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I know this has been touched on, but I want to re-visit an old topic...that is of putting Brandon at point guard. I haven't liked that idea until the addition of Matthews. Here's why.

Brandon could start at point. He works best when he has the ball in his hands. Matthews could start at shooting guard. He works well off the ball. What about defense? We all know Roy isn't going to keep up with the Parkers or Pauls of the world. But he wouldn't have to. Simply have Matthews defend the point and Roy the shooting guard. True, Matthews isn't as quick as some of those guys either, but he IS fundamentally sound on defense and should be able to do a pretty good job, especially with a little help from time to time. And the matchup problems it would impose on the other team would more than offset any liabilities. 

So you would have:

PG - Brandon Roy
SG - Wesley Matthews
SF - Nicolas Batum
PF - Lamarcus Aldridge
C - Greg Oden (possibly Marcus Canby)

Bench - Miller, Canby, Przy, Cunningham (or Pendergraph) and Bayless/Fernandez (depending on what shakes out) -- I still say one trade is going to narrow this down though. It's just too much.

That's a solid rotation and guys are playing more of their natural position. You could sub Miller or Bayless in for either Roy or Matthews. If for Matthews, Roy would slide back to the 2. Canby could back up Aldridge or Oden. 

Defensively you would be - solid. With Roy, Matthews and Batum on the perimeter, Oden and Przy are much less likely to get into foul trouble. Sub in Miller and Przy/Canby at the same time and save Oden from picking up those ticky tack fouls he is prone to get against slashing guards. On paper it seems to make a lot of sense to me. Of course, it is still very possible that we see 2 or more of these guys involved in a trade...but I'm looking at what we have right now.

What do you think? Honestly, I'd like to know, whether or not you agree with me.

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Nice lineup indeed!

Can you say Roy/Matthews pick and roll? Roy is good at setting the offense and when he is at the number 2 he can work on moving without the ball being a cutter for the sweet pass from Matthews. Ooh yeah!

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by The_Natural on Aug 16, 2010 9:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Match-up City...

One of the best aspects about this KP-inspired Roster is that there is a lot of Size-Match-Up Flexibility. Portland has so much length, and being able to put a 6’5" scorer at the lead guard position further enhances this advantage. The Blazers biggest obstacle is going to be scoring again. It would be nice to see constant scoring double figures from both Oden & Canby, plus Aldridge’s 18 points he should be good, and Roy leading the way, there is still a lot of scoring to be accounted for from the mid-range and perimiter.

Bayless, Miller and Roy are penetrators with the ball and get to the line, both Roy and Bayless would do the team well by improving their success rate from 3-point range, and the number of attempts from deep they have. Other than those three, Portland will have wings Nic Batum, Wesley Matthews, Dante Cunningham and rookie Luke Babbit for either mid-range or deep shooting. Guard Rudy Fernandez has shown a knack to hit from deep but was a head case last season and I vote for his Negative-Mojo to be jettisoned elsewhere. Then the sleepers to aid in scoring could be rookie guards Elliot Williams or Armon Johnson? Doubt it, but they are nice players and could really find roles if they can do what is needed… which is filling the bucket up.

Gone are reliable scorers from previous seasons, Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake, and Martell Webster, amongst others, so where is that scoring boost going to come from, who is going to make fan-memories with clutch 3-pointers this season? I hope we find a few hero’s. Both Jerryd Bayless and Dante Cunningham are the two that I feel will contribute greatly and solidfy their roles with this roster. Roy at point is great, and knowing that we could start Roy or Bayless at PG gives me the confidence to move last season’s MVP Andre Miller at anytime.

by Portland Dynasty on Aug 17, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it could work for brief stretches.

But not as our main lineup. And especially not as a 4th quarter lineup, when defensive pressure on the ball handler rises. Roy is good at it, but not like a regular PG like Miller, or even, to a lesser extent, Bayless. We’d be pretty good on defense, as long as we can keep opposing PG’s under control. And despite the use of Batum on them in the past, that really shouldn’t be our best option. Miller’s a smart defender and does a good job out there. Of course, it always could be better, but I think this lineup, long term makes it a little worse.

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by T Darkstar on Aug 16, 2010 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Brandon has made it clear that he is NOT interested.

Plus, you can’t move Andre to the bench. He’ll poison the team; bank on it.
Andre’s the starting PG.

by damonrayhymer on Aug 16, 2010 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

He also suggested he was working on his off-ball play.

So we can say Roy is openminded at least ;)

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by austinpwnz on Aug 17, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy is not a PG

Also Canby= a tonw in oregon. Camby= Marcus CaMby. For the record

by blazerbeliever97504 on Aug 16, 2010 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, my bad

Just blame it on a brain fart…

by BlazerNation on Aug 16, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

eat less brain beans.

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by ratbastird on Aug 17, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

Roy can easily play the position. SG is his natural position, but you can’t say he isn’t a point guard. In fact, he often switches to PG, and Andre switches to SG.

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by koyote on Aug 17, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can say it

He’s not a point guard and he doesn’t seem to want to do that work at either end of the floor.

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by 22baylor on Aug 17, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we're getting picky...

Canby is a town in Oregon, not a tonw
Juz sayin’

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by venjance on Aug 17, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree it could work in stretches.

Also you could do Roy at the point and Bayless off the ball instead of Mathews. One problem though could be fast break defense. When you switch assignments you always risk giving up easy baskets.

by Escrote on Aug 16, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

In stretches, I like the idea of being able to play a lineup without Miller or Bayless. The defensive end is covered because Batum (or Matthews) can effectively guard the other team’s PG. The offense can run through Brandon – or I’ve even heard the Blazer crew talk about how Batum should be learning to take on some of this role, ala Pippin. Either way, I like it in stretches.

I would still like to see the starting lineup include a natural PG (Hinrich), and then move into this type of lineup as you start to bring in the second team.

by ATeam on Aug 17, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even though he is ball dominate

There is a reason Roy has said his natural position is the 2. He doesn’t have the motor to play PG all game long. I have thought about this roster for clutch situations where you need to defend and hit key shots. Not for an entire game though.

by Sir.Ludo on Aug 16, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Because before last year

he never played with a good PG. The first time a “true” point gaurd shared the court with him, they didnt have chemistry (this was because Roy was so used to always getting the ball in the half court). I think you will see Roy do more things off the ball this year. I’m not saying he will be a sniper like Reggie Miller or Ray Allen, but I think he will get some more open mid range J’s this year.

by bad karma on Aug 16, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

you could ask the same question about K*be and D-Wade

they, like Brandon, are SGs who will take the ball up top and break their defenders down then score or pass depending on how the defense reacts. (Drexler was the same way)

this does not make them PGs. There is more to the PG job than ISO, penetrate, draw and kick

BTW, Batum would defend the PG in your scenario, Matthews defends most SFs very well. The Roy-Matthews-Batum lineup would work defensively, I just don’t expect a steady diet of it. Miller and Bayless will play the lionshare of the PG minutes

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by two4larue on Aug 16, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

To bring up a point you made previously .....

Who plays the point on offense is different than who is guarding the other team’s PG. Because both Batum and Matthews can guard the point position, Brandon can still guard the SG on the defensive end, but the offense can run through him on the offensive end. Doesn’t make him the PG on the team.

by ATeam on Aug 17, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t defend like a point guard, that’s for sure. He’s a decent defender against 2-guards but he’s not going to guard 90 percent of the point guards in the NBA.

Plus, he’s not interested in doing the heavy lifting of a point guard on the offensive end, either. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Aug 17, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

why did pippen?

"We get to hit arms! Cool!"

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by ratbastird on Aug 17, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t like it at all. Roy struggles with his dribble against pressure and I see no reason to try to find ways to get Matthews into the lineup over a superior player in Miller.

by jksnake99 on Aug 16, 2010 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

in this scenario Matthews would hypothetically eat into Bayless' minutes

Wesley and Jerryd will be in direct competition for PT, from day 1 of training camp. Nice problem to have. It will be interesting to see how the pair coexists on the offensive end as a reserve backcourt. They both like to get out and run, but the halfcourt offense could be problematic.

Bayless was effective versus Phoenix when he penetrated and found Webster for spot up jumpers, perhaps Matthews can be the recipient of these kick-out passes?

In close games against playoff-caliber opponents I hope Nate staggers to rotation to keep either Roy or Miller on the floor as much as possible

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by two4larue on Aug 16, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jerryd shoveled the ball to an open big near the basket a few times last year, when he was on the drive

He even tossed up a successful alley-opp that I can remember. So the vision is there, he just needs to build on it

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by two4larue on Aug 17, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hoopdata.com is the only site with assist location data...

and they don’t have playoff stats. Darn. I really wanted a chance to confirm or deny this. Anyway, it’s apparent his distribution of assists is more towards jumpshots (compared to Andre).

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 17, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

no doubt, that's an easier pass to make

but I’ve seen him drive and dish to a big for a lay-in at least twice. That doesn’t make him a stud at doing this, but at least he doesn’t have his eyes locked on the rim

FWIW, I haven’t really seen Roy do this, much. When Brandon drives he’s either going to shoot it or kick the ball to the corner for a 3

I really hope that Jerryd has been working on a pull-up floater from 5-7 feet away this offseason. If he could perfect that shot, he would be deadly

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by two4larue on Aug 17, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of them will have to play SF

And his name rhymes with “path yews” (yew trees along a path)

by Corvallis, OR on Aug 17, 2010 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorta works in theory,

but if BRoy is guarding the opposing 2, he’s in for a LOT of long nights on D—many teams’ top scorers are at the 2, after all.

I doubt it’s a good team game plan to have Roy on the superstar 2s of the league AND being the sole ball-handler on offense. And I like Mathews, but he doesn’t have anywhere NEAR the handle to run the point, even in a pinch.

This plan will wear Brandon out before game 30.

by Marvin100 on Aug 16, 2010 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Now he alternates with Miller and sometimes Nic. The system protects Brandon on D.

But even when he DOES have to guard a high-scoring stud, at least he isn’t the sole ball-handler on offense. Doing both is just too much to ask, especially of a guy with a history of knee problems.

by Marvin100 on Aug 17, 2010 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I posted on this topic awhile back and got some interesting responses

which can be found here:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/7/19/1577533/assume-brandon-roy-is-the-pgotf

The conclusion I came to is that there are a lot of reasons to like this lineup, and I think we will definitely see it during the season, but that it is unnecessary for it to be the starting 5.

For one I think the rotations for a full 48 minute game work much better if Bayless can come off the bench for Miller/Roy and Matthews for Roy/Batum. This way you don’t have Bayless and Miller on the bench together, which would create a guard-heavy second unit and a wing-heavy starting 5. I think this is the main reason you would never see this lineup from the get go.

Second I think that asking Brandon to have PG duties some of the time that he’s on the court (parts of the 4th quarter for example) is a lot different than all or most of the time, which would be the case if he started as PG.

Defensively I think it makes a ton of sense because Batum can guard many PGs, even some of the elites (and as you pointed out Matthews can usually guard two or three positions depending on the personnel out there as well). This versatility would allow BRoy to guard literally whoever would allow him to conserve the most energy for the offensive end, where Nic and Wes could flank him on the perimeter and knock down kickouts created by his penetration.

It’s a long, skilled, defensively intimidating lineup with range and a playmaker on the offensive end that could be paired with a number of our frontcourt combinations. I love that we have it up our sleeve to use situationally, but for now I think that RAMBO is the clear starting lineup to go with. It provides balance to the rotations, and while they may not be the best fit synergistically (yet), I think Miller’s ability to make good things happen of his own accord means Roy gets to save some juice for the stretch run when the other team is on full alert and we really need him to do his thing.

The Blazers are best when teams can’t zero in on one or two guys and completely neutralize them with a defensive gameplan (e.g. Andre and LMA in PHX series after game 1). This is when we’re hitting teams from all angles (disclaimer: generally requires some assemblance of health). One concern I have is that pairing Roy with Matthews and Nic for long periods of time, particularly early in ballgames, could lead to stagnation and a reliance on Brandon to make something happen every possession, which we see enough of as it is.

I am excited to see this lineup in action though, and I do think it will do a lot of good things for us (like keep the other team from scoring). I am very interested to see Wes play with the rest of our guys. He seems fairly adept at going strong to the hoop, and if he can be assertive with the dribble drive every once in awhile (and still knock down that 3 ball) he should be an excellent fit offensively next to Brandon, Nic, Andre, AND Jerryd (in other words we may have overpaid, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a great pickup).

His and Nic’s ability to create for themselves every so often to keep the defense honest, as well as their ability to help alleviate defensive pressure on Brandon as the primary ballhandler, would in large part determine in my mind how much you could use that lineup. Although, having a guy like LMA or GO out there who could score in the post as well as pass out to shooters would definitely help lubricate things.

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by sammymohawk on Aug 17, 2010 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

If Nic really could prove this ability to create for himself.

Then I’d believe more in the Brandon, Wesley, Nic triple punch.

by idoltime on Aug 17, 2010 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I believe that these three are better served with one bigger guy and one smaller guy (say, Oden and Miller) on the court with them than two bigger guys or two smaller ones.

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by 22baylor on Aug 17, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can see that.

I like big lineups a lot so I can see the draw of wanting something like this work. And I like the defensive flexibility that comes with having Nic and Wesley on the wings.

In fact, I kinda hope that Roy is the first one to go to the bench for Wesley so we can see how this exact same lineup would look with Miller at point.

by idoltime on Aug 17, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

No one in that lineup big enough to play PF.

Pick one of Oden, Camby, Aldridge, and then add one of Oden, Camby, Aldridge, Cunningham, Pendergraph, maaaaybe Babbitt.

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by austinpwnz on Aug 17, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

So last year, everyone wanted to move Roy to SF

so that we could get Rudy in the starting lineup. Now, everyone wants to move Roy to PG so we can get Wes in the starting lineup?

Hey, how about we play our best guy in his best natural position? How about that as an idea?

by howlingfantods on Aug 17, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

this^

the difference is that Roy would defend the SG (or the weakest offensive wing) even if Brandon’s playing “PG” on offense

when Rudy was in the game, Roy had to defend the SF. I think those physical matchups wore him down, and that’s why Brandon carried more pounds the last couple of years—to the detriment of his knee joints

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by two4larue on Aug 17, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 3-guard starting lineup (Blake Miller Roy) worked pretty well last year.

Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Williams, Duckworth. The greatest starting 5 ever.

by Bib Fortuna on Aug 18, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really...

That was only one of the reasons I suggested it. I think it causes all kinds of matchup problems for the other team. The biggest liability I see is who defends the PG?

by BlazerNation on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

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