, and Bosh = the Nazgul. Once they were great kings, until their greed got the best of them in their lust for the ring.

by blazeraddict on Aug 18, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I came in here to post something similar

respectometer goes way up for Cho

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 18, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is all Nate's fault

He should have re-designed the offense to showcase shooting guards who can’t take anyone off the dribble and get to the rack.

by NeverSummer on Aug 18, 2010 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Reality

I may be in the minority, but to me it’s just absurd for a grown man to be throwing a tantrum over a job which is paying him well over one million dollars this year alone. I don’t care if it’s basketball or tennis or running the deep fryer at Carl’s Jr. He wanted the job, he signed a contract agreeing to do the job for a very good paycheck, and that’s the reality of the situation.

In the real world that’s a lot of money, and not showing up to work is completely insane. If Coach wants him to spell the ball boy, or scrub out the showers, or spend the season operating the T-shirt gun, then quit pouting and do your job. I know professional athletics don’t really work that way, and in that world it might be a “small” contract. But from where I sit (usually in the 300’s at the Rose Garden) the whole situation is ridiculous. There are a lot of folks in Portland who work harder than this guy (for a fraction of the money he’s making) and you don’t see the newspaper filled with complaints because their jobs didn’t turn out exactly how they’d imagined. Man up and go to work, or quit your job and look for one you like better. I hear they’re hiring at Carl’s Jr.

by JonathanPDX on Aug 18, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Pretty sure you are in the majority there.
I may be in the minority, but to me it’s just absurd for a grown man to be throwing a tantrum over a job which is paying him well over one million dollars this year alone

"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan

by xedubx on Aug 18, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it has actually cost Rudy a lot of money to play for pdx

Both in lost opportunity and outright payments for his buyout

#52

by CatMan2 on Aug 18, 2010 6:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That was the risk he took

Thinking he would make more in the long run in the NBA. He knew he’d be making less for this part of his career, and he knew exactly how long that would be. If he played well during his rookie contract, he’d be able to get a good deal for his next contract. It isn’t looking great on that front right now, but we’ll have to wait and see.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Aug 18, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eli Manning wouldn't go to San Diego.

Now he’s a super bowl champ.

Sometimes, it pays to be a big baby.

Rich Rolled

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Aug 18, 2010 8:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He has the contract he wants on the table from Olympiacos and he and his agent will now force the Blazers to release him. The contract is 3 years at €7.2 million euros net income (after taxes) with his agent’s fees paid for by the club. It is = to a 3 year $17.6 million gross NBA contract with the current exchange rates.

 

This is according to various rumors going through the agent’s circles in Europe.

by Ming on Aug 18, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I heard that he's hired Vito Corleone

and that Corleone was going to do to Cho what he did to Johnny Fontane’s agent…..

by Storyteller on Aug 18, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

How exactly will they force the Blazers to release him?

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 18, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

he can't

his only leverage is not to play. big deal, we have other players who can fill his minutes (matthews and bayless). We don’t NEED to get back another good player to fill our our roster. If Paul Allen wants to play hardball (which seems like a very Paul Allen thing to do), then I for one can’t think of anything Rudy can do to force anything.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Aug 18, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, this is sad.

I will agree with all of you who say that Rudy & his agent are sure doing all they can to hurt the average Portland fan, but I continue to feel that the blame is not fairly assigned if only one party is targeted here.

Exhibit A is the way Andre Miller was treated when coming to the Blazers he appears to have been verbally convinced that he would be not only starting, but be a part of planning the team’s tactics and have quite a lot of free reign on the court.

In the end, it wasn’t until Miller exploded in an expletive filled tantrum that Nate moved him to the starting position.

Something was obviously wrong there and I feel it gives us a view into the way the system works.

Now we have Rudy who claims exactly the same thing that Miller was claiming, but isn’t the type to cuss out a coach to his face. Perhaps the type of person to have a long fuse, but when he really gets angry at you, you wake up dead!

Now, I don’t know if all of this misrepresentation is Nate’s fault, or someone else’s, but something is clearly messed up (or Rudy & Miller are just over the top divas) in the organization.

In Bayless I trust.
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by staylost on Aug 18, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe the Blazers promised him a situation in which his talents would be maximized...

Like, for instance, coming off the bench with a unit that could utilize his minimal talents (three point shooting, court vision) and mask his deficiencies (pretty much everything else)…

I think the dude got exactly what he was promised.

by NeverSummer on Aug 18, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

But we are due our opinions.

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by staylost on Aug 18, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a good point.

Nate is not a player’s coach like Doc Rivers. Nate could not coach the L@kers because Kobe et al would not accept his “Do as your told” management style. Nate is the perfect guy to guide a young, undisciplined team, but players who are confident in their abilities likely resent being sent to the corner to wear a “Dunce” cap when they make a mistake.

Plus, I do not think Nate is very self-aware. He has a stated vision for the team, but we never see it on the court. It’s basically an in-joke in Portland. Defense leads to offense, we want to run, and we want to move the ball are his stated mantras, but we never see them in action. The Blazers’ defense is middling, they are the slowest (or 2nd slowest) team in the league, and the BRoy iso show does not promote ball movement. Nate seems to believe his coaching style and his team are something other than they are. That likely causes a lot of problems on the recruiting end. I wonder what Wesley Matthews was promised?

by Sean M on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder when the last time was that a coach said to himself

“boy I sure would like to do what I think gives us the best chance to win, but I really need to honor the promise I made to so-and-so”

by NeverSummer on Aug 18, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, when you put it that way...

I don’t want Nate to sacrifice wins to honor a promise to a player. I’m simply saying I think he may give potential Blazers’ players an inaccurate picture of their role on the team and the team’s direction. Nate’s a good coach with great character, and I like him. I just shake my head every time he does an interview. I’m like, “Are you sure you are talking about the Portland Trail Blazers?” Maybe I’m the only one who sees it that way, but to me, there is a disconnect between what Nate says and what really happens.

by Sean M on Aug 18, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m simply saying I think he may give potential Blazers’ players an inaccurate picture of their role on the team and the team’s direction.

You may be right there. I think there’s an onus on the potential players as well, though. This is the NBA. There’s really no such thing as a promise.

by NeverSummer on Aug 18, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm far, FAR from a Nate fan...

But didn’t Kobe say he’d play for Nate?

by Dobbler on Aug 18, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

I have heard Phil tell him to shut up a lot so he might like discipline.

by Sean M on Aug 18, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

That’s a strike against him

#52

by CatMan2 on Aug 18, 2010 6:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

well, he experienced him as an assistant

in superstar positoin (e.g. Brandon)…. not so fun otherwise.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Aug 18, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem Nate McMillan would have with the Los Angeles Lakers is that he'd lean too much on ...

Kobe Bryant, install an overly simplistic offense, and fall flat on his face like Rudy Tomjanovich — who has Hakeem Olajuwon to thank for his success as a coach in Houston — did several years ago there.

Then again, though, Rudy T. still works as a scout for the Lakers, although that wouldn’t fly if McMillan came in post-Phil Jackson and fell flato n his face. So, when Jackson does ultimately retire, my advice for the Lakers would be to promote Brian Shaw to head coach versus making an outside hire.

by AK1984 on Aug 18, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Miller situation

doesn’t compare at all. Miller was the better PG so he had reason to be peeved

Roy is the better SG… so I don’t follow your logic. Rudy’s not in the same situation as Miller at all

by Billy Hoyle on Aug 18, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy was better than Blake

and had reason to be peeved

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 18, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

not as a point guard

steve blake can’t easily be trapped in the back court by a single defender and forced into tough situations that lead to turnovers.

i was far from a huge blake fan and he shouldn’t have ever started last year but this aspect of his game is overlooked even by people that like him.

smart teams pressed rudy when he brought the ball up the court and it created problems. i distinctly recall houston doing it in the home opener and forcing a TO from rudy at one point.

he does not have the skills to play point in the nba.

by colinmarsh on Aug 18, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Playing Blake with Miller and Roy wasn't really justified

although the team had a nice winning percentage in those games. Rudy is better than Blake anywhere but the point….

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 18, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy didn't ask to start,

so I don’t follow your logic.

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by staylost on Aug 18, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller and Rudy are worlds apart

Miller is a proven talent. Not starting him from the very beginning was a screw-up on Nate’s part, plain and simple. Also, with Andre Miller, we’re talking about the starting PG spot. With Rudy, we’re talking about a second-string shooting guard, and that too, an unproven talent whose only claim to fame is Euroleague experience. There’s no comparison as far as I’m concerned.

As for accusations about Nate stifling his development, again I say that a coach cannot be expected to be everything to every player. Nate shouldn’t be expected to modify his offensive schemes and direct it towards a second-string NBA rookie.

There were concerns about Rudy even before he was drafted. It was said that his lack of body strength made it hard for Rudy to finish with contact. Being able to finish with contact is an important skill that guards ought to have which Rudy doesn’t have. Most of the good starting SG’s have this skill, though some are better at it than others.

by thevupster777 on Aug 18, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The comparison is quite clear.

Two players complained about their future roles on a team were misrepresented. That is the comparison.

Saying something like, “Miller is better than Rudy so I am right”, isn’t really a valid response.

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by staylost on Aug 18, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saying "Miller has a history of success as a starting point guard in this league...

…While Rudy is an unproen talent who can only play the same position as our unquestioned best player" might be more accurate

by momomoses7 on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still irrelevant to my only point of whether they were promised something that they didn’t receive, well, until Miller cussed coach out…

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by staylost on Aug 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bye Rudy

I actually hope we dont trade him now just cause he sounds like such a little punk. Suspend him, fine him, and let his Euro Team that he owes money send their henchman to collect his million dollar debt.

Welcome back Mr. Williams. Yes.

by RipCityBlaze on Aug 18, 2010 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

BETTER GO GET YOURSELF A NICE BARCALOUNGER WITH A 2-YEAR WARRANTY, RUDOLFO...

Dearest Rudy, I used to love you but our relationship is over. You don’t break a donkey’s leg because he’s not going fast enough. You are the reason why you are no longer trade-able.

You sealed your own fate, buddy. Hopefully you decide to not show up for work and the very day Portland is obligated to cut you your check – they find a stipulation in the contract to get out of it. =)

Venom & Snakebites,

Net Ranger

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Aug 18, 2010 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Buh-bye Rudy!!!

Rudy just graduated with honors from the “how to alienate an entire fan base” course.

Two years ago, this guy was on the verge of becoming my favorite player. How did it come to this?

by Scott Matlock on Aug 18, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

So does Quick get any kudos from the BE crowd?

First, this does seem like drama now. Ultimatums, lines drawn in the sand, etc

Second, he took a lot of heat for not reporting this at the time, even though he must have known/believed this was coming. Why did he not report it at the time? Because he didn’t believe it was true? Probably not. Because he couldn’t confirm it or parties were changing their stories? Very likely. Because he knew it would damage Rudy, the team and any potential trade value to report this news? I suspect this is at least partly the case. A little more noble than we frequently give media people credit for.

Is Quick still a tool? Or do we retract those comments we were making about the “drama queen”?

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know that the demands of a benchwarmer

Have the necessary relative weight to qualify as “drama”…

by NeverSummer on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody, including Wheels and KV, assumed it was Rudy as soon as Quick said drama was coming.

The angst towards Quick was that there was nothing new to report at the time. “The Blazers might trade Rudy”. Oh… really! This is clearly what he expected he was going to report at that time. This is the wrinkle in the story that adds some drama to the situation.

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he meant drama in the context of

“drama queen”

..in which case he is certainly forgiven…

by NeverSummer on Aug 18, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't sound like Cho would classify this as drama

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quick mentions that he held the story . . .

 . . . because Rudy had put the dissatisfaction on hold while Cho was shopping for (but ultimately rejecting) trade offers.

If Quick had come out while that was the case, it could’ve jeopardized the trade talks.
As the Blazers beat writer, the one thing he won’t do is interrupt team functioning.
Preserving his access to the team – front office and locker room alike – is a priority for him, and that came into play here.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree.

I’m not the biggest Quick fan, but I think he took the high road here and accepted some criticism, arguably unfair criticism, as a result.

by 52therim on Aug 18, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it IS his fault that he teased the story a month ago.

That’s the only reason he was in this position of a story he promised
didn’t materialize a month ago, then this blows up now, and he has to explain,
“THIS is what I was talking about back then. I just couldn’t talk about it as soon as I thought I would.”

Well, why were you teasing it for July when it’s an August story?
Jumped the gun on previewing it, he did.
That part IS on him.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 21, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

This exceeded the 48 hour window

He gets no credit for saying there will be drama in the next day or so, and after a quiet month, there’s some drama.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Aug 18, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

things change

when he reported it, it was supposed to break within 48 hours. things changed and both sides decided to keep their powder dry for a while longer. Quick, who had already put this out there, ends up taking the fall.

Situations like these are VERY fluid. Things change rapidly. You can choose to either say nothing until it is definately going to happen, in which case you will likely be scooped every time. Or you can go out on a limb sometimes, and made to be look bad when things change right after that.

Hard to fault him too much – he’s just trying to give us all we we want.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Aug 18, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's not so bad

But he shouldn’t pre-announce stories that he might not be able to run.

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by pualo on Aug 18, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quick's still a tool

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Aug 19, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Geez. Why can't he just focus on what's in front of him; the World Championships.

You’d think that’d be a pretty important priority to him…

Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.

by dpnim on Aug 18, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

The European league seasons start in 6 weeks, some cups even earlier

And at some point, teams can’t even afford to wait for a player as good as Rudy and have to finish up their roster plans. He’s under much more time pressure if he really wants to return to Europe than the Blazers or any NBA team.

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heyyyyyy, good point.

He’s got hopes of getting cut free in time to make the Euro season?
Yeh – that’s got to be a pretty panicky approach right about now.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Aug 18, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

U.S. vs. Spain

It’ll be interesting to watch Sunday’s U.S. vs. Spain game. Do you think Nate and Rudy will have any sort of interaction? Or will they pretty much just ignore each other?

by Scott Matlock on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

pistols at dawn is what I predict

I'm a grown man stuck inside the mind of a 3 year old

by The Arkitect on Aug 18, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate will sub in for one play

He’ll Ariza Rudy himself.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Aug 18, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only real jersey I ever bought

was a black Fernandez jersey. Now I am embarassed to wear it to games. For sale, Cheap. Oh well… I guess all those Blake, Outlaw and Webster folks are selling theirs too….but at least those guys wanted to be here.

by Iluvdisteam on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Why didn't we trade Rudy instead of Martell?

Martell was just as if not more frustrated with Nate and his system than Rudy, but he was BEYOND professional to the end, and even after being traded. I’m happy for Martell to get a fresh start with a new team (he seems excited) because he was a TOTAL class act.

Rudy is a whiny little B.

by Dobbler on Aug 18, 2010 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed re webster

Was very sorry to see him go

#52

by CatMan2 on Aug 18, 2010 7:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

we tried to

Minny pulled back at the last minute when they heard Rudy wouldn’t play there.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
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by douglast on Aug 18, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe trading Webster

to a place where he’d have a shot at starting and showcasing his talents (and eventually getting a bigger contract) was a small sign of respect to a guy who was a class act throughout his time in Portland. If they didn’t trade him, he would not likely have had many minutes this year (and eventually, a smaller contract).

by Pooh Richardson on Aug 19, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Quick: nice try!

But we’re still waiting for the “drama.” Rudy crying about his role & demanding a trade? That just rates 1-800-WAAA.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Aug 18, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Dear Rudy

You have an opportunity to make a lot of money in the next 10 years, and a chance to RETIRE AT AGE 34! At which time you can live the rest of your life in Spain. SUCK IT UP! You’ve got things pretty good! Make the best of it, play your guts out, honor your commitments and SHUT THE HECK UP!

Give me #52

by undutchable on Aug 18, 2010 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Why should the Blazers do Rudy a favor and let him out of his contract?

He hasn’t done the organization any favors by making this a public spectacle, I don’t see why the front office should do anything other than let him sit out and lose 2 years of his career.

by billsfan4life on Aug 18, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh and the best part of this threat is that if he actually does sit out

he’s hurting his career a lot more than he’s hurting the Blazers.

by billsfan4life on Aug 18, 2010 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

sorry Jason, still not dramatic

nor unexpected

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Aug 18, 2010 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

No DEAL.

Keep Almart and the other Spanish BEdgers is worth way more than whatever we could get for Rudy.

Born Naked

by Y5k on Aug 18, 2010 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree.

That would be the bigger loss in all of this.

by jrj on Aug 18, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This still isn't drama

Or at least not unexpected drama.

That is all.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 18, 2010 7:39 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Did he say the drama would be unexpected?

I always knew it was this, but it’s drama.

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by pualo on Aug 18, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's really not a big deal.

Rudy Fernandez, for all intents and purposes, is pretty much done as a Portland Trail Blazer; thus, taking it in stride, moving on, and not festering petty resentment toward him is the most practical course of action.

by AK1984 on Aug 18, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree about the petty resentment part

But I see no sense in cutting him an inch of slack.

by southern oregon on Aug 18, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

and what would that entail exactly?

letting him walk from his contract?

i don’t see how that benefits the blazers at all so not sure why they’d entertain doing it.

by colinmarsh on Aug 18, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he just means from the fan perspective.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 19, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it was regarding a real basketball player it might be drama

There’s no drama when it’s your tenth best player

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Aug 19, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would Rudy consider a trade to

the WNBA? We could really use a gal that can defend and hit some three’s. Just sayin’

by Flapbreaker on Aug 18, 2010 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

You know, even though I'm a fan of another team,

I really loved watching Rudy play. And it absolutely stinks that not only will the Blazers not play the man, they won’t trade him to a team that will, and so I might not get to see him in the NBA at all. I do hope you guys trade him, and for value. But I have to say: from the outsider’s perspective, which actually matters in this case, this episode only reinforces a feeling that the Blazers have absolutely no qualms about throwing its people (see Darius Miles, KP) under the bus.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Aug 18, 2010 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

We won't play him because he doesn't want to play here.

And we’re not going to trade him if it doesn’t benefit us.

Darius is unforgivable because he pretty much screwed the Blazers’ salary cap by fudging a knee injury and then when he gets traded MY GOODNESS A MIRACLE HAPPENED Darius can play.

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by rise_stand_resist on Aug 18, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, under a bus..

Yes we threw Rudy under the bus if you mean he was under the weight of a bus-full (many buses even) of rowdy fans chanting his name even before he scored a point as a Blazer. And I suppose we threw him under a bus when we played him 25 minutes per game his rookie season which enabled him to break a rookie 3-point record and partake in all star festivities. And we must have thrown him under the bus again when the plan before the season was to let him handle the ball more and initiate the offense and after he showed he was incapable of doing this consistently we still played him 25 minutes per game even though his productivity and energy was nowhere near where it was a year before. And yes it seems we’re throwing him under the bus again now because we won’t ignore his contract that is paying him over 1 million dollars to play basketball for our team.

That probably was passive aggressive MPG. I’m sorry. You made a fair observation and the Darius Miles situation was definitely heavy handed on the part of this organization. I don’t think this is in the same vein but that’s my opinion. Most of all I’m just tired of this crap and am ready for some basketball.

by blazerfan97222 on Aug 18, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say it's passive agressive at all. These are totally fair observations.

Rudy Fernandez was greeted by hordes of loving fans, and welcomed to the NBA by these fans, and the fans supported him much, much longer than many others would have – to their credit. My post wasn’t intended as a criticism of Blazers fans, who (if anything) love their players too damn much.

I was talking about the organization, and more specifically, the organization’s reputation amongst players (both domestic and international). This organization has stockpiled a great deal of young talent, but with little thought to how they would find time to play them. It should hardly be a surprise, then, when those players are pained to see their prime years being wasted.

His best friend was discarded, he was stuck behind Roy, he was asked to play slow-down basketball, turning him into a 3-point gunner and minimizing his considerable talents. Now, apparently, he’s headed back to Spain, which sucks for fans everywhere. The game became less entertaining because your team would rather send him back to Europe than accept a first round pick or play him.

That. Stinks.

And in light of the KP and Darius Miles fiascoes, it stinks more.

  

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Aug 19, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy's a huge crybaby who just misses his mommy.

Let him go home, I don’t care anymore. I resent the fact that him and his agent are trying to make the Blazers organization look bad for not going back on their contract and releasing him.. If he had made a real effort to blend into the system and gave it his all, instead of this whiny, wussy attitude he’s had all along, then things might have worked. Tell me this, if we release him, why would anyone want to try to learn our system? If they didn’t like it, they could just decide they want us to let them go and push their way out of here. Rudy and his ignorant agent are trying to blackball the wrong organization, they should be exposed as frauds.

by Justjoshin on Aug 18, 2010 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

How is this an effective maneuver ?

And this is with the help of a professional agent ??
I’m getting a bit fed up with these parasitic agents jacking things up.
I don’t doubt Rudy is frustrated, his thinking emotionally colored, so, that is where your AGENT helps you with an objective action plan. Gee, threaten PA and Cho, that’s the plan?
How about tuning up to come in red hot so your trade value goes through the roof, Rudy ? And KEEP YO’ MOUTH SHUT, if you can’t say something constructive. Get a clue, get control. These playing years are severely limited, use them well, not sulking. The Blazers will survive, your career will take the hit with this plan.

"You be realistic," Oden said. "I’m going to stay happy. All right?"

by Berkeley on Aug 18, 2010 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Cho's handling it perfectly.

Only gonna’ trade him if we get something out of it, if he doesn’t wanna play, fine, we won’t pay him.

Rudy’s really disappointing me and I want to throw his agent out of a moving car.

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by rise_stand_resist on Aug 18, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I won't judge Rudy for his actions

He wants to play. That’s all. For various reasons he’s not getting the playing time he wants.
He’s willing to put his money where his mouth is and walk away from the NBA for a chance to play in a league that fits better, and is closer to home. Good for him!
The NBA is a business and the team wouldn’t think twice about trading him for the right deal – even if we knew that team might cut him. So what’s wrong with him playing tough to protect his own interests – which apparently do not include warming the bench?

I’m not as enamored with Rudy’s game as I once was, but he’s a Blazer and I’m a fan, and I’m entitled to cheer for him in good times and bad. Will this decision hurt the team? Probably, but right now I respect him a little bit more for refusing to be a pawn for some geeky billionaire.

Stick it to the man Rudy! Power to the people!!

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

So what’s wrong with him playing tough to protect his own interests

The Man will honor the contract he signed, Rudy won’t.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Honoring" contracts? Really?

If I was on the board of directors for a company, and that company was in a contract that did not serve the companies bests interests, I would EXPECT said company to break their contract if it the cost of breaking the contract was worth it. Period. It happens every single day. The company has a duty to it’s shareholders to break the contract if is not in the company’s best interest.

When Rudy takes the money and refuses to play, THEN he’s not honoring the contract. If you had a contract to work for somebody and grew to hate them, nobody would hold it against you when you quit. So long as you read the fine print.

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

You couldn't be more wrong.

I do contract work and I finish my obligations under contracts even if it turns out not to be as lucrative as expected, or the work is more difficult than I expected. If I simply bailed out of contracts without completing the job, I wouldn’t get new contracts nor top dollar for my work. That’s why people ask for references and want to see a record of completing jobs before hiring contractors.

They same goes in corporations. I didn’t hire contractors or make contracts with other companies unless they had a solid track record of delivering on their commitments. That’s a fundamental part of due diligence.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm exactly right.

You’re only completing your contracts because you want to get paid. If you don’t want to get paid, you can quit.
People retire all the time.
IANAL but again, you’re assigning some moral obligation to business decisions that doesn’t exist in the law.

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are obviously not in business and have never been a contractor.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why? Because I have some reasonable understanding of business and the law?

If Rudy wants to walk, he can do so, as long as he’s willing to accept the consequences.

If I decide AT&T is the devil after I bought that iPhone on plan, I can take my lumps (early termination fee) and walk.

Maybe we’re arguing apples and oranges because I just don’t see how I could be wrong here.

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, because you have no concept of business ethics or why that's critical to business success.

Business isn’t a series a short term decisions to maximize profits at the expense of your partners (a contract is a partnership). You don’t screw someone just because you can get away with it and make a short term gain. I’ve lost money on contracts only to make much, much more money from an unrelated contract from the same company because they knew I would always deliver what I promised.

Rudy may no longer care, but there are NBA teams that wouldn’t trade for him today, that would have traded for him yesterday. As Cho said, he did himself no favors today. There are probably also some European teams that won’t offer him as much money in two years as they would have if not for his threats today. One’s ethics and reputation means a lot in business, especially when you are independent contractor like Rudy.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm a contractor as well - but I think you are wrong in this case

Rudy has a choice not to complete the contract – and the system supports this with appropriate penalties for his trade (professional basketball)….

His penalties are forfeiture of his pay and playing time for the duration of the contract.

The ethics of his action are completely mitigated by the fact that his services are not actually needed by the Blazers. He would be a better 12th man at a more reasonable cost than a lot of other options – but considering his function on this particular squad – I can’t really begrudge him the option of sitting out because it really doesn’t hurt the Blazers (they save his salary – he actually helps them other than one non-active roster spot being eaten up).

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 18, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Rudy is fungible in his professional field. He is a 2 guard with a nice shot, moves well, no handle, and no defense. He can be replaced. He can break the contract and suffer the consequences, but those consequences will extend beyond the 2 years/money that is the most he can lose under its terms. The amount of things you can get away with in business is directly related to how essential you are. Rudy can be a nice complementary piece, but he’s not worth this much grief.

James, Wade, and Bosh = the Nazgul. Once they were great kings, until their greed got the best of them in their lust for the ring.

by blazeraddict on Aug 18, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

not sure that is really a disagreement

most of the negative consequences are on Rudy’s side. So long as his actions do not hurt the Blazers, then it isn’t unethical.

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 18, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

roster spot - yes; rest - no

If he doesn’t report – he doesn’t get paid. Still counts against the salary cap – but that is largely meaningless due to his small salary.

As far as potential trade offers go – the updated rumors are that first round picks or talent are available – but Cho is in no hurry to take the best first offer. If anything – Rudy’s value will only go with Cho not settling for less than he thinks is value.

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 19, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, Paul Allen has to pay Rudy's full salary to the NBA even after they suspend him.

Rudy doesn’t get the money, but Paul Allen loses the money, and the roster spot. Fortunately, Rudy’s salary will go to NBA/Players Association charities.

There’s no assets available in trade for Rudy as long as he refuses to play anywhere in the NBA, which is what his agent told Portland yesterday. Hence, the Blazers have now lost the ability to trade him for assets.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 20, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Blazers still have to pay his salary (it just doesn't go to him) if he refuses to perform his obligations

under the contract he signed. They also (as you mention) lose a roster spot.

Therefore the Blazers lose the money and roster spot and receive nothing in return because Rudy decides he doesn’t like the job he contracted to do anymore. There is nothing in that contract that guarantees playing time or playing position or anything else that Rudy cites as the reason he refuses to complete the contract. There’s also no buyout or termination clause in the contract. The purpose of a termination clause is to make the other party whole if one party wants to terminate the contract. If there was a termination clause, then it would be fine for Rudy to exercise such a clause in his contract. But there isn’t.

There is no question that Rudy will be violating the contact if he doesn’t show up for work. There is no question that he will be refusing to honor the contract. The team has the right under the CBA to suspend him for violating the contract and he doesn’t get paid. That is a penalty for violating the terms of the contract, it is not a termination clause of the contract, and that is the key point of this argument.

It is bad business ethics to enter into a contract then violate the terms of the contract when the other side has performed their obligations under the contract. It’s really is that simple. Just because you are willing to suffer the legal consequences for violating the contract doesn’t repay the other party for the loss they suffered when you refuse to fulfill the contract.
 

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because you are willing to suffer the legal consequences for violating the contract doesn’t repay the other party for the loss they suffered when you refuse to fulfill the contract.

Then write a better contract. That’s why we have lawyers. Stuff happens, contracts are terminated, remedies are paid, end of story. Business is business. PA isn’t above a little cheating if he can get a way with it… just ask Darius.

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't write a better contract

It’s standard, negotiated with the players.

BFS1970 is simply correct on this one. You can’t say “write a better contract.” The contract that was signed is what applies.

You are really arguing two points, IMO. You are arguing from a legal perspective, he is arguing from an ethical perspective.

The contract makes no provision for making the Blazers whole in this case. That means his actions are harming them, and the harm he also takes in no way compensates them for that harm. So when he breaks his word, he is behaving unethically.

His actions may be legal, they obviously are. He can do it, there is provision and penalty for it in the contract.

Not everything that is legal is ethical. If you break your word without making the other party whole, that is unethical. End of story.

We have players who play defense now, look out!

by jscot on Aug 19, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

nothing is ever that simple

you cannot argue that Rudy will be made whole by reporting. He knows he doesn’t have any minutes available on this team and would rather play in Europe than rot on the bench.

Can’t begrudge him wanting out. He signed a contract to play – and won’t. His methods are silly.

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 19, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ethics of his action are completely mitigated by the fact that his services are not actually needed by the Blazers

That’s not true either. Under the contract the Blazers have the right to trade him to another NBA team in exchange for valuable assets (draft picks, players, money). He could even be the final cog in a blockbuster trade. But he now says he will refuse to report to any other NBA team if traded, therefore no trade can be accomplished and the Blazers have lost the option of obtaining those valuable assets.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Precisely

One year ago he held the rookie record for 3s. He was a valued asset. His play this year diminished that value. But if he came back healthy, and kept his mouth shut, he would have had significant value either as a player or a trade asset. It is the running of his mouth and/or his agent’s mouth that has diminished his value. He shouldn’t have done it.

We have players who play defense now, look out!

by jscot on Aug 19, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right. His 3-pt percentage only dropped from 40% to 37%.

Other teams would have even discounted part of that since he was hurting early in the year and then had to recover from surgery. It was his mouth and pouting (“quitting” on the court) that killed his trade value a lot more than his shooting.

Matty Walker: You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man. - Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 19, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

look at it this way

there are 48 mpg in a typical game (overtime notwithstanding) x 5 positions on the floor.

Rudy is effectively a one position player (I just don’t see him as the 3 with Miller/Bayless or as the 2 with Roy at the 3 and Bayless or Miller at point).

That means Rudy is competing for about 15 mpg with Mathews primarily and Bayless secondarily (at least) plus whatever garbage time Elliot picks up at the 2.

Considering Mathews could get about 15 mpg at the 3, and at least 10 mpg at the 2, that leaves Rudy competing with two other players for 5 mpg off the bench.

Sorry – if the Blazers had a spot for him they wouldn’t have signed Mathews to take his minutes.

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 19, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy with the ad hominems...

NBA Players live in a different world. They are a scarce commodity and have bargaining power that we can’t imagine. If “it’s just business” is good for owners, it SHOULD be good for players too. Again, contracts are tort law… there are no punitive damages for breach of contract. PA knows this, and so does Rudy.

If Chris Paul wanted to play hardball to come play for the Blazers, I expect he would be widely supported here at Blazers Edge. For an owner, it’s a business, for a player, it’s a life. My own moral code instructs me to judge not.

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It really wasn't meant to be an insult. I apologize that it probably read that way.

You asked why I believed that you had no business or contracting experience. It’s because what you suggested is not consistent with business ethics, as I was taught business ethics. I worked for many years in a corporate environment and they spent a lot of money sending me to endless (it felt that way) classes (on a yearly basis) teaching me and other upper level management business ethics. There were also separate classes on business ethics and legal issues when dealing with government agencies (there are many more ethical issues to be concerned about when dealing with the government that can get your company in major trouble). Anyway, I had this stuff pounded into me over many years and I guess it finally stuck.

But we’ve gone way off track here. Probably mostly my fault.

I’ll bet we can agree on one thing. It’s really sad what happened to Rudy and the fans in this city that embraced him so enthusiastically. I was one of those fans. And I will miss him.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

ethics play both ways

if Rudy was enticed over with certain promises and those did not materialize – that must be accounted for in the ethics discussion.

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 19, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty sure this is how Rudy sees it.

The Blazers broke their promises to him, and therefore are not worth treating with honor. So he is only treating them like he was treated.

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by staylost on Aug 19, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it is impossible to find a fair trade, let his European suitor buy him out

Since we are in luxury tax country, his $1.25M salary really costs the Blazers $2.5M. A buy out lowers the amount Mr. Allen will owe in luxury tax, and does return some compensation from the buyout. It also opens up the 15th roster spot, so if Mr Allen is willing to pay perhaps will let us add someone like Patty Mills or even Louis Amundson. We’re all angry with Rudy, but it is still ultimately a business.

by jaywalker on Aug 18, 2010 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Could happen, but I don't see Paul Allen being successfully threatened by Rudy.

I think Paul’s more of a “let him rot” guy.

If Rudy doesn’t play, he doesn’t get paid. He gets suspended and the money goes to NBA and Players Association charities. It’s a small percentage of what Paul gives every year to charity, so I doubt Paul is going to be staying awake at night worrying about the money or Rudy.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have to respectfully disagree

We can be as angry as we want at Rudy, but we shouldn’t let our own righteous indignation interfere with using the team’s resources the best we know how. The goal is to get something of value for him, including the freedom to use his roster spot for someone who does want to be here. If that comes from a European instead of NBA club, so be it.

by jaywalker on Aug 19, 2010 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

Stephen Curry broke the record this year anyway.

by samuelleejackson on Aug 18, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

well this totally makes me want to physically abuse my #5 Blazers jersey.. Rudy, you’re proving yourself to be not the type of player we want on our team… dude needs to man up and be a professional.

by pappasan.duck on Aug 18, 2010 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

He is manning up.

And walking away. Somehow it’s only morally wrong for the player to walk away – but if an owner wants to trade you to the Clips for a second round pick and cash… that’s totally okay. Screw that. It’s Rudy’s life and Rudy’s choice.

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If there was something in his contract that would let him decide for himself on where to play, that'd be fine by me

but as far as I know, it says he’s tied to Portland unless the owner chooses otherwise.

Of couse I realize everything I say here means nothing.
In K.P. I STILL trust.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.

by llamaiguana on Aug 18, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't get to pick where in the NBA he plays

It’s Portland’s way or the highway, but he does has leverage if his services are in demand.

by levelhed on Aug 18, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he didn't want to play in Portland

He neer should hae signed a contract. He’d make more and be less homesick playing for Joentut anyway right?

by momomoses7 on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is under contract… I’m not saying the system or the CBA is perfect. But he isn’t a free agent right now is he? No… he’s under contract.. under which as a professional he should be fulfilling his terms of….

by pappasan.duck on Aug 18, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy's jersey was a huge seller. Probably 2nd to Roy i'd say.

Of couse I realize everything I say here means nothing.
In K.P. I STILL trust.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.

by llamaiguana on Aug 18, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, i’m one of those that erroneously bought a Rudy jersey.

by pappasan.duck on Aug 18, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go Cho!

Don’t put up with that “junk”
 (vocabulary changed to adhere to terms of the “rules”)

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by BoogiewithStu on Aug 18, 2010 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish Spanish players were as cool as Spanish fans.

by Junk Drawer Bandit on Aug 18, 2010 9:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Too many sour grapes in here

I’m not saying Rudy is acting professionally, and I don’t condone the statements of his agent.

That said, I loved watching Rudy suit up for the Blazers for the last couple years. He’s in the PDX media fishbowl here. Rudy was a non-integral sparkplug for us. Sometimes he was effective, sometimes he wasn’t. Moments like the Spanish connection and his 5-points-in-3-seconds were a ton of fun, and I’ll be sorry to see him suit up for someone else, either in the NBA or elsewhere. I’ll also be sad if we lose some of our Spanish friends here on BE once there are fewer international players here.

Good luck Rudy, I hope you end up somewhere you can thrive. Thanks for the memories.

by samuelleejackson on Aug 18, 2010 9:44 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Nicely said.

In the end, I wish him well. I’m just not happy with how he’s playing things out right now and wonder if he’s shooting himself in the foot. This may be really hard to bounce back from, professionally and psychologically. But I will miss Rookie Rudy and all of his promise.

by Corvid on Aug 18, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy's driven by emotion. That's fantastic when he you're on his good side.

If you something happens to get you on his bad side. He’ll chainsaw the house in half, put “his” half on a flatbed, fishtail through the azaleas, run over the dog as he’s leaving.

Keep Portland Weird.

by Broy_07 on Aug 18, 2010 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

He is actually just another skinny guy with a jump shot and not much else

It must piss him off that Bayless and Nic have far more “value” than an proven international star like Rudy himself

by southern oregon on Aug 18, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wheels at Work or BFT intimated that the current offers are 2nd round picks or talent

which is why Cho hasn’t pulled the trigger on a trade. He is holding out for first round return.

Can’t remember which program it was (only caught snippets of 95.5 while driving) – but that was the information handed out.

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by blacknoiseNW on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

These comments are really disappointing.

I sympathize with Rudy on the reasons he is unhappy, but this is taking it too far. I want him to get what he wants as far as a trade, but he continues to complicate the situation with these types of interviews.

Might be time for a new screen name.

by RudiFTW on Aug 18, 2010 10:33 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Whatever happened to integrity?

I’m totally ticked, and I blame his agent as much as I blame Rudy.

I believe a contract is a contract and he should fulfill it. He makes an insane amount of money (albeit cheap as far as NBA salaries go) to play a game.

This, during a time when many Oregonians can’t even find enough money to pay for the next electricity bill.

My personal impression of Rudy has plummeted through the floor in less than 24 hours.

by BlazerNation on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's ask ourselves if this is the type

of guy we can see playing a key role in a championship run. Yeah, I definitely didn’t think so.

I want people like Oden, who has been run over by a truck for two years in a row, and is dying to get back and contribute to wins, and guys like Roy, who will spend every single second of the day thinking of how to get wins. Where is Rudy even mentioning the success or well-being of the team in his ongoing bit*ch-fest? Nowhere. It’s all me me me, I, I, I, etc.

Honestly, he’s displaying the fortitude and maturity of a 13-year old.

I was all for giving him a shot when he got here, believing he had room to grow, believing he could build on his fantastic athleticism and shooting skill-set, and all that. But he did nothing but prove that he’s a below average basketball player, who can’t beat a center off the dribble, can’t penetrate unless he’s slashing and catching guys REALLY off guard, and plays defense like a matador.

Hasta luego.

by lyleleander on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 PM PDT reply actions  

we still need someone to wipe the sweat of effort off the floor.

Since Rudy seems unable to provide any effort, maybe he can pick some up of the court… with a mop.

Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.

by pdxborn on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a sad situation, but

I LOVE Cho’s reaction, or rather his lack of one. Rudy has no leverage here, I’m baffled his agent thinks this is a good move.

by JK47 on Aug 18, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Dear Rudy,

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

by torsoheap on Aug 19, 2010 6:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Lost in all this is the fact that Rudy is a very mediocre basketball player and not worth the buzz

If Spain wants to overpay him and pretend like he’s a superstar after his NBA contract is up, let them.

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Aug 19, 2010 7:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I need to vent

Hey Rudy, I lived overseas for 3 years, was homesick and the job was a HELLUVA lot harder than playing basketball. I got paid like 1/100th of what you got paid, and my boss was a freakin’ idiot (worse than yours, trust me). I wanted to leave after about 3 weeks, but I STUCK IT OUT AND FULFILLED MY CONTRACT. It’s what responsible adults do. Get off my team.

Wanted: A MEANER Blazer attitude! Knock somebody down and step on him!

by CaptHustle on Aug 19, 2010 8:04 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'd drink to that...

But I don’t expect that many other people are as tough as that.

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by staylost on Aug 19, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am trying to think why an agent would do this...

Rudy and his agent have zero, no ZERO, leverage. Rudy’s salary is hardly worth buying out or saving. From a basketball standpoint, the Blazers really don’t need him and there wouldn’t be minutes for him anyways. Rudy is NOT playing in Europe next year. No chance. The Blazers could easily suspend him and Paul Allen has already said as much. The Blazers have a lot to lose in terms of future negoitations if they give in to this.

So, Rudy’s agent is grasping at straws. He needs Rudy traded to another NBA team.

The Blazers didn’t pull the trigger on the first trade offers. Now, Rudy’s trade value goes down.

Perhaps Miller hopes that the Blazers will now grab the first offer that comes along, or he will drive Rudy’s value even lower.

In other words, Miller’s strategy is “Every time you reject an offer, I make it worse for you, even if it’s also worse for me.”

Maybe not a good strategy, but Miller has very little to work with at this point.

by Pooh Richardson on Aug 19, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Posted 37 minutes on Rudy5.net...

" And today, besides practice, cordial conversation with my coach Nate McMillan."

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Aug 19, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

*37 minutes ago

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Aug 19, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bad relationship of coaching to team management

If you wanted to trade Fernandez than you should make a public commitment to playing him to increase his value. If Nate balks then Cho has to convince MacMillan that the only way to make the team better is to play him.

If you don’t play Fernandez your telling everyone that when it comes to crunch time your player evaluation methods are worthless.

Perhaps this is where the problems in the front office originated— the GM suggesting that if you don’t play player’s you’re devaluing them and the coach not trying to help the front office.

by 7677maniac on Aug 19, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

RUDY TWEET
And today, besides practice, cordial conversation with my coach Nate McMillan.

-rudy5fernandez

by anen87 on Aug 19, 2010 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

The walking back from yesterday's comments begins.

If Vegas is laying odds that Rudy will start the season as an active Portland Trailblazer, I’m taking the bet.

Keep in mind (in response to an earlier comment): he has taken NO action. At this point, it’s all talk. If he changes his mind, or never really made up his mind despite his agent’s comments, all will be forgiven and forgotten.

Talk != action. Talk <> action. You get the drift.

by chnews on Aug 19, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be willing to bet that Rudy will

a) Fire his agent
b) Issue a statement blaming mis-communication between his agent and Rudy, throwing a few lines about foreign language in there for good measure
c) Report to Blazers training camp on time
d) Hold a press conference asking fans to please forgive him and give him a second chance (which of course we will do)
e) Go on to have an excellent first half of the year playing for Portland
f) Get traded at the deadline to the hapless Knicks for a 2013 1st round pick…

by Visionary2 on Aug 19, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Put pretty boy on the end of the bench.

I’ve decided I’m willing to forego my oven mitts… No getting blackmailed into a bad trade by whiney Iberians and their agents!

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

My favorite quote from Quick's full article:
However, Miller is asking Cho to release Fernandez in a goodwill effort that Miller says will also go a long way to show international players that the Blazers can be reasonable.

I hope Cho told him “BTW, we’re interested in re-signing your client, Andre Miller, for the 2011-12 season after cutting him once the 2010-11 season ends. We would appreciate a goodwill effort by you in suggesting that he sign for a minimum contract amount. This would go a long way to show all the other NBA franchises that you can be reasonable in making contract demands for your clients.”

by Storyteller on Aug 19, 2010 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

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