How is Jay Jensen still the Trainer?

Ask Steve Nash’s back. He is starting to act like Larry Bird on the sidelines. Laying down and streching his back. He has had back issues for years. Robin Lopez had back issues as well. Hey maybe the trainers in Phoenix do not know how back muscles work?

If our trainers are that bad or to blame then they should have been able to break Miller. That guy has ankles made of rubber. Anatomy and horrible luck. Stop trying to find someone to blame and just accept the unknown.

I am sure some hunk of a “I’m a trainer or doctor” will be jumping on in a second to pump you up though.

very expensive cars. you get a mechanic to restore a 67 mustang or whatever to racing condition and to maintain it that way and he does a wonderful job. then you get in an accident (that wasn’t your fault, of course)…and the first thing you do is fire/sue/blame the mechanic?

Players stretch out, some more than others. A necessity for life if you get injured good enough. Prime example, I sustained 4 bulging discs in my neck in a snowboarding accident. I have NEVER been the same, but I still stretch when stiff, it helps. I still live full strength, but am more prone to feeling the aging decline, than someone who never has sustained such an injury. Once something is broke, it’s like gluing back together a broken vase, the scars tissue are still there.

So Nash needs to stretch out more than normal. He STILL plays like a stud at his age. Grant Hill known for his injuries, has been playiing pretty good for his age the past two years. Stoudemaire just got $20 mil a year, regardless of the injuries, because he has played like a recovered Stud should.

This isn’t silly. Freak accident or not.

I’m sick of what MY City has had to endure since 1984. Born and bred here, 42 years. Like the Babe Ruth curse Boston endured for years, I want the Bowie curse over. Not an O Done reminder. Tired of the excuses given. These are the BEST of our nation? In all aspects?

You can suck it up already that we passed up Jordan AGAIN, but I refuse. Season ticket holder or not.

And respected as a good person or not, it’s not personal, it’s about business. Right?

of Jay Jensen not properly conditioning players, not treating injuries correctly or displaying any kind of negligence/incompetence.

As far as I know Jensen’s performed his duties well and the injuries aren’t his fault.

Examples? I just provided such. Compare our last year to histories past with any team. C’mon. Injuries happen, yes, but to this magnitude? Maybe some players were brought back too early? All I know is I look at Phoenix. Yeah, I got on horse blinders.

Nuff said

But what about the Injury Vampire?

He did it in Seattle, and he got kicked out. He does it down here, and we suffer endless rashes of injuries. Heck, he even blew out his own achilles.

Some of the injuries have been simple bad luck, but we do play worn out too much.

SIGN THIS GUY NOW!!!!!!

If greg is wearing a knee brace the night he tore his patella, he would have sprained it instead of tearing it.

Anybody that can get Grant Hill’s body to perform is a trainer shaman in my eyes. Here’s an excerpt from an article from Paul Coro at the Arizona Republic.

“Pioneers in treatment
The Phoenix staff works to avoid player injuries by correcting body imbalances with flexibility exercises and corrective therapy. That process – like the Suns’ partnership with the Mesa-based National Academy of Sports Medicine – is nothing new. The Suns started it seven years ago. Three years later, they had cut injury treatments 62 percent.”

It’s the active preventative work their staff does and alternative stretch/corrective therapies they use that make a huge difference. I’ve had three knee surgeries (ACL and menisectomies) and my third stint in phys. rehab, they used a different corrective therapy. Essentially having me stretch and look at how my body/hips/joints/posture/footprint were aligned and decided from that baseline, what areas needed correction (strengthening). This was key in correcting the source of the problem, and thus preventing further injury.

Also, mind you, I had my first two surgeries at Rebound where the Blazers’ surgeons are, great surgeon, but maybe in need of a makeover in the rehab dept? I went to Kaiser Permanente for the last one and that’s where I actually got the corrective treatment. Who would have thought? I always tried to stay away from Kaiser too.

For the full article, the link is here: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0929suns-train0930.html

The guys running this team are a bunch of idiots. They do NOTHING THAT MAKES SENSE ANYMORE folks.

The case for a training staff versed in postural alignment therapy (like Egoscue, Phoenix Suns traning staff) have been on this board many, many times. The organization still reports nothing that would make me think they have a clue.

Oden, Pryzbilla, Camby, Aldridge…..all you need to do is keep them healthy. The therapy mentioned would probably have them playing better than they ever have in the past. Instead you got the same old guy with the worst injury stats in the league doing the same old tricks. They’ll probably end up trading one of their big guys—- “why would they do this? Don’t they need to keep one to stay on course with the Lakers length?” you ask. Hell yes, but instead they’ll probably trade one away while the guy (Geffen) who has 14 years exposure to the Suns organization tweets he still has not been contacted by the Blazer.

Instead, you go to the media and report one by one who you are offering the job to so that they can turn you down publicly in the media a la Hedo. Oh did I mention this is one of the few teams in the league without a GM in the middle of one of the biggest FA years in recent history?

Danny Ferry? What the hell has he done? Couldn’t build a championship around the worlds best player.

MORONS. Lord help us all.

HOWEVER, I do find it remarkable that Jensen and Medina still have their jobs. As I’ve pointed out before at this site, when an NBA team chronically underachieves, the coach is almost reflexively fired. And there’s some logic to that: you can’t get rid of all the players due to contract issues, but the coach is easily replaceable. And he might indeed be the problem. So why NOT replace him, assuming there are qualified coaches available?

Yet apparently a team can suffer injury-plagued season after injury-plagued season, and training & conditioning staff members can’t be fired because there’s no conclusive evidence that their performance is responsible. Very strange.

Overshadows the fact that they missed the playoffs entirely when Amare went down with an eye injury. Their training staff wasn’t going to help.

Basketball is a contact sport with a lot of running and jumping. Injuries happen! Trading the Blazers training staff is not going to give us any better luck than it did Bill Walton.

Back when GO’s initial knee injury was diagnosed, I was dismayed to hear that Dr. Roberts’ guru—the guy he consulted with before going ahead with the microfracture procedure—was Dr. Richard Steadman. Steadman is something of a legend in sports medicine circles, and I believe it was he who developed the microfracture procedure. But back in ‘83, when I had my knee reconstructed, I learned that Steadman was far from universally respected. The guys who rehabbed my knee—who worked with the Bay Area pro franchises—felt Steadman was a publicity-hound whose actual surgical work was very shoddy. In fact, while I was at the rehab clinic, one of Steadman’s surgical patients—a pro tennis player—was dealing with the consequences of a botched Steadman procedure.

I’m actually a little sympathetic to the Blazers’ brass in all this. Who do you believe when it comes to medical issues? There are a million hacks and quacks out there—some of them with sterling reputations in some circles. Even among informed people, there are a million opinions about sports injuries and training/conditioning methods, so how do you determine who to listen to? I wouldn’t have liked to be Paul Allen & KP back then, trying to decide what to do about GO’s knee.

My only point re/ the Blazers’ medical/training/conditioning staff is this: if it ain’t working, try something different. It isn’t like bringing in a new crew could create a worse result than we’ve seen recently. Teams swap out coaching staffs like underwear. What’s so sacred about medical/training staffs?

Maybe it’s the fact that the latter discipline IS so arcane to us lay folks. We might be able to venture a guess that a coach is incompetent based on the plays he calls, his substitution patterns, or the mood in the locker room. But injury problems are a lot tougher for non-experts to form opinions about.

I think grant hill’s early game was kind of like Roy’s, and it was demanding, the suns found a way to keep him healthy, and Roy, who is younger, could probably have fewer day to day pains if we had a better trainer. theres also a good possibility none of us, besides doctors, know that we’re talking about.

Sure, it makes more “sense” to say injuries are just part of existence and often unpredictable or unpreventable especially when dealing with a game like basketball. Pryzbilla re-injured himself while taking a shower, I’m personally glad to hear Jay Jensen was nowhere around at the time.

But while I think it sounds more reasonable to not question Jay Jensen and defend our staff by pointing out the randomness and unpredictabilty of injury, given the nightmarish level of injury that seems to plague The Blazer franchise I do have to ask at what point would some of you at least question our staff?

Evidently The Blazers evaluate everyone at seasons end or at least that was what we were told by Larry Miller. So if performance and results are the yardstick of evaluation and a healthy roster is the supportive goal of a trainer then how do you look at last season and NOT at least question Jay Jensens results?

I think there are tools, methods and philosophy that can be applied to prevent a percentage of injury….and maybe, just maybe Jay Jensen isn’t getting that done or across to the players.

I don’t necessarily think having Phoenixs training staff would of made a difference. But I do think given the amount of misery and gauze that seem intertwined with The Blazers franchise, that at least evaluating and questioning if the best methods are being applied IS valid.

Book it.