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Don't Worry, Portland

Over the course of time I find a few e-mailbox questions repeated more than others.  Among the most echoed by Blazer fans and non-Blazer-fans alike is the simple, "Do you really think the Blazers will be that good?"  Well, that's how the non-Blazer-fan asks it anyway.  Blazer fans are more like, "Do you really think the Blazers will be that good? (Please say yes!  Please say yes!  I'm nervous!  What if we didn't make the right trade?  What if we didn't get the right draft pick?  What if KP really was the key?  What if Kobe Bryant never...gets...old?!?!?!?!????)"

Some level of angst is understandable after a season where the team won a couple fewer games than hoped, when Greg Oden was injured (again), when Brandon Roy was injured (again), when LaMarcus Aldridge didn't make huge strides, and when the draft was mostly a non-factor.  It's no surprise that national media folks aren't on the Blazer bandwagon anymore, nor that they're all over Oklahoma City's.  

Excursus:  The OKC thing shouldn't worry Blazer fans at all, by the way.  How many extra wins did the bandwagon produce over the last couple of seasons?  How many knees did it save?  How much does it matter to national media folks if they're even close to right anymore?  A season later they only bring up the predictions they got right.  Besides, somebody's got to be the eventual Western Conference Finals opponent for Portland.  If it's Oklahoma City, so much the better. 

Back to the Point:  Right now there are plenty of reasons for Blazer fans to be nervous.  Except Blazer fans don't really need to be.  It's highly likely that those reasons will evaporate once the season starts.

I don't claim to be perfect at what I do, nor in my predictive powers.  In fact I don't lean on the latter much, preferring analysis and talking about the game.  But I've been around long enough to know that when there's smoke it usually walks and quacks like a duck and not the elephant in a china shop.  I'm not always right, but I'm seldom flat-out wrong.  Lots of people like to call me wrong in a given two-week period, mind you, but when you look back two years later the balance has tipped the way it was supposed to, eh?  So hear me now and believe me later:  this team is going to be fine.  In fact this team is going to be more than fine.  If Greg Oden had been injury-free we'd still be anticipating multiple championship runs.  I'm not sure that will be the Blazers' fate...at least not so clearly.  But even with the bumps and bruises there's going to be a 3-4 year period at least where this team contends seriously in the conference and probably league-wide.  This team isn't going to be considered good.  It's going to be considered great.  Whether it's head-and-shoulders above the small handful of other great teams in its era will depend on the players.  We haven't seen enough yet from any of them to say for sure, nor from most of the potentially-great opponents.  But in this transitional time when the guard is clearly changing it's pretty easy to anticipate that nobody will forget Portland when the next order is established.  They'll be in top-four discussion yearly.  Hopefully that will evolve into top-two and just top-PERIOD as time progresses.

So don't sweat the small stuff.  Don't sweat the point guard situation this year or the schedule or what the Heat did.  Most of that will be yesterday's news when the pot gets to a full boil around here.  Worry a little about whether the Blazers will jump all over Phoenix in the opener, how quickly they'll adapt to the new roster, and how they'll deal with favored status if they do manage to get ahead.  Those will give you a glimpse into the short-term adjustments that need to be made (coaching, roster, and otherwise).  But also realize that the team's growth curve is both long and strong enough to absorb some short-term difficulties.  We haven't come close to seeing the Blazers' full fury yet...not for a month, a week, not even for a whole game.  When the storm is unleashed you won't even remember what you worried about prior.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)  

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I predict

92 wins

Umpqua: "Just follow the dead government proof link to find out."

by 92wastheyear on Aug 11, 2010 11:18 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I don't know if I can handle 6 regular season losses.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Aug 11, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

you misunderstand

I predict that I will win

Umpqua: "Just follow the dead government proof link to find out."

by 92wastheyear on Aug 12, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec

because – you just won.

GOP in HD

by 22baylor on Aug 12, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

How can you be so optimistic about the up-coming season with a PG that does not fit the team

and more important a PG WHO HAS NEVER MADE IT OUT OF THE 1ST ROUND…..EVER. With the trade of Collinson today to the Pacers that is another potential trade off the board and it pretty much guarantees CP3 will be there for the rest of his contract.

The Blazers need to make a trade to upgrade the PG position and if it takes Batum and Bayless+ expiring contracts……so what. Portland will not win wth Miller running this team!

Kenneth Lewis Moore

by lightskin350 on Aug 11, 2010 11:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Have any of our players made it out of the first round?

Not Roy. Not Aldridge. Not Batum. Not Oden.

I guess Matthews did last year. I think Camby my have. It’s not that big a worry to me, else I’d have a lot more than Miller to worry about.

Sure Miller isn’t the ideal fit on paper. But he’s a solid contributor out there. If something better is available, sure, go for it. But panicking everytime a point guard gets traded makes for a very emotional roller coaster with no worthwhile payoff. And Miller will be fine. Probably.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Aug 11, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you listen to Medina talk about Andre's workouts, this month

Miller will be better than fine

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Aug 12, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or injured quickly for breaking up his usual routine ;-)

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 12, 2010 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

What did Medina say?

Frankly, the fact that Andre’s working out at all is a great sign… doesn’t he pride himself on usually taking the summer off and not touching a basketball?

by baskickball on Aug 12, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bobby couldn't believe the change in Andre's attitude

and yes, it’s a surprise that Miller is participating in team-related workouts in early August. In previous summers I think he just played pickup ball in L*A during the (late) offseason

We’ll see how chipper he is on media day, and once the grind of training camp begins. I have a feeling he’s more adverse to seeing a microphone again than his coaches and teammates

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Aug 12, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Plus, the way Nate uses guards there is no reason for a PG upgrade. If Dre and BRoy was on opposite units, Dre would be a wonderful fit. I just wished Dre could understand that.

Maybe this year with all our players back, Dre could run the second unit. IMO although JBay is a score first guard, him and BRoy would fit good because he would surrender the ball to BRoy and can make the outside shot or drive to the basket, he is young and will improve on all accounts.

hg

by BBK on Aug 13, 2010 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Andre is the key to Oden getting easier baskets

and you won’t have to watch too much video from last Nov-Dec to reach this conclusion

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Aug 12, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Andre is going to <3 the Oden

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 12, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

This should be green

Ignoring Miller as the point guard is like ignoring a mole that is asymmetrical, with a border that is irregular and not perfectly round, the color is many different shades, and the diameter is larger than 1/4 of an inch.

by tominhawaii on Aug 12, 2010 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

i disagree with this comment

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez

by thomasikehara on Aug 12, 2010 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

you don't get out of the first round

until you do. And it’s a team sport, not an individual one.

You completely missed Dave’s point, which is “don’t sweat the small stuff”

by Billy Hoyle on Aug 12, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm...

You don’t want a point guard who has never made it out of the first round, you just want a different point guard who has never made it into the first round? I fail to comprehend your logic…

It sounds like you are in the “we have to win it now or it will never happen” camp. Have you tried the “let’s wait and see what happens, we still have time” camp? I really think we’re happier over here.

by ictoagsn on Aug 12, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is true

Besides, you cannot put the wt of the whole season on any one player. Quarterbacks get lots of publicity, but if they didn’t have good receivers to catch the ball and linemen to give him room to operate then then they would end up like Don Fouts.

hg

by BBK on Aug 13, 2010 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

CP3 only took his team to one play-off year

Are you going to say he is no good because he can’t get his team to the play-offs? Your logic escapes me.

hg

by BBK on Aug 13, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hornets with CP3 went to playoffs twice, in back-to-back years in fact

NOH almost beat the Spurs to advanc to the WCF the first year and then got killed the next year by the Nuggets in the first round. Lost 121-63 in Game 3 against the Nuggets, it was really bad.

by Chris M 81 on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

love it

thanks dave.

The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

by cavejunctionblazer on Aug 11, 2010 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Miller helped this team....

win 50 games with a depleted roster last year, dont count him out. Of course we would love/need to find an upgrade at pg but if this team stays healthy or has a normal amount of missed games from key players i could see a 55 win team, no problem. Id love to see the thunder in the second round of the playoffs. We have more experience and deep in every position. Now, lets cross our fingers for good health. Rip City!

by STROBES on Aug 11, 2010 11:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I smiled when I saw a new Dave post.

The smile kept widening and widening as I read on. It was a full-on, goofy-looking grin by the time I finished this passage:

But in this transitional time when the guard is clearly changing it’s pretty easy to anticipate that nobody will forget Portland when the next order is established. They’ll be in top-four discussion yearly. Hopefully that will evolve into top-two and just top-PERIOD as time progresses.

Now I’m all psyched up. I can’t wait for that day to come!!!!!

by tblazers on Aug 11, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Predictions are fun and all

And angst is part of fan law. But isn’t it better not to know?

That is why we watch the games and all. If it’s a group or season with some unproven question marks, that makes it all the more interesting.

That said, as far as this quote goes:

We haven’t come close to seeing the Blazers’ full fury yet…

I do wish for a season where “Full Fury!” replaces Rise With Us as the goofy corporate slogan.

Perhaps with a picture Greg Oden flashing yet unseen “crazy eyes” like a cross between Mel Gibson and Charles Bronson. That would just be fun either way.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Aug 11, 2010 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

and brandon roy with a dean howard scream

Jeff Pendergraph:
FGM - 3
FGA - 111
Min - 30
Reb - 10

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 12, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

And Bayless with a …. aw heck, he can just have “the Bayless face.” The guy was pretty much born with Full Fury™.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Aug 12, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is one main page post

that deserves a rec from everyone on BEdge.

If Luke Babbitt and Jerryd Bayless played a game of table tennis I'm not sure who would win but the ping pong ball would lose no matter what. - Ben 7/16/2010

by jamon51 on Aug 11, 2010 11:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff, Dave

Thanks.

I’m not sweating things this season. I don’t expect a run to the Western Conference Finals, not at all. I’m patiently waiting for Nate to get replaced in a year or two. Roy will be in his prime, LA might have made some progress, Nic will be great, maybe Greg, too (fingers crossed). So let’s see where this has led in 4 years.

by travis13 on Aug 11, 2010 11:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Who will be the next coach?

If you’re going to fire someone, tell me who you’re going to replace him with.

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 12, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know right!

take the Chicago game and add 30 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks from camby.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Aug 12, 2010 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Best Post I've ever read!

It brings me back to the early 90’s teams and reminds me how fun it is to be a blazer fan!
To be a blazer fan means enjoying the journey and going with it.
Let it ride and enjoy the ride my friends.
Great Post Dave!
Your fandom is just so happy making.

3rd down... chainsaw noise please.

by GoBlaze22 on Aug 12, 2010 12:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I've never understood uncertainty in Blazer fans.

The team is solid! Don’t sweat it, they will come through!

by jigglyai on Aug 12, 2010 12:23 AM PDT reply actions  

This is my favorite Dave post

in recent memory. I don’t even care if you were drunk when you posted it — still my fave.

"I come to you now, at the turn of the tide." -- Brandon "Gandalf" Roy, April 24th, 2010

by RedUniInLA on Aug 12, 2010 1:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better myself!

which is kind of a bad compliment since you are good at this and I am not. That said I can’t wait to hear all the rationalizations by Espn "experts’ and Barkley and Simmons when this team starts really shredding the rest of the league.
O.R.

by Odenrising on Aug 12, 2010 1:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Excursus

Several times over the last couple of years I’ve almost posted for the first time but always decided to just sit back and enjoy the brilliance of BE as a lurker, but excursus! Dave, you made this former English run to dictionary.com with that one. Oh, the perfection of a well used word, in this case conjuring so many basketball analogies involving “running”. I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to work it into a conversation but that’s OK, the word’s mine now.
Well, back to lurking, but not worrying anymore, thanks to your post. Let’s enjoy the ride.

by thaisteve on Aug 12, 2010 2:22 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Mmmmmmm, that nice warm in-the-belly optimism feeling.

Thanks Dave.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 12, 2010 2:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Good piece Dave i like it...

I completly agree and I think that mine and probably others nervousness doest come from if this team can contend with our current roster(which i think clearly they can) but that on any given play one of our players is gonna break like glass. Last year sure changed everything…..

Welcome back Mr. Williams. Yes.

by RipCityBlaze on Aug 12, 2010 2:30 AM PDT reply actions  

And that the reigning champs don't look like falling apart any time soon, while other young teams also improve and other veteran teams don't roll over either

The open window period certainly doesn’t seem as wide as two years ago

"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban

by Norsktroll on Aug 12, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

LA is still all about Kobe

even if Gasol technically outproduced him last season….and Kobe showed some fraying on the fringe….

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Aug 12, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

We win 55 games

and then 50 without a center for most of the season until Camby came on board, a starting SF for 1/2 the season, Roy and various times and during the playoffs, and Travis, Blake and Rudy for extended time as well. And some start to panic – which is what it is. We have a strong roster, and are stronger than any team in the NBA on the front line. Granted, we need to be healthy – but that’s true of all teams. You don’t go deep in the playoffs with injuries to key starters like Roy, Oden and Pryz – no one does. Some, though, keep looking beyond the obvious. It’s Nates fault, or it’s the point guards fault. And now, for others, Aldridge isn’t tough enough. Bayless will never be very good at one thing or another.

Yet – if we had been reasonably healthy last season, how many wins would we have had? And if we’d been reasonably healthy in the playoffs – with Roy and Camby and either Pryz or Oden healthy – how deep would we have gone? Answer that – and you answer how good this team is – and will be.

by Eben Calder on Aug 12, 2010 5:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Good post

Wrote a lot about how I always felt. Yes, the Miami HEAT are a team to look out for along with the OKC Thunder. But in their eyes, the Blazers are an up and coming team that they’ll have to contend with.

Blazers basketball? Just basketball you say? More like a way of life

by dyshooter182 on Aug 12, 2010 5:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Without the much discussed and hankered after superstar consolidation trade there are a number of things that would have to go right for the Blazers to win a championship

This will likely be an oversimplification, but with current personnel…

- Roy would have to continue to improve and become more like Kobe – A legitimate, title calibre first option on offense and a guy who takes pride in his defense, rather than settling for being Joe Johnson 2.0.
- Oden would have to stay healthy, play big minutes and in my opinion become the best player on this team if we are to win a championship. Not the first option on offense but a legitimate defensive anchor and a consistent, high efficiency, high usage low post threat.
- LaMarcus Aldridge would have to fulfill at least some of his mammoth potential – becoming a better help defender, using his physical tools in the post on both ends and becoming an efficient third option on offense feasting on open looks off Roy’s drives and Oden’s double-team drawing post ups.
- Batum would have to be that Tayshaun Prince like roleplayer; a guy who can fill in the gaps on offense, pick up the best perimeter player on defense and be able to score 30 if we need it while being OK with scoring a lot less most of the time when we don’t.
- Bayless would need to show immense improvement in his PG skills and 3pt shooting while channeling his aggression to becoming a productive defensive player and learning when to attack and when to defer on offense.
- The supporting cast would need to be solid – assuming we don’t make it in Camby or Millers final years players like Wesley Matthews, Armon Johnson, Luke Babbit and Dante Cunningham will need to be reliable players who know their role and are willing to accept it. It would be nice if Joel was still around and productive too.

Of course it would be far simpler to just have a consolidation trade happen, get a guy like CP3 and overwhelm everyone with your talent but the simple fact is that it is overwhelmingly unlikely it will ever happen. Given that, I have to hope that the pieces we have can become the pieces we need. Luckily, I think most of the important ones will. Unfortunately, I don’t think most is enough for a championship.

| MC2PDX | Horf2PDX | Cho4GM | Griff4AGM | JVG4HC | 1/5

by MadBlaze on Aug 12, 2010 5:50 AM PDT reply actions  

None of this is totally unrealistic

Madblaze all of your points are right on. The common theme you mentioned for all is defense.
Pull all these guys into a great defensive team and they will have great success. Still no guarentee of a championship.

by otherdave on Aug 12, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely agree

This all could — I’m not saying it will — happen this season. We need to remember that we’ve never seen this starting lineup. Remember, last season when we had Oden playing well, Nic Batum was out with an injury. Quite a few of those games Steve Blake inexplicably was named the starter over Andre Miller (Nate’s second biggest blunder of the season). When Miller got into the starting lineup and Nic was back, Oden was out.

Patience, my passionate friends. We still need to see what we have.

by hercher on Aug 12, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, the cake is baking...

I like most of your post MB. However, I think there is a little more margin for error than your comment might suggest. We need some of those things to happen, but we don’t need every single one to happen in order for the team to win.

Oden has to stay healthy, and he has to figure out how to stay on the floor for 30 minutes a game. He needs to be enough of a scoring threat to require a lot of defensive attention, he doesn’t actually need to score a ton of points. His mere presence will open up opportunities for other scorers.

Roy has to get better at playing off the ball. He needs to get better from 3 pt range. He needs to get better at dropping the ball to the bigs on the drive.

I don’t think we need a great deal more from LMA. We just need him to be able to figure out how to be effective next to Oden.

We need Batum to show that he can remain uber efficient for an entire season. Keep the 40%+ 3 pt shooting coming. It would be nice to see him become better as a supplemental playmaker, but I don’t think it is absolutely essential.

Bayless would be fine if he played like he did in the Phoenix series. I think we may see “immense improvement,” but I don’t think it is mandatory. 40% 3 pt shooting would be awesome, anything over 35% would probably be good enough. An AST% of 28, would be perfectly fine for a back-up, scoring PG. He will need a bit more if he is going to take over from Dre next year, but there are plenty of back-up PGs who aren’t anywhere near his level of production.

Mathews has to stay hungry and continue to shoot well enough to spread the floor.

The rest of the guys just need to develop as expected.

Regarding consolidation trades. I think we have already had two of them. Trout and Blake became Camby. Martell indirectly turned into Mathews and Babbitt. We are going to need one more quality big man to take Camby’s spot when his contract expires, and we may need another PG to replace Dre depending on how Bayless and AJ develop, but I don’t think we need any “superstars.” We just need our youngsters, Oden, Batum and Bayless, to live up to their potential.

by upper left corner on Aug 12, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think there is much margin for error if we want to beat the Lakers or the Heat in the next 5 years or so

I agree we don’t need any superstars and certainly think it is unlikely we will get one in any case but with this being true we need a lot of internal development to be able to compete with what is already out there.

My last couple of consolidation trades would be to turn Bayless and Rudy into Conley (which I know you’d hate) now and get Al Horford in a sign and trade next offseason for LA + whatever rookie turns out best + draft picks.

| MC2PDX | Horf2PDX | Cho4GM | Griff4AGM | JVG4HC | 1/5

by MadBlaze on Aug 12, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I presume Al Horford signs a contract extension with the Atlanta Hawks this summer, which ...

have the financial wiggle room necessary to do it with Jamal Crawford being on an expiring contract.

by AK1984 on Aug 13, 2010 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your hypothetical consolidation trades leave me scratching my head.

I assume you are proposing to play Horford with Oden? I have a hard time visualizing how that would work. Given that Roy, Dre, and Bayless all do a lot of their scoring through penetration, I don’t want to do anything that is going to clog the middle. In fact, I would love to see LMA work on extending his range by adding the corner three. How do you see this working?

Bayless and Rudy for Conley? My idea of a consolidation trade is to hand somebody two $50 bills and get one $100 bill. Bayless and Rudy for Conley strikes me as the equivalent of handing somebody two $50s and having them hand back what is, at best, one $50 and might turn out to be a $20 bill.

Compared to Bayless, Conley has a lower PER, lower TS, and a lower RB%. His defensive rating isn’t as good. The one area where Conley appears to be clearly better isn’t really all that clear. Conley shot 38% from 3, compared to Bayless’ 31%, but Bayless is improving while Conley’s rate actually dropped. Even when it comes to the distribution stats the difference is pretty marginal. Conley has a slightly higher AST% (22.1 to 24.8), but also has a higher TOV% (13.8 to 15.7).

When you combine the stats with the fact that Conley regressed across the board in his third year, while Bayless improved dramatically in his second, I think you have a pretty weak case, if you are trying to argue that Conley has more talent than Bayless. Basically, I think you are just saying you don’t have faith that Bayless will continue to improve, and that you think Conley would be a better fit. To me it is a lateral move for a player who is likely to have a lower ceiling. Essentially, you are including Rudy as a throw-in and getting nothing for him.

Reducing the team’s overall talent level for a very speculative “improvement in fit” is not something I would do. I certainly wouldn’t do it in the current circumstance where Bayless has been showing rapid improvement. If we get to February, and if Bayless hasn’t shown any improvement as a distributor and as a three point shooter, then maybe this sort of lateral move might make sense. Right now, you are right that I think it is a horrible idea.

by upper left corner on Aug 13, 2010 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your opinion is well established at this point

My love of Conley is probably just as irrational as your faith in Bayless at this point. I’ll just leave it at that. As for Horford, he would fit fine with Greg, he has a better mid range game than LA and is ten times the defender.

If you want our starting PF to stretch out to the three point line and I want a guy who is comfortable 18 feet and in then I think it is pretty clear we have different ideas of what constitutes championship basketball.

by MadBlaze on Aug 16, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

As for the Rudy throw in

Bayless, Rudy for Conley and a 1st is more likely in terms of current value. That way we get something – likely a mid first round pick.

by MadBlaze on Aug 16, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it mainly because Conley has background with Greg at OSU?

Just wondering why you think Conley would be good for our team?

by Chris M 81 on Aug 13, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Consistent 3pt% on good volume

Decent distributor, history with Greg, has the tools to defend quick pg’s, talented guy who I’ve always felt was in the wrong situation in Memphis.

I feel his would blossom here and be a very solid starting PG for us. If we brought in Horford as well, I think we are championship material in terms of talent level, defensive production and offensive fit. Then we just need JVG as coach and we’re set.

by MadBlaze on Aug 16, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post, Dave!

We have a fine team and they’re getting better every year. Can anyone deny that?

Remember when we took making the playoffs for granted and we lost that 22 year streak?

We have tons to be grateful for, my friends!

by Ogre Winfrey on Aug 12, 2010 6:06 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I believe in Dave!

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 12, 2010 6:22 AM PDT reply actions  

All I want is at least one championship in my lifetime and with the team still in Portland. I’m 27 so we still have a while… I hope anyway.

Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons

by doublezeroduck on Aug 12, 2010 6:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Leave it to Dave to swoop in and settle us all down.

Thanks.

"I have contract with Portland.... I have contract with Portland... I have contract with Portland." - Rudy Fernandez

by Kroes32 on Aug 12, 2010 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

If you need this post to soothe your nerves,

check the calendar, go ahead and exercise once in a while, and see your doctor. Tell your doctor about you entire pharmaceutical regimen.
Some patients have reported intimacy issues. If your prostate is bigger than your wide screen, stop reading the sports page, and take up gardening.

See: High Risk Group

by damonrayhymer on Aug 12, 2010 8:03 AM PDT reply actions  

h

Umpqua: "Just follow the dead government proof link to find out."

by 92wastheyear on Aug 12, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Neurotic, Insecure, Self-Loathing Blazer Nerds

you will suck all the joy and fun out of this game, and when you’re not busy computing some worthless stat or being a toxic cancer around everyone I"m sure you’ll find some new reason to hate the Blazers

"We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude." - Rich Cho

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Aug 12, 2010 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Be Worried AND Be Happy....

I’m not saying Dave is wrong. He’s right we could be great.

But the problem with predicting The Blazers future right now? Is it’s impossible to predict. Plus the two extremes of outcome are so diverse.

A healthy Bradon, Aldridge and Batum along with a Healthy Oden and this team IS good and heading like a metorite towards great.

But health and durability have been such elusive commodities with this team and primarily (unfortunately) with Oden and to a lesser degree but of equal importance to Brandon Roy.

Without a healthy Brandon? Without Oden reaching at least 3/4ths of his potential consistently? Then the outlook for this team changes drastically.

Honestly if Brandon breaks down again? Oden is injured? I think we go from expecting a level of Blazer dominating fury, to a reality where we brace ourselves for hard decisions about rebuilding.

I do believe Paul Allens goal is to be as good as possible, and to win a championship. Despite the painful and imo simply horrible handling of the dismissal of Kevin Pritchard, I still like Portlands management.

But I have to be worried and at the same time I’m happy. I think this upcoming season reveals where we are as a team. But my prediction is next year at this time, we are either all very happy, or very worried.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Aug 12, 2010 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Your post makes a pleasant sound, Dave.

But I predict its soothing tones will vanish into the angst of Blazerland like a belch in a breeze.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 12, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Because?

A) Fans are neurotic?
B) The entire team will fall in the shower?
C) David Stern and the refs will never let us win?
D) All the above?
E) Other?

by upper left corner on Aug 12, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

A and C

B will happen, but in a shocking turn of events no one will be injured

fearless controlled aggression

by sammymohawk on Aug 12, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You be right --we be alright.

. I do not fear the hands our Blazers are in from the front office, I don’t fear the players for they all are team players and will play their hardest.(I will hold on Rudy though) I don’t fear the schedule because we have to play all the teams whether in the beginning or in the middle or at the end. Of course if we are in a winning streak we might not want to play the L*kers because they have Steve now. Not only is he good but he knows our players and plays.

So like must of the Blazer fans

Bring on the games and we will take them one at a time and play all of them to win regardless of where and when.

hg

by BBK on Aug 12, 2010 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Chuck Barkley is usually entertaining, but rarely correct

However, he’s right about one thing: Portland has been horrible when it comes to getting easy baskets.

For some reason I’ve seen a lot of 90’s Bulls footage over the past week or so and that team sure got a lot of easy baskets. What made them so dominant wasn’t that they were so offensively brilliant, it was that they were defensively relentless and super efficient about converting turnovers into two or three points.

Brandon Roy doesn’t really run the break. Miller will get the ball down court to Batum and Aldridge, but as a team we don’t run. Oden hasn’t been an effective offensive player in the block. To be fair, he hasn’t had the opportunity to get the kind of experience we all hoped he’d have at this point, having only played one season worth of games in three years. He is foul prone, and even when he’s healthy can’t stay on the court.

What all this adds up to – for me, it’s hard to have high expectations for this team at this time. So perhaps they’ll do “fine”, but I don’t expect them to get to 50 wins this year. Hopefully, they’ll surprise me.

by baduk on Aug 12, 2010 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, Dave.

You’ve provided a voice of reason and perspective in an offseason when it has been hard to maintain confidence in our team and front office.

Big rec and sigh of relief here.

Posterizing Pau since 2008...

by ocho_ocho on Aug 12, 2010 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously...

This is a great article with deep insight. Nice job and I couldn’t agree more.

by BlazerNation on Aug 13, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

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