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Rudy Fernandez for Taj Gibson talks heating up

Per NBA.com:

There are rumors that the Bulls could trade Taj Gibson to the Trail Blazers for Rudy Fernandez.
"From what I've heard it's in Portland's hands now for what they want," writes Sam Smith for Bulls.com. "I've heard the Bulls have a pretty good shot, but nothing matters until it's done." Rudy would be a nice fit in Chicago's second unit, where he could get the larger role he has been pining for. Jul. 31 - 3:07 pm et
Source: NBA.com

Taj Gibson played 82 games his rookie year and started 70 of them, averaging 9.0 ppg, 7.5 rpg, only 1.4 turnovers per game, 1.3 blocks per game, but he is NOT a 3 point shooter. His field goal shooting percentage is 49%.  He shoots a dismal 64% at the free throw line. He is 6'9" and 225. As a forward, I could see him playing a good back up to LaMarcus Aldridge. Gibson was voted to the All-Rookie team. He had 15 rebounds in one game, and a few double doubles. He has had a foot issue.

Career Transactions: Selected in the first round (26th overall) by the Chicago Bulls in NBA Draft 2009 (06/25/09).

College Career: Spent three seasons at Southern California, and averaged 12.4 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.41 bpg, 1.4 apg, and shot .580 from the floor and .629 from the line in 105 games (104 starts) … left USC as the school’s all-time leader in shots blocked with 253, and also ranked third all-time in Pac-10 history … finished second all-time in Trojan history with 896 boards and 16th on the school’s all-time scoring list with 1,307 points … earned All-Conference Second Team honors his junior year, and also was named the Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year that same season … selected All-Conference Third Team and All-Defensive First Team as a sophomore … named to the Pac-10 All-Freshman Team in 2006-07 … helped lead the Trojans to the 2009 NCAA Tournament his junior year when he posted averages of 14.3 ppg, team highs of 9.0 rpg and 2.86 bpg, 1.3 apg and shot a team-best .601 from the field (second best in school history) and .659 from the line … ranked first in the Pac-10 with 100 rejections and was third with 316 rebounds … scored in double figures in 30 of 35 contests and grabbed eight or more boards 22 times … notched 15 double-doubles on the year … set a school record by shooting 10-for-10 from the field en route to 24 points in USC’s NCAA Tournament triumph over Boston College … blocked five shots in a game on five occasions … twice grabbed a career-high 18 rebounds … as a sophomore, he appeared in 33 contests, 32 starts, and averaged 10.8 ppg, team highs of 7.8 rpg and 2.55 bpg, 1.3 apg and shot .580 from the field (third in the Pac-10) and .594 from the line … finished first in the Pac-10 with 83 blocks … scored in double figures in 19 games and grabbed eight or more rebounds 16 times … posted five double-doubles … blocked four or more shots 11 times … was named Pac-10 Player of the Week for March 3-9, when he averaged 20.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg and 4.00 bpg … started all 37 games that he played in his freshman season, and averaged 12.2 ppg, team highs of 8.7 rpg and 1.86 bpg, 1.5 apg and shot .558 from the field and .623 from the stripe … set Trojan freshman records with 321 boards and 69 blocks … scored in double figures in 27 contests and grabbed eight or more boards 27 times … recorded 11 doubledoubles on the year … posted 16 points and 14 boards in his collegiate debut against South Carolina … blocked a career-best seven shots against Oregon, and added 18 points and 13 boards … selected to the Pac-10 Conference All-Tournament Team, when he averaged 12.0 ppg and 9.7 rpg in three games … posted two doubledoubles and averaged 17.0 ppg, 11.3 rpg and 2.67 bpg in USC’s three-game NCAA Tournament run … named to the Pac-10 All-Freshman Team and honorable mention All-Freshman by Collegehoops.net … set the school freshman record with 321 boards his first year on campus, as well as the frosh record for blocks with 69.

SO.. question is, how would this player fit our team? Does this excite you? A poll is attached.

Poll
How do you feel about Taj Gibson for Rudy Fernandez?
Make this happen, Cho!
425 votes
I'm unimpressed, we can get better trade value for Fernandez
121 votes
Anythings better than having a whiney player like Fernandez
95 votes
Keep Rudy and just give him whatever he wants, more minutes, more of a role
29 votes
Slap Rudy and tell him to grow up
135 votes

805 votes | Poll has closed

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1st lol

I wouldnt mind seeing this happen at all. but would taj be ok with coming off the bench for this team playing sf/pf? DO IT CHO AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER!

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by in~ur~fizace on Aug 1, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd rather have a pick

We’ve already got a Taj Gibson on our roster. His name is Dante Cunningham. And I’d rather see Cunningham get those minutes. If there’s a team out their offering a 1st rounder for Rudy (even a very late first rounder), I’d rather take that. It would free up a roster spot, too, which would allow us to keep both Armon and Patty and not have to let one of them go for nothing.

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by Blazer Guy on Aug 1, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

There is absolutely nothing wrong

with bringing this guy in and creating a competition for those bench minutes. What would we do with a late first round pick? Package it in a trade? Meh. Unless Rudy is going to be part of a bigger trade, make this move. Seems like a pretty fair deal.

by oregon_fan on Aug 1, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chicago holds Charlotte's pick

which is unprotected in 2012. That could be pretty valuable, either as a player or in a trade package. Also, 2012 promises to be a deep draft if there is a lockout; if there’s no new CBA, some players may decide to wait a year before staying in the draft.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's a good point

2012 could be a good draft class

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

by trading for a pick instead of a player,

we free up a roster spot, which would allow us to sign both patty mills and armon johnson, if we were so inclined. not saying thats the best option, just that there is greater value to that trade than the pick itself.

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by postup on Aug 1, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gibson is a step up from cunningham

the dude has real nba size for a pf, does all the things that lamarcus refuses to do. The way I see it wes, roy and batum should use all 96 minutes at the 2 and 3, with a little room for bayless and babbitt, so rudy is left out. But gibson would give us an amazing frontcourt. I’m also wary of the chemistry issues that might results from bringing rudy into training camp, don’t wait richy rich

by StocktonNEP on Aug 1, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would have picked the "anything is better than whiney Rudy"

but not ANYTHING is better!!! For instance, the Blazers could end up with a different whiney player!!!
So if you had phrased that one just a little bit differently…
that would have been my choice.
Maybe Cho can make the trade and then trade Gibson for something else down the line?
Or even sooner than down the line?
I’d just like to see someone who is unhappy here go elsewhere.

by Natsthecat on Aug 1, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

That was only his rookie year too.

he can actually block shots as well

WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE

by bowdown on Aug 1, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

okafor for 4 years?

naw dude

WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE

by bowdown on Aug 1, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am down with that myself

just a matter if Allen wants to eat that salary?

I figure we would have to take on Okie to get Collison, but they bite if we clear Posey of the books instead.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27fcx24

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by PDXBuckeye on Aug 1, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO WAY

You give up on ODEN and Mayo is just another SG the will be upset being behind BROY.

by billyjoejack on Aug 1, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind starting O.J. and Brandon

I love Dre, but he can run the backup PG in this scenario. Plus, I’d take Marc Gasol for Greg Oden all day at this point

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree. Vehemetly. On all points.

Brandon played some of his best ball next to a real PG, Miller. Why? Because Brandon’s natural position is the 2. It is where he plays best and most effectively.

I do not think Gasol compliments Aldridge as well as Oden or even Camby.

by Sir.Ludo on Aug 1, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? Vehemetly huh?

Well, I didn’t really make any points, so I’m not really sure what you’re referring to. Just said that I wouldn’t mind starting Mayo and Brandon, and I’d take Gasol over Oden at this point, but feel free to disagree. It’s never popular talking about trading Oden so I don’t expect many people to agree with me. However Gasol is a very good, young center and you can count on him to be out on the floor for the most part.

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you wanna keep Oden

How bout dis one then? We’d probably have to give up something else in addition like euros or future pick

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ahyp9a

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd do that but I doubt the 76ers would

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 1, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd probably do that if I wasnt a Oden fan.

I likes him. Its a pretty reasonable trade for Portland IMO…

by RudiFTW on Aug 1, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great trade!

Mayo is trying to become a PG, and MGasol would be an upgrade over oden. I love Oden people, and this could bite us in the butt, but come on. Gasol is a “right now” guy, oden is too big…too thick for the height. He will be injury plauged forever and we all closed our eyes and smiled, “we’ll stick by you greg, we’ll just wait.” DUDE, why are we waiting?!?! it all hinges on Greg. So lets make it happen now!

by Gpop171 on Aug 1, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

I am pretty sure that your quote has nothing to do with Gibson. From everything I have heard Gibson is not being involved in talks. If you actually read your source, smith turns down almost every notion of Gibson coming to Portland because THE BULLS NEED HIM. Boozer has injury problems and they need a back-up for him. Gibson for Rudy is overpaying on the Bulls part.

The only player that I can tell was probably offered was Johnson, and I believe the Blazers shot that down pretty fast.

by Sir.Ludo on Aug 1, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Sam Smith has a history of being full of crap.

He has no clue what is going on. He’s the Bull’s version of Dwight Jaynes, only without the inside connections.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Camby

Has played mostly Center duing his career, He has even started at center most of his career. And I agree he should be first one off the bench either at center or power forward depending on the match up and/or foul trouble. But I wouldn’t mind Carl Landry comming off the bench with Camby either.

by billyjoejack on Aug 1, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's played plenty of PF though

I mean obviously he can defend PFs, and since he has some range on his shot and plays high-post anyway, he’s flexible.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 1, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've got a grip

Just not a big fan of giving up Miller for a PG with the same shooting deficiencies, and giving up Joel for Kris Humphries, well, I’ll leave that one alone.

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

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by jamon51 on Aug 1, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is so terrible about it?

Personally I like Miller better than Harris. But Harris does bring some better things to the table, namely shooting and age. It would be far from a bad move.

by Sir.Ludo on Aug 1, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Only thing Harris brings to the table over Miller is age. Neither is a great shooter. Even if Harris is a slightly better shooter, it isn’t enough to justify the drop off from Joel to Kris Humphries.

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mar, you do need to get a grip

Skillsets aside, you make that trade based on one simple fact. Miller and Pryz are both at or near the end of their careers.

by TrailBlazer4Life on Aug 1, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Way

I’m not down with trading a much a better PG and a much much much better center, just to get younger. Especially being on the cusp of entering championship contention.

Miller>Harris

Pryz>>>>>Humphries

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus where is there any proof that either Andre or Joel are at the end of their careers

Andre is warrior. He never misses work, and turn in a pretty solid year last year. If he had been accepted and allowed to do his thing from the very beginning his numbers probably would have been even better than they were. Joel played great last year too prior to his injury, not to mention he’s only 30. I’d never count him out. I’m not opposed to trading either Joel or Andre but I think we can do better than that

by King Mar on Aug 1, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. Enthusiastically. On all points.

I would not do that trade either. I was only commenting that this isn’t a “terrible” move and wouldn’t affect my ability to root for this team.

by Sir.Ludo on Aug 1, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the economic age of the NBA...

I don’t think your argument holds true. Barring something drastic in the new CBA Miller and Pryz’s expiring contracts are as valuable as their “skillsets”.

Although not as adamant as King Mar I don’t like the trade either. Harris is somewhat overrated in my book. He has played the last 3 years for a pretty weak team so I don’t really trust his numbers and he hasn’t exactly elevated the level of his teams play.

Miller and Pryz > Harris and Humphries…

by Ilikeemall on Aug 1, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barring something drastic in the new CBA Miller and Pryz’s expiring contracts are as valuable as their "skillsets"

That’s a huge stretch. T-Mac’s EC last season, and the RLEC were some of the few scenarios that fit your description. While Miller and Pryz have additional value, in an economic sense, because of their expiring deals, they are still valuable players. For the Blazers, at least, their value as trade or financial assets do not outweigh their talents.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Aug 1, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it's such a huge stretch...

Why were those names mentioned in virtually every CP3 fantasy that rolled through here like the tide for 2 weeks?

Don’t get me wrong… The main reason I do not like the trade I was addressing is because I think Miller and Joel are superior talents to Harris and Humphries. I was simply responding to…

Skillsets aside, you make that trade based on one simple fact. Miller and Pryz are both at or near the end of their careers.

…from trailblazer4life above. If you combine the talent of the players
with their contract situation I disagree that you make the trade simply because of where the players are in the timeline of their careers. The fact that they are expiring offsets the age issue… IMO

by Ilikeemall on Aug 1, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if you could get a better deal?

You guys make it sound like this is the ONLY thing the Blazers could turn both of those expiring contracts into. Besides, anyone in here who thinks they REALLY know how to make actual NBA trades needs to get a grip, or keep an open mind and realize this is all in good fun.

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by bforsythe on Aug 1, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

VERY TURE

I am doing it for fun. its fun to see what kind of deal you can come up with that works. And if it does it DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL HAPPEN. ITS ALL FOR FUN.

by billyjoejack on Aug 1, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, Cho isn't reading this for ideas?

I thought I was part of a larger think-tank for the Blazer brass…

by Sir.Ludo on Aug 1, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha! I guess you never know...

…but I’m willing to go out on a limb here and say they do not. ;)

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by bforsythe on Aug 1, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not the best fit, but I like it

Rudy’s been good about it so far, but it won’t have a good effect on team chemistry to keep him around another year. Gibson is a solid player and nearly fair value for Fernandez.

It’s not really what we need though. As others have noted, we’ve got DC and Camby at backup PF. Gibson would provide a different look, as a rebounding defensive guy who plays down low on offense (essentially replacing Jeff P entirely), but there isn’t a clear spot for him in the rotation. I’d do the trade anyway though, because as we know too well it’s important to have quality big man depth…

by sanjait on Aug 1, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

What's not being considered

Paul Allen would throw cash into a deal to get it done. With the Bulls in the Luxury Tax they will appreciate the help. Paul Allen is a great owner. He’d be a great backup to LaMarcus. Camby can backup both positions and allow Przy to come back slow.

by ORDucktape on Aug 1, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I think...

Paul Allen would be a great back-up for LaMarcus as well!! He has enough money to buy his way on the court, right?

by BlazerPhan on Aug 1, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting although might be a hard sell to both NJ and Indy. They'd have to be looking to move these guys.

The thing I find funny is it makes NJ 6 games worse. How many wins did NJ have last year? 12? Hard to make a trade that looks remotely reasonable and takes away half of a teams wins.

by 52therim on Aug 1, 2010 3:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Those win/loss projections are pointless...

Everybody loses? I highly doubt that. The most ridiculous part is Indiana loses the LEAST giving up (imo) the best player in the whole deal. C’mon!

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by bforsythe on Aug 1, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially the Nets

Did they even win 6 games last year?

by dbomb on Aug 1, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

do it.

You can never have enough post players.

by Biph on Aug 1, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

get it done Cho

Beg and plead for the first.. we give them a 2nd for a 1st if we can get that it’s a steal but straight up for taj works to I still think DC is one year away from the backup and Taj can be that for us this year then hes a nice piece next summer to go along with Dre’s EC(if he’s not moved before then)

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by RyanRTE on Aug 1, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I admit I'm ignorant re/ Gibson

Reading your description, I was pretty enthused until I got to the 64% free-throw shooting part. That’s almost a deal killer for me.

You need bruisers-off-the-bench (“Maxsaps”) in the playoffs. Can’t have too many of them, in my opinion. I’ve always preached this. But if they lay bricks at the line in critical situations, that’s a big ouch.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Aug 1, 2010 7:26 PM PDT reply actions  

64% is fine

it’s when they struggle to hit 50% that it’s a problem, Tim Duncan is 60% FT shooter and SA has done OK with him.

by Biph on Aug 1, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was it Dwight Howard that some team kept intentionally fouling as he was SOOOO bad at the line?

It was this past season and it was a playoff game, toward the end of the game of course…I think it was.
Rondo is horrible at the line. But it wasn’t him. Too hard to intentionally foul him.

by Natsthecat on Aug 2, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

How bad is Taj Gibson's foot problem?

He started 70 NBA games last season, so obviously he has durability. But injury bugs scare me as a Blazer fan.

The Bulls were a decent team. I think him starting on that squad means that Gibson > Cunningham. Foot issues being minimal, I do this.

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by LaoTzu on Aug 1, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Such a bad trade. Rudy made some real key 3's in some big games, and I just wonder what kind of plays

we will be missing with his replacement player. I wish the Blazers would go after someone like Carl Landry. Package Cunningham and Pendergraph. See if they’d be interested.

by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 1, 2010 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Since we don’t need 8 guards, Rudy and Mills are likely to be gone. After all, with Roy,Miller, Matthews and Bayless playing most of the minutes, and Williams and Johnson on the 3rd team, we have a full complement. Rudy and Mills each have some skills, but keeping them around and not playing them is a waste of their talent and our time. Picking up a PF who can back Aldridge doesn’t sound bad to me, although I keep wondering who will be playing most of the SF minutes behind Batum. In any case, whether we get a player who is young and was a 1st round pick, or a first round pick, both can have some trade value. I know we like Cunningham, but Gibson does seem to give us better size and may also be more effective defensively backing Aldridge. So far, Aldridge has been pretty durable. But you never know, and this doesn’t sound bad to me. Until Pryz is back, after all, we’re really left with Oden/Camby and Aldridge/Cunningham – and having a 5th option could help.

As far as other trades, I doubt will see much more this year unless we can get a long term answer at PG, and I haven’t seen anything yet that would suggest that players like Parker, Paul or Harris are going to move. San Antonio and NO should be looking at Parker and Paul given both are likely to leave when their contracts expire, but we see over and over again how teams (Boozer, Bosh, James, Lee) seem to let them walk rather than trade them prior to the end of their contracts.

by Eben Calder on Aug 2, 2010 5:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Did you steal this idea for a post from Ben's front page post?

You should give Ben some respect and honour him for giving you this idea.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Aug 2, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree Morty.

Stealing is WRONG.

L-TrainFTW!

by Lexi Sparx on Aug 2, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about you know your FACTS

Gee.. I posted this post Sunday morning.. he posted his front page report MONDAY 12 pm? Insert foot in mouth.

by jeckyll2hyde on Aug 2, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not what I heard

Under the Standardized Internet Code of Vienna, you’ve stolen Ben’s intellectual property and could actually be sued for slander AND libel.

I’m not even going that far— I just think you should give credit for the idea of posting this fanshot, to Ben, since he did it first.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Aug 3, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy's value is more in a package.

We can get way more for Rudy if we include him in a package for something better. Chris Paul, cough cough..

by Justjoshin on Aug 2, 2010 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Kurt Thomas

sorry for the duplicate post. See the front page thread on this.

by panfolk on Aug 3, 2010 5:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Bulls won't trade Taj

Hey all Bulls fan here, I have no hate at all for the Blazers. But I highly doubt the Bulls would trade Taj given their lack of depth at the PF position. Not to mention I think the Bulls and fans alike value Taj more than most do. What would you guys think of Johnson and our 1st round pick next year for Rudy? Or maybe just the first round pick if you don’t want JJ I think we have a trade exemption and can take him on without matching salary. Not sure how much more you guys will be able to get for Rudy. I think he is definitely talented but his time on the floor has been limited so his value is limited to this point as well. The reason the Bulls are interested is Rudy’s ability to hit the three (we have very few that can hit it consistently) and we could use a SG that can create his own shot. We would prefer to have Korver back up Deng at SF. I can’t see why you guys would hold on to Rudy seeing how you have Roy, Mathews, and Bayless. That is a lot of talent at the 2 guard position!

by Savage2323 on Aug 3, 2010 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

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